Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Captain Fun]

For Terry, nobody really knew until Nintendo themselves leaked him, and none of the insiders have considered Doomguy before.
They might not have any sources within this third group.

There were people that knew Terry was in the game. Hell, one claimed to have heard Terry’s remixes before he was even revealed.

Basically, the info IS out there.

 

[AdamBel731]

https://youtu.be/DiBQ_udOO24

In case anyone is interested in GameXplain's predictions. I know some people don't really like them or don't really care, but I just wanted to post this for the people interested.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

So today was an absolute massacre and we're back wondering who fighter 5 could be

I realize its hypocritical of me to use relevancy as an argument when I'm rooting for Geno and pushed for Banjo and Sakurai JUST made a point to say relevancy doesn't matter... but I just don't see Reimu at all when she's mostly region locked in terms of recognizability. I mean, Sakurai admitted that he wouldn't have added Lucas if he had known Mother 3 wasn't getting localized

So its up in the air now. I personally see Lloyd, Sora, a Capcom rep (Like Dante or RE), or maybe even Lara Croft as a surprise

 

[PatPrime]

If what Fatmanonice said about post-pass character being more "fan servicey" is true, then Geno still has a very good shot at making it in. But would Doom Slayer fit that mold as well? Sure, he only got many requests after Doom 2016 was on Switch, but if Nintendo and Sakurai saw those requests before deciding on post-pass characters, then I think Doom Slayer can be a fan favorite choice.

 

[MissingGlitch]

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If what Fatmanonice said about post-pass character being more "fan servicey" is true, then Geno still has a very good shot at making it in. But would Doom Slayer fit that mold as well? Sure, he only got many requests after Doom 2016 was on Switch, but if Nintendo and Sakurai saw those requests before deciding on post-pass characters, then I think Doom Slayer can be a fan favorite choice.

I think Doomguy Is like Joker in a sense where no one really talked about how they wanted him till he was already added or there was a good chance of it happening. Like I think the joker thread only had 5 pages here when he was added.

 

[Plank08]

I’m 50/50 on the leak, idk something about it just seems so real to me, but I’m not relying on it anymore and Doomslayer and Geno will come another time

 

[PatPrime]

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I think Doomguy Is like Joker in a sense where no one really talked about how they wanted him till he was already added or there was a good chance of it happening. Like I think the joker thread only had 5 pages here when he was added.

It would be really fitting then if he was revealed at VGA. But that is pretty much not going to happen now. Still, I believe Bethesda related stuff will come at some point if those talks with Nintendo mean anything.

 

[TooManyToastahs]

I know I know. You're right, I just feel constantly left out that I don't like most RPGs and Sakurai tends to want to add characters from RPGs.


Also a lot of you are sleeping on the true namco pick.
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Why of course I remember the one true Namco rep!

 

[Droodle]

I still seriously don't get why people think Lloyd would be playable instead of Yuri.

Apart from the Western Smash fanbase, Lloyd really isn't all that popular. I know he got a costume in Smash Wii U, but it was just a costume. His only guest appearance other than that is Soulcalibur Legends.

Yuri is the most popular Tales character and is the face of Tales, especially in Japan. He appears in all the crossovers instead of Lloyd. Vesperia is actually on the Switch unlike Symphonia. Yuri is like the Cloud of Tales, while Lloyd is the Bartz of Tales in terms of popularity.

The only reason Lloyd would get in over Yuri would be if Sakurai wanted to cater specifically to the Smash fanbase in the West. Tales would be better represented by Yuri instead of Lloyd in any other way.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

It's 100% going to be Springtrap from Five Nights at Freddy's. Here's why I say that:
•Indie rep
•Iconic to the horror game genre
•First three games are coming to the Switch unannounced in November
•Great moveset options
•Curveball surprise for the DLC lineup

It's perfect!

 

[PatPrime]

Since we know Nintendo made a list of fighters and Sakurai chose the fighters for this pass, with the exception of Banjo and Kazooie, it seems like this pass's characters were Sakurai picks in both what he personally likes and that he literally chose them.

