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Im honestly still banking on a November dorect with one or two reveals. With Sabi seemingly knowning for certain that #5 is not Crash or Ryu I think we’re gonna get something very soon.
When I say nobody asked for a character, that means they wouldn't even crack a top 50 list in a popularity poll for characters not in the game. Of course there are actual fans for every character in existence. But in the context of demand for a character to join smash, Terry had little to none.
As a content creator myself, I gotta say, it really is critical that you have at least one person to bounce your ideas off of. Like you said, even guys like George Lucas or Miyamoto can fall apart sometimes when there's no one to say, "Yeah, no, that ain't gonna work quite like that." No matter how "inspired" someone might seem, there really is credence to the saying "Two heads are better than one", and by extension, multiple heads are even better than that. People think differently and can often see angles that others don't, allowing a creator to fill plot holes or innovate in new and exciting ways. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how flexible or open-minded an elderly executive would be in Japanese culture. Some bosses make going against the grain a pretty intimidating experience.
This isn't really accurate though. Terry is huge in Latin America and Japan, and while he wasn't always the most supported, there's been outcry for an SNK rep from damn near every region. That may be Western bias talking. And if you take fan demand out of the equation, Terry is still an iconic fighting game poster boy with a fat legacy and fatter biceps.
I'm from NJ too, we have quite a big tournament scene here, you should consider checking it out. It's a lot of fun
Take it to the DM's y'all.I'm from NJ too, we have quite a big tournament scene here, you should consider checking it out. It's a lot of fun
My bTake it to the DM's y'all.
(Just trying to keep us on Topic)
Holy **** he does.
In my almost 15 years of looking at smash bros fan polls, I have never once seen Terry Bogard even listed. I have very rarely even seen "SNK rep" listed. I can name dozens of characters more demanded than him. To argue that he has any type of history of prominent demand within the Smash community as a whole is just wild to me.
General Grievous looks like Yaridovich from Super Mario RPG. After all, it came first.
Nah man, this isn't Western bias it's being accurate. No one was requesting Terry in significant amounts. Like not top 20 or even 30. Like, ever. Fatal Fury/KOF is a great series with a lot of fans, but it's complete fantasy to say that Terry was demanded for Smash at a significant amount at all. He never ranked in a significant way in any polls even ones where people from Latin America most certainly voted. Just because a character has fans and said fans are excited for said character to get into Smash now that he's been announced doesn't mean they were out there campaigning to get him into the game to a noticeable degree. To say otherwise in Terry's case is rewriting history.
Both are military leaders of villainous factions and they both wield weapons, so they look sort of similar. Now that I think about it, a Super Mario RPG boss with beam swords (especially from the Smithy Gang since they're all anthropomorphic weapons) would've been really cool.
You Fool! I have been trained in your Star Power arts by Smithy!
I'd have to disagree a bit. Sure it's fun for a while, but it can get really tiring going from topic to topic with seemingly little time to breathe. Thankfully I think we're at the point where discussion is going to be slowing down a bit.
General Geno! You are a bold one!
I'm content with playing the waiting game. There's nothing we can do, after all.
(Smithy hammers his head into a tank) "Don't underestimate my power!"
This. I really didn't care to walk people through the "Smash Bubble" phenomenon yet again.
That doesn't really hold up to what I was even saying. If a character really had a significant demand to be added to Smash, they would at least register somewhere on polls/websites. That is the demographic that is actively campaigning to get characters into Smash. The fact that Terry barely even registered as a blip on these radars from 2006-August 2019 tells me he wasn't as highly demanded as a lot of other characters. When I talk about popularity regarding DLC character additions I'm specifically talking about the volume of fan requests to be added to Smash Bros.
If someone is making the claim that a specific character has a significant push of people requesting for said character to get into Smash then burden of proof is on them. If there's no actual evidence supporting that then it's pure conjecture and not backed by actual evidence. You can brush off polls with tens of thousands of votes if you want but a proportionally small sample size is better than none. It may not account for 100% of the entire fanbase but it's a better predictor than just making baseless claims with no evidence to back it up other than "X character is popular in general so therefore a significant amount of people wanted them in Smash".
The important takeaway that some people don't understand is:
Ahh, maybe I'm starting to see what that 'Smash Bubble' that
EricTheGamerman
was talking about.
Most of this isn't even worth responding to because you didn't address his Smash demand and instead focused on his popularity in general, which I never denied.Ahh, maybe I'm starting to see what that 'Smash Bubble' that
See, it doesn't matter if a character is #1 most requested or #1,377 most requested, as long as the demand is there the possibility is there.
Just because a fan base isn't vocal in every poll on every social media site doesn't mean they don't want their character and that their wishes aren't being heard.
Terry is like Joker, but far more iconic: Joker was requested for Smash but Joker fans thought it was ridiculous so they never said anything past a certain point and since people convinced them of so, they went silent. Suddenly, the protagonist of the most popular JRPG in recent years makes it to Smash. Terry is the face of a fighting game franchise that rivals Street Fighter in terms of existence and appeal. There was a time where Terry was just as iconic as Ryu, if not MORE so (hell, they had not one but TWO crossovers!), but then business things happened and the games stopped for a while. However, the love for the characters and the games didn't die out fully, and now they are back and seeing lots of success...enough to bring back another old title to the modern age and support it for an extended period while also getting a guest character in another big fighting game.
Terry is big...but not to the average Smash fan. That's not Terry or SNK's fault though: a bunch of SNK games dropped on the Switch and they sold extremely well. If you are a Smash fan, and you DON'T know about Terry, you are either young or...I'm sorry to say, but you may have limited horizons on video games. There is a reason why the Smash community and the FGC are still so far apart even now, and one of the reasons is that Smash fans live in this 'Smash Bubble' where if it isn't on their radar and what they think should happen or is likely, they don't know about it. There are SO many Smash pros that do not play any other game competitively and sometimes they don't play other games.
Just because YOU don't know Terry or didn't ask for him, and just because a good chunk of the Smash fan base didn't ask for him doesn't mean those who love Smash as casual romp once and again but are big into other games didn't want him. That is the alley Joker and Terry waltz in from. Hell, in some ways, that where Hero waltz in from. The only character thus far in the FP that was heavily demanded by SPECIFICALLY the Smash fan base was B&K.
So first off, it's not all about you or your group. Other people like Smash, even if it's not the most important thing to them, and that have character wishes too. Just because they don't voice their opinions about their character until there are well over 1000 pages on a website with many of them filled with nothing related to the character because everything that can be said about them has been said...doesn't mean they don't exist.
If I have to, and believe me I already WANT to, I will post here the giant Twitter chain that pointed out how relevant Terry Bogard is to gaming as well as reaction videos to his inclusion where people got hype as **** AND I will bring in Maximillian's Legacy series with which he is currently playing through all the big name games that Terry was in. There is someone in the comments in those videos going crazy deep into the lore of the games and sharing them with his audience and I may even quote those and share them as well.
It may not be a big deal to you, but there is a whole portion of a continent that lost their collective **** as well as a Western fan base who loves ALL fighting games and not just one. Frankly speaking, you all are the ones missing out. I would encourage you to play some KoF, Fatal Fury or Art of Fighting just like I would encourage people who don't understand my love for Geno to play SMRPG. Put someone else's controller in your hands, see what it's like.
I suppose I should say this has been my Ted Talk right about here, but I don't get the meme so idk.
Well, Sakurai has support for Geno, so...
I honestly dont understand why halloween has to be the deadline for a direct announcement. They are announced a day before they happen lol, two days early in rare cases.