FUHGEDDABOUTIT 1 Stevens Point WI tourey March 31(location changed read first post)

[lonejedi]

Wow guys.. this is why seeding is dumb. Why not just do it based on teams? Top 5-7 teams get seeds, everyone else is random.

 

[James Sparrow]

because some people may not enter teams, and teams skill isn't the same as singles skill.

 

[KirbySSB]

this is why I wish there were enough time for pools

edit: if we're fighting for top 4 seeding I will take that challenge as well

 

[element_of_fire]

JS, given that there isn't enough time for pools, teams seeding sounds like the only logical way to do it... if you do end up going top 4 kssb gets my vote, sorry gary you're still my favorite kinky asian

 

[Quaz]

I'm trying to figure out why seeding really matters.. only Top 3 are getting paid.. right? so why not just seed Tapion and Aaron in the appropriate areas? it may not seem like the best idea but if we have all of these people play eachother it will waste time, time is kinda something we need isn't it? otherwise I'd prefer pools for sure.. so overall just do those 2 and Im sure top 3 is guaranteed

 

[lonejedi]

Wow guys, I never knew seeding meant so much to you. Honestly, as quaz said, as long as the top 4 are seeded properly it doesn't matter. And the top 4 are going to most likely be the top 2 teams in the Teams Tourney. If they don't participate in teams, that's there own fault, and most people who actually ahve a shot at a top seed are going to anyways. You guys are so seed minded it's crazy. Just do teams, top 5-8 teams, get the top 10-16 seeds, and be done with it. If you are really a number 4 seed, you should be able to beat everyone else in the bracket, jeesh.

 

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[Tapion013]

Wow guys, I never knew seeding meant so much to you. Honestly, as quaz said, as long as the top 4 are seeded properly it doesn't matter. And the top 4 are going to most likely be the top 2 teams in the Teams Tourney. If they don't participate in teams, that's there own fault, and most people who actually ahve a shot at a top seed are going to anyways. You guys are so seed minded it's crazy. Just do teams, top 5-8 teams, get the top 10-16 seeds, and be done with it. If you are really a number 4 seed, you should be able to beat everyone else in the bracket, jeesh.

So if Chexr ended up not coming... and Aaron had no teams partner (or entered with a really bad one)... would you mind playing him first round?

At CC3, my partner was Seph, don't know if you remember or not, but he was one of the worst players at the time, defiitely not deserving of a one seed.

I don't like to sound unmodest, but if seeding is this big of a problem, I don't think you guys would mind having Aaron chexr and I have the two ones and a two seed, but honestly, as far as that last spot goes, it doesn't matter if you're a 2 or a 3 seed in your bracket, you won't play the one seed in your pool until the end if you actually are better. Even the 4 seed makes it to the winners quarters before he has to play the one seed. I do think a RR is in order though if it becomes that big of a problem with some of the other players (5150 especially who if he comes probably won't have a very good partner).

 

[lonejedi]

I understand y our point tapion, but RR will take too much time. We don't have time, and what about set ups? We would have to do one game RR, Random, to even come close.

The RR at HJ4 took almost half the day. I know this is a much smaller tourney, but if we're looking at a 1-2 hour RR, that could be bad. Just split up the obvious top players (Tapion, Chxr, Aron). Unless we do RR, Teams, although a bit inacurate, will be the best way to do it.

 

[Hank McCoy]

So if Chexr ended up not coming... and Aaron had no teams partner (or entered with a really bad one)... would you mind playing him first round?

At CC3, my partner was Seph, don't know if you remember or not, but he was one of the worst players at the time, defiitely not deserving of a one seed.

I don't like to sound unmodest, but if seeding is this big of a problem, I don't think you guys would mind having Aaron chexr and I have the two ones and a two seed, but honestly, as far as that last spot goes, it doesn't matter if you're a 2 or a 3 seed in your bracket, you won't play the one seed in your pool until the end if you actually are better. Even the 4 seed makes it to the winners quarters before he has to play the one seed. I do think a RR is in order though if it becomes that big of a problem with so(5150 especially who if he comes probably won't have a very go partner).

if iwere 2 *** id team w/ high ace who although is a good playerb isnt amazing in tems

 

[yoshii]

The round robins sound like a great idea. If time is a problem we could just get more setups or make people play just one match! It really woundn't be that difficult.

