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Ignoring the matter of getting a character from the series famous for the fatalities that arguably kickstarted the demand for gaming rating systems in the US.
A) Scorpion isn't a character that people have said "It'd be awesome, but he's too much of a Sony character," like :4ryu::4cloud:. I feel like you are HIGHLY up-playing his hype.
B) :4ryu:. We already got the king of fighting games as DLC for this game.
To be fair, Snake has mostly been in M-rated games, yet he still got toned down for Brawl, so I don't see why they couldn't do the same for Scorpion. Besides, it's not like I actually like Scorpion a lot. I just think the reactions from it would be amazing, but that's just me I guess.
 
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To be fair, Snake has mostly been in M-rated games, yet he still got toned down for Brawl, so I don't see why they couldn't do the same for Scorpion. Besides, it's not like I actually like Scorpion a lot. I just think the reactions from it would be amazing, but that's just me I guess.
Snake's also... from a more succesful series famous for more than the level of violence in it.

Just like Bayonetta, Scorpion arguably could be neutered down into an E-10 shell, but you'd also end up removing some of te most iconic parts of the character by doing so.
 

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In the data, miners have found a arrow that indicates another screen for characters on the 3DS version, so I went ahead and made a prediction of what the DLC CSS page would look like
 

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At this point, I think the most unexpected thing Sakurai could do would be to give us characters for whom we ask.
But they gave us basically what we asked for for the most part with DLC?

Mewtwo? Roy? Lucas? All things we've asked for as a community.
 
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So if Cloud got into Smash, then does that mean any iconic character with a series which has been on Nintendo systems is possible? Because, if that's the case, then Scorpion from Mortal Kombat is the only other character I could see that would generate more hype from Cloud. It would be amazing to see all the reactions. The Internet would probably explode!
Any character originating from a video game is elligible. . .but only third parties wit immense iconicness are likely. While MK is pretty big here it is far smaller in japan. Or so im told

And that's ignoring the whole, being known for immense blood and gore thing going on.
To be fair, Snake has mostly been in M-rated games, yet he still got toned down for Brawl, so I don't see why they couldn't do the same for Scorpion. Besides, it's not like I actually like Scorpion a lot. I just think the reactions from it would be amazing, but that's just me I guess.
Blood and gore to the absolute max to the point of being a defining feature are definitely not equal to whatever hapens in MGS.



I wonder if Ridley will be the big finale...
He will not. It's been made abundantly clear Ridley is a no-go. . . as much as I hate to admit it
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At this point, I think the most unexpected thing Sakurai could do would be to give us characters for whom we ask.
:4lucas::4feroy::4mewtwo: say hi

We have a ballot for a reason. Not only has he given us what we wanted many times in the past but we haven't even entered the part of DLC where "what we want" has the most impact. And he certainly isn't going to completely go back on his word like a lunatic because it would be unexpected.

Sakurai isn't some crazy man sitting on a throne thinking how to **** with people.
 
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Snake's also... from a more succesful series famous for more than the level of violence in it.

Just like Bayonetta, Scorpion arguably could be neutered down into an E-10 shell, but you'd also end up removing some of te most iconic parts of the character by doing so.
A slight perusing of Google on statistics has brought me to the point that, in terms of sales, Mortal Kombat and Metal Gear are nearly equivalent in sales, both just seemingly under 40 million.

I'm not sure what is your definition of successful, but I'd be happy to hear. I'd argue that Mortal Kombat is more successful, because, especially with the last two installments, it has been getting more and more critically acclaimed (versus Metal Gear... which seems to be incapable of even keeping its company happy). One of the series is continuing to get better, the other is appearing to fizzle out.

Also, to say Mortal Kombat is famous 'only for level of violence,' is a bit brash. It may have been what initially set it out from Street Fighter and other 1v1 fighting games, but it has absolutely advanced far beyond just being a bloody game. It's famous for a lot of reasons! "Toasty!"

But they gave us basically what we asked for for the most part with DLC?

Mewtwo? Roy? Lucas? All things we've asked for as a community.
1- What HASNT been asked for as a community? In a game this big with so many options, you could throw spaghetti into a toilet and have it land on a character that was requested.

