ch33s3
Smash Lord
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I do backthrow to usmash most of the time.
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General ICs Q&A Thread
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toobusytocare
Smash Lord
i fthrow because it seems to be less likely to allow popo to miss
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
I do any throw but D-throw to up-smash. Unless of course I can kill from the sides earlier.
Zwarm
Smash Hero
Alright, that sounds pretty good. I was thinking about starting up ladder on AiB with the Climbers, but I wasn't sure what would benefit me more. My desynch game needs work, so I'll probably practice that on wifi as well as the MU experience. Thanks!
Haha, wow. Do you do this every day? I was just playing random CPU's with my handicap set to 300% to practice not getting hit while still getting grabs off, and making sure I actually finished them off every grab I got. Yours sounds a lot more organized, I should try this out sometime, thanks!
DeLux
Player that used to be Lux
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I usually run through it right after I get off work. It's like two hours of solid playing, although admittedly I'll sometimes skip out on the either the level 9 comp or evade mode training, but never both.
And the online stuff is crazy fun but gets hard to find opponents because nobody on allisbrawl or fauxfinder want to play an IC main.
And the online stuff is crazy fun but gets hard to find opponents because nobody on allisbrawl or fauxfinder want to play an IC main.
Zwarm
Smash Hero
Wow, I really should step up my training, although what I've been doing seems to be working pretty well for me. I usually go into practice mode and work on desynchs for a bit, then random a few characters and CG them 0-death a few times, then go into the normal game and face a level 3 CPU of a character, then a level 6, focusing on CG's for the level 3's because of how easy they are to grab, and working on desynchs and fighting without CG's as much on the level 6's.
I should change my main on AiB back to ROB to play ladder then, haha.
I should change my main on AiB back to ROB to play ladder then, haha.
Deathfox30
Smash Journeyman
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How do you jump out of a dash dance desynch? It looks like Swordgard does it all the time. When I try to jump, both of them jump. :3
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
lol i asked the same thing for hella long
you have to do the dash dance where nana acts first so nana is actually blizzarding before you jump
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
linkaut showed in the vid. If you're too stubborn to get it by now, I'm sorry for you. v_v'
So my friend says he saw a video and the ics were switching off on grabbing the ledge to where it was like impossible to grab the ledge. Does anybody know what that's called and how to do it or have a link on how to do it? Thanks
Zwarm
Smash Hero
I had some weird glitch happen to me yesterday when I was playing against my friend's Metaknight, basically Nana went to grab the ledge like she normally would with up B, but the MK grabbed the ledge right before she got there, so it looked like she grabbed the ledge while Popo got launched up like normal, but she just started falling after Popo got to the stage and died. They were still tethered too, has this happened to anyone before? I have the replay saved if anyone wants me to put it up to see it.
Happens every now and then. Nana just goes into her ledge snapping animation and will stay there until popo is released from the teather. The character grabbing the edge gets more invincibility from grabbing it than her hitbox is out so she just gets edgehogged. You can save her again if you land on the stage fast and up-b right away on the ground.
It's been talked about by some of the better IC mains I don't think we've ever said anything in public about it. There are several ways to do it. If only popo is on the edge and nana is above just press B and she will shoot and IB and fall off while popo does a get up attack and they switch places. To switch them again just shield and nana will roll on and you can hug the edge really quick. There are some other ways to do it but that's what I like doing.
Climbin
Smash Rookie
Regarding the Ice Climbers being like two characters in one, does Nana the pink climber have a fixed damage percentage before being able to get knocked out? If she manages to get knocked out, What are the draw backs the player will suffer besides not able to do a jump recovery to its maximum extent?
DeLux
Player that used to be Lux
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I think I'll take a stab at making a write up for this one. If anyone has anything to add or disagrees with me, by all means step in because a lot of this is going to be opinion based.
To get the first question out of the way, there is no set fixed damage percentage for Nana to get knocked out. She takes damage like any other player and hit knockback increases accordingly. That being said, for the most part her cpu is programmed to automatically return to Popo. Couple that fact with her limited recovery, she is fairly susceptible to being gimped at low percentages.
Now on to your more interesting question, in my opinion.
From a metagame stand point, you lose the following in Solo Popo (Sopo):
1. Recovery options - As you mentioned, Sopo suffers from severely limited recovery. Belay has little to no range and Nana is no longer present to serve as an attacking device. Squall hammer, at best, will only recover horizontal distance, which is much worse than the vertical distance one gets with a synced squall.
2. Damage Dealing Capabilities- Obviously, when Popo and Nana are attacking simultaneously, they do more damage. Two hits are better than one. Because it requires more hits to rack up damage, Sopo is also hampered by staling moves.
