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But would that make sense considering the SMRPG songs were pulled from YouTube by Nintendo much like Megalovania was? Would SE really be cool with giving a costume 2 pieces of music for 75 cents when they could sell a full character plus 2 tracks for 5 dollars?
It’s... literally the logic he was using, though. According to him, Hero was Japan’s most wanted Smash character, even though “DQ in Smash” wasn’t really even a blip on the radar until the rumors. His proof is that DQ’s trailer has been viewed many more times than other characters, but that could just as well be because DQ is such a massive franchise in Japan, it doesn’t automatically mean that everyone in Japan secretly wanted him in Smash and just never said anything.
Wow did you just make that? If so, thank you so much! That actually helps a lot. The Smithy one looks great and while the Mallow one looks a little strange with Mii fighter proportions, it definitely doesn't look as weird as I imagined. I would love it if these were the Mii costumes we get when Geno becomes a character.
Omitting his costume while Mallow and Smithy get costumes is pretty suspicious...
It's possible, but if the Geno costume is returning from Smash 4, how would a leaker not know about it when they know about a brand new Mallow and Smithy costumes, as well as the returning Chocobo Hat? That sounds like the kind of info you wouldn't really miss. I go a lot more in-depth in this post: https://smashboards.com/threads/gen...i-discord-poll.446378/page-1513#post-23603763
Thanks! Trust me though, the Mallow costume would probably look better than this. You think the Toad Mii's face is something? Just imagine a big 'ol cloud with a big 'ol BUP face.
i was only saying that for fortnite, no one has requested for jonesy.
True, but I fear of the chance where his source might not have all the info and didn't get info on Geno, like how people knew Simon but not Richter.
Ah, fair enough. It appears that I misinterpreted your message as regarding the DQ point as a whole, apologies for the confusion.
I honestly think they’ve “gone too far” at this point to have Geno’s costume back. The best time to announce it would have been literally any time before the announcement that extra characters were in development, but it would feel terrible to get so close to the “end” and get kneecapped by a random costume drop coming with Terry or #5.
But then why even make a Mallow AND Smithy costume if you were also going to bring back the Geno costume? I could accept it if it was coming back with a new Mallow costume alone, but the inclusion of a Smithy costume as well just seems... odd. But before that, why even make two new costumes to pair up with the old, returning one in the first place? You'd figure the Geno costume on it's own would've been enough on that front. Super odd.
To quote my post.
Richter was in the "Gardevoir Leak."
Richter... but not Simon. Which is ironic.
Watch Sakurai was the only one that designed him as well. "No one must know...I shall create sans MYSELF!"
I saw the video later on, I can admit getting those Mii Costumes right might mean something, but just like how this leaker didn't say Sans was coming as a costume there's a chance that either the Geno Mii Costume might've been kept more in secret, the SMRPG costume were made up, the leaker deliberately left Geno to mess with PapaGenos & the viewers, or if everything aligns well Geno is actually in Smash Bros.
They can literally release these costumes whenever if they wanted to. Back in Smash 4 they released Mii Costumes without fighters, so why can't they do that again. Not everything has to make sense of why they do these stuff because a good amount of time nothing that Sakurai & his team does make any sense.
The goal posts are always going to be moved by certain people in this thread. If the dude predicted Sans then they’d be asking why he didn’t know about Terry. If he said Terry they’d be asking why he didn’t know about Joker.
For what reason would a person with a solid track record of genuine information who has specifically remained anonymous knowingly give someone like PapaGenos fake information regarding the specific character PapaGenos really wants in the game? Like that just doesn’t line up at all with what this person has done in the past. It’d also completely ruin their credibility and just burn bridges. I feel like the Grinch Leak really ****ed with people’s heads if people are assuming information coming from credible leakers with a consistent track record of genuine information are trolls now.