2- You have a nice perspective on this, but I cannot say this is an accurate representation of what we asked for as a community. I certainly do not believe that a gaming community, which nearly let Fire Emblem die, asked for it to have the third highest number of characters in the game. Hell, Roy is arguably the least All-Star to ever be in the roster. If THIS is a representation of what for the community has been asking, it seems like any assortment of characters you put together could easily fit that description.

3- Asking for something does not make it a good option. Many have gone Silent over IC's and Ridley simply because they are perceived to be impossible, this does not mean we do not want them. On the other end, we have people who request Goku and Spongebob, notoriously. Just because characters are requested does not mean that they are a good idea.

Additionally, there are just plain things for which the community has overall been asking. We still don't have Dixie or Toad. I have a hard time believing they are less requested and less desired in the community- but without them, we certainly have not been given a lot of what we have been requesting, for a long time.

To me, the people who think that we have gotten that for which we asked, are the same who fight so vehemently for veterans, or still try to argue that a character 'could not have a move set.' As a community, we sadly, are not visionaries. Thank goodness Sakurai does not simply listen to us, the game would not be a twisted delight.
 

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At this point, I think the most unexpected thing Sakurai could do would be to give us characters for whom we ask.
You mean who you want.

Mortal Kombat is also famous for being the most overpatched fighting game, can't model girls for ****, and taking like five games to be good again.
 
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1- What HASNT been asked for as a community? In a game this big with so many options, you could throw spaghetti into a toilet and have it land on a character that was requested.
But does that make it bad? There's generally garbage requests, but as long as they can be made into a good character, that's what matters.
2- You have a nice perspective on this, but I cannot say this is an accurate representation of what we asked for as a community. I certainly do not believe that a gaming community, which nearly let Fire Emblem die, asked for it to have the third highest number of characters in the game. Hell, Roy is arguably the least All-Star to ever be in the roster. If THIS is a representation of what for the community has been asking, it seems like any assortment of characters you put together could easily fit that description.
But Fire Emblem is popular now? Yes, the series nearly died, but it certainly isn't now?

And who really cares about being an all-star when he was being requested? He was desired by fans, regardless of his status as an FE character.
3- Asking for something does not make it a good option. Many have gone Silent over IC's and Ridley simply because they are perceived to be impossible, this does not mean we do not want them. On the other end, we have people who request Goku and Spongebob, notoriously. Just because characters are requested does not mean that they are a good idea.
See my #1. Again, people said Rosalina was bad and she's a freaking puppeteer! People said Shulk was going to be "just another swordsman" and was bad?

As for ICs and Ridley, they are requested, yes, but they are off the table for various reasons. They want to keep the roster the same, so no ICs. That's what happens, and there's nothing that can change technical limitations.
Additionally, there are just plain things for which the community has overall been asking. We still don't have Dixie or Toad. I have a hard time believing they are less requested and less desired in the community- but without them, we certainly have not been given a lot of what we have been requesting, for a long time.

To me, the people who think that we have gotten that for which we asked, are the same who fight so vehemently for veterans, or still try to argue that a character 'could not have a move set.' As a community, we sadly, are not visionaries. Thank goodness Sakurai does not simply listen to us, the game would not be a twisted delight.
Well, Sakurai can't include every character or request, no matter how strong or weak their support is. It's not about the numerical winner; remember that the team is able to cherry pick their choices.

When it comes to characters and movesets, it's true. There's certain characters, like PAC-MAN in Brawl, where they weren't considered because they weren't sure how to make them work. Just because someone has a vague idea of how they could work doesn't mean it's the best one. People thought all Rosalina could do was be a Peach clone and many accepted it, but Nintendo thought differently.

Also, I think you're contradicting yourself. You argue that Sakurai can't include so many characters and that's bad that he doesn't explicitly cater to fans (when he is), but then you go on to say that it's good that he can't or won't because of certain people's requests? Please clarify.


You mean who you want.

