Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[wynn728]

My guy how the hell did you get that idea? Harada was clearly mad because he thought people were spamming Sakurai. He was just trying to tell people to be respectful and not spam for requests. This has nothing to do with not lessoning to fans.

It was literally just one person tagged Harada and got upset about. He also said that tags like "This for Smash" is also just as bad and shouldn't happen https://twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/1185088650976976896?s=20

Right now any time you ask for a character is just spamming, and seems like Harada wants to make sure that no more characters that people have been asking for gets into Smash Bros. Which fits right at home with how Ultimate has been going as of lately. You get Banjo and that's it.

 

[Grumbo]

Harada’s just grumpy fart tbh. I think he’s still salty about Tekken not being in smash. I really doubt he has much influence on Sakurai’s decisions.

 

[Deleted member]

It was literally just one person tagged Harada and got upset about. He also said that tags like "This for Smash" is also just as bad and shouldn't happen https://twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/1185088650976976896?s=20

Right now any time you ask for a character is just spamming, and seems like Harada wants to make sure that no more characters that people have been asking for gets into Smash Bros. Which fits right at home with how Ultimate has been going as of lately. You get Banjo and that's it.

you're a great guy, but it's getting comical how you think characters no one wants (aside from Banjo) are getting into Smash. Like... aside from Geno (I guess you want him, you're here enough), who do you want? Who was stolen from you to make you this way?

 

[valkiriforce]

Right now any time you ask for a character is just spamming, and seems like Harada wants to make sure that no more characters that people have been asking for gets into Smash Bros. Which fits right at home with how Ultimate has been going as of lately. You get Banjo and that's it.

No, SPAMMING characters or requests is spamming. It's actually because he was tagged in a thread that went on and on and probably blew up his notifications that he's reacted the way he did, which is understandable. Also, he has no charge over a project that doesn't belong to him any more than the fans who make their requests frequently known.

 

[MattX20]

Honestly, I'm glad Heihachi isn't in Smash as a playable character. He would've been the worst character choice, especially when Jin is the main character of the series, and that there are other characters that could use a boost.

 

[Ovaltine]

Honestly, I just feel awful for those fan bases (Crash, Sora, Doom Marine, Master Chief, Arle). They weren't the ones at fault, instead being the dude who tagged them all and lumped them into a spam session they themselves were not a willing participant of. Because of that, though, the internet is sure to throw the entire fandom for each character under the bus. Great.

 

[Datboigeno]

Honestly, I'm glad Heihachi isn't in Smash as a playable character. He would've been the worst character choice, especially when Jin is the main character of the series, and that there are other characters that could use a boost.

Yoshimitsu has always been the most interesting Namco fighting game character. You could make a serious live action drama just about Yoshimitsu and it’d work.

 

[Nicnac]

Honestly, I just feel awful for those fan bases (Crash, Sora, Doom Marine, Master Chief, Arle). They weren't the ones at fault, instead being the dude who tagged them all and lumped them into a spam session they themselves were not a willing participant of. Because of that, though, the internet is sure to throw the entire fandom for each character under the bus. Great.

Most of the fighters listed were frontrunners in speculation, which could make the next few days (at least) very different and probably very toxic.

 

[wynn728]

you're a great guy, but it's getting comical how you think characters no one wants (aside from Banjo) are getting into Smash. Like... aside from Geno (I guess you want him, you're here enough), who do you want? Who was stolen from you to make you this way?

Well first I doubt many people were requesting Terry Bogard because most people believed that was never going to happen at all.
Also for the characters that I want I try to limit third party because there's so many legal negotiations that goes behind just obtaining the rights and it's entirely possible that those characters might not cross the developers mind; there's so many uncertainties that I rather not have investment in any particular third party getting in despite how much I would love to see them. So much as I want a characters like Dante I'm not going to cry that they didn't make it in since Nintendo don't own the rights to him, but if they do that's just a great bonus

But the characters that I wanted that aren't going to make it in at all due to Assist Trophies, Spirits, and Mii Costumes are: Rex & Pyra, Ashley, Bomberman), Isaac, Skull Kid, an ARMS rep, Takamaru, Chibi Robo, Saki, Bandana Waddle Dee, Wonderful 101, Hades, Decidueye, Elma, Shadow, Shantae, and Shovel Knight.

