~Gardevoir~ Most Awesome Shield-Caster Ever. Or so.

[Shuma]

By your logic every single F-zero racer could become playable, 'cause they're in the background, and that doesn't mean anything.

 

[xianfeng]

They could, we don't know. Except for Samurai Goroh because the only sure things that 100% deconfirms a character is by making then a pokeball or an assist trophy.

 

[Mr. Ocax]

Anyone who says background characters are more deconfirmed than pokeball pokemon are really stupid. Background characters are pretty much deconfirmed, but Pokeball characters are a lot more deconfirmed or at least as deconfirmed.

 

[Shuma]

So Shy guys can also become playable? awesome i always loved the little *******s, and if Nook is not deconfirmed that means...

*gasp*

K.K Slyder can be playable! and all those animals in the stage, OMGOMG we might also be able to use King Bulbin!.

/sarcasm

Edit:

@Ocax:

At least Pokebal pokemons do something, backgrund characters don't.

 

[xianfeng]

KK Slider is a special event and all those characters do still have a chance, the background would hurt their chance but not significantly.

 

[adumbrodeus]

If Gardevoir can still be playable than I suppose Samurai Goroh and Lyn and all of them can too M I RITE?

Because Sakurai said that assist trophies cannot be playable.

Granted, it decreases chances, because it makes it more likely that Sakurai was throwing the character's fans a bone because it will not get in, however there is nothing to back up pokeball appearances, background appearances, stage hazard appearances, or anything else considered a deconfirmation by the smash community as being a true confirmation with the sole exception of the assist trophy (I believe it was in connection with the Lyn update, who happened to be my number one pick for brawl, that it was specifically mentioned that assist trophies were deconfirmations, however this was not said in connection with any other status considered a deconfirmation).

Sorry folks, but until the actual rooster comes out, or Sakurai gives us more concrete details about what he considers a deconfirmation, or the character is becomes an assist trophy or is confirmed everything is just predictions. They may be reasonable predictions, but there is no way of knowing if they are true until one of the above occurs.

 

[Shuma]

Dear god, i hate Pro-nook fans. He is Deconfirmed god damm it, why must Sakurai tell you "HE IS NOT PLAYABLE" so that you can understand? obviously Sakurai expects you to think by yourself.

 

[xianfeng]

God I hate ignorant close minded people. Nook still has a chance, Sakurai has hinted at his deconfirmation at all.

 

[Shuma]

Look, i'm very optimistic myself, but Tom Nook IS deconfirmed, he is in the background of a stage, no character in smash history has been in the background AND in the roster. Why would sakurai decide to change that now?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Dear god, i hate Pro-nook fans. He is Deconfirmed god damm it, why must Sakurai tell you "HE IS NOT PLAYABLE" so that you can understand? obviously Sakurai expects you to think by yourself.

Look, I DON'T CARE ABOUT NOOK!

I quite frankly, found animal crossing boring as hell, but they're right about one thing, nobody who actually makes the game design decision said that being present in a stage is a deconfirmation.


Sure, Sakurai expects us to think for ourselves, this is assumed because I'm sure he realizes that people think, but that doesn't mean that he expects us to get it right. Anything that we think on these boards are a best guess, except for when he does come out and say "he/she/it/potato is not playable" or alternatively "he/she/it/potato is playable". Nothing besides that, or what he specifically SAYS is equivalent to that matters in the end equation as far as which guesses have a chance is concerned.

Look, i'm very optimistic myself, but Tom Nook IS deconfirmed, he is in the background of a stage, no character in smash history has been in the background AND in the roster. Why would sakurai decide to change that now?

Not exactly much of a history to draw on, is it?

2 games, not that many characters between them, and not all that many characters in the background of stages which were "smash-worthy" anyway.

 

[Shuma]

Says so the one that thinks Gardevoir still has a chance of being playable...

 

[Black/Light]

IMO showing nook in the background 3 times in 3 DIFFERENT out-fits sure seems like a eavy hint that he aint playable. And untill we see a playable pokemon that is also in a ball than we can assume that ball=not playable. . .

