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GA Brawl PR updated 3/14/10. Now with Salt level status!

Stage Striking or Random Select?

  • Stage Striking (FD, BF, YI, LC, SV)

    Votes: 58 66.7%
  • Random Select (FD, BF, YI, SV)

    Votes: 13 14.9%
  • Mutual agreement between players

    Votes: 16 18.4%

  • Total voters
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I do'nt mind doing this, because generally speaking, if a person is above or under you, they should be willing to solidify their ranking. playing you more only makes it easier for us to see whos better. I like this Micaelis :)

talked about the idea to micaelis a bit and came up with this.

In the sense of a rival rule, I agree with how it works out. This allows people who have trouble paying money, the ability to match PR for ranking. Howevre you're only allowed this rule for a few player

1) The player one slot above you in ranking
2) The player one slow below you in ranking
3) A non-PR member (if you're #10)
4) Someone who places one placing below or above you in tournament (at most recent tourney)

That's about it. At the opponent's expense, they can ask for a 2/3, 3/5, or 4/7 in a PR match if they feel like doing it.
the bold is where I got that idea from, but I guess Jamaal's crappy grammar got me confused.
 

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I was about to post but it looks like everything is pretty much resolved, yes?

Now we can get back to important things... like me taking all your regions money.

Me rayku and lou are supposed to be planning a smash fest between tomorrow and tuesday. Whos coming to get wrecked? Michael, you were the mk I was playing right? Money match? 5 bucks?
 

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I was about to post but it looks like everything is pretty much resolved, yes?

Now we can get back to important things... like me taking all your regions money.

Me rayku and lou are supposed to be planning a smash fest between tomorrow and tuesday. Whos coming to get wrecked? Michael, you were the mk I was playing right? Money match? 5 bucks?
lol, sure. $5 MM is fine. Don't know why you want to give me 5 dollars though ;)
 

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Include money for these prm matches. NO MATTER WHAT EVEN IF IT IS A SPOT FOR THE PR I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TAKE A MATCH SERIOUSLY UNLESS ITS TOURNEY OR MM.

I do not sandbag in friendlies ever, but honestly I do not keep the same head about these things when I'm in a tourney or when I'm just playing matches.
 

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the bold is where I got that idea from, but I guess Jamaal's crappy grammar got me confused.
Erm, it's not a grammar problem. Do you want me to explain it deeply for idiots?

Oh wait, I did if you read the whole thing.

I said later that you can put money on PRMs in order to make them feel more competitive. However it's only for people one rank above and below each other.

I'll add it specifically in that ruleset and bold it for idiots.
 

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KID who do you even play? I'd be down for a money match, although I think I'm going to get my **** wrecked LOL
 

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Also guys, if you don't want to remember it, you don't have to.

You don't care about the PRMs and think Tournament Results are totally awesome? Cool, I'm perfectly fine with that, just you better hope that you don't play off during a tournament match, and that your Money Match is accepted to redeem yourself, if not, your placing can be affected with no chance of revival.

There isn't that much to remember, There's only two rules, that are very simple. Only person who really needs to know the details are panelists who are participating in it (or Micaelis, because he's willing to help me get the info for PRMs)

The things to remember are simple (the example used it Turtl)

What's your ranking on the PR?

7

Check who is above and below you on the pr

Dynomite, Alby

What about FMPOV ranking?

Kismet2, Scatt

PRM or MM them any way possible to show consistency. Tell an official you want to MM/PRM them and you need them to watch.

Done.
 

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Erm, it's not a grammar problem. Do you want me to explain it deeply for idiots?

Oh wait, I did if you read the whole thing.

I said later that you can put money on PRMs in order to make them feel more competitive. However it's only for people one rank above and below each other.

I'll add it specifically in that ruleset and bold it for idiots.
I do'nt mind doing this, because generally speaking, if a person is above or under you, they should be willing to solidify their ranking. playing you more only makes it easier for us to see whos better. I like this Micaelis

talked about the idea to micaelis a bit and came up with this.