You're downplaying 2B far too much for just not being as aware of her existence. Nier Automata is a modern hit along the same lines as Persona 5 and actually arguably has the same Sakurai support Persona 5 had as well: http://www.sourcegaming.info/2017/03/15/thinking-outside-the-box-sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-526/. He speaks very positively about Nier Automata specifically and the Nier titles as an offshoot of the longer running Drakengard series. It's also developed by Yako Taro, who is a major Japanese personality along the same lines of Suda, Sakurai, and Kojima for having a very distinctive and recognizable style to his products. Nier Automata also recently broke 4 million sales becoming Platinum's best selling game: https://www.pcgamesn.com/nier-automata/neir-automata-sales-figures and was nominated for several game of the year awards in 2017 (which it may have won in a less competitive year, but holy **** we had Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey, Horizon, Resident Evil 7, Hellblade, and Persona 5 also in that year). Nier: Automata has crossed over with Phantasy Star Online 2, Soulcalibur VI, and Final Fantasy XIV. Nier Automata is the definition of a modern classic that is beloved by a number of current generation gamers, and has a striking number of similarities to how Persona 5 and Joker ended up in Smash.Ahem.
I'm sorry, what is Nier Automata?
I didn't even know who 2B was before I heard about her in Smash speculation. Sure, I'd seen gameplay of Nier Automata as it received lots of advertising, but to me it was just the game where weird gothic robo-stuff was happening and it looked cool but I was waiting for the next announcement. I knew about the blindfolded skirt girl, but I didn't know who 2B was until Smash speculation.
Now, show me how many people can say the same about FF7. That's right, a whopping .05%! FF7 is so legendary that people like myself who had never played the game until THIS YEAR know who all the characters are and can put names to faces. Before I touched the legendary game, I knew who Cloud, Sephiroth, Tifa, Barrett, Aeris/Aerith and Yuffie were; I knew about the use of materia and Mako and how it was destroying the planet; I knew about how Sephiroth's fall into madness; I knew about Cloud having emotional issues and his history of being manipulated; I knew Tifa was his love-interest and that she was a badass brawling *****; I knew Barret was also a badass and had a gun arm and an attitude to match; I knew Aeris/Aerith died and was killed by Sephiroth and that it was a massive moment in gaming history.
There are many more things I knew about FF7 and it's characters, and why is that? Because of how big that game is in the gaming sphere and basically now in general history. So forgive me if I feel like Tifa has more clout than 2B...but it's because she does! Also, calling her a side character is not only a disservice, but it's practically an insult. She's a titular character up there with Cloud and Sephiroth with her own set of memes and fan dedication and levels of iconic appeal, but I get what you mean.
In that case, yes, a technical side character from one of the most (if not THE most) well-known and iconic games of all time makes WAAAAY more sense then the protagonist from an existing IP that was brought back with pretty decent success. If you had to choose one or the other, the choice is clear that you would pick Tifa.
But as I said before, 2B is already in SC6 so her chances of being in Smash are already down due to that, and I feel like Tifa would be in Tekken if anything as she fits better there. To add to the Squeenix character chances breakdown here, Sephiroth would be better as an AT since being dedicated to him and keeping him balanced would be difficult. Lara Croft is essentially a shoot-mcgun character, really isn't as popular due to the new takes on her games and if you wanted to do a survival mechanic, asEricTheGamerman mentioned I believe...Resident Evil is the more iconic choice to fit that style. Crono, Neku, and pretty much any other Squeenix character doesn't have enough relevance or pull to be much of a contender. FF and DQ have their big bois already in the arena, so....
That really only leaves Sora and Geno. I can't see any other Square Enix characters making it in other than them.
I don't really agree with the notion that Ryu Hayabusa makes sense as leakbait. He's one of the top options you would pick to make a fake leak seem more credible given that he is a NES icon not currently in Smash and has been in and out of Smash discussion for years before really building up more and more support in the wake of Simon's inclusion, and furthermore with Hero's inclusion. Just because someone doesn't top the requested list doesn't mean they're inherently good leakbait and I'm not sure you would pick leakbait from a company that isn't involved at all like that just out of respect (Koei Tecmo is already in Smash, but still, leakbait makes more sense in the context of IPs you own or with other IPs from companies more involved with the specific characters I would argue). Is there any reason to doubt both Ryu and Crash? They both have a ton of merits for getting in and are both beloved characters from companies that have partnered closely with Nintendo in the past and present. The most sensible scenario to me is to see both regardless of this unverified leak at this point (as are all leaks, but I'm willing to admit this does better at initial glance than a **** ton of leaks).