 

[CWolf20]

One game matches... I don't like it. What's wrong with standard double elimination tournament, seed the top 1/4-1/3 of the bracket? It's really not that hard.

If there's 32 people, we should seed 8-12 people. If there's 24, we should seed 8.

The rest of the group gets put into a random draw.

 

[illboyzeus]

I think seeding on teams is a bad idea because teams is an entirely different thing. Teams is not a show of one's skill, it is how good two are toghether. General consensus is that Aaron,Chexr, and Tapion are the top 3, and many others want to lay claim to the fourth spot. The round robin would probably be the most painless way to solve that problem, because you can't argue with results. The problem with just one game however is that you could be screwed on a level on random. Just imagine a Marth against a Peach on Yoshi's story, he has every advantage on that level, and should win in a test of equal skill. Now if the roles were reversed and peach was on Dreamland, she has the advantage. You can't ban every level you are disadvantaged on. If time permits it a double elimination seems to be the best choice, seeing as that is how every tourney is anyway.

 

[James Sparrow]

Seeding matters for more than just 1st -4th because without the rest it doesn't fit the definition of seeding. That is, with proper seeding, (assuming no upsets) finals are 1 vs 2, semis are 1v4, 2v3, quarters are 1v8, 4v5, 2v7, 3v6, sweet 16 is 1v16, 8v9, 4v13, 5v12, 2v15, 7v10, 3v14, 6v11.... etc. If instead of having 1-16, we had 1-4, and X-X that would completely destroy the entire object of seeding except for the semifinals and finals. as someone who probably falls into the upper range of the X-X i would feel pretty screwed over as i am just as likely to play aaron or tapion first round as anyone.

 

[Puffinator]

everything should be random

 

[Hank McCoy]

ok im on mii wii roite mow also if this turny dont hav sefding then illjus do doub:lz w/ highace, if i go. wii.

 

[lonejedi]

I have a gread idea for seeding. How about...... we have a duke out. last 4 left are top seeds. Then we'll repeat the process, until we have so many sets of 4's. Yes, this will be quick and fast, and acurate, because it shows our level of smashing.

But seriously, for all those arguing over being a 4th seed. Seriously, it's really sad, no it's extremely sad. You're fighting over being a FREAKING 4 seed, in a MN/WI tourney. OOO woopdy doo. Honestly. If you're worthy of being a 4th seed, and you get stuck playing one of the top 3, you should be able to survive loser's bracket, and stay with it, that's if you're worthy of it I guess. Honestly, why can't we just seed by teams, it's easier, faster, and theres no stupid stuff. Or do this, have tapion, aron, and Chxr automatically get the top 3 seeds, and then teams splits it up after that.

Fighting over a seed is what makes wisconsin look like total noobs.

If it makes anyone feel better, I'll take the worst seed, so no one gets the suckyness of playing Aron first round.

/rant

 

[Puffinator]

id rather have time to play friendlies than do seeding...
if ur seeded badly and ur such a great smash player ull have no problem coming from the bottom.

 

[Hank McCoy]

pepl who think seding no matters is not thinkinf or sonmethindg,. iyt matterz cuz if udont go to losetsrs brackeyt sk etly then u surto get higher plscre or u wil at least get nother shiot. i kno u guyz r smarter tha this pz jus think bout it <e3

 

[Black Hayate]

pepl who think seding no matters is not thinkinf or sonmethindg,. iyt matterz cuz if udont go to losetsrs brackeyt sk etly then u surto get higher plscre or u wil at least get nother shiot. i kno u guyz r smarter tha this pz jus think bout it <e3

what?


anyway, we need as many set up as possible.

people stop argue about seeding, we still have a week to worry about it

the most important stuff is
WE NEED SODA
TELL ME WHAT YOU LIKE. so i can get before tourey @_@ i'll take a count

 

[KirbySSB]

SPRITE

yah?