In the sense of a rival rule, I agree with how it works out. This allows people who have trouble paying money, the ability to match PR for ranking. Howevre you're only allowed this rule for a few player

1) The player one slot above you in ranking
2) The player one slow below you in ranking
3) A non-PR member (if you're #10)
4) Someone who places one placing below or above you in tournament (at most recent tourney)

That's about it. At the opponent's expense, they can ask for a 2/3, 3/5, or 4/7 in a PR match if they feel like doing it.
Tell me how "the ability to match PR for ranking" makes sense at all?
that ability to match power rankings for ranking...? Sounds like "people can play each other for their ranking"

"Howevre (lol, spelling) you're only allowed this rule for a few player"


...?


You're telling me that's not bad grammar? IDK what it is then, but it's a bad something.
 

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I just put that spelling in there to enhance my point that that post was hard to understand...that quote is still grammatically wrong and hard to understand.

I could point out about 4 other spelling mistakes....but it doesn't really matter because it's the internet...
 

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KID who do you even play? I'd be down for a money match, although I think I'm going to get my **** wrecked LOL
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=255695
You don't care about the PRMs and think Tournament Results are totally awesome? Cool, I'm perfectly fine with that, just you better hope that you don't play off during a tournament match, and that your Money Match is accepted to redeem yourself, if not, your placing can be affected with no chance of revival.
I that situation I think its youre responsibility to put something in place so that things arent unrepairably damaged from one tourney just because lou showed up to a tourney with a cold or albys mom yanks him out of a tourney early.

In my region, people usually get one pass for a tourney they might do bad in because if kismet gets 1st at every event, and gets 7th once, you can tell its just a fluke, but if he starts to consistently slip, then he gets moved down accordingly
 

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Yea, hes really good, Its annoying, because I can beat him, but him and pikapika, are the only ones who can consistently beat Cura.

ICs, I swear are the most polarising character in the game. Not even MK makes what character you pick so massively important.
 

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But seriously, your PR is amazingly weird. Like, I can understand some matchups being difficult for YOU personally, but some of your PR should have relatively simple MUs against Ike. What is your Falco main doing against San?
 

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http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=255695


I that situation I think its youre responsibility to put something in place so that things arent unrepairably damaged from one tourney just because lou showed up to a tourney with a cold or albys mom yanks him out of a tourney early.

In my region, people usually get one pass for a tourney they might do bad in because if kismet gets 1st at every event, and gets 7th once, you can tell its just a fluke, but if he starts to consistently slip, then he gets moved down accordingly
It's a good thing this has never happend befo......ohwait.
Naw I'm playin, much love GA.


But seriously, your PR is amazingly weird. Like, I can understand some matchups being difficult for YOU personally, but some of your PR should have relatively simple MUs against Ike. What is your Falco main doing against San?
You know Rayku's ike is good?
Imagine an ike that is about 10x better...

No offense to rayku at all of course.
 

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I can tell you a few things. These are my honest opinion, so you don't have to go too hardcore about it..

1) Bias towards player we know are good. - A lot of players get put on the PR, because we know that they are good, regardless of whether or not they enter our tournaments consistently. (A good example is Kismet2, who is relatively fine, because he beats everyone when he does come. A lesser example is Scatt/Alby, who will miss tournaments every now and again).

2) Not everyone who's skillful, is on their deserved PR placing - We all know who I'm talking about. However the problem here, is that if anyone beats him, it gives no merit. A good example is Micaelis, everyone has Rayku as a skill wall (Turtl, Alby, Scatz, and Dyno to name a few) and none of them can truly get punished for it, because Rayku isn't on the list. Micaelis is the only person to beat Rayku, not once, but twice, during the previous season. However since Rayku refuses to be on the PR, it's as if this match means nothing as well. While Mic's losses against Alby, Turtl, and Scatz affect him greatly.

3) Being able to prove yourself - To only go on tourney results, and any MMs you want. Players who lose $1 MMs, won't want them counted. People won't do random MMs (like, actual random character MMs) or anything theme based because the person can turn around and say that it should count for the PR. Is that really fair? The way it is now, is that someone is there to tell you "this will count for the PR, straight up", and if no one's there to tell you that, it's obvious that the MM is for fun, no more no less. It makes things more concrete.

But I mean really, I don't see why everyone's coming in here with random discussion. I mean no offense to the people talking to me, but...

