Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[wynn728]

I don't even remember using the word "pattern", it's 2 out of 3 so far, it's a statistical likelihood. When it becomes 3/4 and 4/5 will it be a pattern with an exception? I think so. Really, if there's no pattern, why didn't they go ahead and drop the Geno costume on us next to Sans? That's two "niche" characters that would have been killed right then and there, with the exception that the costume actually made Sans fans happy since that's more than he deserved they ever expected.

I can't answer on why they do the things they do. I'm still questioning why they announced Terry Bogard exactly one month after EVO when Smash Bros was ending the entire event. All I can do is look at what has happen and try to see things in different angles on what it could mean and why they would do that.

 

[Rohanx17]

My mind's all over the place nowadays but didn't the WoL slots total up to ten additional characters, after Plant? Obviously anything can change but if it was ten slots and he got it, he hit the nail on the head. Even if it was more, I'll give him credit for the ballsy guess after 5 were announced and before any datamining got done.

There are 10 slots after plant and the fighters pass so 16 total. So the legitamacy of the 10 total claim rests solely on his shoulders right now.

 

[Sour Supreme]

Terry's reveal was definetely odd. Do you guys think the lack of gameplay is indicative of Terry's state of development, or was Sakurai trying to leave his set up to imagination before he drops? Obviously they could have shown us more, but why didn't they?

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Yeah I'm pretty sure that there's not enough of us Geno fans out there to have just completely ruined Hero's presentation by including him there. Obviously it would make me way saltier about Hero getting in, but by now, even I would have gotten over it.


The English language would like to have a word with you.

I don't even remember using the word "pattern", it's 2 out of 3 so far, it's a statistical likelihood. When it becomes 3/4 and 4/5 will it be a pattern with an exception? I think so. Really, if there's no pattern, why didn't they go ahead and drop the Geno costume on us next to Sans? That's two "niche" characters that would have been killed right then and there, with the exception that the costume actually made Sans fans happy since that's more than he deserved they ever expected.

No, I said it was a pattern because it is.
Joker came with Sega costumes
Hero came with Square-Enix costumes
Banjo & Kazooie came with mixed fighters. It's only like that because Microsoft is *still* one of their greatest rivals regardless on whether Banjo got in or not. If they couldn't come to a compromise, then yeah, that's understandable. If we get a Sony character, I wouldn't expect any costumes because, again, *it's one of their greatest rivals in the economic world.*

 

[Rohanx17]

Terry's reveal was definetely odd. Do you guys think the lack of gameplay is indicative of Terry's state of development, or was Sakurai trying to leave his set up to imagination before he drops? Obviously they could have shown us more, but why didn't they?

I think they were really showing all they had at the time, luckily at the time would have been around july at the latest so I think there still making good progress

 

[Sour Supreme]

I think they were really showing all they had at the time, luckily at the time would have been around july at the latest so I think there still making good progress

That's right. I almost forgot they filmed all of that the same day as Banjo's reveal.

 

[Rohanx17]

That's right. I almost forgot they filmed all of that the same day as Banjo's reveal.

Well we know for a fact the banjo and hero videos were worked on succession so if hero was ready to show in early July then so was banjo. I guess it's possible the Terry footage and reveal were put together later and smoothed over with movie magic but that seems really unlikely to me given the timeframe of everything else.

But yeah even if the model, at least 2 specials, and the rough draft of the stage was all they had that still looks really good for the release schedule, I believe reveal 5 will likely come with Terry and if were really lucky release in 2019

 

[JarBear]

I think trying to see a pattern is much different than making "rules" ... as many fans have been doing sadly ... but we can see some "loose" patterns in things. Nothing wrong with that.

DLC fighters have been releasing "around" the time of new line of amiibos. People were trying to define it so specifically, such as "within 5/set amount of days of the next amiibo release. But with Banjo, the gap was much bigger than the "rule". However, you can still see there is a "patten" that the fighter releases "sometime" around an amiibo launch ... which has been at least the same month so far. So, for the time being, there is that pattern if viewed that way.

