I don't think this is horribly rude. I think that this is a very valid opinion. I'm not opposed to a character like Steve being playable. I'm not even opposed to a generic character like Piranha Plant because I think all characters are fun in their own right. But I'm also not opposed to Monster Hunter just getting a boss fight. Or if Minecraft just got a stage cuz those are still a big deal and fit in gaming's biggest crossover.
I can't say that I understand the connection you make between Undertale and Minecraft though because Undertale certainly doesn't suffer from the same lack of personality. I understand that, for whatever reason, people think it matters that Undertale is a game that encourages pacifism (even though it also encourages you to kill everyone to get the whole story) to the point that it shouldn't have a fighter in Smash. Which couldn't be more of a non issue in my opinion, but everyone is entitled to their opinions. Even tho I support and want an Undertale rep in Smash I'm also ok with it just getting something like a stage or even better music because I think it deserves some kind of recognition.
I would not be ok with a SMRPG stage or AT and no Geno though, because Geno pretty clearly belongs in Smash as a fighter. Geno is unquestionably a character with personality and unique fighting mechanics.
I didn't mean Undertale lacks personality, but rather that it's difficult to incorporate in Smash while staying true to the series if you limit it to a character.
Think about that for a second: being a character can limit how you represent the series. It's why I think that moveset that makes you balance between Killing and Sparing is a bad idea because Undertale isn't about balance: it's about extremes, and one is clearly more favorable in every way possible. An AT would be the best way to represent Undertale as you can have full-screen moves that need to be avoided that come out quickly. Basically, a character needs to be balanced and fair, but an AT can perfectly represent the game.
Also, I agree: Geno, while he could be represented with an AT, would end up like Isaac...shortchanged and not fully represented.
FYI only one person who’s part of the Minecraft team didn’t like the idea of Steve; she’s a senior manager, and actually liked the idea of a Minecraft Skeleton being in Smash. The only other Minecraft employees that said anything about Smash were a Switch Edition dev who liked the idea of Steve or a Creeper in Smash, and a new Mojang employee who said “Steve ain’t gonna Smash” in response to some rumors but acted like he didn’t actually know, just that similar rumors were going for Maxwell in Smash 4; the Mojang employee didn’t give his opinion on Steve, but did say “maybe one of my characters will be in Smash someday” after he mentioned the Maxwell thing so it’s possible he does like the idea of Steve.
There was also some official build of Steve holding a Smash invitation at some LEGO place, I forgot where...
Anyway, Minecraft is about what the player does, a stage can’t show that. Steve and Alex aren’t just the default skins, but pretty much the faces of the game alongside the Creeper. A Steve statue was even at a Microsoft store with nothing else from the game or other Microsoft IPs. There’s also many people who like Steve, as shown by fans on twitter and how popular YouTube videos of Steve Smash Bros. videos get. One even has over 116k likes, currently. There’s also a lot of Steve fan art you can easily find on Google, and players will sometimes build Steve statues or use him in some way in their builds in the game. YouTubers like CaptainSparklez have even voiced their support for him in Smash. People will even make different Steve skins.
I’d like a stage, but no Steve would suck for me and thousands of other people. Mojang still acknowledges Steve sometimes, even if we haven’t gotten stuff like the official 2011 Minecon trailer using him as the main character and the Super Meat Boy crossover in a long time, and only one Mojang employee has said anything about him in Smash as I’ve said, seeming like he possibly likes the idea. Out of the two who were part of the Minecraft team in someway, Aubrey - the person that liked the idea of a skeleton in Smash - is the only one who didn’t like Steve, and she doesn’t work on the game itself. Funnily enough, her distaste of Steve was in a reply to direwolf20, who likes the idea of Steve and is known for always using a Steve skin. She also seemed trollish, tweeting “Minecraft Steve” not long before E3.
TL;DR many people love Steve, only one Minecraft person who doesn’t work on the game itself said she didn’t like Steve but liked the idea of a Minecraft skeleton being in Smash, one dude liked the idea of Steve or a Creeper and another seemed to like Steve, Minecraft dudes built Steve with a Smash invitation at some LEGO place, and really this stage thing is subjective and stupid because none of you really give a frick and many people want Steve in Smash and he has plenty to make a fun and unique moveset as people have already made some.
I also want more Steve recognition dang it, y’all should know how it feels. I’ve been around the Minecraft community for a long time, y’all can’t fricken tell me he isn’t popular.
I never said he wasn't popular. That would be a sign of ignorance or denial. What I stated is, basically, 'not every franchise needs a character in Smash' and that 'some franchises would be better represented outside of a character in Smash'. You can look at some of the items or ATs or stages already in the game and pick-up on that. Sometimes, as much as you want a character in the game to play as, it's just not possible to properly represent that franchise in such a way.
Also, what the player does in MineCraft could be easily represented with a stage: you listen to peaceful music as you explore and gather resources to build things, then repeat the process. That would be easily translated into a stage, but would be more difficult to represent as a character. You could also have enemies and animals be involved with the stage, but these would likely never be involved in the moveset.
Things are slow speculation wise. Kind of just waiting for a Direct at this point. Sorry, I've been busy. The school year has started up again and I've been doing a lot with my wife and I's Halloween "business" including representing it a formal function for the first time and being invited to be a part of a horror convention in our city.
In regards to the PapaGeno's video, the datamine is probably real (I'll ask Slender later), the Banjo presentation is more than likely fake, and you all already figured out that the Geno render was fake. Yes, the starling is still up in the air. Yes, the Source ™ has dropped more picture hints about upcoming stuff but hasn't specified if they tie into the starling or not, nevermind if it relates to Smash. I'm going to go ahead and rip this bandage off but based on the new hints and the possibility that they're all related, it most likely isn't referring to Geno in Smash. No biggie. Geno's still in a good place as far as I'm concerned. As you guys know, I can't share the hints here until further notice but I'll ask if I can openly speculate on them or if would cause too many problems.
AYEEEE~! I called this weeks ago. I mentioned that the Starling hint likely didn't mean **** for us, and guess what? It likely doesn't mean **** for us! I almost couldn't care less about what it DOES mean though. This is why I think VRPlant's method of telling you exactly what you are getting is much better than speculation: rather than hypothesize for days and weeks and months and more and never be even close to being right and POSSIBLY making yourself a little looney in the process, you simple know what is coming.
So, all we got is no costume. I've feeling extra negative about my hobbies today, so I'm gonna come out and say it: I think a Spirit is all we are gonna get. Geno isn't as big of a 3rd Party pull as so many other choices and I doubt he would be on Nintendo's list of choices to give Sakurai. It just doesn't make sense to be any other way, and Nintendo's pattern is that we will likely get nothing after this line of characters, so I think we need to push him hard to give him a chance for the next Smash game or a new SMRPG of some sort, be it a remake or sequel.
Granted, I still hope he's coming, but thinking he's likely? Nothing points to that at all. Just a bunch of coincidences that will ultimately add up to nothing.
