Gears of War 3

[ThreeX]

Bulletstorm EE beta codes are now live just to let everyone know D:

Along with the dedi servers (I think) and they're pretty ****ing clean...<3

 

[Pluvia]

Got it downloaded, just starting a match.

Edit:

Not liking it so far.

Edit Edit: I do now I'm using the Sawn Off. I have a kill for EVERY bullet I've shot.

 

[ThreeX]

Got it downloaded, just starting a match.

Edit:

Not liking it so far.

Edit Edit: I do now I'm using the Sawn Off. I have a kill for EVERY bullet I've shot.

Hmm, what is it that you don't like?

 

[Pluvia]

Long range Gnasher and no power on Inks. Digger Launcher also decides if it wants to get kills depending on what side of the bed it got out of.

Generally I prefer the Sawn Off though, it's insanely easy to get kills with, honestly it's like 4 free kills. And I only have 1 loss out of about 40 odd matches.

 

[F8AL]

I don't think I can make it till Monday.

 

[Pluvia]

So I've won 45 matches and lost 1, have 380 kills and 130 deaths.

PLancer seems to be insanely powered though. It also downs people like they're made of nothing.

Edit: I like how this game has been out for almost 12 hours now, everyone was mega hyped for it, but the activity in this thread is non-existent.

 

[MuraRengan]

The primary issue right now with the game is decreasing the Plancer's power, the power is ridiculous.

People are going to complain about the sawed-off. I've learned to avoid it (somewhat successfully) by baiting people who use it, but I wouldn't expect the larger population of gears to figure out.

 

[Wretched]

Wuts a Plancer?

 

[MuraRengan]

Retro lancer, also called the Pendulum Lancer, shortened to Plancer.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Remember that there were tons of balancing issues when GoW2 came out so expect a few changes to be made to the weapons when the beta is over.

 

[Wretched]

That's the whole reason there is a beta.
Its not like they're saying that this is the game and its what you're going to play. For all we know they could overhaul the MP completely.

 

[The Real Gamer]

I know that... Consider it stating the obvious then.

 

[Pluvia]

The Gnasher is so OP. Seriously it should not be able to get long range downs and double gibs. I actually think it should be considered a sniper rather than a shotgun.

Edit: Anyway that's me done for the day. No work so I had litterally the whole day to play this, my stats ain't too bad after 12 hours I must say:

Spoiler

 

[MuraRengan]

I'm impressed if you're not rolling with a team of friends.

And, LOL, the gnasher is the last thing you should be calling broken in the beta. The retro and sawed-off are way worse.

 

[BanjoKazooiePro]

Played the beta at my friends today. Already know what the scrub loadout is gonna be: sawed off/retro. Sawed off is OP, digger thingymajig is pretty stupid as well seeing as it has a large AoE. Retro needs to be nerfed big time, though.

With the sawed off, all you need to do is rush up behind people, blind fire/pop shot, then run away. Stupidest thing I've ever played with and I refuse to use it. Also, the gnasher is quite good, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it's OP. It could be nerfed a little, but it's not terrible.

If I had to sum it up, I'd say everything kills way too quickly. As I assumed it would be, it's way too noob friendly. Not to mention you can spawn camp so easily a cave man could do it. They messed this up pretty badly IMO. Quite disappointed. Let's hope they can clean this mess up....

 

[WindMajor]

The plancer and the sawn-off are the only 2 weapons that I have issues with.

Plancer is kinda strong, although it's not exactly overpowered. It's clearly the best of the 3 rifles though. Note though that it's easier to aim the plancer blind than to aim through your sights (which is messed up when you think about it).

The sawed-off is an atrocious piece of **** though. I'm learning how to avoid it by trying to get them to approach me, but sometimes the situation simply doesn't present itself and I have to rush. Things would be better if I were playing with a team though, so I can at least coordinate strategies, but going solo, it's just what it is. Playing the baiting game is what works, so I'm gonna try that.

I didn't take note of my W/L or K/D. I don't really care about them though cause I purely play for fun, but I'll be posting it regardless. I went solo, and I got into a lot of unfortunate teams, which sucked cause I lost a lot of games for it. I was top of the team almost every time though, so it's cool.