Rayku
You're not even going to enter the PR for your own reasons, what does this stuff matter to you? Because you're a Panelist? If it bothers you, All you have to do is watch people's matches for a moment to make sure there's no horseplay. Sorry that you're having to do work as a Panelist >_>. You can appoint someone to watch the match you know.

Player-1
Don't you play pretty consistently in comparison to everyone else in GA? What are you worried about? Keep playing consistent, and you won't need MMs and PRMs to base your ranking. If you get challenged, just play them, that's not that hard either.

GTR
I haven't even seen you at all at tournaments. Are you actually going to participate in getting into the PR? Where were you at the USGA tourney if that's the case?

DA K.I.D
You've already said this, you're OoS. But on top of that, you're pretty high in your PR, you're well respected, you don't have problems beating the people under you, no matter when you meet them in bracket. What about people who have problems playing you early?

None of these things affect the actual tournament. You come in, you pay ,you play, you get a placing, if you're comfortable with your placing, keep it. If someone wants to MM you, it's all the same as a regular MM, there are a bit more rules, sure. But you play the MM the same way.

All in all, if you play correctly, you will get the ranking you deserve. These MMs and PRMs just give more competitive matches for people to play alongside the usual double elimination bracket.
 

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Look Jamaal, first I know that I haven't been to tournaments since last summer but I had school. I was in downtown with no sort of transportation. Therefore, I couldn't reach any tournaments during the whole school year. Now it's summer, and I've been home for 3 weeks. I've misses the May monthly but I plan on attending the combo breaker as well as a lot of other tournaments over the summer.

Secondly, we are all participating members of the Georgia Brawl Community (with the exception of K.I.D.) and we all think that we have input into some new ideas that will be put into place regarding the Georgia Brawl Power Rankings. Last time that I checked the GA brawl community wasn't run by you. And no I'm not trying to cause any sort of fight or argument, because I <3 bro and your a really cool guy. Every time i've talked to you its been pretty cool, however I'm just stating that there isn't really any reason for you to question our input because we have the right to post. P1 had an idea that I agreed with thats all really.
 

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my point has nothing to do with me...i just thought it was a bad idea and decided to add my opinion in. and why dont we put rayku on the list anyway? the melee players did it.
 

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my point has nothing to do with me...i just thought it was a bad idea and decided to add my opinion in. and why dont we put rayku on the list anyway? the melee players did it.
What this guy said, maybe seeing rayku on a list will make me able to beat him .-.
 

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Look Jamaal, first I know that I haven't been to tournaments since last summer but I had school. I was in downtown with no sort of transportation. Therefore, I couldn't reach any tournaments during the whole school year. Now it's summer, and I've been home for 3 weeks. I've misses the May monthly but I plan on attending the combo breaker as well as a lot of other tournaments over the summer.

Secondly, we are all participating members of the Georgia Brawl Community (with the exception of K.I.D.) and we all think that we have input into some new ideas that will be put into place regarding the Georgia Brawl Power Rankings. Last time that I checked the GA brawl community wasn't run by you. And no I'm not trying to cause any sort of fight or argument, because I <3 bro and your a really cool guy. Every time i've talked to you its been pretty cool, however I'm just stating that there isn't really any reason for you to question our input because we have the right to post. P1 had an idea that I agreed with thats all really.
Well, for one I'm going to take a step back and say I acted like an *** in order to defend my idea. Which I apologize for. I'd just rather us try it for one season, and see what results the rules bring. In the end, there will be two rankings, one that only goes by tournament results, and one that I got from all the information that was given to me. Whichever we feel is more accurate, by GA PR and community standards, will be what is used. Along with that, in coincidence to what rankings we choose, that ruleset will also be used.
 