Now I don't believe that any of these characters had their spot stolen, but I do know that these characters just aren't getting in at all. I don't have any characters that I really want at this point that I think are slightly possible. All my favorites are just dead, and I see other fan favorite characters like Dixie Kong, Waluigi, Krystal, Paper Mario, and Rayman getting deconfirmed as well. Not everyone can make, but I would always appreciate that other people's fan favorite characters get in; which is why I like that Banjo got in despite not liking Banjo at all. There's just nothing left for me any more, especially if the next wave of DLC are third party characters and Sakurai continue the trend of ignoring that fighter ballot. Let's all be honest, there weren't that many people asking for Joker and Terry since nobody thought that was possible.

 

[wynn728]

No, SPAMMING characters or requests is spamming. It's actually because he was tagged in a thread that went on and on and probably blew up his notifications that he's reacted the way he did, which is understandable. Also, he has no charge over a project that doesn't belong to him any more than the fans who make their requests frequently known.

Many of the people who work for Harada are currently making Smash Bros.

 

[Ovaltine]

Most of the fighters listed were frontrunners in speculation, which could make the next few days (at least) very different and probably very toxic.

Oh god, and one of your most wanteds (understandably, freaking love DOOM) is the Doom Marine or Doom Slayer. Be careful out there, dude...

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Well first I doubt many people were requesting Terry Bogard because most people believed that was never going to happen at all.
Also for the characters that I want I try to limit third party because there's so many legal negotiations that goes behind just obtaining the rights and it's entirely possible that those characters might not cross the developers mind; there's so many uncertainties that I rather not have investment in any particular third party getting in despite how much I would love to see them. So much as I want a characters like Dante I'm not going to cry that they didn't make it in since Nintendo don't own the rights to him, but if they do that's just a great bonus

But the characters that I wanted that aren't going to make it in at all due to Assist Trophies, Spirits, and Mii Costumes are: Rex & Pyra, Ashley, Bomberman), Isaac, Skull Kid, an ARMS rep, Takamaru, Chibi Robo, Saki, Bandana Waddle Dee, Wonderful 101, Hades, Decidueye, Elma, Shadow, Shantae, and Shovel Knight.

Now I don't believe that any of these characters had their spot stolen, but I do know that these characters just aren't getting in at all. I don't have any characters that I really want at this point that I think are slightly possible. All my favorites are just dead, and I see other fan favorite characters like Dixie Kong, Waluigi, Krystal, Paper Mario, and Rayman getting deconfirmed as well. Not everyone can make, but I would always appreciate that other people's fan favorite characters get in; which is why I like that Banjo got in despite not liking Banjo at all. There's just nothing left for me any more, especially if the next wave of DLC are third party characters and Sakurai continue the trend of ignoring that fighter ballot. Let's all be honest, there weren't that many people asking for Joker and Terry since nobody thought that was possible.

What's interesting is that you didn't count Geno in this list... Is that a glimmer of Star-shaped hope I see in your heart?

 

[Nicnac]

Many of the people who work for Harada are currently making Smash Bros.

But Harada himself doesn't have any pull in Smash as far as we know, and even if he talks to Sakurai (which I view as unlikely), I doubt that characters with such prevalence as a Fortnite rep (still one of the most popular games on the planet) and possibly the two most important franchises in FPS history (DOOM and Halo) will be locked out of the greatest crossover in gaming (and at this point, you'd have a case for the biggest crossover in media) because a friend of the lead dev got spammed on Twitter.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

But Harada himself doesn't have any pull in Smash as far as we know, and even if he talks to Sakurai (which I view as unlikely), I doubt that characters with such prevalence as a Fortnite rep (still one of the most popular games on the planet) and possibly the two most important franchises in FPS history (DOOM and Halo) will be locked out of the greatest crossover in gaming (and at this point, you'd have a case for the biggest crossover in media) because a friend of the lead dev got spammed on Twitter.

Honestly, when put like that, it makes Mr. Harada sound more like a child than a respectable game dev.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh gosh, all that Harada stuff going on. I support Crash too. I wasn't involved with all of that, but I should probably be weary with that stuff.