Mortal Kombat is also famous for being the most overpatched fighting game, can't model girls for ****, and taking like five games to be good again.
It's sadly true. While I'm not a huge fan of the games, it does kind of suck that their latest entry is bogged by what used to be nearly weekly patches that changed the came drastically...

For fighting games, they're also known for being the main cause of the ESRB... I can't say that would go over well when being considered. For something like Injustice, it makes sense since the two properties have some history together (albeit murky) and with the same developer... but Smash?
 
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Any character originating from a video game is elligible. . .but only third parties wit immense iconicness are likely. While MK is pretty big here it is far smaller in japan. Or so im told

And that's ignoring the whole, being known for immense blood and gore thing going on.

Blood and gore to the absolute max to the point of being a defining feature are definitely not equal to whatever hapens in MGS.
If you don't even know what features define MGS, it doesn't seem to be a point you can argue, in regard to it having a clear defining quality.
This post seems to be built on things you were told, rather than your own analysis of either franchise.

As far as Mortal Kombat goes... blood definitely would not happen in Smash bros. I could easily see gore being introduced to one character. Its all a matter of choice. We see Ganondorf strangulate other characters- that is pretty violent! It is unlikely that Scoprion would rip Mario's head out of his body with his spine dangling below, (same issue in MK v DC, for Superman)... but this does not mean he doesn't have other gorey things which could be utilized.

It's pretty similar to Snake, actually. The focus was not on realistic weapons (knives, bullets), but on more explosive weapons. Scorpion has his many iconic moves that are not too gorey to be included- from his spear, to fire breath.

Scorpion could absolutely be implemented. Think of it like a stage slap- its not about the actor being hurt, it is about the actor making it believable. If Mario cried out when he were speared, it would make it very believeable (and it wouldnt have to be an excruciating scream, rather, a blend of painful and comedic- a blend we have seen Smash hone in on many times).
He will not. It's been made abundantly clear Ridley is a no-go. . . as much as I hate to admit it.
I think the fact that he is so assumed to be out of the game, is exactly what would make him even more of a bombshell WTF than Cloud.
In reality, this is perhaps the best chance for Ridley- Sakurai has been in brainstorming mode for characters for the longest time ever! The only thing keeping Ridley from being playable is Sakurai being struck with inspiration as to how to do so properly. Whereas in the other Smash Games, Sakurai created the roster in the beginning and then put it down to develop for the rest of the cycle, with DLC, Sakurai has been in 'character brainstorming mode' for over a year now. He even opened up a poll, wherein some amazing individual may have perfectly inspired Sakurai as to how to make the character feasible. For all we know, Ridley was still being worked on to BE playable, similar to the Ice Climbers, and he just never figured out the coding (such as, for an oversized character trope). The only thing Clear about Ridley is that Sakurai has worked hard to get him represented in the game.

:4lucas::4feroy::4mewtwo: say hi

We have a ballot for a reason. Not only has he given us what we wanted many times in the past but we haven't even entered the part of DLC where "what we want" has the most impact. And he certainly isn't going to completely go back on his word like a lunatic because it would be unexpected.
When I say giving us what we want, I meant giving us new things we wanted. If all of your examples are veterans, aka, characters people felt entitled to because they were missing I dont think you have a point.
Not to mention, he gave us Roy and Lucas, as stated, because he believed we wanted them (not because they had been outright requested... the poll wasnt even out then).
It may be my own bias (or hipster attitude), but it seems to me Lucas and Roy were included more so because Sakurai wanted them in the game- he has expressed in the past how he favors them. The fact that they got in before Wolf is also a flat out congruent demonstration that obviously the clone veteran most requested to return, was ignored.

The one character we clearly got out of requests was Mewtwo- this is evident in his reveal (finale to 54 big facts as well as the framing of words used to show how much hype he received) and the altering of the Greninja trailer to make the trailer beckon Mewtwo (hands, charge ball, the fact that it is set in a cave).

As far as why we have the ballot, there are many reasons. The page outright stated it was for Nintendo's general use, to see what characters would cause a stir in other games. Let's not forget this! There is not just one reason we had the ballot, so let us not simplify.