Overall, the beta is awesome. I like the gameplay much better than Gears 2. It's a lot smoother and I CAN ACTUALLY SHOOT STRAIGHT FOR ONCE WITH MY CONNECTION!

Before I forget, my GT is xi twinkatgc ix

If anyone wants to play, leave me a VM with your gamertag so I know who to accept and who to decline.

 

[Pluvia]

You people are having trouble with the sawn off? Just shoot them when you see them approach, you can see sawn off players from a mile away.

 

[WindMajor]

Just shoot them? I couldn't have figured that out myself.

Anyways, I only played for about an hour, and for fun too. I'm still adjusting to everything.

 

[Pluvia]

Apparently you're the only one Twinkie due to the amount of people calling the sawn off OP.

 

[MuraRengan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSq9g9bIPpc

I made a video about the retro. Gonna post it in the gears forums later.

And I'm willing to bet money that Pluvia plays like a coward.

 

[Pluvia]

You mean like those people that shoot you and run away? Wrong.

Really don't try to unnecessarily irk me because I wont drop it.

 

[Wretched]

He uses the Sawn-Off, so clearly he's getting up close and personal.
Don't worry about him, Mura.

 

[F8AL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSq9g9bIPpc

I made a video about the retro. Gonna post it in the gears forums later.

And I'm willing to bet money that Pluvia plays like a coward.

*Looks at video*

4 links and 4 dislikes.

 

[Wretched]

Its because the ******s who want to be able to win without trying don't want to face the reality that it is broken, as far as I know.

 

[Pluvia]

I think it's the fact that the people he's facing are idiots.

 

[Wretched]

Naaah.
If I were in a game with him, I'd prolly play like I did in gears 1/2 and try to rush with a shotgun noticing he has a machine gun out.

 

[Pluvia]

Well we can't balance weapons in 3 depending on how people played in the first 2.

The PLancer just needs a slight power decrease and it'll be fine, but not so much that the Gnasher will beat it from mid-range.

 

[Wretched]

Yeah, that's evident in the fact that it downs in 4-5 bullets without active.

 

[MuraRengan]

You mean like those people that shoot you and run away? Wrong.

Really don't try to unnecessarily irk me because I wont drop it.

Nah, I meant like people who play excessively defensively and base their entire play around waiting until other people make a mistake.

I'm just judging based on your comments, particularly about the one about the sawed-off being easy to beat. The only people who can see a sawed-off coming "from a mile away" are people who aren't too busy engaging in combat or other things to do so, meaning that you can see sawed-offs coming because instead of moving around or fighting, you're spending all your time watching other people. Your KD suggests the same thing, although, of course I can't really say for certain. Your disdain for the gnasher is also a big hint, because you sound as if you came straight from the Epic forums, where everyone there hates shotguns and the word "skill". Most of those people, I've learned from experience, like to camp, essentially, and wish that people who actively go out and get kills, aka "shotgun rushers", would quit playing the game. You show it even more when you call the people running at me in the video "idiots." Yet another hint is that you hate the gnasher, yet love the sawed-off, which is quite possibly the most ***-backward thing I've ever heard. Put simply, everything you've ever said reminds me of the people on the Epic forums, and 90% of them play like cowards. The only difference is that you are obviously better at the game than they are, but even I know some really good cowards.

He uses the Sawn-Off, so clearly he's getting up close and personal.
Don't worry about him, Mura.

Lots of people use the sawed-off as a deterrent, rather than an offensive weapon. They pick a spot to lancer/hb from, and if someone comes at them, they switch ot the sawed off, blow them away because the sawed-off is as good defensively as it is offensively, then continue what they were doing.

I think it's the fact that the people he's facing are idiots.

How exactly are they idiots? I'm interested in your reasoning.I know of only one instance in that video where what a person did was flat-out stupid.

 

[The Real Gamer]

I agree with Mura just judging from the videos the Sawn-off looks like a BS easy mode weapon.

I just hope people stay vocal about it... Which means Epic will fix the thing.