 

[Fawriel]

Well, Brawlman, all I can say is it takes a mature person to really appreciate a pokemon like Gardevoir.

This could be potentially misunderstood...........

Well, uhm. Yay for keeping the thread alive or something? Well, as long as you don't start beating the bloody pulp out of one another, I guess it's okay. *scratches head*

By the way, I'm pretty sure that all my fellow supporters know that, unless something quite unlikely happens, Gardevoir won't make the cut anymore and that's that. The thing is, we all just got a little (too?) attached to that creature. I mean, I can't speak for them, but I never saw another character that looks so much like it could have sprung out of my own imagination.
So we were all rather sad about the deconfirmation. That's only natural; we're in a video game forum here, we are all people who care a little too much about things that aren't really that important.
So in the end, who cares if a group of people are happily bringing up unlikely points and such? We're just cheering each other up, having fun and stuff like that. There really is no reason to rain on anyone's parade here.

On that note, I really like the idea of Pikachu as a Pokeball. That would cause quite an uproar. It's not even impossible considering that there are infinitely many Pikachus, as there are most other kinds of Pokemon... *grins*

 

[adumbrodeus]

Says so the one that thinks Gardevoir still has a chance of being playable...

And that changes what?

As I pointed out, Gardevoir still has the exact same justification for not being deconfirmed as Nook, she is making an appearance in a manner which is generally accepted by the community as a deconfirmation but has nothing official to back up that conclusion.


Further, notice the character that I REALLY wanted for Brawl (Lyn) is one of the few characters not covered under this reasoning because it was actually confirmed that assist trophies cannot be playable.


So again I ask, why does restating a reasonable conclusion coming from a perfectly reasonable train of thought make the train of thought any less viable.

IMO showing nook in the background 3 times in 3 DIFFERENT out-fits sure seems like a eavy hint that he aint playable. And untill we see a playable pokemon that is also in a ball than we can assume that ball=not playable. . .

Again, it would seem that way, but you must admit that no official source released information that either of those thing equates to a deconfirmation. As such, it's just a guess, a reasonable guess, but a guess like every other guess, ultimately to be confirmed or deconfirmed at a later date by what is released by official sources.





Why do people insist on creating deconfirmation rules that differ from those of the official source anyway? They're just interpretations which boil down to guesses, yet people insist on them being the gospel truth.

This could be potentially misunderstood...........

Well, uhm. Yay for keeping the thread alive or something? Well, as long as you don't start beating the bloody pulp out of one another, I guess it's okay. *scratches head*

By the way, I'm pretty sure that all my fellow supporters know that, unless something quite unlikely happens, Gardevoir won't make the cut anymore and that's that. The thing is, we all just got a little (too?) attached to that creature. I mean, I can't speak for them, but I never saw another character that looks so much like it could have sprung out of my own imagination.
So we were all rather sad about the deconfirmation. That's only natural; we're in a video game forum here, we are all people who care a little too much about things that aren't really that important.
So in the end, who cares if a group of people are happily bringing up unlikely points and such? We're just cheering each other up, having fun and stuff like that. There really is no reason to rain on anyone's parade here.

On that note, I really like the idea of Pikachu as a Pokeball. That would cause quite an uproar. It's not even impossible considering that there are infinitely many Pikachus, as there are most other kinds of Pokemon... *grins*

I have no problem admitting it's unlikely that gardevoir will appear, I never said anything else.

However, it is extremely annoying to me that people think that EVERY FRIKING THING UNDER THE SUN IS A DECONFIRMATION!

Gah, there is one condition other then actually saying that the character is not appearing in the game that equals a deconfirmation, and that is an assist trophy because it was stated by the official source.


Oh yeah, and who says it's not important, Smash is a fun social activity, cause come on, who actually plays smash versus the computer for any extended length of time? Social life> almost everything else.

 

[Shuma]

Yeah the problem with all of you is that you think Sakura must tell you "X character is deconfirmed" to officialy deconfirm him, Assit thropies are just pokeballs for no-pokemons, Gardevoir IS deconfirmed.

Wich brings me to:

As I pointed out, Gardevoir still has the exact same justification for not being deconfirmed as Nook

Exactly.

