Ganon's Beard - General. Social. Rankings.

[Vermanubis]

Still useless, and Albert L looks more like Ganon then you do.

It is not by the breast size of which a Ganon is measured, rather, the blackness of that which pulses beneath his breast.

 

[Clai]

That may apply for some characters, but not for Ganon. Like I said, universal skill is moot when someone knows how to shut Ganon down. As Divi, Tero and TP pointed out, Atomsk showcased tremendous general aptitude, but this was applicable only because Pierce was implementing a playstyle that makes Ganon god-tier lol.

What do you mean it doesn't apply to Ganon? Of course it applies to Ganon! If you're going up against someone that knows how to respond to Ganon's options, , any chance of succeeding will be based on how well you predict your opponent's actions and respond with the appropriate option. In fact, someone with more universal skill is going to better when faced with perilous situations such as those because those with better skills do a better job of adapting and thinking on the fly. There's a reason top players do so well with numerous characters: because they're taking the abilities needed to win at the highest levels of play and applying them to the specific character they're using.

@TP, I agree with what you're saying, I was pointing out that it's a lot easier for players who've mastered the basic elements of the game to pick up specific intracies of a character (such as not attempting to re-choke Marth wtih Ganon) than having a player who knows everything about the character master the basic elements needed to win at high levels of play.

While I agree that Pierce was giving Atomsk way too many opportunities to strike, we don't have many opportunities to watch top players use Ganon. Also, do any of us really have videos against players that know how to completely shut Ganon down and demonstrate where their true "abilities" stand?

 

[Terodactyl Yelnats]

@Jimmy: Kalm never put him on, but if I had to say where he is, I'd say in Lords of Evil tier.

............... WHAT? Verm you're too nice to me <_<

 

[Vermanubis]

What do you mean it doesn't apply to Ganon? Of course it applies to Ganon! If you're going up against someone that knows how to respond to Ganon's options, , any chance of succeeding will be based on how well you predict your opponent's actions and respond with the appropriate option. In fact, someone with more universal skill is going to better when faced with perilous situations such as those because those with better skills do a better job of adapting and thinking on the fly. There's a reason top players do so well with numerous characters: because they're taking the abilities needed to win at the highest levels of play and applying them to the specific character they're using.

@TP, I agree with what you're saying, I was pointing out that it's a lot easier for players who've mastered the basic elements of the game to pick up specific intracies of a character (such as not attempting to re-choke Marth wtih Ganon) than having a player who knows everything about the character master the basic elements needed to win at high levels of play.

While I agree that Pierce was giving Atomsk way too many opportunities to strike, we don't have many opportunities to watch top players use Ganon. Also, do any of us really have videos against players that know how to completely shut Ganon down and demonstrate where their true "abilities" stand?

Nonono, you're missing my point. It doesn't apply to Ganon because, well, no other character in the game is easier to overwhelm and shut down. Ganon is such a quirky character that even if you read somebody, you won't always be able to act on it. As Ganon, you require intimate knowledge of specific scenarios and various options to cope with the situation. It doesn't matter how fast a thinker you are if you don't know how to circumvent Ganon's egregious flaws.

You need a specially formulated playstyle to succeed as Ganon against competent opponents. A general "read and react" playstyle won't cut it. It may as higher tiers, but not as lower tiers, Ganon especially. Almost everyone in my region knows how to play against Ganon now, so I have to constantly reformulate my methods. I have very quick reflexes and ask anyone: I can read anyone like a kid's book. But that alone doesn't nail me wins against these guys. I have to use every facet of Ganon to land wins.

 

[Vermanubis]

Hey, guys, I have like, the most fans in the world.

http://allisbrawl.com/group.aspx?id=10467

I'm so brilliant.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I have very quick reflexes and ask anyone: I can read anyone like a kid's book.

Play me at mafia.

 

[Vermanubis]

Play me at mafia.

Mafia? ._.

 

[Clai]

Nonono, you're missing my point. It doesn't apply to Ganon because, well, no other character in the game is easier to overwhelm and shut down. Ganon is such a quirky character that even if you read somebody, you won't always be able to act on it. As Ganon, you require intimate knowledge of specific scenarios and various options to cope with the situation. It doesn't matter how fast a thinker you are if you don't know how to circumvent Ganon's egregious flaws.

