General ICs Q&A Thread

[F A N G]

Do you guys have an updated video thread?

 

[Smoom77]

nope. just post videos in that thread/social thread and people will see them. I lead towards the social thread.

 

[Rubberbandman]

We can always restart it and give it to me since Smoom is too lazy. I wanted to revamp it, but with the current vids there it would take a lot of filtering through to get rid of the old and obviously inactive member IC vids.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

I would appreciate a video thread.

Also, just a quick question, when playing ICs, what couterpick character do you all run into the most? I'd assume it's Metaknight...

 

[Roller]

MK, Toon Link, Snake are the most common characters people switch to against me (that they don't normally use).

 

[Rubberbandman]

Metaknight hands down. Then the occasional snake here or there, but after following some of lux's many times repeated advice on how to space/camp/CG against Snake, I'm good enough against him to not worry too much.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

Ok, well, I play a fierce D3, so I'm not worried about Snake, but MK...Bluh...

Gotta make sure I practice my fightan against him.

 

[zet@_956]

http://m.youtube.com/index?client=mv-google&desktop_uri=/&gl=US&rdm=4n549youb#/watch?v=lGTq-4RODeE

 

[Deathfox30]

How do I deal with 502 Bad Gateway?

 

[Roller]

the link doesn't go to a vid...

 

[Wilmenz]

Aye guys I've been practicing the alternate CG for a couple of days and my major problem is the back throw regrab because Nana won't ****ing turn around or do some Boost pivot grab major swag.

Im only inputting back though

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Where was the question?

 

[Wilmenz]

Why is Nana not turning around or pivot grabbing out of nowhere ._.

 

[TheSaintKai]

Why is Nana not turning back or pivot grabbing out of nowhere ._.

Grab Meta Knight with Popo.
Input these ALMOST simultaneously.

Smash back -> Z
You have achieved a b-throw.

If the person you are chain-grabbing is heavier, there is more time between smashing back on the analog stick, and hitting Z.

 

[Wilmenz]

Grab Meta Knight with Popo.
Input these ALMOST simultaneously.

Smash back -> Z
You have achieved a b-throw.

If the person you are chain-grabbing is heavier, there is more time between smashing back on the analog stick, and hitting Z.

She's always pivot grabbing now o.o I thought you were supposed to just make Nana turn around and regrab.

 

[TheSaintKai]

She's always pivot grabbing now o.o I thought you were supposed to just make Nana turn around and regrab.

There's a way to make her just turn around and grab, buuuuuut it's difficult. That's called a soft turn.
A hard turn is the pivot grab you just did.
Hard turn has a possibiilty of tripping, but is easier to perform.

 

[DeLux]

Soft turning a light character is hard and very few, if any, ICs can do it consistently

 

[Wilmenz]

Alright this was a big misconception... Thanks

 

[TheSaintKai]

Soft turning a light character is hard and very few, if any, ICs can do it consistently

Here's a question:
How on earth do I stop a camping Meta Knight?
Battlefield in particular.

Edit: I see you three lurking.
Someone tell me. x) I don't care who.

 

[DeLux]

Uair. Alot.

 

[TheSaintKai]

Uair. Alot.

He can just grounded Shuttle Fagg0t Twirl.

 

[DeLux]

Don't uair his shield

If he's really sitting in shield on platform for that long, you could also utilt/nair since they shield poke people on BF platforms

 

[TheSaintKai]

Don't uair his shield

If he's really sitting in shield on platform for that long, you could also utilt/nair since they shield poke people on BF platforms

Okay, perhaps I should be more specific.
Every once in awhile I manage a hit but he knows his options.
I count his jumps, sometimes he lands early. Sometimes he lands on the top platform early. Sometimes he Tornados when he lands. Sometimes he falls through and Tornados.

He's smart and he knows the damn match-up. He never touches the ground. I might OCCASIONALLY get an u-air in. But chances are he will shield and GSL or catch me in 'nado before I ever get him past 50%. And that means I lose Nana, this guy spent 20 hours total playing 99 stock matches to learn Nana's habits and learn the combos that work on ICs.

 

[Rubberbandman]

Uair. Alot.

I disagree, because of obvious Shuttle loops oos.

Plat camping is more like a time for you to test stuff IF you know they aren't going to approach you ever. What I do to prevent the obvious Up B oos is to throw Ice blocks on a platform and check their reactions. After that I don't know what I'd do, usually I make up the game plan from there as I go to punish whatever is their habit when they see IBs coming on platforms.