 

[valkiriforce]

Yeah, I don't see the logic in punishing a majority based on a minority error. Suppose FP #5 happened to be one of those characters, do you think Sakurai is going to scrap all the work it took up until now from getting it prepared for a future announcement? I don't doubt Harada is good friends with Sakurai but they are responsible for their own projects and how they handle it.

 

[Nicnac]

What's interesting is that you didn't count Geno in this list... Is that a glimmer of Star-shaped hope I see in your heart?

If Geno gets in:

And what happened then?
Well, in Smashboards they say
That Wynn's hopeless heart
Grew three sizes that day.

And then- the true meaning of Smash Bros came through!

And the thread got the strength of ten Smash Balls (plus two!)

 

[TheCJBrine]

NintendoSoup has also covered this post. Thankfully, Geno isn't getting any negative press from this. We respectfully stayed out of SSE2 and Sora4Smash posting

Because silly memes and a fan hashtag are oh-so disrespectful.

No, the people targeting other accounts for being “annoying” are a minority of jerks who either don’t even like the characters/are haters, or forgot how to respectfully say “hey guys, let’s tone it down a bit” even though no one was spamming, they just joined in on a support thing and something fun until one guy ruined it. As long as they don’t tag the devs and unrelated people, it’s fine.

 

[Datboigeno]

People can try to paint Harada as a no fun having grump and the fanbases that got btfo by him on Twitter for spamming as totally innocent but I think people are missing the bigger picture here which is that the whole forced “let’s get xchatacterforsmash trending!!” Just ends up really annoying devs. One thing is having accounts like operation starfall that clearly support a specific character but do a lot more than pure spamming “put xcharacter in game” but some people just go too far and become absolutely grating. Devs who like to interact with the community just get inundated with empty spammy garbage and get annoyed by it and turned off from social media. If people were to take a step back and see exactly what Harada was tweeting they’d see that was his point. Who gives a **** if he can or can’t get a character pulled from Smash? It’s still annoying. Maybe it was just one person tagging Sakurai and Harada in this specific situation but if this were the only time spamming was happening he wouldn’t have tweeted that response calling people out. For example:

https://twitter.com/hmkilla/status/1184983612149637121?s=21

I’m just saying be smart about things and have a bit of self-awareness.

 

[wynn728]

What's interesting is that you didn't count Geno in this list... Is that a glimmer of Star-shaped hope I see in your heart?

Well that's because Serenade01 said "aside from Geno," so I didn't bother to include Geno in the list. I have my doubts, second wave of DLC maybe he gets in but if the rumors are true and Sakurai & his team planned the other five characters early as well then good chance Geno isn't in since they put him in as a Spirit. Hard to say where this will go.

 

[Deleted member]

What's interesting is that you didn't count Geno in this list... Is that a glimmer of Star-shaped hope I see in your heart?

He knows what side of town he's on. Seriously, though...

Well first I doubt many people were requesting Terry Bogard because most people believed that was never going to happen at all.
Also for the characters that I want I try to limit third party because there's so many legal negotiations that goes behind just obtaining the rights and it's entirely possible that those characters might not cross the developers mind; there's so many uncertainties that I rather not have investment in any particular third party getting in despite how much I would love to see them. So much as I want a characters like Dante I'm not going to cry that they didn't make it in since Nintendo don't own the rights to him, but if they do that's just a great bonus

But the characters that I wanted that aren't going to make it in at all due to Assist Trophies, Spirits, and Mii Costumes are: Rex & Pyra, Ashley, Bomberman), Isaac, Skull Kid, an ARMS rep, Takamaru, Chibi Robo, Saki, Bandana Waddle Dee, Wonderful 101, Hades, Decidueye, Elma, Shadow, Shantae, and Shovel Knight.