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I don't know where you're coming from when you say I'm whining and *****ing about having to do work as a panelist. It's just unnecessary work. Like GTR said, what's wrong with the current PR other than everyone disagreeing on 4GOD's spot (which PROBABLY won't be there on the next update)

Give me a legitimate reason to do these PR matches and I might support it. Otherwise you're just trying to over-organize something

@Albino: Hell yeah dude San *****. I -dream- of a day I can meet him and get Ike tips so I can make mine tournament viable

@Player1: The Melee players don't really care about my request to stay off a list. I guess Jamaal and Lounis don't really care either, but I'd still like to stay off it so it's like a 1-0 vote lol
 

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I really don't have much to give you to make you see that's it's a decent idea, after all, you almost always place top 5. You're one of the consistent (as far as consistency goes in GA) players we have. Generally speaking, you go far enough to lose to the same people each tournament. So to you, tournament results is all that's necessary. Then you scowl at players like Dyno who are inconsistent.

This is just something to make it so that 5-10 is actually 5-10 for that season, not just what the tournament brackets decided to give them (while you would be around five, you don't want to be on the PR, so w/e)
 

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Well, for one I'm going to take a step back and say I acted like an *** in order to defend my idea. Which I apologize for. I'd just rather us try it for one season, and see what results the rules bring. In the end, there will be two rankings, one that only goes by tournament results, and one that I got from all the information that was given to me. Whichever we feel is more accurate, by GA PR and community standards, will be what is used. Along with that, in coincidence to what rankings we choose, that ruleset will also be used.
Its all good.

Based on the way you just explained the system it seems a lot more valid. And I know Rayku was saying that its over organizing everything, which it possibly might be, but if you are willing to compile all the data and results from it and make this 2nd PR then by all means I think you should do it. After a season is over we can compare the traditional rankings to what you have and just see which one is an overall better representation of the top 10 players in Georgia at the moment.
 

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Like, the way I see it, if Jamaal is willing to do all the work (minus all the observing stuff, I really don't mind doing that) with the info it's fine. I still just think it's unnecessary.

It's a personal thing, but Jamaal likes to do this kind of stuff. I think he has a problem with self-infliction LOL. There's really no talking him out of it
 

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But seriously, your PR is amazingly weird. Like, I can understand some matchups being difficult for YOU personally, but some of your PR should have relatively simple MUs against Ike. What is your Falco main doing against San?
SImple answer. Going offstage.
slight more complecated. theres a signifcant skill drop between spots 1-6 and 7-10 on my PR, (though MOSS is always improving due to my training :chuckle:

matchups arent set in stone brah. if you are good enough and know your matchups well enough, you can overcome any bad matchup, as long as your character isnt low tier. And lets be honest, we all know ike isnt low tier.


You know Rayku's ike is good?
Imagine an ike that is about 10x better...

No offense to rayku at all of course.
basically this.

I can tell you a few things. These are my honest opinion, so you don't have to go too hardcore about it..

1) Bias towards player we know are good. - A lot of players get put on the PR, because we know that they are good, regardless of whether or not they enter our tournaments consistently. (A good example is Kismet2, who is relatively fine, because he beats everyone when he does come. A lesser example is Scatt/Alby, who will miss tournaments every now and again).
In my region, if people are active they are put in ther proper spot regarding how skilled they are, and if they arent they are taken off entirely. I dont know if were you were alluding to with this part but thats how we do it.

2) Not everyone who's skillful, is on their deserved PR placing - We all know who I'm talking about. However the problem here, is that if anyone beats him, it gives no merit. A good example is Micaelis, everyone has Rayku as a skill wall (Turtl, Alby, Scatz, and Dyno to name a few) and none of them can truly get punished for it, because Rayku isn't on the list. Micaelis is the only person to beat Rayku, not once, but twice, during the previous season. However since Rayku refuses to be on the PR, it's as if this match means nothing as well. While Mic's losses against Alby, Turtl, and Scatz affect him greatly.
Well even if it did count, I would hope that it doesnt change anything. Beating one good person doesnt make you better than the 3 people that beat you... But I could see where a potential problem would arise here if you didnt take peoples matches with Rayku into account since he appears to be very skilled.

3) Being able to prove yourself - To only go on tourney results, and any MMs you want. Players who lose $1 MMs, won't want them counted. People won't do random MMs (like, actual random character MMs) or anything theme based because the person can turn around and say that it should count for the PR. Is that really fair? The way it is now, is that someone is there to tell you "this will count for the PR, straight up", and if no one's there to tell you that, it's obvious that the MM is for fun, no more no less. It makes things more concrete.

