Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Glitch-EGamer]

There is a chance Geno could lose but I think showcasing his potential as a fighter would bring more positives than negatives. It isn't like people are celebrating the death of Harry Potter or Batman as if it would be this terrific thing.

Also keep in mind, what makes you think Geno would ever lose

Fair point but seriously, Sans makes more sense on paper than Skull Kid but that's just me.

 

[Firox]

I think Sakurai can make Mallow apart of the move set. (Even if that means we may getting a tether grab out of the character) It would be worth it for getting Mallow in

So my next big project I am working on is advertising Geno to participate in Death Battle to gather interest to a wider audience and have they witness him as a fighter. It might gather so new fans out of the deal. ScrewAttack has an official suggestion form and we would be foolish not to pass this up.

I think we can even make it a collaborative effort with Skull Kid's community since I think the two go hand in hand as a fighting pair.


-Both have only played one major role in a game. (Rest are cameos or never to be heard from again)
-Both (♪!? and Majora) are Demi-God level beings possessing wooden vessels. One wants to save their world. The other wants to destroy theirs.
-Both are from legendary Nintendo franchises (Mario and Zelda)

I think the similarities are too good to pass up. If you guys are interested, I am looking to advertise this idea on Operation StarFall.

Here is the Official Death Battle form so I suggest filling it out with the following information

CONTACT SCREW ATTACK!! I gotta see this!!

 

[SSGuy]

Fair point but seriously, Sans makes more sense on paper than Skull Kid but that's just me.

I think Geno/Skull Kid would be a way more interesting fight considering their history and origin (the whole possessing wooden beings thing) really fits closer to me than Sans. Besides, if you are going solely on popular characters win (which isn't the case at all for most) then Sans would probably win for being a meme. It also doesn't seem to be a battle taken seriously if Sans was in it.

Geno/Skull Kid seems the best route to go if I am being honest.

CONTACT SCREW ATTACK!! I gotta see this!!

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdLOlKAHrl0y0BYppKsxS9XP5B3HREj8pqdOK73vx_ETpNVVg/viewform

 

[Qeomash]

Maybe it's just me being hyper-competitive but I don't really see what kind of Mario Party gameplay even the most casual Smashers are looking for to think Pokeballs and Assist Trophies are fun. I mean, I agree with you that they should have been reserved for massive characters, characters that can't fight, even in a non-traditional way, etc, but as a game mechanic I don't entirely understand where a person can derive fun from them.

It's really fun when you're down in lives, and you pick up a good pokeball or AT that just wrecks your opponent and evens it up again.

That being said, super casuals often have no idea what's going on in the first place, let alone that they just unfairly murdered someone with an assist trophy.

 

[Rohanx17]

That sounds neat. So who do you all think would win?

 

[CannonStreak]

CONTACT SCREW ATTACK!! I gotta see this!!

Did you know? Screw Attack is no more. It is just Death Battle now.

 

[Deleted member]

That sounds neat. So who do you all think would win?

The last deathbattle I watched took non-canon information into account to provide a win so, who has the most overpowered moves outside of their canon appearance?

There's your answer.

 

[SSGuy]

The last deathbattle I watched took non-canon information into account to provide a win so, who has the most overpowered moves outside of their canon appearance?

There's your answer.

Geno Whirl crit-slicing the moon in half?

 

[Rohanx17]

The last deathbattle I watched took non-canon information into account to provide a win so, who has the most overpowered moves outside of their canon appearance?

There's your answer.

I meant in general I wasn't talking about death battle.

Genos lack of screen time hurts him but it's possible some stuff could extrapolated through other star spirits feats. Majora is nuts though so with no research I'd say it goes to him.

I haven't watched death battle since they I introduced the cringy character illustrations. Are they really that bad now?

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

My only problem is the fact that they don't take all the important parts into account. My prime example: Dedede vs Wario. I may have a bias towards Dedede but at last I'LL admit it shouldn't have been THAT easy. Dedede's main weakness is literally mind control and possession, mind control being something Wario is certainly capable of. Even if he couldn't kill with that, they don't even mention Dedede's weakness to it OR Wario's hypnosis but they count his completely Smash-only waft, which is an ability Wario has never shown outside of Smash Bros.