Ok, so now with Mii costumes. The concept that Mii fighter costumes are from the same company is out with Banjo. However, at this moment, we are comparing apples to oranges with Banjo compared to the other 2 released fighters and the ownership of Terry (SNK). Joker and Hero are from gaming studios in which the mii costumes came from properties they own. These studios are NOT owned by console makers like Nintendo, Sony (Playstation) or Microsoft (Xbox). Now with Banjo, he comes from Rare that is OWNED by a competitor, Microsoft. So we see there is a difference already with the previous fighters (and Terry, but cannot confirm totally since he hasn't been released with Mii costumes!).

So a pattern we can see, at least thus far, is gaming companies NOT owned by a console maker came with mii costumes based on assets they own. Banjo's case is different since his studio (Rare) is owned by Microsoft (console maker/competitor).

Obviously, I am not making a rule or saying this is the way it works or will work with the rest of the DLC. However, we can at least see some kind of pattern so far with what we got.

Patterns get broken and who knows how things will go with Geno and any of the other yet-to-be-released-missing-Mii-costumes. But there is nothing wrong with seeing patterns ... just trying to make them rules or "facts" is a waste of time. But still fun to think about and discuss since we are all going stir crazy with Geno and his Mii costume....

 

[Firox]

i actually want Tifa now after hearing this.

Considering the current sausage fest of DLC characters (yet another if Ryu is #5), I could see Tifa as a viable pick for the next fighter's pass as long as SE is up for it. Not to say that I believe the DLC HAS to have a certain amount of female characters, but I feel that Sakurai is the type to notice the current trend of human male characters.

 

[Deleted member]

And recolors. I really want him to have a metal costume with a red cape and cap, to represent Smithy.

There better be a metal costume for Geno so I can relive my 12-year old OC inspired from Geno.

 

[wynn728]

Terry's reveal was definetely odd. Do you guys think the lack of gameplay is indicative of Terry's state of development, or was Sakurai trying to leave his set up to imagination before he drops? Obviously they could have shown us more, but why didn't they?

Well seeing how Nintendo has been tweeting a lot about Terry releasing in November recently I think it's safe to say that Terry is coming along just fine. Plus it's not that hard to imagine how Terry would play so they really don't need to show anything. Instead just say the character is getting in and have people get curious by looking up Fatal Fury/King of Fighters stuff to get an idea of how Terry will plays. All you need to do is just watch a short video and you already got a great idea of how Terry going to play. It's like how Ryu fights exactly like in does in Street Fighter when it comes to Smash Bros. (in fact, I believe just about every move Ryu does came from Street Fighters game, but it's also possible they might've gave some of Akuma's moves for him for a grab I think.)

 

[Sigran101]

No, I said it was a pattern because it is.
Joker came with Sega costumes
Hero came with Square-Enix costumes
Banjo & Kazooie came with mixed fighters. It's only like that because Microsoft is *still* one of their greatest rivals regardless on whether Banjo got in or not. If they couldn't come to a compromise, then yeah, that's understandable. If we get a Sony character, I wouldn't expect any costumes because, again, *it's one of their greatest rivals in the economic world.*

A pattern is 3 or more instances. That's the general rule.

 

[SSGuy]

I think we will be getting some SNK costumes with Terry. One def from Metal Slug and some other KoF characters.

But I think this is also a great time for them to bring back the costumes or Heihachi, Akira and Jackie.

 

[Rohanx17]

Yeah I'm expecting any returning fighter costumes to be with Terry so I wouldn't be surprised if we get 6 again or even more

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Considering the current sausage fest of DLC characters (yet another if Ryu is #5), I could see Tifa as a viable pick for the next fighter's pass as long as SE is up for it. Not to say that I believe the DLC HAS to have a certain amount of female characters, but I feel that Sakurai is the type to notice the current trend of human male characters.