A good player will have his character's flaws in the upmost part of his mind and will be using his mind and reflexes to determine how to react to particular situations. Once the player figures that a particular option that works with high-tier characters doesn't work with Ganon, he'll quickly remember to not use that option and adapt to find options that do work. You say that you require intimate knowledge of specific scenarios, but the very presence of these scenarios are all part of the basic elements of gameplay. You're essentially combining what I'm trying to differentiate- it's better to have the mental ability to see these scenarios arise and essentially poke at it with Ganon's options until you get it right than to know all of Ganon's options at heart, but not have the physical and mental acuteness to apply these options when they are needed.

Yes, Ganondorf is easier to overwhelm than anyone else, but the act of overwhelming itself incorporates universal facets of the game such as stage positioning, movement and so forth. Avoiding getting overwhelmed is the same process for Ganon as it is for everyone else- it's just a lot harder to do that with Ganon because of his limited options.

Basically, the point of what I'm saying is that while the ideal top Ganon will have both the mastery of fundamental aspects of the game and the mastery of Ganon-specific information, I believe the first area is more important in winning at the levels that matter than the second area. Once you have the basics mastered, it won't be harder to tailor in the specific aspects of Ganon to your play.

 

[Dumbfire]

it's better to have the mental ability to see these scenarios arise and essentially poke at it with Ganon's options until you get it right than to know all of Ganon's options at heart, but not have the physical and mental acuteness to apply these options when they are needed.

Heres where I go wrong =/
I need to learn to read ;(

 

[adumbrodeus]

Mafia? ._.

A game totally about reading and manipulating people. It's awesome, and we play it at decisive games (sub-forum of forum games) and mafiascum.net all the time. Also played IRL.


Do the flash intro, it's fun.


Link is to an explanation of the game.

 

[Tero.]

Guys could you totally not call TD Tero?
It's really irritating while doing name searches and 90% of the posts are abour how incredible my Ganon is.

:rage:

 

[Dajayman]

I love Clai's signature.

MK is a tiny bat. LOLOL!

 

[Dumbfire]

Guys could you totally not call TD Tero?
It's really irritating while doing name searches and 90% of the posts are abour how incredible my Ganon is.

:rage:

Haha, thats pretty funny actually xD

 

[Terodactyl Yelnats]

Guys could you totally not call TD Tero?
It's really irritating while doing name searches and 90% of the posts are about how incredible my Ganon is.

:rage:

I really don't see why Name searches are that big of a deal honestly. Could you not just skip the ones where I'm in it?

 

[Tero.]

I really don't see why Name searches are that big of a deal honestly. Could you not just skip the ones where I'm in it?

It's not that kind of a big deal, just messin' with you.
It can be still annoying sometimes tho.

 

[Dumbfire]

To make it better, lets call him TeroD now.
Like TenaciousD.

 

[Terodactyl Yelnats]

Lmao alright, still sorry for the name stuff though. People call me Tero for the first time meeting me and I'm not really sure how to make them do otherwise

 

[Vermanubis]

I'll call you sweetie.

 

[Vermanubis]

Also, imposter Tero should stfu, 'cause he has plenty else in his name he can be called by, like "." at the end of his name.

Namesearch "."

 

[Dumbfire]

................................................................................................................................
See you're mentioned enough. lmao

 

[Terodactyl Yelnats]

That's great Verm, sweetie is fantastic. Just don't let your wife know

 

[Z1GMA]

I hate playing against MK in lag!
Just wanted to get that off my chest.

 

[Dajayman]

I hate lag.

 

[Divilenta]

I hate Verm because he's manlier than me.

But I love him for the same reason (no homo).

 

[Bahamut777]

I hate being *** ***** by same skill level players.
:/

 

[Z1GMA]

I runned Morphtronic and Batteryman.
Only went to one tournament, placed like 100st of like 300, wich was pretty cool, as I was like 6 years younger then like the rest of the people there o.o
I defeated 2 kids of around my age tough.

But Yu-gi-oh GX teached me English, and so many more things, and I always liked some of the names in there, like Doomfire. I stopped after the first season of 5Ds and started to go to brawl tournaments instead.

I haven't been to any IRL tourneys yet, but I might do in the future.
Probably with my Six Samurai Deck <3

I have a **** Dragon Deck, too, but it isn't very competitive in high level play.
It focuses on summoning King Dragun.