 

[Deleted member]

What a pleasant thing to wake up to, Sabi finally admitting that the source who knows #5 basically only knows the Mii costumes have nothing to do with them. Fake or not, that's the useful information that we wanted to hear. When you spend a week leading everyone to the conclusion that Mii costumes aren't the kind of thing people tend to find out or know about, what the uneducated public wants to know at that point is "are they relevant", and we finally got the answer.

And "dreading" to make a Twitter post? I'm really really starting to see why a lot of people in this thread are starting to call Sabi out for attention seeking. I've never dreaded any form of digital communication, no matter how unpopular what I'm about to say might be, except for maybe some professional emails sent to important people within my organization that I've got to fill with bad news. If I'm tweeting to the unwashed masses, or posting something here or anywhere else, I'm gonna let my feelings out whether or not someone likes it or if the mods come and warn me. There's no dread.

That's some serious over-dramatization that I honestly think we need none of. Sabi might never see what I have to say, or care if he does see it, but imagine a scenario in which when you don't have all the information or aren't allowed to say all the information, you just stay quiet. Unless you're out here getting paid by the Tweet there's no reason to post fluff. "I'm gathering information" is so much more useful than "my source 99% thinks the leak is fake and because I have a hard time counting I think 99% is 100% lol", and then coming into this thread and dropping some self important line like "it surprises me people still don't believe me" really speaks to an ego that gets in the way of providing facts.

 

[Vector Victor]

So this whole debacle really was just a complete repeat of last November. That's the frustrating part.

-Big attention getting leak comes out late October that splits the fanbase over if it's real or not due to how hard it is to apparently pull off.
-Smash showcase announced that is exceptionally long, making people think there's more to it or something else is coming
-Insiders leak characters before event so fanbase already know who is being shown
-Event deals with a blonde hair hot blooded fighter from a big fighting series
-Gameexplain makes a passive reference to leak, casually dismissing it outright
-Big leak, which was thought to be real as it had a one in a million chance for everything to come together in order to trick people, ends up being fake, literally being called Grinch 2.0
-Fanbase start to turn and fight insiders after leak that initially had so much going for it and survived the scrutiny at first suddenly turned out fake
-Long Smash presentation turned out to have something already known take up the bulk of the time
-Characters who seemed to have great chances now have people doubting if they could still make it
-People started being hopeful pre-presentation, now knocked down with pessimism post presentation
-People hoping the VGAs will have a great surprise

Seriously, the only difference was that 2018 had Plant, which was a (subjective) disappointment, and that Nintendo specifically warned that 2019's presentation would not have other characters (so people started to think the long runtime was for other big news, which it wasn't).

November 2018 Smash news was bad enough, why did we have to repeat it literally a year later? And if Fighter Pass 2 is planned as long as 1, will we doing this same crap for November 2020 while still waiting for Geno?

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I know I know. You're right, I just feel constantly left out that I don't like most RPGs and Sakurai tends to want to add characters from RPGs.

I mean, people have made compelling cases for why RPG characters make sense before. They're characters you'll spend potentially 100s of hours with and grow stronger affections for due to that experience. I mean, look at how many RPG characters are still constantly at the top of fan polls like Geno, Isaac, Rex/Pyra, Sora, even Lloyd and KOS-MOS at times. People develop genuine bonds with these characters and I think that makes them pretty consistently likable for a great number of people. And, after all, we're in a Geno thread so arguing against RPG characters just seems a little weird.

Ok see that's great however this is a Nintendo crossover first and foremost and while yes the entire roster is predominantly Nintendo the DLC is not. So while yes I'll count Banjo as Nintendo that's still a 1:3 split and very likely to be 4. Throw in first parties.