I’d think 2B makes way more sense than Tifa for a female Square Enix Rep. you’d get another beloved new character from Yako Taro in that is also a female and from a growing brand too.

 

[Sour Supreme]

Can't even tell the difference between this thread and Newcomer Speculation at the moment, lol.

 

[JarBear]

Can't even tell the difference between this thread and Newcomer Speculation at the moment, lol.

Go Geno!

 

[MisterMike]

So I got bored and decided to make some mock-ups of what I think Geno's alt colors could be. Let me know what you think.

Spoiler: Color Explainations

Alt 1 - Default colors, based on his character art.
Alt 2 - Baby blue alt, resembling his in-game in Super Mario RPG. Brighter blue, brown eyes and more faded orange for his hair.
Alt 3 - Purple alt, based on his poisoned palette. I made his hair a bit more brownish, thought it'd look better.
Alt 4 - Yellow alt, based on the statues in Nimbus Land. I opted for blue accents so it wouldn't look too monotonous.
Alt 5 - White alt, based on Mallow. I'm actually impressed with how well this works.
Alt 6 - Green alt, based on Bowyer. I was originally going to make this a red alt, but I was struggling to think of something/someone significant that was green to base it on.
Alt 7 - Red alt, based on Yaridovich. Not gonna lie, I really like this one.
Alt 8 - Black alt, based on Smithy. Originally, I was going to make an entirely grey alt based on the Machine Made versions of the Smithy Gang leaders, but I thought that would be too boring and opted for this.

 

[xpnc]

So I got bored and decided to make some mock-ups of what I think Geno's alt colors could be. Let me know what you think.

They're good but I'd be a bit bummed out if he didn't have a Star Cape alt.

 

[ForsakenM]

I’d think 2B makes way more sense than Tifa for a female Square Enix Rep. you’d get another beloved new character from Yako Taro in that is also a female and from a growing brand too.

Sorry, but FF7 will always be bigger than Nier: Automata. FF7's side characters will always be bigger than 2B, which means that Tifa will definitely always be bigger than 2B and thus Tifa would make WAY more sense than including 2B. Besides, 2B is already in Soul Calibur 6, and if you haven't noticed, very rarely will a character make multiple guest appearances in different fighting games unless there is been an expansive amount of time between appearances.

Even so, Tifa would be better included in Tekken anyway. If there is a Square character that is still to be in Smash, it's Geno or Sora. If you think anyone else is even remotely possible then you are kind of kidding yourself, no offense.

Also, someone on the last page said they would be okay with Geno Gunner Costume returning, to which I have to say...

THIS AIN'T IT CHIEF!

 

[Nemuresu]

So I guess every character deserves to be mocked and ridiculed for never making it in. Look forward to more of that when Geno still isn't in.

No. All I say is that this isn't a case of bullying, but bigger issues behind. Stop trying to make it look like everyone is innocent here when different people already got history being jack***es.

... You do know that XB2 came out after Smash Bros Ultimate and they stated that due to the production time of things Rex & Pyra were introduced too late to get into Smash Bros, right?

Yes, but that doesn't mean Smash helped Xenoblade or anything. Otherwise, why is it that the game was still successful despite no Rex in Smash?

The Dragon Quest series hasn't really been successful here in the states, which was why Dragon Quest got into Smash Bros to help it. Sakurai stated himself that he believe that Smash Bros can be used to promote games and make them more popular, and Nintendo agrees to that as well. Which is why when they're trying to make sure a game sells well they will mention Smash Bros, just like how they say that Smash & Metroid fans should get Samus Returns and how Smash Bros is constantly mention in anything related to Dragon Quest XI S. If they kept doing that then I believe it's safe to say that Smash Bros does have power to make franchises more successful, if not they why keep doing that?