 

[TheSaintKai]

I disagree, because of obvious Shuttle loops oos.

Plat camping is more like a time for you to test stuff IF you know they aren't going to approach you ever. What I do to prevent the obvious Up B oos is to throw Ice blocks on a platform and check their reactions. After that I don't know what I'd do, usually I make up the game plan from there as I go to punish whatever is their habit when they see IBs coming on platforms.

Jump. Or he'll follow your *** and punish your landing.
And I don't mean "lol he d-airs me when I land" I mean he pressures my *** and then escapes. And then my shield starts getting low.
And god help me then.

 

[Rubberbandman]

Jump. Or he'll follow your *** and punish your landing.
And I don't mean "lol he d-airs me when I land" I mean he pressures my *** and then escapes. And then my shield starts getting low.
And god help me then.

You sounding like a punk son. Stop that.

You have to calm down and stop thinking negatively about your own options and more positively about them.

If you keep thinking you can't do it, you damn well won't do it.

So who's the MK you're facing anyway? Kismet?

 

[F A N G]

Is it ever not a good idea to Alt D/B CG? I use it on every character, and it works pretty well

 

[DeLux]

After my last tournament, I have resolved to never use a popo bthrow CG unless I have no other choice.

 

[F A N G]

As in... Popo Bthrow to Nana? Why not?

 

[TheSaintKai]

You sounding like a punk son. Stop that.

You have to calm down and stop thinking negatively about your own options and more positively about them.

If you keep thinking you can't do it, you damn well won't do it.

So who's the MK you're facing anyway? Kismet?

I wish I could play Kismet. Maybe I'd get more diverse MU experience.
I realize I sound angry. But the guy (his name is LOSER) just has me so figured out and down to an art. I've never been so frustrated before by someone in a videogame. I've always felt like maybe I could out-think the other player, even if they were MK. But after playing him I felt like there was no chance. At least on any stage other than FD or SV.
I do need to calm down.

I was so mad about it. I thought about switching my main to Falco, that's how angry I was.

Sorry for freaking.
Thanks for the advice guys. I'll keep trying.

 

[DeLux]

Saint, you should skype and I'll talk in detail matchup stuff with you

 

[TheSaintKai]

Saint, you should skype and I'll talk in detail matchup stuff with you

I'll download it right quick.

Edit: Done and done. PM me your stuff.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

@saint

You are talking about somebody who knows your habits, so you shouldn't be talking about options a character has vs another character since apparently he is predicting the options that work.

If he stays on the platform you could always U-smash. It hits.

If he is beating you with reads, you have to read him back. If you think he is going to nado, blizzard. If you think he is gonna land early, have a uair there before he lands. It is all a guessing game at this point because no options beats every one of the opponents options.

 

[DeLux]

If he stays on the platform you could always U-smash. It hits.

good advice

I forgot to mention this as an option earlier. I prefer using Nair/Utilt depending on percent first, and save the usmash option for a kill option later.

Killing a platform camping MK with an usmash is the best feeling ever

 

[Mr. game and watch]

I agree with lux on uair.
Which could mean it's wrong:3

just SH uair and fastfall as soon as it hits.
Pretty sure upB won't hit you at that point.

 

[ch33s3]

I agree with lux on uair.
Which could mean it's wrong:3

just SH uair and fastfall as soon as it hits.
Pretty sure upB won't hit you at that point.

You have to start your fast fall, THEN uair just under the peak of your jump in order to uair without being looped.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

I do em at the same time, and it usually works.
But either way, you CAN u-air without being shuttle looped, and lux just kinda didn't splain.

When did people start saying lux is wrong and giving bad advice?

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Your head pokes above the platform from a SH so they can Up-b on reaction to that, even though most people will wait for the hit on your shield.

 

[Rubberbandman]

Your head pokes above the platform from a SH so they can Up-b on reaction to that, even though most people will wait for the hit on your shield.

[3:33:00 AM] Kagamibandman: shad to bait shuttle loops and punish!
[3:33:26 AM | Edited 3:34:57 AM] Kagamibandman: if he loops, you can uair string
[3:33:45 AM | Edited 3:34:37 AM] Kagamibandman: if he tries jumping oos you might be able to catch him with an Usmash
[3:34:29 AM] Kagamibandman: if he doesnt, then the usmash might be enough to push MK off to edge slip, where you can ib and get your grab in.

yup. I think of this stuff daily.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

If he SL's on the platform after a SH AD he can glide above your uairs or just land really quickly on the top platform. Also, SH AD is risky because if he reads it, he dairs and probably separates.