We're under no obligation to including first parties in an "even" split and I still argue that Smash has done more than enough for first parties over the course of 20 years that there's no need to "make up for the lack of first parties in DLC." And again, the Nintendo crossover first has ever increasingly become less and less true and is more a remnant of what Smash used to be defined as, as opposed to what it is nowadays. It just always feels like such at strange resistance to third parties at this point. And again, if this is the only opportunity to get an absolute ton of third parties and big icons in the same game, first parties are just going to never not seem like a waste of that potential to me personally. It's like going to a brand new country and still just going to a local chain back home. Sure, you may like the food, but it's missing the opportunity to make the most of your situation.

So this whole debacle really was just a complete repeat of last November. That's the frustrating part.

-Big attention getting leak comes out late October that splits the fanbase over if it's real or not due to how hard it is to apparently pull off.
-Smash showcase announced that is exceptionally long, making people think there's more to it or something else is coming
-Insiders leak characters before event so fanbase already know who is being shown
-Event deals with a blonde hair hot blooded fighter from a big fighting series
-Gameexplain makes a passive reference to leak, casually dismissing it outright
-Big leak, which was thought to be real as it had a one in a million chance for everything to come together in order to trick people, ends up being fake, literally being called Grinch 2.0
-Fanbase start to turn and fight insiders after leak that initially had so much going for it and survived the scrutiny at first suddenly turned out fake
-Long Smash presentation turned out to have something already known take up the bulk of the time
-Characters who seemed to have great chances now have people doubting if they could still make it
-People started being hopeful pre-presentation, now knocked down with pessimism post presentation
-People hoping the VGAs will have a great surprise

Seriously, the only difference was that 2018 had Plant, which was a (subjective) disappointment, and that Nintendo specifically warned that 2019's presentation would not have other characters (so people started to think the long runtime was for other big news, which it wasn't).

November 2018 Smash news was bad enough, why did we have to repeat it literally a year later? And if Fighter Pass 2 is planned as long as 1, will we doing this same crap for November 2020 while still waiting for Geno?

It really wasn't much of a repeat of last year. Grinch consumed an entire community, the Mii costume leak made a few waves and subsided for basically every other community than this one within a day, two tops. There's also just way too many unique circumstances to last year to compare to this one anyway. And again, specifically the Terry presentation busts this comparison up because Nintendo and Sakurai in no uncertain terms told people, "DO NOT EXPECT AN UNANNOUNCED FIGHTER."

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Random question just to pass the time: how many characters can you name that you would like to see in Smash Ultimate, regardless of any chances they might have?

Let's see...Geno, Doomguy, Ryu Hayabusa, Bill Rizer, Amaterasu, Crash Bandicoot, Isaac, Rayman, Waluigi, Tails, Mega Man X, Juno, Strider Hiryu, Marina Liteyears, Bomberman, Lloyd Irving, Proto Man, Shadow The Hedgehog, Bass, Spyro The Dragon, Mach Rider, Dr. Robotnik, Skull Kid...I think that's as much as I can come up with. Obviously Geno is my #1 pick with Doomguy closely following behind - I need that dream team between them to happen like ASAP.

Geno, Rayman, Dixie Kong, Impa, Sora, Lara Croft, Lloyd Irving, Waluigi, Isaac, Krystal, Shadow, Lyn, Rex & Pyra/Mythra, Chun-Li, Phoenix Wright, Morrigan, Jill Valentine, Shantae, Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, Elma, KOS-MOS, Yuri Lowell, Ashley, Hilda, Ms. Pacman, and Octoling.

 

[Herocin]

I still seriously don't get why people think Lloyd would be playable instead of Yuri.

Apart from the Western Smash fanbase, Lloyd really isn't all that popular. I know he got a costume in Smash Wii U, but it was just a costume. His only guest appearance other than that is Soulcalibur Legends.

Yuri is the most popular Tales character and is the face of Tales, especially in Japan. He appears in all the crossovers instead of Lloyd. Vesperia is actually on the Switch unlike Symphonia. Yuri is like the Cloud of Tales, while Lloyd is the Bartz of Tales in terms of popularity.

The only reason Lloyd would get in over Yuri would be if Sakurai wanted to cater specifically to the Smash fanbase in the West. Tales would be better represented by Yuri instead of Lloyd in any other way.