Mentions don't have any power at all. Otherwise why is it that we haven't heard about more Xbox One's being sold in Japan or a greater amount of sales for Rare Replay despite Sakurai saying that you could go play the game there?

In case you haven't realized it yet, we don't have any actual numbers on DQXIS' sales in America. All that's available are japanese numbers. So what proof do you have to say that DQ benefitted from Smash at all?

Oh yes, none.

Did you not read my comment early? I did state that "Assist Trophy is usually a death sentence for the series," which means that if a character gets in as an Assist Trophy then their series just wound up dead because nobody had interest in them anymore. Being a fighter is what gives a popularity boost, being an Assist Trophy just means you're garbage.
f you go back to see Brawl's original Assist Trophies you would see that a lot had one title afterwards which all sold bad and never got a continuation.

If you want to prove me on what I'm typing then please actually read my comment.

So Shovel Knight is garbage because he wasn't playable despite having a new title coming in December? Don't want to know what you think of the new Brain Age on Switch if Assists were such a death sentence, or any of the popular ballot characters that got shafted like Zero (in Dive, the X and Zero collections), Alucard (Requiem) or Knuckles (TSR).

Next time try to not to use the black and white morality if you're only gonna use a pair of characters to prove it.

Regardless of the fact people kept on asking for it and there's so much demand which happen because of Smash Bros help introduce Lucas to the western audience that most likely didn't even know about Mother 3.

Lucas was going to be added regardless of whether Mother 3 released overseas or not. It's been over ten years since Brawl released and just a little less when the unofficial translation came out and we still haven't heard of Nintendo tackling on an official localization.

???
Well first of all that's completely untrue because after Smash Bros people were asking for a Kid Icarus revival and Nintendo had plans to make a Kid Icarus game on the Wii without Sakurai and working with Factor 5 for it. Remember? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF3cqKxfxaw
Sakurai wasn't going to make a Kid Icarus game until Iwata requested it.
Kid Icarus Uprising ended up being the 10th best selling title in 3DS library and probably one of the best influence that helped Kid Icarus series gain a lot of traction was because people played as Pit in Smash Bros Brawl.

Also Sakurai stated that he doesn't really like sequels which is a reason why he left Hal Laboratory and stopped making Kirby games. Him not being interested in making another Kid Icarus game isn't an example of Smash's lack on impact on the usage of IPs, that's just how Sakurai is. Plus he and his team are have been busy with Smash Bros for a really long time.

Even if Sakurai didn't want to work in another Kid Icarus, why couldn't Nintendo do it then? It's not like they ever nagged at HAL for not involving him anymore in their Kirby projects.

You say Uprising was successful, then it should've guaranteed something, but it didn't.

Having a character be playable helps strengthen the IP itself by having it be their first introduction to them and wanting to get more invested into the series. We saw plenty of people wanting to try out Castlevania games when Simon was revealed.

Castlevania had requests on the Ballot and they got listened. It didn't have anything to do with promotional purposes.

We saw the demand of Kid Icarus after Pit was playable in Brawl.

And it all amounted to a one-shot game.

We even see people get more interested in Dragon Quest after they got a chance to play as Hero in Ultimate.

Yet we haven't heard of any sale numbers here. Not even if they are higher than the 4 million copies in PS4 and PC.

When you get to play as the character there is more of a connection you get, so having a character like, let's say, Min Min as a playable character gets people talking and wanting to check out more of the series. That has been proven.

As for Golden Sun, Starfy and Punch-Out well none of them were playable in Brawl, so most people didn't get that same connection that they did with the other playable character. It was a character that showed up for a bit and disappears, leaving absolutely no impact.

Oh sure, Little Mac in Brawl had such little connection with the players that it gave them a motivation to ask for him to be in the next game and succeeded at it.

It's not a thing about being a playable character in Smash, it's whether Nintendo finds the idea of a new entry in an IP to be worth investing, and those titles wouldn't have been worth jack **** even if the characters were playable.

