Social General Ice Climber Chat

[Cia]

Cool texture. Nana looks like a panda.. kinda

I've been playing around with the mid-stage hand off. my new favorite thing to do is popo F/D throw > Nana WD turn around grab. On occasion it's gotten my opponent close to the edge for more hand off hilarity.

 

[AshuRawRun]

Cool texture. Nana looks like a panda.. kinda

I've been playing around with the mid-stage hand off. my new favorite thing to do is popo F/D throw > Nana WD turn around grab. On occasion it's gotten my opponent close to the edge for more hand off hilarity.

I don't understand, can you please make a video of that?

 

[smakis]

It's basically handing off while facing the other climber, picture this: you are doing the handoff, nana grabs, you walk forward, turn around, face nana and regrab as soon as she fthrows. This is basically that but you do it midstage by f/bthrow and at the same time wd the same direction with nana, turn around and hit grab, causing you to do the same thing as I just described.

I can imagine this being really useful if you have your back against the edge and want to turn around for a normal handoff (though if nana throws immediately it can be though making it in time lol)

 

[choknater]

fox is hardddd so many different playstyles of fox in cali and gotta figure out ways to beat all of them

im getting better but hes just so good

the secret is being very good at the sopo vs fox matchup. making a mistake = losing nana.

so its like this

step 1: dont make a mistake/lose nana. stay synced if possible
step 2: be good at sopo vs fox

 

[PEEF!]

sopo vs fox is kinda very fun.

 

[smakis]

added a little extra on the hammer, fixed the color on nanas jacket, any ideas? criticism?

 

[Smasher89]

All you need i´s getting the grabs, which is basicly making their apporach a guessing game if you WD backward with fsmash or grab. Non approaching foxes is the ones I would counterpick like Corneria against, making their own weapon backfire.

Try to find the rytm of your opponents foxplayers speed, then get your own rytm to counter it =)

 

[AshuRawRun]

Smakis, your skin is really totally AWESOME, love it very nice work!

Chok, you just have to keep the pressure on the fox, a fox who's stressed is doing LOTS of mistakes, even the best fox players in Europe I've played atm...
Then you get some grabs and it's done...
If there's campy, you can desynch => throw 1 ice block, wave dash on him, with the ice block and jump up air when he jumps, if you do this 2/3 time usually they stop camping otherwiser you can continue since an up air is very valuable, you can get combos or grabs behind.

 

[PEEF!]

added a little extra on the hammer, fixed the color on nanas jacket, any ideas? criticism?

This is awesome, and I would love to download it, only if nana and popo were matching black -__- that kinda ruins it

 

[smakis]

that is kind of it, I dont really think it's complete before popo is black (hopefully they find how to do that soon). if anyone wants it anyways ill put up a download link when i get home

 

[Smasher89]

Atleast there´s a way to play as totally black ICs (start match with 4 ICs in the same teamcolor), maybe that can help?

 

[*P*L*U*R*]

Hey, although I'm not a Kingdom Hearts fan, I would LOVE to see a Heartless IC texture.

I may just have to settle for Black/white mage climbers though.

 

[PEEF!]

I want a Fox and Falco IC texture =D

 

[choknater]

ash

what if the fox is not stressed AND aggressive

there are some foxes that just have no fear

replicate 3 stocked me in tournament

im sure lucky would so something similar...

im learning tho, i just gotta keep finding fox players to practice with

 

[AshuRawRun]

ash

what if the fox is not stressed AND aggressive

there are some foxes that just have no fear

replicate 3 stocked me in tournament

im sure lucky would so something similar...

im learning tho, i just gotta keep finding fox players to practice with

I would call this the "Zgetto" type Fox, in that case, that's because the fox player is really good and he's confident with his char, I got no trick for this except a really good practice in Fox vs IC match up, now all the chaingrabs like Handoff etc, try to get some blizzard=> Grab and be tricky...

Those fox are the hardest I guess but you must keep a good mind and even the bests can be defeated...