Now I don't believe that any of these characters had their spot stolen, but I do know that these characters just aren't getting in at all. I don't have any characters that I really want at this point that I think are slightly possible. All my favorites are just dead, and I see other fan favorite characters like Dixie Kong, Waluigi, Krystal, Paper Mario, and Rayman getting deconfirmed as well. Not everyone can make, but I would always appreciate that other people's fan favorite characters get in; which is why I like that Banjo got in despite not liking Banjo at all. There's just nothing left for me any more, especially if the next wave of DLC are third party characters and Sakurai continue the trend of ignoring that fighter ballot. Let's all be honest, there weren't that many people asking for Joker and Terry since nobody thought that was possible.

... did we convince you that Geno's the only spirit immune from getting shafted by being one? We don't know what kind of plans they have, so while my expectations for stuff like a Mii Costume or Assist trophy getting in as a character are pretty low, I think a spirit doesn't mean anything. Seems like you've just drank a lot of doom and gloom kool-aid, to be honest. Cheer up, it isn't all said and done yet.

Also, you'll have to define "request" when it comes to characters, because maybe not everyone is vocal about it, or you're right and they don't think it's a possibility, but believe me, someone wanted Terry aside from Sakurai. I can be really hateful towards the general fighting game community but there is a lot of overlap and there are people who would like to see a little more traditional fighter represented in Smash.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Well that's because Serenade01 said "aside from Geno," so I didn't bother to include Geno in the list. I have my doubts, second wave of DLC maybe he gets in but if the rumors are true and Sakurai & his team planned the other five characters early as well then good chance Geno isn't in since they put him in as a Spirit. Hard to say where this will go.

Eh, it'll come and it'll go. It's now or never so hold your doubts but also hold your expectations. Not just you but all of us, myself included.

 

[Firox]

Oh god, and one of your most wanteds (understandably, freaking love DOOM) is the Doom Marine or Doom Slayer. Be careful out there, dude...

Hold on, guys, what happened? Some Harada guy was complaining about people spamming Sakurai? Someone please get me up to speed here.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Hold on, guys, what happened? Some Harada guy was complaining about people spamming Sakurai? Someone please get me up to speed here.

ForSmash accounts and some other fans started some sort of tweet chain or group thing for fun, and one random guy ruined it for them all by tagging Sakurai and Harada among a bunch of tags for fans and ForSmash accounts in his tweet and nobody noticed until Harada got mad.

Most of the fans and the ForSmash account people don’t even spam or tag Sakurai much if at all (I’m only following a few so not sure about others tbh, though I haven’t seen anyone tag Sakurai from these accounts and most fans don’t seem to), so I don’t know why people are acting like they’re oh-so horrible and annoying. It’s like the stupid Waluigi hate all over again where people judged all of the fans based on two people sending dumb stuff to Sakurai, or even the GameFaqs users judging Geno fans.

 

[wynn728]

... did we convince you that Geno's the only spirit immune from getting shafted by being one? We don't know what kind of plans they have, so while my expectations for stuff like a Mii Costume or Assist trophy getting in as a character are pretty low, I think a spirit doesn't mean anything. Seems like you've just drank a lot of doom and gloom kool-aid, to be honest. Cheer up, it isn't all said and done yet.

Also, you'll have to define "request" when it comes to characters, because maybe not everyone is vocal about it, or you're right and they don't think it's a possibility, but believe me, someone wanted Terry aside from Sakurai. I can be really hateful towards the general fighting game community but there is a lot of overlap and there are people who would like to see a little more traditional fighter represented in Smash.

No, I just didn't mention Geno because you said "aside from Geno." I believe that if a character was turned into a Spirit then it means they don't have plans of using them, and if the next 5 DLC was decided back in 2018 then it doesn't look good for any Spirit characters.

I know there are some that would want Terry, I think he would be a good inclusion, but everyone before would think that he had a 5% chance of getting in. I'm sure if you look hard enough you will find just about every character in existence had some request behind them, like I'm sure at least a few asked for Piranha Plant before his reveal; but there are the ones that had been in demand from a lot of people for a long time and just hurts to see them just ignoring what a lot of fans have been asking for.

 

[StarLight42]

I remember reading posts here last night along the lines of “since #Sora4Smash is trending, let’s get #Geno4Smash trending as well!” And I remember thinking: “No, let’s NOT do that.” We can support Geno in original and creative ways, we don’t need to copy what some other fanbase is doing just because it got them trending on Twitter or whatever.