 

[ThreeX]

Nah, I meant like people who play excessively defensively and base their entire play around waiting until other people make a mistake.

I'm just judging based on your comments, particularly about the one about the sawed-off being easy to beat. The only people who can see a sawed-off coming "from a mile away" are people who aren't too busy engaging in combat or other things to do so, meaning that you can see sawed-offs coming because instead of moving around or fighting, you're spending all your time watching other people. Your KD suggests the same thing, although, of course I can't really say for certain. Your disdain for the gnasher is also a big hint, because you sound as if you came straight from the Epic forums, where everyone there hates shotguns and the word "skill". Most of those people, I've learned from experience, like to camp, essentially, and wish that people who actively go out and get kills, aka "shotgun rushers", would quit playing the game. You show it even more when you call the people running at me in the video "idiots." Yet another hint is that you hate the gnasher, yet love the sawed-off, which is quite possibly the most ***-backward thing I've ever heard. Put simply, everything you've ever said reminds me of the people on the Epic forums, and 90% of them play like cowards. The only difference is that you are obviously better at the game than they are, but even I know some really good cowards.



Lots of people use the sawed-off as a deterrent, rather than an offensive weapon. They pick a spot to lancer/hb from, and if someone comes at them, they switch ot the sawed off, blow them away because the sawed-off is as good defensively as it is offensively, then continue what they were doing.



How exactly are they idiots? I'm interested in your reasoning.I know of only one instance in that video where what a person did was flat-out stupid.

Playing smart is now playing like a coward? lol. Long range weapons being as strong as they are kind of makes rushing a little harder, especially when you're fighting against people with brains. Not to take away from Pluvia, good ****... but he's probably right about how he's fighting idiots. Pluv, are those stats from pub or ranked? because people in public are ********.

 

[Pluvia]

@Mura

Missing you constantly, even if they've come up behind you, and PLancer charging head first towards you which happens twice in that video.

Another thing that's evident is the fact that all of them whip out the Gnasher, apart from in the about 3 instances of missing you at point blank range with the sawn off, and try advancing towards you. If you have a PLancer out they should've just got into cover and Hammerbusted you. It's not exactly rocket science.

It stops shotgun chargers who think the Gnasher should be the be-all-and-end-all, and the Sawn Offers who think they can get 4 free kills, but when it comes up against cover and another rifle it might as well be shooting blanks.

@ThreeX Public. Never played ranked seeing as though public is usually more populated and all your stats don't transfer over to retail, making ranked moot.

 

[Fuelbi]

So when you select weapons like the Gnasher and the Plancer you select them just like you do in Gears 2, which is right before a match starts right?

 

[ThreeX]

@ThreeX Public. Never played ranked seeing as though public is usually more populated and all your stats don't transfer over to retail, making ranked moot.

Yeah, I just do pub when i'm messin around but ranked is fun when you have a full team. In ranked there are actually people who use their brain when they play. I won't say that there isn't any idiots in ranked, but there's certainly more skilled players.

 

[Roneblaster]

what upppppppppppppppppp?

add me on live if u want, about to hop on and play the beta within the next hour or so

GT: Reneblade

 

[Wretched]

what upppppppppppppppppp?

add me on live if u want, about to hop on and play the beta within the next hour or so

GT: Reneblade

:DDD
I gotta wait until the monday after spring break.
Bad timing.

 

[MuraRengan]

Playing smart is now playing like a coward? lol. Long range weapons being as strong as they are kind of makes rushing a little harder, especially when you're fighting against people with brains.

There's the mistake I was expecting someone to make. People always like to equate defensive, cautious playing with "smart" playing, and equate rushing with being an idiot, like Pluvia actually did later on, but that's not necessarily true. A player can be a rusher or camper and be smart or stupid.

For example, in Gears 2 I often rush several opponents at once in order to distract them from something else my team mates are doing.
Another instance is that if someone ever runs away from me, I'll rush them because I can get the upper hand way more easily when they eventually stop running.
If a person is at mid-range with a boomshot, I'll bait and jump away from the first shot, then rush the second shot and jump toward him when he shoots it, which will cause damage to me, but not kill me, leaving him without ammo (If I succeed the first bait, the rest always works.)
Or, if I notice some enemies going after an important weapon, I'll rush and kill the guy who picks it up and attempt to kill or get away from the others.