Sakurai said that picking a tales of Character for smash would be Lloyd. That's why we got a Lloyd outfit and not a Yuri one so that's why

 

[Herocin]

So this whole debacle really was just a complete repeat of last November. That's the frustrating part.

-Big attention getting leak comes out late October that splits the fanbase over if it's real or not due to how hard it is to apparently pull off.
-Smash showcase announced that is exceptionally long, making people think there's more to it or something else is coming
-Insiders leak characters before event so fanbase already know who is being shown
-Event deals with a blonde hair hot blooded fighter from a big fighting series
-Gameexplain makes a passive reference to leak, casually dismissing it outright
-Big leak, which was thought to be real as it had a one in a million chance for everything to come together in order to trick people, ends up being fake, literally being called Grinch 2.0
-Fanbase start to turn and fight insiders after leak that initially had so much going for it and survived the scrutiny at first suddenly turned out fake
-Long Smash presentation turned out to have something already known take up the bulk of the time
-Characters who seemed to have great chances now have people doubting if they could still make it
-People started being hopeful pre-presentation, now knocked down with pessimism post presentation
-People hoping the VGAs will have a great surprise

Seriously, the only difference was that 2018 had Plant, which was a (subjective) disappointment, and that Nintendo specifically warned that 2019's presentation would not have other characters (so people started to think the long runtime was for other big news, which it wasn't).

November 2018 Smash news was bad enough, why did we have to repeat it literally a year later? And if Fighter Pass 2 is planned as long as 1, will we doing this same crap for November 2020 while still waiting for Geno?

But nothing has debunked the leak yet? If you mean the Sabi Business she knows the leak isn't for fighter 5

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Everybody forgets Piranha Plant is technically our only first party DLC, so why is everybody complaining that we don't have any?

 

[ctt4lfecw]

Ok so this is where I go away for awhile. I’m taking a break from speculation. Until Sakurai gives me my guy I’m not speculating anymore. Unless he puts out a list of who’s gonna be the dlc beforehand, I’m not being strung along anymore. I’ll find out about Fighter 5 and all the rest of the dlc through YouTube in my subscriptions.
He knows how long and how bad we want Geno, which is why I’m not into these surprise reveals because the game is out for a year now, and they should just let us know if he’s coming or not in a list of DLC. Time is too precious.

 

[Deleted member]

So this whole debacle really was just a complete repeat of last November. That's the frustrating part.

-Big attention getting leak comes out late October that splits the fanbase over if it's real or not due to how hard it is to apparently pull off.
-Smash showcase announced that is exceptionally long, making people think there's more to it or something else is coming
-Insiders leak characters before event so fanbase already know who is being shown
-Event deals with a blonde hair hot blooded fighter from a big fighting series
-Gameexplain makes a passive reference to leak, casually dismissing it outright
-Big leak, which was thought to be real as it had a one in a million chance for everything to come together in order to trick people, ends up being fake, literally being called Grinch 2.0
-Fanbase start to turn and fight insiders after leak that initially had so much going for it and survived the scrutiny at first suddenly turned out fake
-Long Smash presentation turned out to have something already known take up the bulk of the time
-Characters who seemed to have great chances now have people doubting if they could still make it
-People started being hopeful pre-presentation, now knocked down with pessimism post presentation
-People hoping the VGAs will have a great surprise

Seriously, the only difference was that 2018 had Plant, which was a (subjective) disappointment, and that Nintendo specifically warned that 2019's presentation would not have other characters (so people started to think the long runtime was for other big news, which it wasn't).

November 2018 Smash news was bad enough, why did we have to repeat it literally a year later? And if Fighter Pass 2 is planned as long as 1, will we doing this same crap for November 2020 while still waiting for Geno?

except none of that is correct? I'm not gonna go for low hanging fruit like the timing or even the difficulty in pulling it off. There are extremely key differences:

Insiders did not immediately come out and say it's fake, and in fact, only one has called it fake and is only calling it as such because it has no relevance to Challenger Pack 5.
No one is "fighting" the insiders, just trying to get a straight answer as to what makes it fake. If your entire experience is based on this Geno thread, believe me, we're all more than happy to take a fake in stride, we just want a concrete answer.
Terry's presentation is regarded as a fun time and most people enjoy Sakurai's obvious nerd romance with SNK. No one is more dejected now than before.
Absolutely no one seriously expected Smash news at the VGAs last year.

