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If it really is the end today or soon and Geno is a Mii Costume I wouldn't count him out just yet cause for all we know we may get additional DLC but until then it has been a pleasure hanging out and honor working with you all.
Maybe older Final Fantasy characters, given they aren't quite as steeped in copyright hell, plus they represent when Square and Nintendo were in cahoots. Crono is possible, too, I think, given he involves much the same companies as DQ. Otherwise, maybe Mana costumes, too, given Trials of Mana? Then, of course, there's Geno and all. Hmm.
Chocobo hat
I'm expecting at least one new FF7-related costume to go along with the remake. Probably a Barret Gunner and/or a Tifa Brawler. (Or maybe a Sephiroth Swordfighter if they can find a way to do that without making his sword look hilariously dinky compared to how it's usually depicted.)
I'm anticipating the barest minimum - the same Mii costumes that were in Smash 4, plus a Slime hat. I'm hoping that we get costumes for the FF7 party members, or the other Dragon Quest heroes, or other Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest characters, or even something relatively out of nowhere like a 2B or Crono costume, but given how stingy Square-Enix was with Final Fantasy content, I have my doubts.
Ze Diglett
brought up and now I really want that.
Sephiroth and Crono as swordsmen. Barrett as gunner. Tifa as a brawler. Slime hat. Black mage.
I wouldn't expect Crono based upon the issues the Chrono series seems to have at this point. It'd be neat to have another Toriyama influenced character alongside Hero, but I honestly think Square Enix only cares about releasing an occasional port of the original and leaving the series to die otherwise. It's a damn shame, but I don't see Crono coming back any time soon (and having Crono as a Mii costume, but no Trigger music would be the worst haha).
If they had the audacity to make Ashley a swordfighter they can do the same with Black Mage
Fair point on Ashley, though she never really had a ton of stuff to canonically pull from either. Black Mage is much more established in terms of abilities and I'd argue Square Enix is more likely to care about the representation of the Black Mage IP than Nintendo of Ashley specifically. Sakurai has said that third parties have to agree on everything, and I definitely could see Square Enix rejecting a Mii costume if it didn't fit their standards and seemed like a poor representation of Black Mage when it gets used all the damn time in marketing for the Final Fantasy brand. That's why I think Black Mage is a little less likely, though a costume in general outside of abilities would be nice.
I brought this up awhile ago, but it probably got lost in the aether. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy costumes for the pass. What makes me think that, is what came with Joker's release. It was Persona and Sonic without Jacky and Akira coming back.
Logically speaking, I think you're right in these assumptions. It would be a no-brainer and require zero effort on Nintendo's part to simply port over the already-existing costume just as it was in Sm4sh. If that's the case, then it won't necessarily be a hard de-confirm either way. That said, if they try to add more SMRPG costumes or revamp the Geno costume as a whole, then Sakurai/Nintendo would basically be saying, "Look, we haven't forgotten Geno and we realize how cheezy the old homage was, but he's just not going to make it in this time." On the flip side, if his costume doesn't show up at all? ****=lost (or if you carry the 1 and multiply by a bucket of chicken) Me=hype-gasm
The thing is that Chrom's Mii costume was ported over for the base game. Geno's is one you'd have to purchase all over again. I kinda see DLC Mii costumes and base game Mii costumes as two different things. That said, Fatman is right in that it isn't a hard deconfirm if the outfit isn't changed in the slightest and no other SMRPG costumes come in. I would personally take it as a soft deconfirm, mostly for the Fighter's Pass. I would, however, disagree with the notion that Geno's Mii costume bars him permanently from any future plans. They could have his Mii costume and then make more DLC after the Fighter's Pass, for all we know, including Geno as playable. The money wouldn't be an issue, either, because I sincerely doubt anyone would cry over 75 cents for the Mii costume to hold out with.
I think the main difference is that DLC Mii costumes seem to be treated as a consolation prize for the character not making it in - look at Inkling and K. Rool in Smash 4 (along with Chrom), or Rex in Smash Ultimate (whose Mii costume announcement was clearly treated like a consolation for not being able to include him). If the character's already in the base game, then overlap between a character and a Mii costume seems fine, but not so much if it's a DLC Mii costume for a character that isn't in the game.
That is an interesting question...I would love to see some other Mario RPG Love. These are ones I could see.
If Geno gets in, I'm betting on Mallow and Smithy costumes. As for Paper Mario, how would that work with a 3-dimensional game?
Simply put, the Mii Costume indicates a tentative lack of plans to make Geno playable. So while it's still technically possible for Geno to make it in at that point, it's highly unlikely that they plan to.
That's... really weird, actually. Nintendo doesn't own the music, so how are they able to get away with this? I know FaaAB was up as early as last week as well, so this had to have happened fairly recently. I'm keeping my eyes peeled on the situation for sure.
Here's a theory that I already don't believe:
That's certainly interesting I remember listening to those extended versions a few days ago too, Maybe like a week ago. I do wonder what this means it's either 1) Nothing. 2) Super Mario RPG Music will come with Geno's Mii Costume or 3) Geno is in Smash. Of course the first one is the most likely followed by the second but this is a curious situation.
.....Huh. Now that is interesting. It probably means nothing, but it is kind off odd, none the less. The thing with Banjo's music being taken off for copyright was because it was a fan made track with Super Smash Bros Ultimate in the title.
Agreed. Including SMRPG music with Hero would break the pattern that stretches back to Smash 4 regarding DLC packs. However, the timing is very interesting. I remember Nintendo was proactive with copyright claims just before the base roster released, so my feeling is that if it is anything it’s tied to Hero’s release in some way. Maybe the music is just being licensed for the Mii costume reveals. Beware for Geno, Armed Boss for Mallow.
If I may, why not just have one music track for both of those costumes? Going back to Joker, when we were seeing the Mii Costumes, we got Persona 4 protagonist and Teddy hat with only one music track playing (Reach out to the truth). They could have a different track from Persona 4 for each costume, but they didn't do that. I don't think they would use multiple tracks for a series' Mii costume reveal.
Exactly, it doesn't make sense to use different music tracks for Mii Fighter costume reveals for characters from the same game like that. The timing of these copyright claims is weird to say the least
Ooh, I had forgotten that! I was envisioning the trailer using Armed Boss to emphasize the addition of a Mallow costume. Kinda like, “Hey, there’s a Mallow costume too! Hooray right guys?”
Basing SE content on how well the other third-parties play along is a dangerous game.
To my knowledge, we've never had music come with a Mii costume because said music would have to be tied to a stage. There's no precedent for this, so I would have to say that we're most likely looking at scenarios 1 and 3. While it could easily be nothing, both the timing and Nintendo's involvement are beyond suspicious. Also, Beware of the Forest Mushrooms in particular is suspicious since many people consider that song the closest thing to a Geno theme song. I mean, of all SMRPG songs for Nintendo to mysteriously hit, why that one? I wouldn't instantly assume a Geno confirmation, but this is something we should definitely keep our eyes on. To be honest, this is the best tangible evidence yet to suggest that Geno could actually be coming.