And now, after all this backlash, i’m glad no one went through with it.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I doubt all of Season 2 was decided in 2018, they were still working on this current pass and there are rumors of Banjo being negotiated for in April last year. And based on some of the stuff Sakurai has said in interviews about their budget and how DLC usually isn’t profitable in the long run, Season 2 may have been in the planning and negotiating phase earlier this year, maybe late last year which would definitely be after the spirits were done. Any third-party Spirits may have been negotiated for earlier than that, too, since I recall Way Forward not answering Smash questions while answering other questions regarding other games for crossovers or something despite supporting Shantae for Smash and answering Smash stuff beforehand (and they still liked some tweets that mentioned Smash).

And they aren’t going to remove a Spirit after negotiating for it for basegame, though they could renegotiate stuff for that character in DLC if they decide to turn them into a fighter.

 

[valkiriforce]

On today's episode of Smash speculation: Harada calls the principle's office...

 

[Deleted member]

but there are the ones that had been in demand from a lot of people for a long time and just hurts to see them just ignoring what a lot of fans have been asking for.

Yeah, that sucks, I know it first hand seeing as how I've been wanting Geno since before Brawl came out. Look, I dislike a lot of stuff, I'm a huge pessimist about mostly everything, but there's just no reason to consider a list of like 1400 video game characters and say "these are all now banned from Smash". Have some fun and believe in something nice happening.

 

[SSGuy]

I remember reading posts here last night along the lines of “since #Sora4Smash is trending, let’s get #Geno4Smash trending as well!” And I remember thinking: “No, let’s NOT do that.” We can support Geno in original and creative ways, we don’t need to copy what some other fanbase is doing just because it got them trending on Twitter or whatever.

And now, after all this backlash, i’m glad no one went through with it.

I was pretty close to trying to compete with it but I decided to wait and work on something else instead of shoe horn. I we went thru the same emotions as the whole #RemasterThousandYearDoor thing where it was disheartening and we were worried our work would be upstaged because of a hashtag. But aside from that, it is pretty much the same as it was regarding Arlo's announcement. We have a more established community that will have a longer lasting impact than just being in the new cycle for 6 hours. This was just easier considering how the #Sora4Smash thing backfired so spectacularly.

It was definitely a good thing we didn't try shoe horn Geno in. If I sounded panicky about it yesterday, I do apologize. We will definitely get our opportunity and we will make sure we do it the right way.

 

[wynn728]

Yeah, that sucks, I know it first hand seeing as how I've been wanting Geno since before Brawl came out. Look, I dislike a lot of stuff, I'm a huge pessimist about mostly everything, but there's just no reason to consider a list of like 1400 video game characters and say "these are all now banned from Smash". Have some fun and believe in something nice happening.

I'm not saying characters are deconfirmed because they're Spirits, I'm saying that characters are Spirits because there was no current plans for them. As we saw with the current Fighters Pass each character hasn't been a Spirit and brings their own Spirits as well, so that means that we won't see any Spirits getting upgraded as the last Fighter Pass character since they already planned it out. If by chance the next wave of DLC was decided in 2019 then yeah, they're not going to look at the all the png files they have and say "well we can't use those anymore," but if the next wave of DLC was chosen before the game launch back in 2018 then they would've known who they're using and not include those characters as Spirits. If the latter is true then that means that if their was a third wave of DLC then those characters will be back on the table.

 

[Penguinbowler]

I was pretty close to trying to compete with it but I decided to wait and work on something else instead of shoe horn. I we went thru the same emotions as the whole #RemasterThousandYearDoor thing where it was disheartening and we were worried our work would be upstaged because of a hashtag. But aside from that, it is pretty much the same as it was regarding Arlo's announcement. We have a more established community that will have a longer lasting impact than just being in the new cycle for 6 hours. This was just easier considering how the #Sora4Smash thing backfired so spectacularly.

It was definitely a good thing we didn't try shoe horn Geno in. If I sounded panicky about it yesterday, I do apologize. We will definitely get our opportunity and we will make sure we do it the right way.