 

[SSGuy]

The only Death Battle I think they ever got wrong would be Tracer/Scout. They completely screwed up how BONK! functions just to give Tracer a chance of winning.

Bonk! isn't making Scout invincible (which is what they went with) the point of Bonk is that it has so much sugar that it slows time to a literal crawl for Scout. So if you really think about it, Bonk would allow Scout to keep up with any time Tracer blinks and he can basically set up to meat shot her.

If you put any TF2 character against their Overwatch clon- counterpart, TF2 would wipe the floor's of Dust Bowl with them.


Unrelated fanboy moment, but it was still a problem!

 

[Grumbo]

I think some of you are taking the whole assist/piranha plant thing the wrong way. There’s no malicious intent meant in assist trophies. Obviously there is a disconnect with fan and develop understanding on this issue. I still believe that the rathalos pic was hinting at Isaac, but just his assist trophy. Sakurai thought we’d all be excited to see him back.

Sakurai has always strived to do his best with Smash. He knows he can’t please everyone, whether the cause be time or money, but he wants to make both the vocal and silent communities happy. Thats why we got Krool, Ridley, and Banjo, but also got Isabelle, Daisy, and Inkling. The man works himself to bone. I believe he was hospitalized after melee and had an IV hooked up during Ultimate. He’s stuck with the games for two decades and counting. The man clearly cares immensely. I dont wanna insult anyone but to think that the developers tried to intentionally anger fans is very pessimistic and narrowminded. Yes we dont have Geno or Isaac or anyone of those assists/spirits but theyre not impossible, and it doesnt mean they hate the fans.

Maybe some of the less kind-spirited members in the community mad the plant into something bad, but that was never the intent. The team probably just wanted to make a simple, funny character they hoped people would enjoy. I think plant was meant to be base roster, but they ran out of time. He was free for two/three months anyways.

We gotta have a better mindset on these kinds of things. Wallowing in our anger wont do anything except make us more angry. Even without Geno, this game has so much content and made with such love and care. All past fighters returned, an insane number of stage (many old favorites built from the ground up), a number of “impossible” characters, about 1000 songs, and a roster of 80 and counting.
Sorry for the rant

Edit: Also I dont mean that you can’t criticize Sakurai or the team, I do it myself alot. Just meant to point out that there arent bad intentions to the stuff we dont like.

 

[wynn728]

Gotta feel bad for Mallow if Geno gets in. He'll be the only party member from SMRPG who isn't playable in Smash.

I'm sure they'll incorporate Mallow to be part of Geno's moveset so he can appear in the Smash Bros Ultimate Mural just like Slime and Morgana. They could have it were Mallow appears when Geno taunts, and if they want to go the extra mile they can have Mallow appear when Geno use his grab and throw attack. I imagine it be like Geno is grabbing his opponent and Mallow appears behind Geno and whacks the opponent with his frog cane and for a down throw Geno fire off bullet while Mallow cast a weather attack. I feel like they would have to do that so they can get all 5 Super Mario RPG Party Members back in one game.

 

[Deleted member]

The only Death Battle I think they ever got wrong would be Tracer/Scout. They completely screwed up how BONK! functions just to give Tracer a chance of winning.

Bonk! isn't making Scout invincible (which is what they went with) the point of Bonk is that it has so much sugar that it slows time to a literal crawl for Scout. So if you really think about it, Bonk would allow Scout to keep up with any time Tracer blinks and he can basically set up to meat shot her.

If you put any TF2 character against their Overwatch clon- counterpart, TF2 would wipe the floor's of Dust Bowl with them.


Unrelated fanboy moment, but it was still a problem!

My gripe was in particular the battle of the different Mega Man incarnations. It's one of those instances where I went in expecting Mega Man.EXE to win, but when he did win, it was due to some stuff mentioned in the manga and the anime, both of which really shouldn't be taken into consideration. Sure, they counted X's manga stuff, too, but that doesn't necessarily make it ok. Didn't help that it was a 4 way fight, I feel like Mega Man Trigger got pretty undersold in that.