3. Desynced game - In contrast to above, rather than doing two players worth of damage at once, desyncs allows a player to use one ice climber to cover the moves of another ice climber, effectively reducing move lag time and punishing opportunities for opponents. While technically not desynced, a blizzard loses the rear cover Nana provides as well.
4. Infinite Chain Grabs and Hobbling - Much of the IC metagame is to punish opponents mistakes by taking a stock, a trait that really isn't rivaled to the same extent by any other character.
5. Nana Meat Shield Factor - Especially in projectile based opponents, having Nana around might reduce the registered percentage of damage a player takes, thereby giving an IC player an advantage to win a round when a percentage tiebreaker comes into effect.
6. Lack of finishers - Outside of a smash attack, Sopo really has no finishing moves. Bair/Uair will probably be too stale from racking up damage, and it's harder to get a full charged smash attack to land without Nana holding the opponent. Also, Popo's Fair does not meteor like Nana's. Bungie-Jumping as an edge guarding technique is now impossible, so the IC's lose the longest ledge hogging invincibility time in the game.
However, more important, are the mindgames that one loses when forced to only go Sopo. Outside of the previously mentioned metagame disadvantages, a Sopo suffers from the following:
1. Lost desync deception: A player's ability to confuse the opponent with activity is effectively cut in half. Especially if a player effectively uses Nana's smash charge dragging capabilities,
2. Loss of enemies tentativeness to approach - Let's face it. One of the huge advantages an IC player has is the fact that the game really slows down for us because opponents are so scared of making a mistake and losing their stock via punishing infinte chaingrab. When Nana dies, they can breathe a sigh of relief because our main punishing weapon is gone from the match. They can afford to make a small mistake because they won't lose their stock for it.
Remember Popo's prayer: Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for Nana is with me
ch33s3
Smash Lord
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Always get 1st port when playing against anyone that isn't snake, and this will never happen to you. It's a controller port thing.
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
really? i thought its just what happens when someone grabs the ledge right as nana grabs it *shrug*
im always 3rd port so i wouldnt know haha
im always 3rd port so i wouldnt know haha
Zwarm
Smash Hero
EDIT: Nevermind, just checked the replay, I was 4th port, dunno why I thought I was first.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
port 1 wins in the event of a tie between hitboxes. this is why you want port 4 v snake as his grenades will hit him instead of you in the case of you grabbing him on top of a grenade.
LordAizen
Smash Journeyman
Do you have to be dysynched when doing the Chain grab combo?
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
frozenhobo is going to be soo happy
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
I'll answer so forzen doesn't have to.
When you grab with either popo or nana, you are automatically desynced. So yes. As long as you have someone in your grab, you're desynced.
-hopes this wasn't a troll-
LordAizen
Smash Journeyman
No it wasn't trying to troll. I'm new to the Ice Climbers so I wanted to know about that and I've been trying to do the infinite grab and I suck at it so I thought i was doing something wrong so I thought that I wasn't de synched or something.
LordAizen
Smash Journeyman
I'm just experimenting with the Ice Climbers because their infinite grab looks really cool. Oh well I guess I should keep practicing lol.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
You wont make it to being a real Climber on CGs alone. Quit now and stick with Marth.
LordAizen
Smash Journeyman
That's not very nice 
Besides i don't plan on relying just on the Chain Grabs but I know that's the main attack so i figured it's best to learn it right away.
Besides i don't plan on relying just on the Chain Grabs but I know that's the main attack so i figured it's best to learn it right away.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Im not here to be nice, Im here to tell you to learn the basics first.
No Ice Climber can survive on CGs alone.
No Ice Climber can survive on CGs alone.
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
what ever happened to Diddyknight?
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
i heard Hebrewhammer ****ed his mom lmao
Shurely
Smash Cadet
I've been having trouble with buffered throws. can anyone explain them to me and how to preform them. can it only be done if one of them is a back throw? thanks
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
just CG faster than you currently are
if the game doesnt you to go any faster then congrats, you are buffering throws
if the game doesnt you to go any faster then congrats, you are buffering throws
Shurely
Smash Cadet
haha i guess thats a pretty simple way of putting it.
EverAlert
Smash Master
Why are people on this board so mean?
Fair enough if he didn't look hard enough for info, but no need to outright tell him how to play this game.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Im mean now. Live with it.
Sieguest
Smash Master
That's going to get us more players.......
/sarcasm
And O.O
ealert posts.
/surprised
/sarcasm
And O.O
ealert posts.
/surprised