Again, it would seem that way, but you must admit that no official source released information that either of those thing equates to a deconfirmation. As such, it's just a guess, a reasonable guess, but a guess like every other guess, ultimately to be confirmed or deconfirmed at a later date by what is released by official sources.





Why do people insist on creating deconfirmation rules that differ from those of the official source anyway? They're just interpretations which boil down to guesses, yet people insist on them being the gospel truth.

Because It's ****ING COMMON SENSE!. If the Character was meant to be playable then there WOULD BE NO NEED TO HAVE HIM IN THE BACKGROUND.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Yeah the problem with all of you is that you think Sakura must tell you "X character is deconfirmed" to officialy deconfirm him, Assit thropies are just pokeballs for no-pokemons, Gardevoir IS deconfirmed.

Says you, not Sakurai. Sorry, but just because you say it doesn't make it true. It would take an official source to make it anything more then an educated guess.

Wich brings me to:



Exactly.



Because It's ****ING COMMON SENSE!. If the Character was meant to be playable then there WOULD BE NO NEED TO HAVE HIM IN THE BACKGROUND.

Again, you are not the person who makes that decision, Sakurai is. It's not common sense for multiple of the same individual being on stage, but it happens. This is a game would which means that the creators decide what rules of common sense do and do not apply, since plenty of rules of common sense are dropped in video games routinely.

Especially common sense physics.


Plus, who says that the character is going to be in the background when they're fighting anyway? A nice common sense solution even in this universe.

 

[Shuma]

*sigh*

Well since it appears you might need an official source to go to the bathroom i'll just rop this argument.

Also, congratulations Xianfeng, it seems you have an ally now.

 

[Brawlman]

....Wow.....Umm....Uhh....That was one heck of a flame war....Let's stop before this thread gets looked. M'kay?

 

[HipsterKid]

They sure have a way of keeping the thread alive...

 

[MysticKenji]

That was srsly odd...

IMO, as far as pkeball'd characters go, there's a 99% chance they're not PCs and a 1% chance Sakurai will defy all logic and let them be playable [/$0.02]

 

[adumbrodeus]

*sigh*

Well since it appears you might need an official source to go to the bathroom i'll just rop this argument.

Also, congratulations Xianfeng, it seems you have an ally now.

Lol, but am I wrong?

I'm a political science major, so I notice fine wording distinctions like this.

I'm also an information systems engineering major so I know how that translates into probability and I enjoy making a point of the fine distinctions.

....Wow.....Umm....Uhh....That was one heck of a flame war....Let's stop before this thread gets looked. M'kay?

That wasn't one heck of a flame war, a few random (mostly implied) insults got thrown out, but for the most part it was people arguing passionately. An extremely minor flame war at best.

That was srsly odd...

IMO, as far as pkeball'd characters go, there's a 99% chance they're not PCs and a 1% chance Sakurai will defy all logic and let them be playable [/$0.02]

Which I agree with, it's actually more like 99.2% chance that they're not playable. But calculus will tell you that there is an incredibly massive difference between any real number and 0, and I felt like making a point about it.

 

[LightLink17]

I'm a political science major, so I notice fine wording distinctions like this.

Awesome. As a Philosopher (a rather novice one), I also have to notice fine distinctions in words. It wasn't too hard because I used to be big on Rhetoric, and it's equally valuable there to be able to weave words well.

At any rate...I'm certainly glad I missed this crappy discussion.

 

[Brawlman]

Too much logic! XD

Okay then! Back to speculating!

I just came up with a good Final Smash for Garde!


Family Reunion: Gardevoir cals out a Ralts, Kirlia, and Gallade to fight with her for a short time. The Ralts will use confusion to alter the controls of anyone he touches, Kirlia will use Hypnosis to make anyone that touches her fall asleep, and Gallade will just run around and kick the crap outta everyone.

 

[LightLink17]

It'd be like Pit's, except more awesome!

 

[Brawlman]

And they wouldn't dissapear after one attack.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Awesome. As a Philosopher (a rather novice one), I also have to notice fine distinctions in words. It wasn't too hard because I used to be big on Rhetoric, and it's equally valuable there to be able to weave words well.