I think it's mainly been the whole Koei Tecmo relationship I mentioned before. I don't think there's a ton of difference between them in terms of "evidence" (which is to say, both make sense from their respective companies as companies supporting Nintendo, both are classic characters, and both have hearsay from leakers). But it's also really hard to not acknowledge that Koei Tecmo has been extremely buddy-buddy with Nintendo in recent years with the Warriors releases, being selected to develop a Switch exclusive Marvel Ultimate Alliance of all things, and practically doing all of the heavy lifting on Three Houses. It's a little bit weird to consider that they don't have someone playable in Smash at this point with how notable of a Japanese development house they are alongside on that Nintendo stuff (it's circumstantial evidence of course, but that's kind of compelling circumstantial evidence towards Hayabusa joining before it's all said and over).
truth is, the Grinch leak did **** with people's heads, a lot, including mine. That's why I can still see this being 100% fake even with this astronomical, insane evidence going for it. Rather stay hopefully optimistic than
As you mention the Grinch Leak why would someone go through the process of drawing all those characters, rearrange them, have some great small details like Snake shooting at Banjo while Kazooie freaks out, spent money print out a couple of mural and with other things that professional business do for promotional material and not coming out with an HD scan of that fake mural? Someone put a lot of hours into and is possible a really good artist which rival that Rayman leak, so why hasn't that person come out to showcase their talent?
A bunch of SMRPG Mii costumes minus Geno is the most notable thing
Vergeben wasn't anymore wrong than this guy though. Luminary and Erdrick were the main two picked for Hero from the beginning as Sakurai confirmed during the livestream for Dragon Quest 11 S. Hell, Vergeben said stuff more along the lines of a Dragon Quest Hero in general at first. I don't really see this as evidence against them when they were both right (and you could have gone with either of them as notable picks for a Dragon Quest character only knowing DQ in the first place or trying to jump off of existing leaks).
I don't think respect has anything to do with leakbait lol. It's not like SE didn't respect Sephiroth, Sora, Slime, and Crono when they sent those names out as a list of 7 possible SE reps. At the end of the day it's "What sounds believable enough to be true." And that is Ryu Hyabusa to a T. You yourself listed off reasons why he makes sense. But he is not a character that lots of people were putting in their fake leaks nor would they. And you're not going to put a name out there that everyone and their mom is assuming is going to be in the game. The only reason I doubt both is because people are being absolutely sure that Ryu is 5 even after the things that have popped up in the past (on 4chan) listing him as 5 have been disproven. If anything I'll throw out the possibility that his being leakbait is specifically why his name has come up so often especially as the final FP character. The reason I see Crash as more likely is that this specific leaker has a lot more going for him than pretty much anyone else at this point other than Vergeben who has really been a non-entity to outright being wrong as far as DLC is concerned.
I really disagree that they're on even grounds. Ryu has appeared on a couple of leaks that were paraded around as having credibility and then in time have been proven false. Yet people are still "hearing Ryu". On the flipside Crash hasn't been heard of as much though he is highly requested and is being brought up by someone that has now been revealed to have a very solid track record. I don't think a company being buddy buddy with Nintendo is evidence of any kind. Ubisoft is buddy buddy with Nintendo and look at what that got Rayman. The evidence here is an individual with a track record of legit leaks months before said things ended up even being rumored by other people much less confirmed. That to me puts Crash on a different level than Ryu being in a couple of fake leaks and being talked about by questionable sources like Brew and IAmShifty.
Un sure about that, because in the end, Luminary is Alt 1 and Erdrick is alt 2. Sure, they may have both been planned upon the character's inception, but getting which order the alts go in (essentially) suggests deeper inside knowledge to me, whether Vergeben and Tansut were right or wrong in the end.
papagenos
Sorry to tag you man, but do you think you could reach out to this guy and ask him what's up with this SMRPG content?Only
papagenos
can answer this, and maybe he isn't able to, but this leaker seems to be the same source that very confidently told him Banjo is coming back in November after the Grinch leak stole our Christmas. If it's the same guy, do you really think he played the long game with a youtuber who, at the time, was a nobody (as far as big youtubers go, he still is), just to come to him basically a year later and troll him on his favorite character? Who wins from that situation?! Where we don't know all of the details, we have to take the Occam's Razor approach. There's a difference between Brew, Shifty and this guy, in that the former two quite honestly crawled out of the woodwork with "information", while this potential leaker has been around, getting multiple things right.If Sabi can back people who say "Ryu", what does that really mean? If a bunch of people can say "I've heard Ryu", great. See my previous post about how Ryu Hayabusa could have very easily been leakbait because he actually fits the criteria, mostly because he hasn't been a staple of every fake leak since the Brawl days, or even since Smash 4. I honestly never saw the guy mentioned in Smash speculation outside of one or two big fans, and then in those obviously fake dream rosters that have 400 something characters on them and he's just thrown in next to the likes of Ichigo Kurosaki and Goku.
