Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
Okay, I'll continue working on the guide once I finish this quarter. I'll set next Tuesday as a tentative date for a rough draft, which I may post here for feedback before posting a final version as a new thread.
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choknater
Smash Obsessed
you got this fly!!!!!!!
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
That kind of makes me sad. I tryed doing a video guide for the ice climber boards and a grab thing twice oh well can I help with this and get details on stuff, maybe I could reseach the percents for the b-throw bowser chain throw. I think it works on gannon also.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
pointless son
ShootingStars
Smash Apprentice
no one plays bowser lol
choknater
Smash Obsessed
i got a vid recorded of me 4-stocking my friends peach
granted he was probably playing reallly dumb because of the pressure of the fact that we were recording
but man
i do some **** stuff. lol
granted he was probably playing reallly dumb because of the pressure of the fact that we were recording
but man
i do some **** stuff. lol
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
I would be cool to see a new vid of you Andre.
Brandon was just talking about how good you are.
Brandon was just talking about how good you are.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Do you guys have more trouble with Mario or Doc? They're both pretty annoying...
choknater
Smash Obsessed
doc
mario is fast but he cant mess with our shield as bad
cuz doc's fair and dsmash ****
brandon's doc is so good
i like his... wd back... walk up... jab DSMASH
mario is fast but he cant mess with our shield as bad
cuz doc's fair and dsmash ****
brandon's doc is so good
i like his... wd back... walk up... jab DSMASH
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
Haha yeah Brandon is all about wave dash back, he actually just taught me how to add that to my game not to long ago.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
i think i gamble a lot in my playstyle lol
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
But the reward is that you are pretty hard to read and beat. Atleast that is what Brandon said like a week or so ago.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
yea im starting to balance it out more though
like sometimes fly has some really good defensive options and im like 'oh snap, i should play it safe like him sometimes'
but then i also know that sometimes random wd smashes really get off
same with those jab mixups
its all about momentum
like sometimes fly has some really good defensive options and im like 'oh snap, i should play it safe like him sometimes'
but then i also know that sometimes random wd smashes really get off
same with those jab mixups
its all about momentum
Vanitas
Smash Ace
Hey iunno if you guys know about this but i find this desynch pretty useful
first you face away from the opponent, wavedash towards them (stlll facing away from them), and then Ftilt towards the opponent all in one quick succession
Popo will ftilt
Nana will jab behind you for some reason leading to a desynch!
in steps its:
1. Face away from the opponent
2. Wavedash TOWARDS the opponent still facing away from them and quickly Ftilt towards the opponent
3. Hold Down B/B for a desynch!
first you face away from the opponent, wavedash towards them (stlll facing away from them), and then Ftilt towards the opponent all in one quick succession
Popo will ftilt
Nana will jab behind you for some reason leading to a desynch!
in steps its:
1. Face away from the opponent
2. Wavedash TOWARDS the opponent still facing away from them and quickly Ftilt towards the opponent
3. Hold Down B/B for a desynch!
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Does Nana or Popo do the blizzard/ice block, because Nana would be facing the wrong way, wouldn't she?
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
Even if Nana is facing the wrong way her Ice Blocks always shoot the way that Popo is facing.
Vanitas
Smash Ace
i just when back to playing and experimented this
Nana turns around for some reason and Blizzards!
Does anyone need a video proof? i d say this desynch is pretty useful
Nana turns around for some reason and Blizzards!
Does anyone need a video proof? i d say this desynch is pretty useful
SoiGreg
Smash Journeyman
A video is always helpful.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I desynched Nana with Ice Block and had Popo SH Blizzard. Then Nana did grounded Blizzard facing his direction.
WTF?
WTF?
When Popo blizzards, Nana blizzards the next possible frame. It sucks because it takes away from alot of cool tricks that the Brawl kids can do but we can't.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Yeah but I thought that Nana was supposed to turn around and face the other way. She Blizzarded with Popo in the same direction.
That's good right? Can you replicate it repeatedly?
SoiGreg
Smash Journeyman
When popo is in the air and Blizards, even if nana remains on the ground. If you do blizard, its like she jumped with popo and turns and faces his direction.
Edit: To make it sound better. If your in the air and blizard, nana will do it in the direction your facing. Even if you iceblock popo blizzard nana, she will face you. As long as your not using blizard at the same moment she is, while your both on the ground. She will go the way your facing.
Edit: To make it sound better. If your in the air and blizard, nana will do it in the direction your facing. Even if you iceblock popo blizzard nana, she will face you. As long as your not using blizard at the same moment she is, while your both on the ground. She will go the way your facing.