Sakurai isn't some crazy man sitting on a throne thinking how to **** with people.
I never said he is crazy, but he has outright stated that he enjoys shocking us with the unexpected. There are dozens of examples wherein we see this time and time again.

I'm not claiming Sakurai attempts to give us things we dont want, but I definitely think Sakurai has shown us time and time again, that he prefers to go for the unexpected characters that are still desired, versus ones that are just wanted and are in plain sight. This is even what happened with the characters above that you list! We expected Wolf to be the first veteran after Mewtwo, and instead, we got two characters who outright have little to no future in their home series.
 
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Also, just wanna point out that toning down a Mortal Kombat more than likely wouldn't be done.

You can't tone down that kind of game into a cartoony party/fighting game. It just doesn't happen.

Like how Sakurai thinks making Ridley smaller would make him "not Ridley", one of the reasons he won't add him this game. If he's not willing to shrink Ridley down a bit, he's certainly not going to take Scorpion and make him E10+.

just saying
 

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Scorpion has his many iconic moves that are not too gorey to be included- from his spear, to fire breath.
If you truly believe being impaled by a spear is not very gorey I don't know how you bad "gorey" has to be for it to be gorey for you. Link's Clawshot grabs people, not stick itself into people.

Just saying, Scorpion hails from a franchise that is known for its violence and gore, he would not fit in very well.
 

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When I say giving us what we want, I meant giving us new things we wanted. If all of your examples are veterans, aka, characters people felt entitled to because they were missing I dont think you have a point.
Not to mention, he gave us Roy and Lucas, as stated, because he believed we wanted them (not because they had been outright requested... the poll wasnt even out then).
It wasn't just belief. It was the legion of fans on social media. It was the fans on Smashboards, and many other sites. They clamored for stuff even by email. And it was for veterans and newcomers alike.

The poll is just an "official" way that they decided to conduct it this time around for DLC.
 

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You mean who you want.

Mortal Kombat is also famous for being the most overpatched fighting game, can't model girls for ****, and taking like five games to be good again.
...No, my opinion is that the current DLC roster is not indicative of the majority of Smash players.
Trying to misappropriate this to being my personal issue is unnecessary. Or is it not possible for a person to think the current DLC roster is unfulfilling? I'm not as petty as to find it a poor selection simply because they arent my top choices (and, for the record, Lucas was one of my most played in Brawl). It is possible for someone to have an opinion that is not so selfish as to only account for personal taste.


Also, just wanna point out that toning down a Mortal Kombat more than likely wouldn't be done.

You can't tone down that kind of game into a cartoony party/fighting game. It just doesn't happen.
just saying
I disagree...I posted above specifically why I think it is possible.
Also, let us all remember these absolutes we place on what MUST be done are exactly the reasons that characters seem to come out of nowhere. It is the human condition to try to make sense of the world, but there are so may fan-made rules and ideas that at times, we all must stop and check ourselves to separate fact from opinion- just because an individual cannot fathom an idea, does not mean that Sakurai or even the general community are in the same boat.


But does that make it bad? There's generally garbage requests, but as long as they can be made into a good character, that's what matters.
I didnt qualify it as good or bad- I just said that there are so many requests, that when you fulfill even one, it still does satisfy many people; this is hedging a bet in some ways.

But Fire Emblem is popular now? Yes, the series nearly died, but it certainly isn't now?
I'm not saying it should be off the roster- but ... okay I'm not really looking for another Fire Emblem debate. We all know the facts.

See my #1. Again, people said Rosalina was bad and she's a freaking puppeteer! People said Shulk was going to be "just another swordsman" and was bad?
That is actually my point; any character could be good. This is why it is important that the character itself is an important character- hence why Roy not being an all star makes his inclusion a bit shocking. A shock that likely helped him get readded, since Sakurai has such a propensity for this shock value.

As for ICs and Ridley, they are requested, yes, but they are off the table for various reasons. They want to keep the roster the same, so no ICs. That's what happens, and there's nothing that can change technical limitations.
This is just being a bit small minded. They may not have worked by games launch, but it does not mean that a solution could not be found given more time (or, quite literally, the new system with less technical barriers, in the new 3DS.

