GA Brawl PR updated 3/14/10. Now with Salt level status!

[Player-1]

I don't get why anything that has to do with OoS doesn't count, even if we only have 1 or 2 people there...

 

[da K.I.D.]

Is there any tourney this weekend?

 

[DRN]

Is there any tourney this weekend?

I dont think so, the next tourney is prob Combo Breaker on the 29th at USGA/Waba.

 

[Rayku]

I want to Money Match everyone in the top 10 on the PR for $5

 

[Purple]

I don't get why anything that has to do with OoS doesn't count, even if we only have 1 or 2 people there...

player-1, they do count, but they would count minimally.

Let's use MLG as an example. Biglou, Kismet2, and Joeysmash went, while no one else went at all. If we were to use this seriously as a bracket, the georgia rankings for this particular tournament would look like this

1)Biglou
2)Kismet2
3)Joeysmash

The problem with that is that a large number of players (read. the rest of the pr). Didn't get to defend against joeysmash.

So joeysmash would get an unfair advantage because some people couldn't go OoS to that tournament.

So, Out of state tournaments are only used for when two people clash in the rankings from how the in-state tournaments look. This makes it so it's like 'okay, they are both evenly skilled when in these tournaments, now let's see who is more active outside of georgia;

Besides, a lot of people can't go to out-of-state tournaments however are extremely active in-state (read: dynomite, scatt) . It wouldn't be fair to deprive them of their ranking they deserve, just because of their parents rules about leaving out of state with people they don't know.

I want to Money Match everyone in the top 10 on the PR for $5

Why don't you just money match the top 4? Considering those are the people you would have trouble with.

 

[Purple]

I'm trying to develop a system of how we make our rankings, so we don't have to have as much discussion, and instead, can just use the information and rulesets we have to base our ranking lists.


I want to confirm with everyone something, and get everyone's ideas of it.

First off, in order to be eligible for the power rankings, you have to enter three tournaments. During the time span of the season. Entering a tournament means..

• You paid door fee (or got it waivered).
• You entered Brawl Singles.
• You played all of your matches (allowing someone else to play your matches is not allowed).
• You played until you either lost**, or the tournament ends in your favor (get first place).

** 'losing' means you are out of the tournament by pools or double elimination standards (technically speaking, you lost twice in Double elimination, or knocked out by pools)

After your enter three tournaments, does the MM rule truly come into play.

[collapse=Money Match Rule]By money matching a person for five dollars or more after a tournament's end, you are both agree that the winner will take the highest ranking out of the two players. If the higher ranking person wins, the ranking switch is void. Tournament results have higher priority than money matches. In the case of a tie between a money matcher and a tournament entrant, the tournament entrant get higher ranking automatically (unless the money matcher was in the previous PR).

A Panelist of that specific season MUST watch your money match in order for it to be legit[/collapse]




Also, just so you guys know. For anyone who did a money match during that last tournament. Those would still count if this was accepted.

____________________________

I'm talking to Winnar from MS, and we're discussing the validity of the rules.

One thing that we've (he's) come up with is that low ranking players (or non-pr players) Can abuse this rule by spending loads of money just money matching high rankings players until they win.

We might have to implement a rule where you can only be a certain placing away from someone in order for your money match to affect the PR (for example, two places below or over)

 

[Rayku]

I can't wait for Ally to come into the GA PR thread and be like "hey Rayku wanna MM"

I want to Money Match everyone in the top 10 because most of them can give me trouble.

 

[da K.I.D.]

So this Roxy person...

Seems theyre pretty smart, and know what they are talking about.

But I will say that when I do the PR for my region, when it comes to the nitty gritty and when it can be hard to determine specific placings for certain people. I think sometimes good can be gained from introducing some opinion-based reasoning into the PR distinctions, instead of being extra rigid about it and always going by the numbers.

But then again theres a lot of factors to consider with how these things come out. Like for example going based solely on tourney placings in my region wouldnt work because of how infrequent the tourneys in my area are and how much or little certain people can improve in the encompassed time.