Money matches are never just for fun. I dont know about yall southerners, but I hate losing money...


Rayku
You're not even going to enter the PR for your own reasons.

What are those reasons if you dont mind me asking.



DA K.I.D
What about people who have problems playing you early?
They need to just sit down and get better. And why would you attempt to pander toward bad players anyway?

@Albino: Hell yeah dude San *****. I -dream- of a day I can meet him and get Ike tips so I can make mine tournament viable

Youre going to be disappointed. If I try to get him to help people and tell them what their doing wrong, he'll just do the mew2king thing and say "well, i dont know, just get better." lol
but if you still want to meet him, you (and everybody else) should come up to MLG columbus next month.

@Player1: The Melee players don't really care about my request to stay off a list. I guess Jamaal and Lounis don't really care either, but I'd still like to stay off it so it's like a 1-0 vote lol

Melee players in my region are like that too. I dont know why they do that, but its kind of disrespectful to ignore somebodys request like that.


Well, for one I'm going to take a step back and say I acted like an *** in order to defend my idea. Which I apologize for. I'd just rather us try it for one season, and see what results the rules bring. In the end, there will be two rankings, one that only goes by tournament results, and one that I got from all the information that was given to me. Whichever we feel is more accurate, by GA PR and community standards, will be what is used. Along with that, in coincidence to what rankings we choose, that ruleset will also be used.
Im kind of conflicted.
Nothing's wrong with it. But it doesn't add anything either. It's unnecessary
Its all good.

Based on the way you just explained the system it seems a lot more valid. And I know Rayku was saying that its over organizing everything, which it possibly might be, but if you are willing to compile all the data and results from it and make this 2nd PR then by all means I think you should do it. After a season is over we can compare the traditional rankings to what you have and just see which one is an overall better representation of the top 10 players in Georgia at the moment.

Because I pretty much agree with both of these posts. but if I had to make a decision, id be willing to try something different for one go.
 

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I just don't like lists determining skill level, especially mine. Kind of hypocritical seeing as how I'm a panelist...lol

Also our top 5 is virtually static. It's hardly changed at all since the first Brawl PR, so it gives one more spot for people to fight for considering a lot of GA likes the idea of being "top 10." The people below my potential spot know if they lose to me or not.

I guess the most legitimate reason I could give is that I don't really even play the game anymore.

About the San thing giving advice: He needs to put up some more videos then so I can watch them. D'you know of a specific channel he does have a majority of his matches on?
 

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Rayku would be 5th, knocking myself and 4god down a spot and potentially knocking someone off the whole PR. GA top 5 has been the same for a long time, but I see changes coming soon.
 

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yea I can see potential changes happening too.

After I money match everyone, ill be like 3rd or 4th.

@rayku
http://www.youtube.com/user/san3711
this is his channel, but that only has vids he puts up from his own wii, whereas as at tourney, he plays on multiple savable tvs, so you can just search san ike and see what you get.
 

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Duh, why do you think im here in this thread? lol

Lou told me Michael is having people over to his place again. (we played on wednesday night) so people should come out to that. but yea, ill be here. but my flight is at like 1 pm on wedenesday so I wont be able to do much of anything that day. but basically for the next 2.5 days, Im in marietta, and Ill play anybody anywhere as long as I can get a ride.

if you want to set anything up just talk to lounis or Rayku, they both have my number.
 

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i dont think it is disrerpectful...i really think that lounis and jamaal should just put him on it unless he does become really inactive


edit: also the pr is going to have big changes soon cuz im going to solidify my win against kismet and im not losing to lounis anymore =) (same with reflex)
 

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i meant that you were in marietta. i knew you were in GA, just not where.
Where are you?
i dont think it is disrerpectful...i really think that lounis and jamaal should just put him on it unless he does become really inactive


any time somebody respectfully asks something like that and you dont listen to them, its kind of like saying that you dont care what they think or how they feel.

edit: also the pr is going to have big changes soon cuz im going to solidify my win against kismet and im not losing to lounis anymore =) (same with reflex)
also, I realise that he doesnt live here, but why isnt reflex on this list, hes here enough isnt he?
 
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