Let's paint an easy example for this. Being playable is like Marvel giving one of their series a movie. Majority of people didn't know about Guardian of the Galaxy, but once Marvel made it part of the MCU and made it a great movie more people got interested in that series. It was like a D-list series that rocket up to being well know.

Smash=/=the MCU

Smash couldn't save any franchises at all. It couldn't do it for any of the ones you listed, why would it do something like the Guardians of the Galaxy?

Being an Assist Trophy is like being a Ready Player One cameo. Sure you're there in the background, but the appearance is so short that it doesn't register with you. So you're not going to be that interested in seeing where that character came from or what they were about because you just don't care. I had to constantly remind myself that Sonic was in that movie and I'm a huge Sonic fan.

The whole deal with RPO is that they've got a lot of cameos for all sorts of pop culture characters, like Spawn, Chun-Li, Tracer and even Mechagodzilla. Nobody who watched that movie took offense over any of those characters simply because that was the whole point.

I don't know why you're trying to downplay Smash Bros contribute or saying it doesn't have the impact we think it does when we clearly see that it does by getting people curious about it. Like crap, look at how Piranha Plant got a fanbase. If a generic enemy that people barely talked about before gets all this popularity then it's safe to say that there is some kind of magic in Smash Bros.

Oh sure, blame Piranha Plant for everything that doesn't go your way. It's not like it's a generic mook that you can see in every freaking Mario game out there, that pops up in all sorts of merchandise and even appeared in a Super Mario RPG commercial, right?

If including characters in Smash was so magical, then why didn't Nintendo make another Punch Out after Little Mac got as a playable character, why did it take so many years for Mega Man to finally get another game, or why is it that the only new Castlevania title coming soon is just a ****ty phone game that nobody cares about and its only recent one is a compilation that Sony put their money on?

Pretty sure most people bought the DLC without knowing it was going to be all third party titles.

We had Joker being revealed a day before Smash came out, and Sakurai told people not to invest money in it if they weren't ready to accept what would come. That's much those people's problem if they couldn't be bothered to understand that there were many possibilities they could be getting into by buying the pass bindly.

 

[Rohanx17]

I've said it before but I really hope the cape designs are used for the costumes before choosing recolors. Star cape looks great but there are lots of other good ones too

 

[TheCJBrine]

'Murica Geno or riot.

 

["LC"_Lapen]

So apparently HMK made a video on how Sora from Kingdom Hearts still has a roster shot, which is apparently enough to get it trending on Twitter (or if there's another reason, I don't know it).

Spoiler

I realize that we're kind of handicapped here with our particular Square character not having the kind of relevance Sora does, but I'd sure like to wake up one day to see #Geno4Smash on my Twitter feed. Not sure how we'd arrive at such a dream scenario, but hopefully some talented or high profile individual out there can eventually put something together like a fan animation or some such project to give us something to spread the love like Sora managed to do today.

 

[Sour Supreme]

So I got bored and decided to make some mock-ups of what I think Geno's alt colors could be. Let me know what you think.
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Spoiler: Color Explainations

Alt 1 - Default colors, based on his character art.
Alt 2 - Baby blue alt, resembling his in-game in Super Mario RPG. Brighter blue, brown eyes and more faded orange for his hair.
Alt 3 - Purple alt, based on his poisoned palette. I made his hair a bit more brownish, thought it'd look better.
Alt 4 - Yellow alt, based on the statues in Nimbus Land. I opted for blue accents so it wouldn't look too monotonous.
Alt 5 - White alt, based on Mallow. I'm actually impressed with how well this works.
Alt 6 - Green alt, based on Bowyer. I was originally going to make this a red alt, but I was struggling to think of something/someone significant that was green to base it on.
Alt 7 - Red alt, based on Yaridovich. Not gonna lie, I really like this one.
Alt 8 - Black alt, based on Smithy. Originally, I was going to make an entirely grey alt based on the Machine Made versions of the Smithy Gang leaders, but I thought that would be too boring and opted for this.