I will say though, that as an outsider looking in, it seems pretty accurate. and the Salt list is wayyyy too good and I might have to steal that.

but anyway, enough about that bullcrap.

What matters is that im here in GA until wednesday, and I want to **** your PR in money matches, since there wont be a tourney for me to go to. I want to chill with and play as many of you as possible, starting today. Im supposed to be getting picked up for a smashfest around 8 by biglou, so I better see mad people there.

 

[Purple]

I'm not smart. I just have a lot of time and thought on my hands. I don't mind doing opinionated rankings at all, however I feel there needs to be enough information to where someone who's being biased wouldn't have too much power (I'm not saying any of the panelist is biased at all, however there should be more than enough information to make an accurate rankings).

However, I would not mind hanging out with you sometime this week and playing some smash bros, we would just need a place to chill.

 

[DRN]

When is the smashfest? I wanna lose in a mm

 

[Purple]

When is the smashfest? I wanna lose in a mm

I actually have some spare dollars right here :O

 

[T3h Albino]

Smashfest on Friday? ionno

I'm down for some MM's
I will MM any Falco with Pikachu or MK I really need the experience guys.
Uhh im free Friday, but not the rest of the weekend sadly.

 

[DRN]

Smashfest on Friday? ionno

I'm down for some MM's
I will MM any Falco with Pikachu or MK I really need the experience guys.
Uhh im free Friday, but not the rest of the weekend sadly.

Im pretty much the opposite, im free on the weekend but im busy Friday..... most likely.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Unfortunately, due to the established schedule of the reason im actually here in GA in the first place, I wont be available thursday or friday until after 9 pm. and not at all on saturday.

But from Sunday to whenever my flight leaves on wednesday i will play anytime and anywhere as long as I can get a ride.

and for the record, I know all of the signs point to it but I dont like to assume. Roxy is in fact a member of the female species, correct?

also, alby, you can get at my falco as much as you please. Its definitely not at kismets level, since ive only been playing him for about a month and some change. But Black people are naturally good at falco, so I think it'll still be way too much bird for you to handle lol.

 

[Player-1]

and for the record, I know all of the signs point to it but I dont like to assume. Roxy is in fact a member of the female species, correct?

why yes, yes (s)he is.

 

[Rayku]

Yeah Jamaal's a bit...feminine if you get my drift

Hey KID I'm gonna IM you

 

[T3h Albino]

Rayku IM me too please, I wana feel special D:

 

[Purple]

Apparently I'm a female for having a peach avatar and making it's colors blend with her colors.

Makes sense though. Because what guy does that.

*checks peach boards*

 

[Purple]

What's i'm getting from Seibrik is that we shouldn't use tournament rankings at all. Instead we should use the results that came from each corresponding people. and everyone gets a record. Of who they beat, and when.

We use four designated tournaments (four monthlies), and after those four monthlies are done, we look at the results)

How does this sound? I might make the results for us if we decide to do this instead of the other system.

By the way, the way this would work is that we choose four (or five, or however many in a four month period) and if you feel you can make it, just ask me to sign you up for a record. I'll write all the information down for you and you can check your information via the 2nd post.

 

[Dynomite]

Whats this about a smashfest friday. I want to do something before I leave for a month to a dead state with nothing going on.

 

[Purple]

I do too, but my sister's coming from college, might chill with her.

 

[AllyKnight]

Hey Rayku 20$ MM for 1st in PR?

 

[Purple]

name searcher confirmed.

 

[AllyKnight]

name searcher confirmed.

I namesearch every end of the day ;D CONFIRMED.

 

[Player-3]

5 am is the begginning of the day though

 

[Purple]

super canada bros.

I have yet to sleep, been on smashboards and reading manga. discuss.

 

[Player-3]

Canada spans the same timezones



I woke up 90 minutes before i should have
Discuss

 

[Purple]

Go back to sleep, turn on your alarm on the clock and phone.

I know that P-3, i'm assuming that he leaves in a different timezone. I should've clarified though.