 

[ChronoSquare]

Well, the way I see it, why not combine all three ideas for the easiest possible time: Using RR and team standings to determine seedings for singles?

I'm not sure if you're refferring to RR taking half the day at HJ4 with singles or what, but why can't we aim for something like Beezo was, with RR teams then seeded singles? (At least I think it was seeded; I wasn't on the boards before I showed up.) With RR teams, the results would be the fastest way to determine a rough outline of power rankings amongst the participants...

I've been doing some calculations here to estimate how long RR would take given who appears to be going, and while I'm not done calculating that quite yet I have found that the maximum number of set ups needed is half the number of participating teams, so for example if we have 8 teams, those 8 could only use 4 set ups... (more is better though, so anyone not participating could do friendlies.) With the estimations for # of teams I've come up with, if we can get 8 to 10 set ups we would be in great shape for this...

...yet then again, there is the space issue; I've not been in Galaxy Hobby for some time, and so I don't know how much space we're being allowed... so, meanwhile the seeding issue is sidelined, why don't we see who'll be able to bring a set up (and what the max. could be for Galaxy Hobby) and we can go from there on what we can or cannot do with the seeding problem.

I for one will be able to bring a set up (along with a power strip, 5 outlets total.)

EDIT: Mountain Dew all the way.

 

[lonejedi]

NO to TEAM RR, no, just no. Although it sounds reasonable, teams takes longer than singles, and if we do it with RR, then it's going to take even longer. We're looking at 11-5p. That means 6 hours total. We simply don't have enough time for this.

I like Root Beer, Mug Please.

 

[OF 'til I OD]

I like Root Beer, Mug Please.

Barq's > Mug.

Barq's is my vote.

 

[Puffinator]

We cant even decide what soda to get x_x

diet caffeine free sugar free cherry vanilla coke 2005 christmas holiday edition

plz.

 

[CWolf20]

If you guys want to really eliminate all problems here, there's a very simple solution:

Take the top 3 or 4 teams from the teams tournament, and make them the seeds. There's no arguing, there's no fighting, there's no debate. 1st place team gets 1 and 2 seeds, 2nd place gets 3 and 4, 3rd gets 5 and 6 and so on. We should still only seed no more than 1/3 of the bracket, and I recommend 1/4.

I understand that the "best" may not get the 1 seed or anything like that, but it doesn't matter. The system is objective and simple.

EDIT: If not every player plays doubles, then they are SOL on the seeding, and so is the player that has to play them. If say, Tapion's teammate dropped out and no one could play with him, then he forfeits his chance at a seed. He, like the rest of the non-top 4 teams, will be put into a random draw as well. It sucks for whoever he plays, but that is the simplest and least biased way to do the seeding.

 

[eighteenspikes]

You guys, I totally agree with lone. We shouldn't be arguing over seeds. It doesn't matter AT ALL when we get knocked out, because only the top 3 get paid. So who cares about accurately determining everyone's placements, who cares about getting ****ed over in the brackets, and who cares about benchmarking your own ability by the people you can beat and the quality of your matches? The only important thing is that we know who's going to win the money. So what the hey, why are we even having a tournament if only the top 3 get paid? Let's all drive to Plover, put our $10 in a pile, and let Aaron, Chexr, and Tapion play for our money while we watch, and then let's play friendlies all day

 

[ChronoSquare]

NO to TEAM RR, no, just no. Although it sounds reasonable, teams takes longer than singles, and if we do it with RR, then it's going to take even longer. We're looking at 11-5p. That means 6 hours total. We simply don't have enough time for this.

I like Root Beer, Mug Please.

So... wait. If there's only going to be 11-5 that we can hold the tourney, when the hell will the football and other stuff take place?