But well I guess you should just practice a bit, and if there's only 1/2 fox able to beat you it's okay... There are some Europeans fox who are beating me in tournament atm (like Zgetto or Amsah) but it's just because the gap between my level and their is too huge...

Anyway I know a bit lucky and he's kinda ****, good luck to beat him! ^^'
(I'd really want to play him =D)

 

[Fly_Amanita]

Oh yeah, Chok, I don't remember if I talked to you about this at GSG, but I kept seeing you strike to BF against Fox; although I have a hard time pinpointing why, I think that's his best neutral against ICs. I recommend striking to Yoshi's or FoD; if, for whatever reason you're not comfortable with the amount pressure a Fox can apply on either of those stages, Dreamland can also work.

 

[choknater]

im starting to become comfortable with those small stages. getting shined is mentally easier to deal with than getting camped ahahah. depends on the player i guess, but yeah

youre right lol. i realized ics have 3/5 neutrals which are good for fox

dreamland is decent

i usually go to bf for edgeguarding but for some reason foxes make it back anyway. yeah idk why he is good there either, could be the platform heights. fox is just goooooood

 

[Ocean]

ICs vs fox pretty much comes down to how good you are at sopo.

 

[Cia]

AshuRawRun - I'll try and make a vid of it if i get some time this week.

Also - Wobbles @ mod =)

 

[StealthyGunnar]

Most of you may not have heard of me before, some of you may have.

Anyways, I'm working on some IC's stuff right now, which I think you guys will be pleased with once I'm done. But I'm not gonna post anything just yet in case someone else advances on it and credit is not given. I say this because I have not seen any of the stuff I've been working on on any vid I've ever watched.

 

[Binx]

Just share it, someone else might take it in a different direction than your imagining and we could improve faster, yourself included. It's dumb to tease, us... seriously what happens if you just give up and never tell us and it would have actually been helpful for someone else but you couldnt take it as far as you intended.

 

[Kyu Puff]

Or it might be something we already know, which is another reason not to withhold...

 

[Fly_Amanita]

Chances are it's something that we know about that he's never seen anybody do before because it's useless or at least vastly inferior to other options we have. Either way, withholding information due to paranoia about receiving credit is inherently absurd and counterproductive.

 

[StealthyGunnar]

As to current comments, I suppose I have struck a nerve within the community. Though you may think it's pointless, I believe it can be taken in a direction which proves it's usefulness. Sorry for teasing you, but this has happened before with other characters I have experimented with...

Say you grab with popo right? What would happen if you dthrow, then immediately wavedash blizzard w/ nana so she is facing popo? Would you have enough time to regrab w/ popo?


EDIT: If you wavedash off the ledge, do Ice block while wavedashing, and grab the ledge, the ice block will appear but then disappear as if canceled. I guess that's another thing.

EDIT2: why don't people use fthrow/dthrow > nana jump fair? It seems like its a good damage builder at low percents. (0-10%)

EDIT:3: I really don't have that much tourney experience w/ the IC's, but won't dthrow > blizzard work? or can they jump out of it?

 

[Wobbles]

1: You can't get Nana to blizzard backwards unless she's sync'ed with you, AFAIK. If you can, that'd be a really cool-looking way to do a blizzarding grab combo.

2: Close to the end of this vid you can see the iceblock being canceled early: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB9-vr_q6gg

3: The d-throw/f-throw -> f-air is good but smash DI-able, tech-able, and kind of inconsistent on the spike depending on enemy DI out of the throw. I like it though

4: D-throw blizzard can also be smash DI'ed, usually people DI'ing away will reach safe ground, shield, and be able to roll or something.

Glad you're being creative though, keep it up. At this rate you *will* come up with stuff that none of us have figured out yet

 

[StealthyGunnar]

lol thanks.

I don't think it is, but is it possible to possibly uthrow w/ popo and utilt / nana simultaneously? I've tried and tried but I don't think nana can utilt while popo is grabbing.