Fun, philosophy is always interesting, I too have an interest in philosophy, mainly social contract theory, yeah it's also useful for noticing fine distinctions, and rhetorical skills in general are.

At any rate...I'm certainly glad I missed this crappy discussion.

It wasn't crappy, it was fun!

Too much logic! XD

BLASPHEMY! No such thing as too much logic! Burn the witch!


*somebody chines in from the background, "but how do you know he's a witch"*

 

[LightLink17]

Fun, philosophy is always interesting, I too have an interest in philosophy, mainly social contract theory, yeah it's also useful for noticing fine distinctions, and rhetorical skills in general are.

I don't like social contract theory. Although Locke is okay. The entire idea though, in the end, seems like a fancy type of Moral Relativism. Which kind of kills it for me. But I suppose as a Political Scientist-in-training, it'd be important to study social contract theory.

And they wouldn't dissapear after one attack.

Pit's Disappear after one attack? That sucks.

 

[Fawriel]

BLASPHEMY! No such thing as too much logic! Burn the witch!


*somebody chines in from the background, "but how do you know he's a witch"*

That was awesome on so many levels.

I somewhat started studying philosophy now... it's not my main course, but the one I took as a main course turns out to be absolutely not what I wanted. So I'll have to find something else soon... maybe philosophy after all, if it turns out to interest me.
I love philosophy.

 

[MysticKenji]

Family Reunion: Gardevoir cals out a Ralts, Kirlia, and Gallade to fight with her for a short time. The Ralts will use confusion to alter the controls of anyone he touches, Kirlia will use Hypnosis to make anyone that touches her fall asleep, and Gallade will just run around and kick the crap outta everyone.

Very nice.

BLASPHEMY! No such thing as too much logic! Burn the witch!


*somebody chines in from the background, "but how do you know he's a witch"*

But how do you know he's a witch?

Philosophy is cool.

 

[xianfeng]

Well at any rate this topic title now refers to Gardevoir as an item so even if she wasn't deconfirmed (which she was 100%) This topic should still be moved to general brawl discussion because it is about Gardevoir the item not Gardevoir the playable character.

 

[LightLink17]

Or it could just stay here.

 

[xianfeng]

But it's for an item. What is an Item thread doing in the Character Discussion.

The Munchlax, Lyn, Samurai Goroh and Deoxys fans have realised their characters are deconfirmed, get over it and let the thread die.

 

[LightLink17]

No thank you Comrade Hitler.

I think it's okay to keep this thread alive. Adumbrodeus gave a good reason for it not to die.

 

[GimmeAnFSharp]

I wouldn't worry about it, Xianfeng. Eventually this place will be cleaned up when everything's official and Gardevoir will be put into its rightful place. Each character will have their own ONE thread, and all other discussion can be taken elsewhere.

 

[HipsterKid]

You know, this forum is called "Brawl Character Discussion." I have yet to see (point it out to me if it really says it somewhere) anything to says "Brawl PLAYABLE Character Discussion." Just saying though.

And this thread will have it's time of death but it is not going to be anytime soon, at least I don't think.

 

[Brawlman]

It won't. Not as long as I have anything to say about it!

 

[Lemon Drop]

Might have been posting but proof that Gardevoir is an pokeball item:

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/vids_1.html

Check the second halberd video

Gardevoir puts up some kind of circular shield around her, not sure what it does.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Might have been posting but proof that Gardevoir is an pokeball item:

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/vids_1.html

Check the second halberd video

Only Smashbros.com can determine what's official. Until then, there may be cases where unconfirmed Pokemon and Assist Trophies may be changed, removed, or given some other role.

 

[Lemon Drop]

Only Smashbros.com can determine what's official. Until then, there may be cases where unconfirmed Pokemon and Assist Trophies may be changed, removed, or given some other role.

So even when evidence is right in front of your face, you won't believe it until its on the Smash Dojo site?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

So even when evidence is right in front of your face, you won't believe it until its on the Smash Dojo site?

Not everything in the demos are kept. In Pokemon XD, Shadow Pikachu was in the demo, but not in the actual game. A similar situation can fall in SSB Brawl.