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link?I didn't know Terminal Montage was on Smashboards. I recently became obsessed with his Mario & Luigi Ultimate Attack! video. It starts out simple enough, baiting you into thinking you know how it's going to play out from the first few seconds. Then it just blows all of your expectations away.
Then Geno appears at the very end.
Ouch, your words hurt me. So badly. I wish I was as smart as you. Boo hoo. Ice Climber, R.O.B. games, Game and Watch Gallery and Kid Icarus were classic Nintendo games that got represented for that reason. Geno is a secondary main character in one game that's 20 years old. People don't make this stuff up, Sakurai himself listed ground rules for character inclusion, among them is significance, and how accessible they are. A secondary character from one game that's owned by Square Enix doesn't fit the bill. If he made it, I'd be surprised. Man, you Geno fans get just as butthurt as the Krystal ones. And here I was admiring your passion. Lol.
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That's the biggest strike against him. 75% of Smash players likely won't know a thing about him, especially the younger players. His appearance in just one game 20 years ago is to blame. Yeah, he's popular amongst our age group and SNES players of the early 90s, but we aren't the sole target audience. Additionally, he's third party. Third party characters are neither cheap nor easy to get the license for, and include in the game. Its likely more reasonable to put in three other Mario characters than Geno. You can bet that if Mother and Starfox were third party, they may not have even gotten ONE rep. If any third party characters are to join, it'll be Mega Man or a Namco character like Pac-Man, because they don't run into the same obscurity problems that Geno does. Do I like Geno less than them? No. But I'm being realistic.
What part of that needs clarification? Do you honestly think its untrue? If Geno makes a lead role in another game, I'll take back what I said.
The bolded was your original argument and what I am saying is ********. Because we clearly have those retro characters on the roster that shows Sakurai doesn't care how old or irrelevant characters are. And you are saying he does. I'm completely fine with the third party argument of him costing money to obtain.
Sakurai revitalized those franchises, and BAM we got another Kid Icarus, and another Golden Sun and another Sin and Punishment. The problem is that Geno can't be revitalized unless SE sells the entire license for him to Nintendo to make future games with him. If they wanted, they could make the Ice Climbers relevant again with a new game, because they're first party. For these reasons, promoting old characters can be advantageous for Nintendo. Geno doesn't provide that advantage, because he isn't WITH Nintendo anymore. If they include him, he'll appear, people will be mystified where he came from, and then he'll go without another appearance in a Nintendo game ever again unless SE wills it. THAT'S the problem.
I agree, I think I just boiled some tempers by suggesting that Geno is no longer important.
Thank you. This is all I was saying to him, and he just isn't getting it.
It didn't cause it, but it definitely helped. People saw characters like Saki and Isaac that they didn't know about, got curious, and soon demand for a new game springs up and it goes on sale, and does well. Smash is a great promoting tool for Nintendo. I'm arguing relevancy based on status. It isn't merely because he's obscure, its because he's obscure AND third party. I didn't suggest that at first, but I thought it was implied. Part of the reason he's "irrelevant" is because he's not even Nintendo. He's about as relevant as Marle from Chrono Trigger, someone else who was a secondary main character from a Square Enix game that happened to be on a Nintendo system. Sure, she's not nearly as popular, but her status is the same. So how important is she to Nintendo? Not very. That's why Geno is a "farfetched" proposal. It isn't farfetched because its ridiculous. Farfetched means that its a long shot, regardless of popularity.
And the truth people have to realize is that Geno really isn't all that important anymore. Yes, he was in a game that's considered a classic, but he ended up in a really bad situation between Nintendo and Square Enix, and ended up on the Square Enix side. Thus the only thing he's gotten in 20 years is a cameo. There are other Mario series which have delved into the RPG genre anyways, and have done so more successfully and have become more famous than what's now an old title.
Implying you know anything about me. Lol. You can't fathom my argument because you don't want to. Being blinded by your beliefs does that. I've looked at the side supporting Geno, and I just don't see it. Maybe its my bad, but you don't want to grasp "irrelevant" the way I'm defining it because you know its true. Nostalgia glasses don't win arguments. He may be relevant to you guys, but he isn't to most. *shrugs*
Probably should've replied to this in the same post, but. I do get what you're saying. But I don't agree with it. He's only as relevant as you want him to be. He was a badass character who played a role in one classic game. That's a good reason to support him. But not a good reason to believe that it matters anymore. This is a market, guys. The market shifts and trends shift with it. I don't like it either, but Nintendo just can't be bothered with Geno because there's no reason to be, other than to appease a couple thousand supporters for a Smash Bros game. And those supporters will not merit the kind of additional profit that will make Geno worthwhile. Fan service only goes so far.
Geno fans don't really care about that corporate BS
I know. That doesn't make me incorrect. I said I admired your adamant support, but he's not relevant, and thus likely won't ever make it in. I never said you can't support him, because you can. I support E. Gadd, even though he's very unlikely. Doesn't mean I expect him to get in. You guys came running to Geno's defense as though you couldn't stand to hear that his odds were very slim. Don't accuse me of arguing with air when you (as in Hero of Time and then you) started this argument over me simply saying he was unlikely, for reasons of relevance. If I had told you that you were all stupid for supporting him, I'd be asking for flaming.
Relevance argument AGAIN. Incredible
Nintendo never really owned Geno though.
Despite this devil's advocating, I would still like Geno to get in (see my signature roster). I just don't want to set myself up for disappointment.
I mean, it's so stupid that I do not understand it. Did the Ice Climbers and Pit appear frequently before they came to Smash? NO!
You sure didn't sound like it. You do however sound like a brat, with your offensive comment, caps lock and all.
The definition of a retro character can be argued for eternity. As it stands right now it seems like Sakurai classifies retro as a NES character, but we really can't know.
I said it multiple times if only you knew how to read.
And Geno isn't owned by Nintendo's rival.
I think if only because getting the rights to use Sora would be a nightmare, and because Sora's popularity, while definitely there, isn't any greater than some other 3rd parties while Geno's used to be quite notable (and Sakurai tends to use previous popularity for next-installment additions), I'd say Geno is more likely. And Sora might have several Nintendo exclusives, but Geno is a Mario character, so he's more closely tied to Nintendo there.
That as well.
Then I guess your intelligence level is out of my control (to Powerstars). If you read anything else here, you'd know what I was saying. I find it hilarious that people get so offended over something so simple. I'm not repeating myself AGAIN, just because you can't grasp a simple idea: Retro Nintendo = good strategy, Retro 3rd Party = expensive and demanding, thus, the character must be significant in some way. Geno isn't because he's faded from relevancy and can't be promoted for future games/appearances. My head hurts over how butthurt you're all getting. Now get off my damn back and go have a circle jerk with each other over Geno instead of complaining to me about it. I stopped responding a couple hours ago for a reason.
This argument has been over for a while and you're still going at it like an internet autist
Lol. Irony.
Well, it's not the same situation at all
Stop even pretending like your some kind of superior mind. It just makes you look pompous
