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This point gets ignored too often. This seems to be what’s Sakurai entire intent was behind including the retro characters we have now, and I wish he would say it himself so that fans could see why their inclusion actually makes sense as opposed to the characters they’re trying really hard to fit into this category.
but it did stop takamaru when it came to smash 4That never stopped Marth or Roy when it came to Melee
But it did explicitly stop Takamaru in Smash 4. Sakurai's focus looks to have shifted toward more known characters since Brawl, so being region exclusive does hinder a character's chance significantly, especially older ones that have been MIA for a while.That never stopped Marth or Roy when it came to Melee
Not too shabby of an idea. He's we'll known enough to work though being third party does hold his chances back some.
If that's the case, then the well has pretty much dried up at this point. All the first party icons of that era have been included by now. What's left are overly simplistic avatars and obscure literal whos.
Right, there's maybe Balloon Fighter and Excitebiker if they're legible, but nobody really stands out unless we go beyond that definition of retro.
Well Fire Emblem was more of a multiple entry series (with current games in production) by the time it was added in Melee.
So, by those parameters, the Retro option is pretty much out.
Mac won out because he's known to a worldwide audience, sakurai has stated this, and it's that exact reason that other region exclusive characters won't get in. Marth and roy are the only exceptions to this and they were added 17 years ago, they wouldn't have been added nowadays, it also helps that they were part of a relevant and long running franchise.
Nah it's more likely he didn't make the cut this time due to a very small pool of newcomers and Sakurai porting over ATs. If this Smash was like the rest he'd most likely be in the game.
Lip and Takamaru are victims of localization. Lip was scrapped presumably to distance themselves from the light/cutesy theming during Sega's aggressive advertising campaign. Takamaru was probably not localised because of how Japanese it was- NoA probably didn't want to risk it.
Lucas.
That is the main reason why I champion for Star Man; he's vintage, yet already has plenty of moves and material. How much of a declared fanbase he has (alongside the A Winner Is You meme) is the main issue that remains to be addressed. Would they back him that much in the wake of Ultimate? That remains to be seen, especially since various other characters from back then obviously have more visible support.
To be fair when Lucas was added Sakurai had no idea that mother 3 wasn't gonna be localized, and didn't have much reason to believe it wouldn'tLucas.
I agree though, I don't see a Japanese-exclusive character happening again outside of maybe Lip.
I'm still in the boat that Sakurai isn't gonna add a retro for the sake of adding one. He adds characters with merit, not to check off boxes.
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. I actually sometimes think about whether my choice to predict Lip in Ultimate is a good idea due to game obscurity, but I am inclined to believe that Sakurai can go looser with restrictions with his retro choices if fans who voted on the ballot worldwide want to see Lip the most as the retro newcomer. Merits and their game being globally known are positives, but I do not believe they are the be-all end-all factors that will be essential to figuring out which one retro to add. We will have to see what ends up becoming an important factor for Sakurai when thinking about the next retro addition from Ultimate.
If they were going for a fan-voted retro character and didn't care about region obscurity then Takamaru would be playable, I definitely think he scored higher than lip didThat is a fair perspective to have,
As for there possibly being no retro at all, I find that to be unlikely. Retro newcomers like Lip, Prince Sable, and Excitebiker all bring a distinct flavor of personality, characterization, and moveset potential that are not present in Ultimate's current cast of characters. Retros have so much to pull from that I find it hard to believe Sakurai will stop the retro 'tradition', in the same way I find it hard to believe that no Pokemon newcomer will be added in this game. Why stop digging the goldmine of unique retro candidates now?
But that hasn't been the case so far, so far we have been able to make predictions because of those very reasons. It's no surprise why Duck Hunt was chosen for 4, a handful of people here including myself predicted him, or at least deemed Duck Hunt deserving based on the trends and criteria Sakurai set from previous games. And Lip just doesn't follow those trends and criteria.
The average person is going to be extremely confused as to why Napoleon is in a Nintendo fighting game.
The average person didn't know what a Game & Watch was back in 2001.