Why do you find it disheartening? If the Paper Mario games get remastered i view it as us being one step closer to a Super Mario RPG remaster, as it would show people have interest in the older Mario RPGs, which i don't think nintendo really thinks ATM.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not saying characters are deconfirmed because they're Spirits, I'm saying that characters are Spirits because there was no current plans for them. As we saw with the current Fighters Pass each character hasn't been a Spirit and brings their own Spirits as well, so that means that we won't see any Spirits getting upgraded as the last Fighter Pass character since they already planned it out. If by chance the next wave of DLC was decided in 2019 then yeah, they're not going to look at the all the png files they have and say "well we can't use those anymore," but if the next wave of DLC was chosen before the game launch back in 2018 then they would've known who they're using and not include those characters as Spirits. If the latter is true then that means that if their was a third wave of DLC then those characters will be back on the table.

and I'm trying to tell you there's no proof that they "had no current plan" for a character just because they're a spirit. There's actually no telling what their plans were, or what their logic was for a spirit to be a spirit aside from just giving a nod to a character and making a somewhat interesting spirit battle for a vapid single player experience.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Even if we did the Geno hashtag, it would’ve been fine as long as no one tagged Sakurai or spammed him. Harada is only mad because of one guy who tagged him and Sakurai in an ongoing meme chain which caused him to get flooded with other tweets, so he assumed they were all at fault and blocked nearly everyone involved.

Seriously though, I haven’t seen the ForSmash people do this nor most of the fans, so please don’t judge them all/act like they’re bad ._.

 

[SSGuy]

Why do you find it disheartening? If the Paper Mario games get remastered i view it as us being one step closer to a Super Mario RPG remaster, as it would show people have interest in the older Mario RPGs, which i don't think nintendo really thinks ATM.

That is true. Keep in mind, I am very supportive of Paper Mario TTYD remaster. I even signed his petition. It was the timing of it. We launched Operation StarFall the same week he made that video and caught the attention of everyone. It was a bit discouraging initially considering all the hard work we put in for 7 months of coding/planning, but everyone who wanted Paper Mario were super nice to us, so it didn't turn out so bad.

I'd love for everyone to have a chance and play both!

Even if we did the Geno hashtag, it would’ve been fine as long as no one tagged Sakurai or spammed him. Harada is only mad because of one guy who tagged him and Sakurai in an ongoing meme chain which caused him to get flooded with other tweets, so he assumed they were all at fault and blocked nearly everyone involved.

Moving forward, I am going to do my best to make sure I don't make that mistake on SM. I will continue tagging NoA and commenting on them, but not on the personal accounts of developers.

 

[Grumbo]

I really dont think we gotta worry about Harada all that much. He’s losing his crap over one tagging. This kind of stuff happens to influencers all the time, he better get used to it. I doubt Sakurai cares that much. This stuff has obviously happened to him for years, he probably doesnt even have notifications on. Plus Harada really doesnt have anything to do with Smash even if he’s friends with Sakurai. He’s still salty over Sans and the Heihachi costume still hasnt come back. I think his attitude is pretty d*mning for Tekken as #5 or in wave 2.
And if youre worried about fanbases being attacked, I wouldnt. These kinds of things blow over in a few days constantly in the smash community.

 

[wynn728]

and I'm trying to tell you there's no proof that they "had no current plan" for a character just because they're a spirit. There's actually no telling what their plans were, or what their logic was for a spirit to be a spirit aside from just giving a nod to a character and making a somewhat interesting spirit battle for a vapid single player experience.

We kind of have all the proof we need. We know that they can't make every character playable, but Sakurai wants a way to have a character represented. So you have the Assist Trophies as a way to represent a character that they don't plan to make playable, you got Mii Costumes as a way to pretend you're playing as them, and you got trophies/spirits as a way to reference them. We know for sure that they decide on who gets to be playable and then assign all the other characters into these categories. The main logic behind all of this is just to say "your character is in there," for the fans. So seeing how the current Fighters Pass was already decided in advance they would already know what they're working with and still represent characters that aren't getting to be playable as Spirits. Sakurai main goal is to get as much representation as he possible could and Spirits were the best way to do that, so if he already know who going to be the 10 DLC characters then he wouldn't bother including the Spirit since they were going to get in later. Again, this is only going off of the rumor that they knew who the 10 DLC characters were going to be back in 2018, this wouldn't be the case if the next wave was undecided until 2019.