I guess this just goes back to the point I made, they would be great shock characters. Everyone counts them off the table, and based on very circumstantial evidence.


Well, Sakurai can't include every character or request, no matter how strong or weak their support is. It's not about the numerical winner; remember that the team is able to cherry pick their choices.
Again, that is my point. They cannot make every character, they have a limited number. This is why I consider the selection to be poorly done so far, but also why I think that it does not necessarily satisfy the majority of fans (the ones who would not just be satisfied with anything, no matter what were chosen).

When it comes to characters and movesets, it's true. There's certain characters, like PAC-MAN in Brawl, where they weren't considered because they weren't sure how to make them work. Just because someone has a vague idea of how they could work doesn't mean it's the best one. People thought all Rosalina could do was be a Peach clone and many accepted it, but Nintendo thought differently.

Also, I think you're contradicting yourself. You argue that Sakurai can't include so many characters and that's bad that he doesn't explicitly cater to fans (when he is), but then you go on to say that it's good that he can't or won't because of certain people's requests? Please clarify.
Could you reword this please? I find the syntax to be rather confusing.
The only thing I can point out of it is what I have underlined...
My point is that sakurai is *not* explicitly catering to fans, and that if this roster of (particuclarly Roy/Lucas/Mewtwo) is your idea of 'catering to fans,' that seems like a very loose definition of which any three characters would likely fit.
My thesis was, in fact, that perhaps giving us some of the characters we perceive to be more wanted would be the biggest shock of all- characters who, in other words, have been highly requested for the longest period of time, with only growing support. This includes characters such as Dixie and K Rool, Toad, Ridley, but it is not limited to them. I suppose I qualify it as characters who have been long requested, with growing strength, for several games. Getting these characters may be the most shocking thing he could do.

I can also clarify that yes, one of my points is that IF Sakurai made a roster with ONLY the most desired characters, we would end up with a bland roster. We do need these wild cards, but maybe Sakurai is going overboard with trying to shock us rather than give us characters that have had a more steadfast and lasting fanbase (this goes to be as true as the idea that we got Roy and Lucas back, rather than Wolf, who was a clearer choice).

If you truly believe being impaled by a spear is not very gorey I don't know how you bad "gorey" has to be for it to be gorey for you. Link's Clawshot grabs people, not stick itself into people.

Just saying, Scorpion hails from a franchise that is known for its violence and gore, he would not fit in very well.
Gore is in the depiction, not in the action. It is an adjective that would reflect how it is portrayed.
If we see a disembowled Mario, yes.. that is Gorey. However, seeing an animation of a spear go through a character is not inherently gorey. It would just go through him, and have no more of a reaction than the bombs that make characters explode, or the characters we see eaten alive. It's only as gorey as its made.

It wasn't just belief. It was the legion of fans on social media. It was the fans on Smashboards, and many other sites. They clamored for stuff even by email. And it was for veterans and newcomers alike.

The poll is just an "official" way that they decided to conduct it this time around for DLC.
You need to keep in mind that this is still a very small pool of people who actually make up the Smash community- a community which as well, is an echochamber, wherein one voice gets reverberated to greater and greater degree. The best example of this is the misnomer of 'relevancy,' wherein it is generally used to mean 'recency.' Where else do you see such large amounts of people make the same mistake? It is no coincidence.

Yes... Smash fans have been asking for different things since the beginning (and there have been other official Smash polls, just not worldwide).
I'm not trying to argue that Lucas and Roy were not wanted... I'm just saying, in comparison to other options, there are many things wanted more so than either of them. Perhaps it is a poor assumption, but when discussing what we were given and how wanted they were, I am innately comparing them to the vast array of other options we did not get in their stead.
 
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Name a single Nintendo owned game Miku appears in as the main character. Because SEGA are the only ones allowed to make the games iirc, like with Goku amd Bamco
She's been in as many as Cloud has :L
But if we're being serious I don't think it'll be that hard to get the rights from Crypton for such a big game and its good publicity for Miku who is going on tour in the US next year.
Listen, I don't actually believe Miku is gonna be DLC since she's like my 'probably never gonna happen' choice, but it would be pretty cool and I'd definitely buy her in a heartbeat.
 