But yeah in general I think some facts are embellished or ignored to make things more interesting or to maybe serve the video creator's personal bias. Not a great place to throw two fan favorite characters into the ring so that one goes home more of a loser than they already are.

Spoiler: for the record though

of course Geno wins the fight are you kidding me

 

[Grumbo]

I'm sure they'll incorporate Mallow to be part of Geno's moveset so he can appear in the Smash Bros Ultimate Mural just like Slime and Morgana. They could have it were Mallow appears when Geno taunts, and if they want to go the extra mile they can have Mallow appear when Geno use his grab and throw attack. I imagine it be like Geno is grabbing his opponent and Mallow appears behind Geno and whacks the opponent with his frog cane and for a down throw Geno fire off bullet while Mallow cast a weather attack. I feel like they would have to do that so they can get all 5 Super Mario RPG Party Members back in one game.

At the very least I think Mallow will be a background character. All the stages frpm the fighters pass have them (including Terry). Maybe a victory animation as well.

 

[Megadoomer]

The only Death Battle I think they ever got wrong would be Tracer/Scout. They completely screwed up how BONK! functions just to give Tracer a chance of winning.

Bonk! isn't making Scout invincible (which is what they went with) the point of Bonk is that it has so much sugar that it slows time to a literal crawl for Scout. So if you really think about it, Bonk would allow Scout to keep up with any time Tracer blinks and he can basically set up to meat shot her.

If you put any TF2 character against their Overwatch clon- counterpart, TF2 would wipe the floor's of Dust Bowl with them.


Unrelated fanboy moment, but it was still a problem!

Personally, I had a problem with Dante vs. Bayonetta, where they downplayed or ignored Dante's moments of weakness throughout the series, heavily exaggerated Bayonetta's moments of weakness, and used a one-off cutscene from DMC3 that is contradicted once the game reaches that point as proof of Dante's abilities.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Personally, I'm still going to say Majora doesn't work well for Geno in a Death Battle. This could, theoretically, be another Bowser vs Ganondorf, where Majora can only die via holy weapons and the battle be completely one-sided because of a lack of fan research. This is why Thanos vs Darkseid is good on paper but they made it to where it was completely one-sided in Darkseid's favor. Research before you make that commitment. At least Sans CAN die by normal means.

 

[Deleted member]

At least make him a stage hazard or something if Geno gets in with a stage pls Soccerguy

Given how all of the DLC stages work so far, Mallow being a background object would be his most likely fate. Mementos has all of the Persona 5 party members (except Goro because **** him), the Dragon Quest stage has a bunch of monsters roaming about, Spiral Mountain's got a bunch of Banjo character including everybody's fan favorite: dragonfly. Hell, even Terry's stage from what we know has KoF characters in the background.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Given how all of the DLC stages work so far, Mallow being a background object would be his most likely fate. Mementos has all of the Persona 5 party members (except Goro because **** him), the Dragon Quest stage has a bunch of monsters roaming about, Spiral Mountain's got a bunch of Banjo character including everybody's fan favorite: dragonfly. Hell, even Terry's stage from what we know has KoF characters in the background.

To be fair, Morgana is in Joker's taunts and slime is in Hero's, so couldn't Mallow show up for those?

 

[Deleted member]

To be fair, Morgana is in Joker's taunts and slime is in Hero's, so couldn't Mallow show up for those?

I mean, I guess it's not impossible. It's not like Morgana's unimportant in Persona 5 so Mallow could be in taunts. Ideal compromise is both Geno and Mallow get in as a dual fighter like Banjo-Kazooie.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I'm going to be honest, having Mallow as the only non-playable SMRPG party member would feel odd.

 

[OffBi]

Well, anything new happening beside the Plant rant?
Like, maybe some new leaks?

 

[Deleted member]

I'm going to be honest, having Mallow as the only non-playable SMRPG party member would feel odd.

Gonna be honest, having Geno as a playable character would feel odd. Remember who we're talking about here.

 

[Grumbo]

Well, anything new happening beside the Plant rant?
Like, maybe some new leaks?