Take a step back and look at the bigger picture, we haven't gotten Grinched here. If you're feeling upset that's on you, but what I see from this community is a pretty chipper spirit. We've essentially been told "you're still waiting" and we're taking it like men.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Everybody forgets Piranha Plant is technically our only first party DLC, so why is everybody complaining that we don't have any?

No one wanted him.

 

[FalconFire93]

If #5 is Dante or Lloyd, I’d be okay with that, Dante more so mostly because my friends and I beat the very first Devil May Cry a few months back and I instantly became a fan. Hopefully Devil Trigger would be his FS. Now if Geno comes later, I’d be alright with that.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

Random question just to pass the time: how many characters can you name that you would like to see in Smash Ultimate, regardless of any chances they might have?

Let's see...Geno, Doomguy, Ryu Hayabusa, Bill Rizer, Amaterasu, Crash Bandicoot, Isaac, Rayman, Waluigi, Tails, Mega Man X, Juno, Strider Hiryu, Marina Liteyears, Bomberman, Lloyd Irving, Proto Man, Shadow The Hedgehog, Bass, Spyro The Dragon, Mach Rider, Dr. Robotnik, Skull Kid...I think that's as much as I can come up with. Obviously Geno is my #1 pick with Doomguy closely following behind - I need that dream team between them to happen like ASAP.

Doom Slayer, Ryu Hayabusa, Crash Bandicoot, Scorpion, Any Resident Evil character, Heihachi, Kratos, Master Chief, Dante, Gordon Freeman, Phoenix Wright, 2B, Sora, Monokuma, Heavy, Steve

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

No one wanted him.

Doesn't make him any less a DLC character or any less a first party one.

 

[Plank08]

Honestly based on how this FP is a celebration of video game history, I still feel Doomslayer is a candidate, but honestly I don’t know who it could be, I just don’t think it will be Lloyd or reimu
Also, how would you guys feel in our Bamco Rep was Solaire from Dark souls and he had the Lloyd and Heihachi Miis this whole time? Dark souls is my most wanted Bamco franchise

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Everybody forgets Piranha Plant is technically our only first party DLC, so why is everybody complaining that we don't have any?

Piranha Plant was VERY likely planned for the base roster as he is the only DLC character to receive a Palutena's Guidance codex. They probably pushed him towards the DLC lineup because of time constraints. Technically speaking: Piranha Plant is a base game character that got moved towards the DLC lineup. So we actually don't have a Nintendo character yet in the DLC lineup when you put that context into account.

Edit: Holy ****! Kaptain BKupa666 is here.

 

[Deleted member]

Random question just to pass the time: how many characters can you name that you would like to see in Smash Ultimate, regardless of any chances they might have?

In order of want:
Geno
Masked Man
Isaac/Felix

... that's all.

Also, since speculation on #5 is a hot topic, I'm going to throw out my opinion that color theory is still valid and we need to be thinking about a character with orange on them somewhere. Lloyd and Dante are both "RED, the character", so I'm thinking it won't be either of them.

 

[RingJ5]

You know you guys forgot something

Heihachi costume missing.

Patricually the fighter pass that would easily have him with street fighter style pack


So maybe it’s him who’s pack 5.

On the other hand, all of the waves so far have had exactly two returning costumes, besides Hero’s which had zero for suspicious reasons. The SNK wave already had two in the form of Akira and Jacky, so it could be that they’re trying to stick to a particular release schedule.

...Actually, hm. I know that some people in this scene are quite wary of patterns, but I think it’s worth noting that we have nine unseen costumes left, and the distribution lines up quite well with the idea of both Geno and a Namco rep as costume promotions.