One good thing with yugioh is that it doesn't include Metaknight, lulz.
Blackwing Decks are Top Tier, but not entirely broken, right..?

Batterymen are pro if done well, but I can't say the same for Morphtronics "coughDEFORMERScough".

What Deck do you run?

 

[Dumbfire]

I left at the point were Lightsworn and blackwings were ****** the tournament scene, and to a further point DAD variants, although severely limited cause of DAD being a lmited card now.
Six Samurai is pretty awesome and has some potional.

 

[Bahamut777]

Last time I played YuGiOh, Cyberstein and Jinzo infinite power combo were legal and broken.
I miss that times...

 

[Z1GMA]

Last time I played YuGiOh, Cyberstein and Jinzo infinite power combo were legal and broken.
I miss that times...

Cyberstein > FGD + Megamorph = lulz

 

[Dumbfire]

Not as fun as the Chimeratech Overdragon OTK.
Too bad they ***** it by making Cyber Dragon limited.

 

[Z1GMA]

Not as fun as the Chimeratech Overdragon OTK.

How does it work?

 

[Dumbfire]

Its basicly cleaning the field with heavy storm/giant trunade, then sending a lot of machines and a cyber dragon to the graveyard with future fusion, and then immedaility use overload fusion to summon Chimeratech Over dragon.
If you send enouh machines to the graveyard youll have a strong enough Chimeratech Over Dragon for the one turn KO.

 

[TP]

As long as we are talking about card games, I got 25th out of 338 at a Magic tournament this weekend using the Magic equivalent of Ganon. :D

 

[ItemfinderDeluxe]

Cyber Dragon's back at 2 now, so you can do the Overdragon OTK. But the OTK still fails because the other cards you need (Future Fusion and Overload Fusion) are still both limited. This format's a pain though - too many X-Sabers. Seriously, look up "X-Saber Airbellum" - its a Yugioh Wolverine ripoff, and its everywhere.

@ TP - What kind of deck was it?

 

[TP]

I ran a GW Summoning Trap deck of my own creation, using walls and Gideons to buy me time before I Trap into Baneslayer, Terrastodon, Emrakul, or Iona. I have a good matchup against every top deck except I lose slightly to Jund and get DESTROYED by Mythic. By the time I was 6-1 at the tourney, judges kept coming over to me to look through my deck because they thought it was so cool.

 

[Dajayman]

Wtf are you guys talking about?

 

[Dumbfire]

Cyber Dragon's back at 2 now, so you can do the Overdragon OTK. But the OTK still fails because the other cards you need (Future Fusion and Overload Fusion) are still both limited. This format's a pain though - too many X-Sabers. Seriously, look up "X-Saber Airbellum" - its a Yugioh Wolverine ripoff, and its everywhere.

@ TP - What kind of deck was it?

Oh yeah X-Sabers. You got those too.
Kinda forgot a lot after not paying attention to it for like 6 months lol. and yes they look like Wolverine.

 

[Z1GMA]

Its basicly cleaning the field with heavy storm/giant trunade, then sending a lot of machines and a cyber dragon to the graveyard with future fusion, and then immedaility use overload fusion to summon Chimeratech Over dragon.
If you send enouh machines to the graveyard youll have a strong enough Chimeratech Over Dragon for the one turn KO.

Oh.. So you use 10 or more Fusion Material Monsters to give it 8000+ ATK?

My most satisfying OTK is when I Fusion Summon King of Oz (4200 ATK) and then Tribute him to bring out Great Maju Garzett (8400 ATK)
But that is with my 'Just for fun, Beat Down Deck', which isn't really that competitive btw.

 

[Divilenta]

I play pokemon tcg. Not as manly.

 

[Dumbfire]

Oh.. So you use 10 or more Fusion Material Monsters to give it 8000+ ATK?

My most satisfying OTK is when I Fusion Summon King of Oz (4200 ATK) and then Tribute him to bring out Great Maju Garzett (8400 ATK)
But that is with my 'Just for fun, Beat Down Deck', which isn't really that competitive btw.

I used to have somethign else with the Master of Oz lol.
Some card that let his defense be added by his attack for beast monster, so 7900 lol.
Man, I forgot all those card names <.<