 

[Player-1]

I'll $20 MM you Ally, if you actually came to GA >.>

 

[Player-3]

it's still past midnight either way


so it's still the beginning of the next day

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Black people are naturally good at falco, so I think it'll still be way too much bird for you to handle lol.

This hypothesis was proven at MLG Orlando. He's very correct.

 

[BBQ°]

idk, Jamaal's money match rule sounds really bad.

Back in high school, my friends and I had our own little Smash community and I made a PR. I knew the PR was just a silly little thing to try to make my friends want to get better at Brawl, so I added some whack rules because it was just supposed to be for fun. One of those whack rules was that a PR member could challenge the PR member that was directly a spot above them.

That made the most sense because if a person that was ranked #9 could beat a person ranked #4, but also couldn't beat ranked members #8-#5, then #9 does not deserve a higher spot on the list. #9 would first have to take down spots 8 through 5, and then he could challenge spot #4. This is because a PR is supposed to portray a list of how well members do in their state/community, not how well they do against an individual member.

For example, last weekend Turtl beat Scatt in brackets. Let's say he did this except it was in a money match by your rules. That means Turtl is now ranked 5th, even though it is not proven that he is better than 4god or alby.

And even then, Jamaal, you're putting too much emphasis on money matches. I know you said that they still don't outweigh tourney matches, but even then, you're still making money matches weigh more than what they are worth. And I think Seibrik said that money matches that would affect the PR should be $10, because that's how much a tourney entry fee costs. a PR is supposed to be something honorable, so I don't think that 1 money match should affect the list so largely. I would say you can only challenge the person right above you. But still, 1 money match isn't enough to affect the list. Maybe 2-3, but idk, that's a lot of money.

you guys should just make a list of options and then vote.

 

[Dynomite]

BBQ I agree with your statement.

 

[Purple]

idk, Jamaal's money match rule sounds really bad.

Back in high school, my friends and I had our own little Smash community and I made a PR. I knew the PR was just a silly little thing to try to make my friends want to get better at Brawl, so I added some whack rules because it was just supposed to be for fun. One of those whack rules was that a PR member could challenge the PR member that was directly a spot above them.

That made the most sense because if a person that was ranked #9 could beat a person ranked #4, but also couldn't beat ranked members #8-#5, then #9 does not deserve a higher spot on the list. #9 would first have to take down spots 8 through 5, and then he could challenge spot #4. This is because a PR is supposed to portray a list of how well members do in their state/community, not how well they do against an individual member.

For example, last weekend Turtl beat Scatt in brackets. Let's say he did this except it was in a money match by your rules. That means Turtl is now ranked 5th, even though it is not proven that he is better than 4god or alby.

And even then, Jamaal, you're putting too much emphasis on money matches. I know you said that they still don't outweigh tourney matches, but even then, you're still making money matches weigh more than what they are worth. And I think Seibrik said that money matches that would affect the PR should be $10, because that's how much a tourney entry fee costs. a PR is supposed to be something honorable, so I don't think that 1 money match should affect the list so largely. I would say you can only challenge the person right above you. But still, 1 money match isn't enough to affect the list. Maybe 2-3, but idk, that's a lot of money.

you guys should just make a list of options and then vote.

actually, turtl can beat 4god AND alby in tournament in my opinion (due to MUs, not skill-level related in the lease). But now I'm just picking at your example .

The reason I'm making the money matches so powerful is because of the fact that the power rankings list in itself is very even in ranking except for top three. On top of this, people who MM are only people who want to solidify their spots on the PR, other than that, not many people are really considering money matching for five dollars and above. That being said, I don't think that if anyone who's 7-10 seriously played against Biglou or Kismet2, that they would beat them, and even if they did, they wouldn't do it consistently. Remember, the Power rankings doesn't also include who beat who, but also who beat who consistently. Yes, Turtl beating Scatt boosted him up in rank two placing. Since only one tournament is included, that makes the FMPOV rankings look VERY bad, and VERY different from the original rankings. However, if Turtl does it again in this next tournament (get a high placing beat the rest of the FMPOV PR and original PR), he would keep his spot as fifth right? If it doesn't happen again, and he loses against scatt, scatt would take his spot back, however Turtl would be recognized for being a higher player, and it could be used for him in ranking him closer to top 5-6.