On the other hand, there are lots of times when playing defensively is one of the stupidest things I've seen. For example, in Gears 2, if I know that someone is hiding in a spot, I'll go and pick up other weapons because I know that most of the time those people are trying to wait for me to approach so they can have the advantage, but since I know they're not going anywhere, that gives me all the opportunity in the world to prepare.
I've seen other people, so set in defensive, campy ways that they won't help their team-mates who are being killed. And others, since their camp habits are so predictable, can be rushed and killed immediately.

So I completely disagree that playing cautiously and defensively is "smart" there's nothing inherently smart about it. The decisions a player makes are what makes them a smart player, and this is something possible by both offensive and defensive players, and should be manifested in both respects in a good player. That's why, instead of referring to defensive playing as "smart" I refer to it as cowardly, because it lacks the offensive capability that a player needs to have in order to be well rounded, and instead trades it for selfish and menial personal prides of having a high K/D or thinking that they're somehow smarter than other players without the dexterous ability to handle thos eplayers otherwise, and thus, garners no respect from me.

Furthermore, playing defensively is not smart, but it is safe, and safety is what cowards look for. I have always affirmed that a team of 5 with coordinated hammerbursts/lancers will dominate any warzone or execution match where opponents don't do the same, simply because the combined power of projectile weapons is too great and too easy to set up. That's exactly why I don't play execution or warzone, because a coordinated camping is the best strategy. It doesn't require that a player be well rounded in any way shape or form, and the ideal metagame of it would be one where two teams wait for someone to mess up with their distance weapons. That's what it comes down to. Think about it, why exactly does defensive play work? In order to get a defensive kill, a person needs to attack an offensive player. But if both teams were playing solely defensively because it's safer, then no one would get a kill until someone tries to make a move. This is another reason wht I don't regard defensive play as smart, because it's nothing more than taking advantage of someone else's impatience. This turns the whole thing into a waiting game, and utterly makes the game boring. But those people who do pride themselves on how "smart" they were because they waited longer around a corner than another person fail to realize that the "tactics" they use are fueled solely by the people who want to get something accomplished in the game, and if everyone played like they did, camping would be an ineffective and difficult strategy to pull off.

So instead, since rushers are inevitably the ones who make the game playable, I respect their intelligence far more than I can respect a camper's, because a camper's mindset is based solely around fear and uncertainty, whereas a rusher takes the uncertainty without the fear and decides to make something happen.

So in short, defensive play doesn't impress me one bit in the realms of "smart play." People who play defensively aren't smart, in fact, I'd argue that they are far less intelligent than rushers because rushers understand and have mastered the game to an extent to which they are comfortable and confident with their own ability to discern and execute scenarios of risk and reward based on knowledge of the game and how it works

 

[The Real Gamer]

Mura is actually right the only time you really want to be overly defensive (well at least in GoW2) is when your team is really down in numbers when compared to the opposite team, kinda like in a 3 vs. 5 situation.

If you don't go out and attack all you're doing is allowing your teammates to get picked off easier, which puts you in a worse and worse situation while your opponents get the numbers as well as the weapons advantage.

EDIT: This is coming from someone who has been able to maintain a 1.6 K/D in Execution for years without having to resort to making a new account... and my playing style is definitely offensive.

 

[Pluvia]

Mura, It's clear to see that you want the Gnasher to be the only viable weapon in this game, which is why you moan so much about the Sawn Off and PLancer. You also might think the two guys that PLancer charged head first towards you weren't idiots but I beg to differ, they were just asking to be killed.

You can keep your Gnasher rushing, that lone wolf style gameplay is incredibly idiotic and is usually used by folk that scream broken at everything that isn't a Gnasher, and I'll keep my smart playstyle and 98 wins, 5 losses and 2.9 K/D.

 

[WindMajor]

And I'll be the guy yelling very dirty things at the other team in Spanish, like a boss, clearly not giving a ****.