Vanitas
Smash Ace
i ll have a vid up tmr or something
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
Does anybody know how much shield stun the hammer's hitbox has when we shoot ice blocks? When people are on platforms above me, I often waveland next to them and grab if they shield, but I'm thinking it might sometimes be better to just board the platform with land-canceled ice blocks right next to them and immediately grab. Popo might be able to grab when the opponent is still in shield stun from Nana's attack.
Actually, I'm not sure in what circumstances this would be better if it worked, but it's worth looking into.
Actually, I'm not sure in what circumstances this would be better if it worked, but it's worth looking into.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
wow
that would look so cool haha
i just uair ppl when im under them
that would look so cool haha
i just uair ppl when im under them
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Land cancel Ice Block is ******.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Do ice blocks have no landing lag or something?
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
Ummm
<--Noob
Land Canceled?
<--Noob
Land Canceled?
Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
You can cancel ice block lag by landing. It just has limited application because the ice block pops you up in the air; you either have to cancel it onto a platform, or shoot ice blocks twice in the air without landing.
Fly: The hammer has 6 frames of hitlag and 12 frames of hitstun. It would work, but I don't know how hard the timing would be.
Fly: The hammer has 6 frames of hitlag and 12 frames of hitstun. It would work, but I don't know how hard the timing would be.
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
Oh ok, I knew this, without knowing what it was.
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
I think land-canceled ice blocks might be really good for tech-chasing some characters on platforms.
Like, let's say you're in the center of Battlefield and a tumbling Fox is about to land on the middle of the leftmost platform. You jump towards the platform and shoot ice blocks to the left such that you land just to the right of Fox. If Fox tech rolls left, he might get hit by the ice blocks, and you might be able to grab him immediately afterwards and start a handoff. If he techs to the right, you should have more than enough time to run right and grab him on reaction, which also puts you in a good position for the handoff. If he techs in place, then he probably gets hit by Nana's ice block/hammer, which you can probably combo off of. If he doesn't tech, then he'll still get hit, but he might not be in hitstun, so you might not be able to do much off that. However, most Foxes (and other characters, for that matter), probably will tech in this sort of situation.
Like, let's say you're in the center of Battlefield and a tumbling Fox is about to land on the middle of the leftmost platform. You jump towards the platform and shoot ice blocks to the left such that you land just to the right of Fox. If Fox tech rolls left, he might get hit by the ice blocks, and you might be able to grab him immediately afterwards and start a handoff. If he techs to the right, you should have more than enough time to run right and grab him on reaction, which also puts you in a good position for the handoff. If he techs in place, then he probably gets hit by Nana's ice block/hammer, which you can probably combo off of. If he doesn't tech, then he'll still get hit, but he might not be in hitstun, so you might not be able to do much off that. However, most Foxes (and other characters, for that matter), probably will tech in this sort of situation.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Man. I can't wait till next week when I'll have people to test some of this stuff out on.
Vanitas
Smash Ace
And everyone ignored me...T_Talso, just sharing some random thoughts....
i have been doing the Ice Block Lift alot more often and i think its pretty effective in setting up grabs on top of platforms for fastfallers...(as shown in Wobbles' vid of Ice Climbers are Silly or something video)
Does anyone else do this or am i just crazy
anyways someone want to try out that desynch i was talking about?
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
lol, whoops
The desynch you're talking about is already known. IIRC, Wobbles does it sometimes. I never do it, although I really should look into it.
The desynch you're talking about is already known. IIRC, Wobbles does it sometimes. I never do it, although I really should look into it.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I'm gonna just start doing the fsmash regrab when I have spacies on a platform. I can't tilt down lightly enough.
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
That's the way I usually do it. On heavier characters, I think you can get away with starting Popo's dthrow while Nana is still lagging from something so she doesn't drop through the platform. You could probably also do silly stuff like have Nana short hop, so she fastfalls when Popo dthrows.
It's better to be able to just lightly tap down so Popo dthrows and Nana doesn't fastfall, although it is admittedly pretty hard to do consistently.
It's better to be able to just lightly tap down so Popo dthrows and Nana doesn't fastfall, although it is admittedly pretty hard to do consistently.
The shorthop is a pretty good idea really. I guess the skill is valuable enough to learn though.
On another note I can't wait to get my icees recorded so everyone can critique my terrible neutral game, but realize how good the metronome handoff is =)
On another note I can't wait to get my icees recorded so everyone can critique my terrible neutral game, but realize how good the metronome handoff is =)