Saying that a person *i.e. Turtl* can beat Scatt, however, not get any recognition at all. Would be dumb to me, and we take in that. After the season's over, a lot of money matches will have happened, along with a lot of tournaments. While doing one money match in itself is pretty huge, everyone in the PR wants to prove themselves (imo) that they are a good player, so they will more than likely play a bunch of people in and out of the PR (i know for a fact Dyno would, considering he's already asked me about AML).

I get what you're saying, It gives low ranking members too much power ,and higher ranking members no reason to money match people too low in the PR. But like I said, it's a matter of consistency, not a one time thing. While turtl's boost seems busted ridiculous, note that he's beaten everyone under him in tournament consistently until then, and 4god is gone this season. Don't you think his spot (until proven otherwise) is well deserved?

 

[Rayku]

I've never even met Ally and I love him (he won't even accept my facebook request) <3

But my request to MM all of the top 10 PR still stands.

 

[T3h Albino]

actually, turtl can beat 4god AND alby in tournament in my opinion. As a matter of fact, he has beaten alby in tournament before (final round), and also beat him in results this recent tournament. But now I'm just picking at your example .

The reason I'm making the money matches so powerful is because of the fact that the power rankings list in itself is very even in ranking except for top three. On top of this, people who MM are only people who want to solidify their spots on the PR, other than that, not many people are really considering money matching for five dollars and above. That being said, I don't think that if anyone who's 7-10 seriously played against Biglou or Kismet2, that they would beat them, and even if they did, they wouldn't do it consistently. Remember, the Power rankings doesn't also include who beat who, but also who beat who consistently. Yes, Turtl beating Scatt boosted him up in rank two placing. Since only one tournament is included, that makes the FMPOV rankings look VERY bad, and VERY different from the original rankings. However, if Turtl does it again in this next tournament (get a high placing beat the rest of the FMPOV PR and original PR), he would keep his spot as fifth right? If it doesn't happen again, and he loses against scatt, scatt would take his spot back, however Turtl would be recognized for being a higher player, and it could be used for him in ranking him closer to top 5-6.

Saying that a person *i.e. Turtl* can beat Scatt, however, not get any recognition at all. Would be dumb to me, and we take in that. After the season's over, a lot of money matches will have happened, along with a lot of tournaments. While doing one money match in itself is pretty huge, everyone in the PR wants to prove themselves (imo) that they are a good player, so they will more than likely play a bunch of people in and out of the PR (i know for a fact Dyno would, considering he's already asked me about AML).

I get what you're saying, It gives low ranking members too much power ,and higher ranking members no reason to money match people too low in the PR. But like I said, it's a matter of consistency, not a one time thing. While turtl's boost seems busted ridiculous, note that he's beaten everyone under him in tournament consistently until then, and 4god is gone this season. Don't you think his spot (until proven otherwise) is well deserved?

Aww yeahhhhh


P.S-Falco is really ****ing gay
P.S.S- MM's shouldn't be so powerful 0-o
P.S.S.S- Nap time ;3

 

[Purple]

I've already talked to you about the misinformation, i don't know where I got that from considering I was at the event x_x.

A rule that i've been discussing is that the Money Match rule only applies if they are near each other on the PR (a max of one placing higher or lower, any non-pr player would have to start by MM'ing #10, anything else is purely for the money)

 

[Dynomite]

Jamaal is too good

 

[da K.I.D.]

Sorry Rayku, im not going to be on aim much if at all, while im here, if you need to talk I can pm you my phone number tho.

 

[Rayku]

@KID: My phone number is 678.457.6984

Shoot me a text before calling. I get calls from random numbers all the time because of my work, so I don't want to greet like a *****.