 

[OF 'til I OD]

So... wait. If there's only going to be 11-5 that we can hold the tourney, when the hell will the football and other stuff take place?

It won't.

Sorry to burst everyone's bubble.

Even if there were time, I seriously doubt anyone would. They'd all be playing Smash.

 

[James Sparrow]

You guys, I totally agree with lone. We shouldn't be arguing over seeds. It doesn't matter AT ALL when we get knocked out, because only the top 3 get paid. So who cares about accurately determining everyone's placements, who cares about getting ****ed over in the brackets, and who cares about benchmarking your own ability by the people you can beat and the quality of your matches? The only important thing is that we know who's going to win the money. So what the hey, why are we even having a tournament if only the top 3 get paid? Let's all drive to Plover, put our $10 in a pile, and let Aaron, Chexr, and Tapion play for our money while we watch, and then let's play friendlies all day

this post owns.

 

[lonejedi]

You guys, I totally agree with lone. We shouldn't be arguing over seeds. It doesn't matter AT ALL when we get knocked out, because only the top 3 get paid. So who cares about accurately determining everyone's placements, who cares about getting ****ed over in the brackets, and who cares about benchmarking your own ability by the people you can beat and the quality of your matches? The only important thing is that we know who's going to win the money. So what the hey, why are we even having a tournament if only the top 3 get paid? Let's all drive to Plover, put our $10 in a pile, and let Aaron, Chexr, and Tapion play for our money while we watch, and then let's play friendlies all day

Good use of sarcasm.

I never even said that you all are going to lose anyway, nor did I say anything about giving up. I'm going to get called a lot of bad things, but i don't care. You guys are making a big deal, about something stupid. Time and Time and again, you guys worry about what seed you are, or what spot you get, and most of the time, you guys never live up to your seeding. Or you want the seed to be like, yah I was a 4 seed at so and so tournament. Why doesn't it matter what seed you get, it should matter, if anything matters, how you PLACE in the tourney. And as I stated before, worst case scenerio, you get paired up with one of the top 3, if you're really a 4th seed, you should be able to come close, or even beat one of the 3, and if not, you should be able to easily take down your opponents in the loser brackets, because remember, you're a 4th seed. Alot of us are at the same level, don't deny that. Look at the past 4 tournies, and it's going to be inconsistent numbers, with all of us averaging out at the same thing.

If you're a so called 4th seed, prove it, by taking 4th or better.

 

[James Sparrow]

so say #4 gets paired with #1 first round, and #6 gets paired with #5 in the next slot. #5 and #1 win, resulting in #4 playing #6. #6 loses, taking last place in a tournament he or she should have taken 6th at beceause of bad seeding.

 

[Black Hayate]

that is why i said, stop argue about seeding @_@


this is how the seeding should be decide

KUNG FU FIGHT lol
or free style fighting

 

[Aarosmashguy]

as long as im at the opposite end of the bracket away from Tapion everything is fine with me. Good arguments. Fun to read. Keep them comming.

 

[Puffinator]

this is lame.

 

[tar]

I think we should just bring a ****-ton of setups and do round robins. this way the noobs (such as myself, for instance) wouldn't be knocked out in 2 ****ed rounds, and everyone would have a fun time which *is* as i recall, the point of the tournament.

 

[James Sparrow]

just have tapion seed everyone. MN will provide him with our power ranking list, and he can go from there. I can't imagine anyone wouldn't trust his judgement.

 

[Remy LeBeau]

lonejedi is dumb!

i think that lonejedi is dumb, and we should do a round robin. that is all.

 

[element_of_fire]

here's an idea... lets just fuhgeddaboutit

 

[lonejedi]

i think that lonejedi is dumb, and we should do a round robin. that is all.

....... If you're going to insult my intelligence, at least do it with proper grammar.

JS, lets just have Tapion do it, agreed. The whole reason why I don't want to do RR is not because I don't want people to get unfair seedings, I just don't want to waste 3 hours of tourney/friendly time in playing people in pools. When we only have so little time.