 

[Deleted member]

We kind of have all the proof we need. We know that they can't make every character playable, but Sakurai wants a way to have a character represented. So you have the Assist Trophies as a way to represent a character that they don't plan to make playable, you got Mii Costumes as a way to pretend you're playing as them, and you got trophies/spirits as a way to reference them. We know for sure that they decide on who gets to be playable and then assign all the other characters into these categories. The main logic behind all of this is just to say "your character is in there," for the fans. So seeing how the current Fighters Pass was already decided in advance they would already know what they're working with and still represent characters that aren't getting to be playable as Spirits. Sakurai main goal is to get as much representation as he possible could and Spirits were the best way to do that, so if he already know who going to be the 10 DLC characters then he wouldn't bother including the Spirit since they were going to get in later. Again, this is only going off of the rumor that they knew who the 10 DLC characters were going to be back in 2018, this wouldn't be the case if the next wave was undecided until 2019.

That's why they included completely separate trophies for Mewtwo and Lucas in Smash 4, because they had no idea at the time that they were going to be DLC, right? Right...

All of these assumptions are correct until they prove them wrong. Because I believe that their marketing strategy is to be as good TV as possible, I'm sticking by my theory that Fighter 5 is someone who already has a spirit in the game, just to blow speculation up more. Making fans happy is nowhere near as effective as keeping fans guessing, from an advertising standpoint.

 

[Datboigeno]

I really dont think we gotta worry about Harada all that much. He’s losing his crap over one tagging. This kind of stuff happens to influencers all the time, he better get used to it. I doubt Sakurai cares that much. This stuff has obviously happened to him for years, he probably doesnt even have notifications on. Plus Harada really doesnt have anything to do with Smash even if he’s friends with Sakurai. He’s still salty over Sans and the Heihachi costume still hasnt come back. I think his attitude is pretty d*mning for Tekken as #5 or in wave 2.
And if youre worried about fanbases being attacked, I wouldnt. These kinds of things blow over in a few days constantly in the smash community.

But a significant amount of people are doing it outside of the situation though. That is the problem. Sakurai does care because he literally made a post on Twitter almost a year ago specifically in English asking people to not spam him for requests. Have you considered the fact that Harada may have just said "**** it" and pushed back against the tagging himself because Sakurai is too polite to reiterate his year old request? The whole "He's an influencer so he should just deal with it" mentality is just really ****ty, tone deaf, and entitled.

Per Harada himself: "We listen and value opinions, requests and feedback. However, spam due to a large amount of tagging and replying interferes with normal communication. I always listen to opinions, but spam and tagging are not welcome. It ’s simple. 99.999% of gamers will not be spammers. So the minority will not make the image worse. However, the spammer's voice is sometimes misunderstood as a majority in the internet community, or the voice looks loud. This is a kind of noise and very annoying"

 

[Slime Scholar]

I really dont think we gotta worry about Harada all that much. He’s losing his crap over one tagging. This kind of stuff happens to influencers all the time, he better get used to it. I doubt Sakurai cares that much. This stuff has obviously happened to him for years, he probably doesnt even have notifications on. Plus Harada really doesnt have anything to do with Smash even if he’s friends with Sakurai. He’s still salty over Sans and the Heihachi costume still hasnt come back. I think his attitude is pretty d*mning for Tekken as #5 or in wave 2.
And if youre worried about fanbases being attacked, I wouldnt. These kinds of things blow over in a few days constantly in the smash community.

This is absurd. Harada isn't salty about Heihachi or whatever and right now he isn't even working on just Tekken (he's now General Manager at Bandai Namco). Smash fans need to realize that not everyone cares about their game the way they do.

It's true that this probably won't have any tangible effect on Smash DLC but some people need to wake up and realize when they're being ****ing annoying. The selfishness of this community really shows itself when Smash fans are more concerned about whether or not something had an adverse effect on their character's chances than they are about acting rude.

Edit: Just wanted to clarify that I’ve seen this sentiment in a few places now and that I’m not trying to drag anyone in particular over it.