These are spot on. I feel like the Yaridovich or Smithy one would suffice. (Really prefer the Yaridovich one, basically what I was envisioning.) Star cape alt would be so sick though. Match Mario's Golf alt.

 

[SSGuy]

So apparently HMK made a video on how Sora from Kingdom Hearts still has a roster shot, which is apparently enough to get it trending on Twitter (or if there's another reason, I don't know it).

Spoiler

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I realize that we're kind of handicapped here with our particular Square character not having the kind of relevance Sora does, but I'd sure like to wake up one day to see #Geno4Smash on my Twitter feed. Not sure how we'd arrive at such a dream scenario, but hopefully some talented or high profile individual out there can eventually put something together like a fan animation or some such project to give us something to spread the love like Sora managed to do today.

We really need to find a way to compete with this. <content redacted> can up stage us and the hard work we have put in.

 

[Ovaltine]

We really need to find a way to compete with this. I'll be damned if this little twink can up stage us and the hard work we have put in.

Yes, yes, we already know you don't like Sora. Please stop acting as immature as you do about him. Seriously.

 

[MisterMike]

So apparently HMK made a video on how Sora from Kingdom Hearts still has a roster shot, which is apparently enough to get it trending on Twitter (or if there's another reason, I don't know it).

Spoiler

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I realize that we're kind of handicapped here with our particular Square character not having the kind of relevance Sora does, but I'd sure like to wake up one day to see #Geno4Smash on my Twitter feed. Not sure how we'd arrive at such a dream scenario, but hopefully some talented or high profile individual out there can eventually put something together like a fan animation or some such project to give us something to spread the love like Sora managed to do today.

Well, Arlo got #RemasterThousandYearDoor trending when he released his video, so I don't think this means much.

 

[ForsakenM]

Smash couldn't save any franchises at all. It couldn't do it for any of the ones you listed, why would it do something like the Guardians of the Galaxy?

So I'm assuming you are spitting hot fire at wrynn here, and I gotta say I admire that spirit, but I DO need to point something out here...

Two Words: Fire Emblem.

Melee's inclusion of Marth and Roy have been all but universally acknowledge as leading to interest in the series in the West and leading to new life being breathed into the series. Not saying it caused the series to be super successful, but it kinda did. In the VERY least, it did help.

Smash does in fact breathe some amount of life into franchises of the characters they include as playable, even if it's merely just pulling up a lot of requests from fans who now realize how much they want more from the franchise itself. Of course investment from companies and devs are required for anything to really happen, but Smash is really good and bringing new franchise sales to Nintendo fans and bringing fans over into Smash when their fav character makes it in, so it's not like they have no impact at all...it's just not quite as big as some people make it out to be.

I would argue that Smash could begin to have this much clout however.

We really need to find a way to compete with this. I'll be damned if this little twink can up stage us and the hard work we have put in.

Spoiler: ......

 

[SSGuy]

Yes, yes, we already know you don't like Sora. Please stop acting as immature as you do about him. Seriously.

Who is being negative? I'm using this as motivation for the next step. It is just annoying how much work we have been putting into our character and seeing just one content creator literally just coming out of the blue and sweeping the rug out from under us. First with Arlo when we launched OSF and now this.

If it does one thing for me, it motivates me to keep going.

I have ideas to think about now...

 

[Ovaltine]

Who is being negative? I'm using this as motivation for the next step. It is just annoying how much work we have been putting into our character and seeing just one content creator literally just coming out of the blue and sweeping the rug out from under us. First with Arlo when we launched OSF and now this.

If it does one thing for me, it motivates me to keep going.

I have ideas to think about now...

I know, I want Geno to have more love and backing, too... but saying stuff like, "I'll be damned if this little twink can up stage us and the hard work we have put in," comes off as being rather disparaging.