EDIT: kinda brawl style here, but near the edge, I just like dthrow/fthrow > jump fair. I just think it's so cool.

 

[PEEF!]

lol thanks.

I don't think it is, but is it possible to possibly uthrow w/ popo and utilt / nana simultaneously? I've tried and tried but I don't think nana can utilt while popo is grabbing.

EDIT: kinda brawl style here, but near the edge, I just like dthrow/fthrow > jump fair. I just think it's so cool.

Part 1: You can utilt while popo grabs, you just have to popo headbutt first. But if you tried to do it out of an uthrow, it will miss because the uthrow hitbox will overpower the utilt hitbox, and it would be worthless. Dthrow > utilt is okay, but really better options are almost always available.

Part 2: Fthrow/Dthrow Fair is cool and I use it sometimes whenever I am at the end of a handoff and my opponent is at about 40-60% Below that I'll just end with an usmash and try to get some uairs in. Above that I'll charge Fsmash and try for an edgeguard. But in this middle range neither will work, so I can go for the risky suprise spike to try and get the early kill. If it doesn't work and they meteor cancel or the spike misses, it doesnt matter really because I had no better option.

 

[AshuRawRun]

I'd like to have more videos, I got some stuff you might not have seen yet, it's not very useful, but entertaining to watch... But in all Paris, they're is 1 guy with recording stuff lol...

 

[Binx]

I miss the green name wobbles lol, I keep not thinking its you, go back to your old pic XD.

Yeah see none of those tricks were unknown or super useful so it would have been a waste to hide them, its good that you are being creative with their moveset since thats what ICs are all about, I personally have been trying to make better use my my b moves specifically forward b, nothing solid or new yet but yeah...

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

Side B is the best bait in the game.

 

[Wobbles]

Binx: Sorry, this bird is just too legit.

Forward+b (sync'ed particularly) is a wonderful move for giving certain characters little love taps that screw with their rhythm, specifically Peach and Ganon. They're tough to reach when in the air, but most of the time they will get complacent with their zoning once you jump because ICs have awful air control. Suddenly shifting momentum, tapping them a few times, then squalling away is both really cute and annoying. It's definitely punishable, but only if you're ready for it.

 

[StealthyGunnar]

Can someone smash DI out of blizzard if you dthrow w/ popo, jump > blizzard w/ nana. If this works, I'd rather use this because I am having trouble w/ headbutt > blizzard > headbutt, headbutt, > blizzard, but I can fthrow > grab > fthrow > fine.

 

[Ocean]

Can someone smash DI out of blizzard if you dthrow w/ popo, jump > blizzard w/ nana. If this works, I'd rather use this because I am having trouble w/ headbutt > blizzard > headbutt, headbutt, > blizzard, but I can fthrow > grab > fthrow > fine.

yes, they can DI out.

 

[smakis]

i like solo squalling with nana walking behind, if you hit with the squall you get a free smash with nana, or if you miss you have a pretty good chance to cover popo with biizzard/other moves (i never really intentionally do it though, its mostly when you recover with nana onstage and you manage to hit them with the solo squall and nana syncs with you)

on a sidenote, blizzobbling makes puffs sooo scared of resting you, even if they try it at 0 % you can desynch blizzard and grab right before it hits for them not being able to wiggle out.

 

[Vanitas]

Old vid, but perhaps worth a watch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mcp_lfVMV4&feature=grec_index

 

[choknater]

yea sync squall is mad good vs peach and ganon!

 

[ChivalRuse]

It's hilarious how there are still people who expect a synched squall to have landing lag.

 

[choknater]

one thing i like is that if i dair peach (and she doesnt cc)

i can shield before she can nair, as long as i land right after i hit her

 

[ChivalRuse]

Do you really think you should be shielding her nair? That's a good way to get shield stabbed by a d-smash.

 

[Fly_Amanita]

Synced squall -> dsmash is one of the funniest combos ever, although it only works if the opponent doesn't CC and it probably doesn't work on some of the floatier characters.