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She's been in as many as Cloud has :L
But if we're being serious I don't think it'll be that hard to get the rights from Crypton for such a big game and its good publicity for Miku who is going on tour in the US next year.
Listen, I don't actually believe Miku is gonna be DLC since she's like my 'probably never gonna happen' choice, but it would be pretty cool and I'd definitely buy her in a heartbeat.
I honestly doubt any characters' rights are that difficult to get.

When it boils down to it, this is Smash Bros, and any outside company benefits for getting their character in the rich video game pantheon history of Smash Bros. There is a lot of baseless and redundant speculation that 'It would cost too much,' or, 'The rights would be too hard to get.' It is true that the negotiation may be difficult to find the balance between how both parties could benefit, but game developers work together all the time, and have special trained employers who sort this out. Some deals could get extremely creative- hell, a third party may decide they would take no residual money for amiibo sales, or offer to pay for the character to get in but in exchange for a larger profit....there are many potentials. We arent specialists, and most posters don't get into the financial justification other than vaguely using quasi-appropriatete terminology; most here speak with misunderstood statements toward the perception of the fields of economics and marketing.
 

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She's been in as many as Cloud has :L
But if we're being serious I don't think it'll be that hard to get the rights from Crypton for such a big game and its good publicity for Miku who is going on tour in the US next year.
Listen, I don't actually believe Miku is gonna be DLC since she's like my 'probably never gonna happen' choice, but it would be pretty cool and I'd definitely buy her in a heartbeat.
A grand total of 0 then. At least Cloud is the face of JRPGs
 

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Gore is in the depiction, not in the action. It is an adjective that would reflect how it is portrayed.
If we see a disembowled Mario, yes.. that is Gorey. However, seeing an animation of a spear go through a character is not inherently gorey. It would just go through him, and have no more of a reaction than the bombs that make characters explode, or the characters we see eaten alive. It's only as gorey as its made.
if you legit want to remove gore from the main character of the goriest franchise ever where it is known and loved for it's amount of gore and violence you are not going to have a lot of disappointed fans

sure people would lose their minds or whatever but he doesn't fit in, sakurai wouldn't allow it for the same reasons he doesn't allow ridley
 

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At this point, I think the most unexpected thing Sakurai could do would be to give us characters for whom we ask.
Im not happy about it at all as Ridley is one of my most wanted character but the facts are Sakurai doesnt seem to want to do it, I really think we need a new director before we will get Ridley which is stupid but life is stupid. Sakurai will do whatever he wants and nothing else.
 
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if you legit want to remove gore from the main character of the goriest franchise ever where it is known and loved for it's amount of gore and violence you are not going to have a lot of disappointed fans

sure people would lose their minds or whatever but he doesn't fit in, sakurai wouldn't allow it for the same reasons he doesn't allow ridley
Considering guns get removed, anything related to lots of gore would be banned from Smash sooner than you could say 'Sakurai'
And Miku the face of Vocaloids. They're both popular in their own way and they'll both attract a crowd so they'll make money.
I'm getting the slightest hint that you're not a big fan of the idea.
Because Miku isn't a ****ing video game character, nor is she an icon through history, but rather through recent years if anything
 
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Because Miku isn't a ****ing video game character, nor is she an icon through history, but rather through recent years if anything
As aggressively as you made your point you're right. However, if Cloud, the embodiment of Squares backstab of Nintendo who has also never truly starred in a Nintendo game, can get in Smash I'm not gonna rule anyone out (Theatrhythm and Kingdom Hearts don't count cause he didn't really star in them). I feel I should point out again that I don't actually believe she has a big shot of getting in the game.
 

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Also, just wanna point out that toning down a Mortal Kombat more than likely wouldn't be done.

You can't tone down that kind of game into a cartoony party/fighting game. It just doesn't happen.

Like how Sakurai thinks making Ridley smaller would make him "not Ridley", one of the reasons he won't add him this game. If he's not willing to shrink Ridley down a bit, he's certainly not going to take Scorpion and make him E10+.

just saying
They could tone it down and reference the friendship fatalities from the Nintendo ports of their earlier games. Not that I want to see that or a Mortal Kombat character, I just think its interesting that the answer lies in a (nintendo related) part of the franchise.
 