 

[Sour Supreme]

> "Sora is a little Twink"
> "Geno is just when Mario woke up with a bad case of morning wood"

Same energy. Same level of ignorance. Always be bigger.

 

[SSGuy]

> "Sora is a little Twink"
> "Geno is just when Mario woke up with a bad case of morning wood"

Same energy. Same level of ignorance. Always be bigger.

It's really hard man with the history I have had with them....

For now, I have work to do.

 

[Ovaltine]

> "Sora is a little Twink"
> "Geno is just when Mario woke up with a bad case of morning wood"

Same energy. Same level of ignorance. Always be bigger.

No, there's an obvious difference here:

The Geno derogatory remark is actually funny.

 

[wynn728]

So bloody weird to see Sora trending for Smash Bros.

 

[Sour Supreme]

It's really hard man with the history I have had with them....

For now, I have work to do.

Hey man, I get it. I always appreciate what you bring to discussion. But the poorly built, empty insults that people would fling at Geno are no different than what we could fling back. We should know that those kinds of statements discredit us a fandom more than anything. I wouldn't even be butt hurt about Sora, I know that people love Kingdom Hearts to death. I'd be happy for them if they somehow managed to overcome the **** show that is that intellectual property.

But, seriously. Be careful what you say about Sora...
Donald keeps that thang on him.

No, there's an obvious difference here:

The Geno derogatory remark is actually funny.

Probably because a Geno fan came up with it.

 

[Sour Supreme]

This Double-post is brought to you by the Smithy Gang.

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[Nemuresu]

So I'm assuming you are spitting hot fire at wrynn here, and I gotta say I admire that spirit, but I DO need to point something out here...

Two Words: Fire Emblem.

Melee's inclusion of Marth and Roy have been all but universally acknowledge as leading to interest in the series in the West and leading to new life being breathed into the series. Not saying it caused the series to be super successful, but it kinda did. In the VERY least, it did help.

Smash does in fact breathe some amount of life into franchises of the characters they include as playable, even if it's merely just pulling up a lot of requests from fans who now realize how much they want more from the franchise itself. Of course investment from companies and devs are required for anything to really happen, but Smash is really good and bringing new franchise sales to Nintendo fans and bringing fans over into Smash when their fav character makes it in, so it's not like they have no impact at all...it's just not quite as big as some people make it out to be.

I would argue that Smash could begin to have this much clout however.

I would like to agree with that, but there's an issue with it.

Remember that Fire Emblem wasn't a titan back when Nintendo localized Blazing Sword. In the meantime, the series wasn't successful, and Intelligent Systems was ready to pull the plug on localizations if Awakening didn't succeed in sales. And of course, Awakening exceeded expectations and turned the series into the behemoth that it is today.

But of course, Awakening didn't need Smash to be successful (since it released two years prior to 4), and I certainly wouldn't blame it over the GBA and GameCube titles not selling well despite giving Nintendo the incentive to localize the series to begin with.

Point being, Smash is not magical. Investment from companies and fans is required to keep these obscure IPs on the run, and it's not as notable as people make it look like.

 

[Qeomash]

Golden Sun, Sin and Punishment, and Kid Icarus all received new sequels after their main characters' appearances in Brawl.

None of them have gotten a second new sequel.

 

[ZelDan]

Who is being negative? I'm using this as motivation for the next step. It is just annoying how much work we have been putting into our character and seeing just one content creator literally just coming out of the blue and sweeping the rug out from under us. First with Arlo when we launched OSF and now this.

If it does one thing for me, it motivates me to keep going.

I have ideas to think about now...

So no one else should be able to try and make a case for any other characters they like, just because it might interfere with Geno's movement? that's pretty selfish if I'm going to be blunt.

And why are you bringing Arlo into this? Wasn't his thing about the Paper Mario series? he probably wasn't even thinking of Smash.