Of those nine, we have two more Mega Man costumes, two Monster Hunter costumes, three Namco costumes, and two Square costumes.

As we’ve seen with Banjo, the Capcom characters could basically be thrown in with any character, though if I had to guess the remaining MM costumes would be tossed in randomly(possibly with a shooter rep), the MH costumes would be with the Capcom rep, and either Lloyd or Heihachi would most likely arrive with costumes for the other and Gil in tow.

Now, we have a history of all Smash SE releases only coming with other SE stuff, so Geno would likely be the one exception here and only take the Chocobo hat if promoted. Both could theoretically come with another SE rep, but they inexplicably didn’t arrive with Hero(which is the only wave to break this particular pattern so far), so that’s unlikely.

In other words, if they keep this “two returning costumes per fighter” scheme, they would need three post-pass reps to get through them all, so I would personally expect to see at least that before DLC’s through, with one being Geno and one being either Heihachi or Lloyd.

 

[GolisoPower]

Random question just to pass the time: how many characters can you name that you would like to see in Smash Ultimate, regardless of any chances they might have?

Let's see...Geno, Doomguy, Ryu Hayabusa, Bill Rizer, Amaterasu, Crash Bandicoot, Isaac, Rayman, Waluigi, Tails, Mega Man X, Juno, Strider Hiryu, Marina Liteyears, Bomberman, Lloyd Irving, Proto Man, Shadow The Hedgehog, Bass, Spyro The Dragon, Mach Rider, Dr. Robotnik, Skull Kid...I think that's as much as I can come up with. Obviously Geno is my #1 pick with Doomguy closely following behind - I need that dream team between them to happen like ASAP.

Geno, Doom Slayer, Ryu Hayabusa, Crash, Rayman, Leon Kennedy, Sol Badguy, Chosen Undead, the Islander (From Animal Crossing: New Horizons), Ring Fit Warrior, Akira Howard, Master Chief, Fulgore, 2B, Dante, Shantae and Labo Robot. That's all I can think of for me.

 

[Rohanx17]

When we hit 1600 I made a shpeal about how we had crushed it in only 19 days. This time we did it in 6, you all are psychos way to go team.

I think it's best if we put the costume leak on the backburner. We've already analysed it as far as we possibly can so all we can do is wait and see if it gets proven true or false.

In the meantime what do you all think about this geno fellow? Geno is actually a character I want to include as a fighter. He has a gun for an arm, and just seems like he'd fit absolutely perfectly into Smash.

 

[Sigran101]

Did I miss anything interesting?

 

[Droodle]

Sakurai said that picking a tales of Character for smash would be Lloyd. That's why we got a Lloyd outfit and not a Yuri one so that's why

No, Sakurai stated that Lloyd is the right choice for a MII COSTUME in Smash; and that was after Lloyd was a popular pick in the ballot. He never stated that Lloyd is the only character that could represent Tales as a fighter in Smash.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

If what Fatmanonice said about post-pass character being more "fan servicey" is true, then Geno still has a very good shot at making it in. But would Doom Slayer fit that mold as well? Sure, he only got many requests after Doom 2016 was on Switch, but if Nintendo and Sakurai saw those requests before deciding on post-pass characters, then I think Doom Slayer can be a fan favorite choice.

Where did he say that?

 

[Loliko YnT]

Damn , it's been forever since I posted here.

Was the November 2018 direct really last year ? I feel old...
Saw the costume leaks , I'm honestly staying neutral on it.

I still want my blue warrior , and I still think he has an over-all good shot. I don't think he'll be fighter 5 (I'm betting on Crash , because I also want him lol.) , but post-pass fighters ned to be aimed toward fan-favorites , I doubt they can pay for third party forever... This game will be over a year old , I don't know if Nintendo will continue with this list of characters... But I think it's better for Sakurai to just let take care of things now , and throw more fan-favorites since... Well , the people who'll still be buying DLCs will mostly be fans.
Not saying no casuals will buy them , but.... The fighter pass is 25 dollars , it's 5 stages and fighters with around 100 music tracks. The base game is 60 dollars and has 70+ character , 100 stage and 800+ music tracks... So yeah , you have to be pretty invested in Smash to keep buying them.