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Also, to say Mortal Kombat is famous 'only for level of violence,' is a bit brash.
No it isn't. The game's core and foundation has always been shock value and gore. Even the new game has maintained this consistency: decapitating, splitting people in half, chopping them into tiny bits, mutilating their organs/body parts, and featuring horror movie murderers. Scorpion will never be in Smash Brothers. Ever.

To not acknowledge that this is the major pillar of MK is naive or biased.

Snake got in due to Kojima being friends with Sakurai. MK and him are not comparable.
 
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No it isn't. The game's core and foundation has always been shock value and gore. Even the new game has maintained this consistency: decapitating, splitting people in half, chopping them into tiny bits, mutilating their organs/body parts, and featuring horror movie murderers. Scorpion will never be in Smash Brothers. Ever.

To not acknowledge that this is the major pillar of MK is naive or biased.

Snake got in due to Kojima being friends with Sakurai. MK and him are not comparable.
Even without the straight gore, MK without extreme violence isn't MK.

I own nearly every game(not including remakes), and have paid attention to all of its stuff. Yeah, the really old games had such over-the-top violence using realistic people turned into sprites and looked so unrealistic it's hilarious, but it's still violent and bloody, the whole point.

Metal Gear is very different from this. It's a more comedic series and far less bloody. The only things they have in common is they both have guns, death, people with great butts to look at(seriously, it's true), and great cutscenes(well, that was added to MK later). They have severely different tones, however. Ones that matter for a game like Smash.
 

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Comparing Mortal Kombat to Metal Gear is silly when you consider that as M rated games, Metal Gear is far, far lighter than MK is.

The worst Metal Gear has is death and torture. Mortal Kombat greatly exaggerates the death to a degree where it's hard to tone down.
 

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...No, my opinion is that the current DLC roster is not indicative of the majority of Smash players.
Trying to misappropriate this to being my personal issue is unnecessary. Or is it not possible for a person to think the current DLC roster is unfulfilling? I'm not as petty as to find it a poor selection simply because they arent my top choices (and, for the record, Lucas was one of my most played in Brawl). It is possible for someone to have an opinion that is not so selfish as to only account for personal taste.
There will always be one unsatisfied person, but you're fooling yourself if you're not acting as you're trying to speak for this minority. It's pretty clear YOU are accounting for YOUR personal taste only.
 

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Are you speculating that that's why Snake got kicked out? I don't necessarily agree with that. Based on the respective websites:

Smash Wii U is rated E10+ because of: Comic Mischief, Cartoon Violence, and Mild Suggestive Themes.

Smash Bros. Brawl was rated Teen because of: Cartoon Violence and Crude Humor

Neither of the reasons for Brawl indicate anything against Snake. If it did, it would have listed something a bit more specific I would think in terms of the violence. Even then, why wouldn't they just edit 2 moves from his moveset?

If we're speaking in terms of Konami being to blame for their lack of a partnership, that seems like it's falling a little back on the whole "relationship with Nintendo" thing. Correct me if I'm wrong. I mean I honestly see it more as a situation at this point where we have a character that could easily fit in with the rest of the 3rd parties, could bring a stage and is highly requested.

I understand why people feel that way, but I think there's more to it. I disagree that it's the rating, and Konami working with Nintendo as far as the Hudson IP's go at least indicates that they can do business. I don't really know that there's bad blood necessarily.

Rayman I can see, but Shantae? No way.
I dunno, I have a hunch about it. I could see Shantae happening, but if I'd have to guess it'd be Rayman.
 

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Let's be serious.
If Smash was ever to take the leap to include a 4th Party Character, there's ONE choice they'd actually go with.
The ONLY character that rivals Mario in the raw level of iconicism while also toting a wide library of liscenced games to pull from.

 

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I just realized something, Sora can't be owned by Disney, as he's set to make an appearance in Dissida Final Fantasy 012 along with Roxas, so that would mean he's owned by Square if he's in Dissida.
 
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