There was a “leak” from someone papagenos talked to but it doesnt seem very likely (Ryu, then Geno, but there wasnt any hard evidence)

Aside from Geno there was a new logo trademarked for Tales Of that looks suspiciously like a smash icon. I think he’s looking pretty likely.
Other than that nothing really substantial.

 

[Plank08]

The only way to make Piranha Plant acceptable is if the next batch of DLC are fan requested characters. We can agree that this current Fighters Pass is specifically for Sakurai when we have Joker, Hero and Terry Bogard; so if the DLC was going to focus majority of his picks then Piranha Plant inclusion will always feel like an "F U" to fan requested characters like Geno, Isaac, Shadow, Waluigi, Skull Kid, ect. who didn't make it in and where given terrible treatement like being an Assist Trophy or a Sprite. The next patch of DLC needs to at the very least give the fans a bone. If we can get more fan requested characters as DLC then Piranha Plant inclusion will be alright, because at this point we'll always look at Piranha Plant and ask "Why did they waste such little time they had to include a character nobody asked for while everyone else get's shafted?"

Also I think we can drop that Piranha Plant inclusion was Sakurai's dream project when he has Joker, Hero and Terry Bogard.

I think we need to stop treating this like this is OUR game, he doesn’t have to do things to “Make it up to us”

 

[OffBi]

There was a “leak” from someone papagenos talked to but it doesnt seem very likely (Ryu, then Geno, but there wasnt any hard evidence)

Aside from Geno there was a new logo trademarked for Tales Of that looks suspiciously like a smash icon. I think he’s looking pretty likely.
Other than that nothing really substantial.

oh, i already knew that stuff, so nothing new?
Alright.

Also here's my profile pic i made.

 

[Firox]

Did you know? Screw Attack is no more. It is just Death Battle now.

CONTACT DEATH BATTLE!! I gotta see this!!

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

oh, i already knew that stuff, so nothing new?
Alright.
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Also here's my profile pic i made.

"What is a puppet? A wonderful pile of fan support! But enough talk, have at you!"

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Gonna be honest, having Geno as a playable character would feel odd. Remember who we're talking about here.

Well difference being that Geno would be odd in a good way while Mallow in a bad way.

 

[Ovaltine]

Well difference being that Geno would be odd in a good way while Mallow in a bad way.

Don't diss Geno's BFF Mallow!!

... but nah, really, I think Mallow would be great to have in Smash, too. I love him just as much as Geno, even if I don't draw him as often rofl.

 

[Firox]

Personally, I'm still going to say Majora doesn't work well for Geno in a Death Battle. This could, theoretically, be another Bowser vs Ganondorf, where Majora can only die via holy weapons and the battle be completely one-sided because of a lack of fan research. This is why Thanos vs Darkseid is good on paper but they made it to where it was completely one-sided in Darkseid's favor. Research before you make that commitment. At least Sans CAN die by normal means.

But wait, does it really take holy weapons to kill Majora? I though the fierce deity could kill him and that ain't exactly the Master Sword. As for Thanos vs Darkseid, I felt that they tried their best not to make it look too one-sided, and if you know your lore, it makes sense that Darkseid would beat Thanos, especially if you take the infinity stones/gauntlet out of the equation. Think about it:

Captain Marvel is = if not stronger than vanilla Thanos
Superman is > than Cpt Marvel due to his absolutely broken lore that makes him beyond godly
Darkseid gives Superman a run for his money in almost any given encounter, thus Darkseid > Thanos
They also pointed out that "snapping" Darkseid out of existence wouldn't work because he can "exist" outside our dimension, so Thanos' trump card doesn't work.

You just have to accept that DC doesn't balance their characters as well as Marvel does. You have a relatively normal human (Batman) rubbing shoulders with virtual gods (Superman) on a regular basis. Half of the comics Justice League is just broken as all hell.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Don't diss Geno's BFF Mallow!!

... but nah, really, I think Mallow would be great to have in Smash, too. I love him just as much as Geno, even if I don't draw him as often rofl.

Oh I was just saying that it'd be weird to have Mallow as the only SMRPG party member to not be playable.