Several things about this. First, Incineroar's color is yellow. You're right, most characters have their most prominent color as their character color, but Incineroar and Joker break that trend. It does not, however, break the trend that the color is somewhere on the character. Not to shill my own crackpot theory, but go find my posts on Color Theory as it relates to the seven stars in Mario RPG - so far, it isn't actually wrong. Terry's background being light blue wasn't necessarily called by me, but light blue was one of the colors we needed, and we got it. Orange is all that's left.
Right? They can still release Mii costumes separately, but that requires patching them into the game, which requires releasing a patch. If Mii Costume packs weren't a big seller in Smash 4, why would they continue to make them standalone, or tie them to balance patches, when they can make balance patches, character patches, and mii costume patches all one item?
How do you know he's the easiest?
For one, he's probably pretty big with the kids. It's a Pokemon announcement, for God's sake. They ended on a commercially successful franchise. Two? They didn't end on Incineroar. They ended on DLC.
They wanted us to know there were boss fights, but didn't want to give us the context yet. He technically does appear there.
Because Nintendo didn't want to? Maybe that requires paying EVO for the advertising time? Maybe they just don't want to use a fighting game event as an advertisement platform? Maybe they want to pad their Nintendo directs with as much diverse content as possible. Banjo wasn't even out yet, there was no reason for them to drop the Terry trailer? There's tons of reasons, and just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. Make sense?
But Square Enix was already involved in Ultimate heavily through Cloud and Hero, and thus would have a reason to be more willing to sign off on the idea of "leakbait" (They would want to protect they're upcoming surprise as an involved party in a playable character... and this is assuming Smash has ever actually used leak bait, and I've seen no convincing evidence of this phenomenon besides Vergeben trying to backpedal out of his Steve comments). I'd take it as a sign of disrespect if a company was just parading around my IP to trip other people up while I'm minimally involved with the product to begin with. I just don't think it's a good look when you've been close partners to said company to trot their name out in order to leak bait some "Smash Bros leakers" like that's the priority in this situation. Maybe it's just me, but that just doesn't seem worth the risk to involve Koei Tecmo out of nowhere like that. And again, Ryu Hayabusa has appeared on a lot of leaks since last year, and people have used that to argue against Geno's validity as leak bait, so I see no difference here. Either they both make sense or neither do as leakbait. I do not see a big enough difference between the two to argue those semantics in terms of how much sense they make as "leak bait."
Again, there's so little known here that I can't really say I trust a person who says Luminary over Erdrick when in fact both were right. I don't assign more weight to Luminary because that's clearly not how Hero was designed. Yes, Dragon Quest 11 comprises the surrounding content, but Erdrick and Luminary were equal from day one and we don't know the point at time in which this particular individual went in on Luminary and Dragon Quest (there were 8 months between Vergeben's Dragon Quest content post and Hero's reveal, that's a long damn window).
I standby the idea of us getting two before the year is over personally. The last of the Fighter’s Pass with Terry, and the first after to keep the hype up. I always figured it would be #5 with Terry and DLC #7 at The Game Awards haha, but things could change depending on what makes makes sense (like Crash would make more sense at TGAs than Geno, so I don’t I know about that).
I am not sure if we will get another VGA reveal. Joker was a great reveal for the WOW factor. Crash certainly makes sense...but we should know by now that 'sense' should never be figured into how Nintendo and Sakurai reveal things. If that were the case, Terry at EVO would have been done.
Where is the risk? If he's leakbait he's leakbait and not in the game at least for the time being. I don't think companies see this as the huge sign of disrespect that you seem to.
I don't think Nintendo wants to show us everything that's coming at once, because that ruins the speculation, and as such, ruins the "good TV" that I've been talking about.