But I'll say one thing , this thread not being far off 2000 pages after it's creation and still being active to this day show that Geno is extremely important to fans , and not a flavor of the month. So I'm positive on him being added as post-pass.
Also , if they had the rights to the SE costumes , why not release them with Hero ? Yeah they wanted to push DQ , and it's more on the Enix side but... It would be weird to wait this long , except if they have another Square character that isn't Geno.

 

[xpnc]

Doom Slayer, Ryu Hayabusa, Crash Bandicoot, Scorpion, Any Resident Evil character, Heihachi, Kratos, Master Chief, Dante, Gordon Freeman, Phoenix Wright, 2B, Sora, Monokuma, Heavy, Steve

Geno, Isaac

 

[Aerospherology]

Random question just to pass the time: how many characters can you name that you would like to see in Smash Ultimate, regardless of any chances they might have?

Let's see...Geno, Doomguy, Ryu Hayabusa, Bill Rizer, Amaterasu, Crash Bandicoot, Isaac, Rayman, Waluigi, Tails, Mega Man X, Juno, Strider Hiryu, Marina Liteyears, Bomberman, Lloyd Irving, Proto Man, Shadow The Hedgehog, Bass, Spyro The Dragon, Mach Rider, Dr. Robotnik, Skull Kid...I think that's as much as I can come up with. Obviously Geno is my #1 pick with Doomguy closely following behind - I need that dream team between them to happen like ASAP.

Geno, Porky, Chase McCain, Uniracer, Quote, Phoenix Wright

 

[PatPrime]

Where did he say that?

So, a lot of people ask me about my confidence in Geno and one aspect I don't think I've talked about concerning the "list" is the nature of it. If you want to ignore the rest of this post, here's the takeaway: more people would be upset with the names not on it than that are and Ryu is the most "controversial" one if that tells you anything. It's pretty fanservicey and I think that's the entire point of the post-pass characters. The Fighter's Pass had mostly been about Sakurai's choices and celebrating video game history while most of the hypothetical post Fighter Pass characters are the equivalent of drunk online shopping at 3 in the morning with a credit card.

This what I was referring to. It's on page 1689.

 

[Deleted member]

So, a lot of people ask me about my confidence in Geno and one aspect I don't think I've talked about concerning the "list" is the nature of it. If you want to ignore the rest of this post, here's the takeaway: more people would be upset with the names not on it than that are and Ryu is the most "controversial" one if that tells you anything. It's pretty fanservicey and I think that's the entire point of the post-pass characters. The Fighter's Pass had mostly been about Sakurai's choices and celebrating video game history while most of the hypothetical post Fighter Pass characters are the equivalent of drunk online shopping at 3 in the morning with a credit card.

...You have a list?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

No, Sakurai stated that Lloyd is the right choice for a MII COSTUME in Smash; and that was after Lloyd was a popular pick in the ballot. He never stated that Lloyd is the only character that could represent Tales as a fighter in Smash.

^^^^ this this this

So far Sakurai has been introducing fighters that bring new things to the table in the pass. Joker has Arsene and the Revolution (?) Meter, Hero has the Command Menu and a small chance for critical hits, Banjo and Kazooie have their side special which they can only use five times per stock and renders them (mostly) invincible, and Terry can use Power Geyser and Buster Wolf using certain inputs at 100% damage or more.

When it comes to Tales, even though Lloyd is super popular due to Symphonia originating on GC, and Yuri has ToV Definitive on Switch in his favor, Velvet would be the most unique from a gameplay perspective. Yes I know there’s her outfit, but it’s nowhere near comparable to Mai Shiranui’s situation and Velvet’s idle animations don’t focus on sexuality; her design is more “edgy” than sexy. Just cover the cleavage a bit and make her shorts longer and you’re good

 

[Fatmanonice]

...You have a list?

Not an official list, just names that have been in insider circles for awhile.