 

[wynn728]

I think we need to stop treating this like this is OUR game, he doesn’t have to do things to “Make it up to us”

Well this game is made to be sold to the public and we can all voice our praises and complaints about it, it all depends on Sakurai and his team whether they follow up on it or not.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

But wait, does it really take holy weapons to kill Majora? I though the fierce deity could kill him and that ain't exactly the Master Sword. As for Thanos vs Darkseid, I felt that they tried their best not to make it look too one-sided, and if you know your lore, it makes sense that Darkseid would beat Thanos, especially if you take the infinity stones/gauntlet out of the equation. Think about it:

Captain Marvel is = if not stronger than vanilla Thanos
Superman is > than Cpt Marvel due to his absolutely broken lore that makes him beyond godly
Darkseid gives Superman a run for his money in almost any given encounter, thus Darkseid > Thanos
They also pointed out that "snapping" Darkseid out of existence wouldn't work because he can "exist" outside our dimension, so Thanos' trump card doesn't work.

You just have to accept that DC doesn't balance their characters as well as Marvel does. You have a relatively normal human (Batman) rubbing shoulders with virtual gods (Superman) on a regular basis. Half of the comics Justice League is just broken as all hell.

I agree on the DC thing but that wasn't my point with Majora. My point was that if you don't put all the research options into account (which they are notorious for doing) and just put two characters together willy nilly, it could be a completely one-sided fight.

Not only that but scaling Geno is really tough because of his one game status. He doesn't have nearly as much growth over the years and in the confines of SMRPG, there isn't much to work with.

 

[catsforlife1]

But wait, does it really take holy weapons to kill Majora? I though the fierce deity could kill him and that ain't exactly the Master Sword. As for Thanos vs Darkseid, I felt that they tried their best not to make it look too one-sided, and if you know your lore, it makes sense that Darkseid would beat Thanos, especially if you take the infinity stones/gauntlet out of the equation. Think about it:

Captain Marvel is = if not stronger than vanilla Thanos
Superman is > than Cpt Marvel due to his absolutely broken lore that makes him beyond godly
Darkseid gives Superman a run for his money in almost any given encounter, thus Darkseid > Thanos
They also pointed out that "snapping" Darkseid out of existence wouldn't work because he can "exist" outside our dimension, so Thanos' trump card doesn't work.

You just have to accept that DC doesn't balance their characters as well as Marvel does. You have a relatively normal human (Batman) rubbing shoulders with virtual gods (Superman) on a regular basis. Half of the comics Justice League is just broken as all hell.

Also with true form darkside it’s a stomp. Dudes literally an outerversal being

 

[SSGuy]

Made a Twitter post about it. Skull Kid group is 100% in.

https://twitter.com/opestarfall/status/1182785394687008776

Let's get to work!

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Yeah, I don't want to crush anything here but Skull Kid is not going end well as an opponent to Geno. Majora has shown absolutely bizzarre levels of power that are vastly superior to most Nintendo characters in general. I would pick someone much more reasonable but it's too late apparently. This battle is definitely not a close one, which is the type of battles they SHOULD have because of that one-sided fear I stated earlier.

I like battles that actually require good, close comparisons to each character and their feats.

 

[SSGuy]

Yeah, I don't want to crush anything here but Skull Kid is not going end well as an opponent to Geno. Majora has shown absolutely bizzarre levels of power that are vastly superior to most Nintendo characters in general. I would pick someone much more reasonable but it's too late apparently. This battle is definitely not a close one, which is the type of battles they SHOULD have because of that one-sided fear I stated earlier.

I like battles that actually require good, close comparisons to each character and their feats.

Yes, but Geno vaporized an entire dimension when he had the seven stars. I think you are selling our guy short. But like I said, it would just be good publicity either way. This isn't going to end up as a joke or meme fight.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Yes, but Geno vaporized an entire dimension when he had the seven stars. I think you are selling our guy short. But like I said, it would just be good publicity either way. This isn't going to end up as a joke or meme fight.

Fair enough...



{Geno destroys entire dimension with the seven stars} *Gurren Lagann Gunmen Intensifies*

 

[T2by4]

oh, i already knew that stuff, so nothing new?
Alright.
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*AHEM!*

I'd like to make an announcement...