From Brawl to Super Smash Brothers Wii U - The Differences

[Kokusho]

Implying that playing the game on a technical level isn't fun..?

"[...] JUST play this for fun", implying for nothing else.

 

[B.A.M.]

My summary of Sonic:
I'd like to give a little more detail to the blue hedgehog! Looking at videos of gameplay, there is a quick reaction time needed for some combos, he has quite a lot of ending lag. He is a great juggler though, his side smash and up smash is a great juggling KO combo. His down-a is basically useless, it's ending lag is way too risky. He seems a lot lighter then he was in Brawl, and lastly: his side-b is a lot slower then it was in Brawl. Overall, Sonic might be a low tier, funny considering he is "the fastest thing alive", yet they made him a lot slower...

Sonic got a ton of benefits from this iteration imo. he has a new down smash for killing and a great new dash attack that sets him in an advantageous position. Due to the lack of smash DI his fair and uair have become even better . His Fair still cancels before he hits the ground as in brawl which combined with the new histun allows a myriad of combos. I was able to pull off fair dash fair dash uair uair spring uair. He definitely seems to be strong so far.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

Its not fast enough is my point. I no longer get excited at character reveals because i know they are going to play just as spowly as the rest of the cast.

I suppose I see your point. I wasn't trying to be mean. I'm just frustrated Zero keeps talking about the characters when the base mechanics aren't up to par yet.

 

[proxibomb]

Sonic got a ton of benefits from this iteration imo. he has a new down smash for killing and a great new dash attack that sets him in an advantageous position. Due to the lack of smash DI his fair and uair have become even better . His Fair still cancels before he hits the ground as in brawl which combined with the new histun allows a myriad of combos. I was able to pull off fair dash fair dash uair uair spring uair. He definitely seems to be strong so far.

Strong, but somewhat slow.

 

[Prince Longstrok]

I suppose I see your point. I wasn't trying to be mean. I'm just frustrated Zero keeps talking about the characters when the base mechanics aren't up to par yet.

We can both agree on that, haha. I rolled my eyes soo hard I think I went blind for an hour when I saw he made a ****ing "tier list"

 

[Prince Longstrok]

Implying that playing the game on a technical level isn't fun..?

Alert the elders, we must convert him..

 

[κomıc]

Pit's recovery is bad. That's the only change. Goodnight.

 

[Ben Holt]

All I want is character balance. I don't care how fast paced the game is. The reason I prefer Melee to Brawl is because Brawl is horribly unbalanced. As long as all characters are at least on NEAR equal grounds, then I'll be satisfied.

 

[Captain Scar]

I really want to try out Link now! (and DK!)

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Just wanted to say that all these negative posts and youtube videos about the upcoming SSB4 are not killing my good mood and hype for the game... nope... not at all...

 

[Kink-Link5]

Why, oh why, are people evaluating an incomplete product?¿?¿

Definition
DEMO: an early, or partially incomplete product distributed to allow consumers free, but limited, entertainment.

People are voicing their concerns for a game they love and this is a problem?

If the game somehow has additional movement mechanics in the final build and new gameplay in general, as doubtful as it is from how similar it feels to Brawl, I'd be relieved, to be up front. But if the game ends up rewarding the same things as Brawl and makes the kind of show ZeRo put on in the invitational the norm, I'll stick to PM. Once bitten twice warned -- I'm not dropping money on a console for a game that has thus far not delivered in its presentation. I'll be getting a WiiU for Splatoon when it comes out, at the least.

I'm approaching this game with as much caution as I can. If I'm right, hey that's not so bad. If I'm wrong, then I get a product beyond my thoughts. Right now and as I have since the game was announced, I'm expecting "Brawl but with air tripping." Turns out there's no random tripping at all, so I'm already ahead of myself.

 

[kesterstudios]

zero didn't mention this but zero suit samus's grab starts and ends quicker from the gameplay I saw, which is very good and overall the developers are doing a great job with her. I hope this game is very balanced. I don't wanna see the same characters in tournaments or 1 character to rule them all *cough*metaknight*cough*. after all they do have 12 people balancing the game this time which is great since brawl only had 4 people balancing. and for goodness sake buff Zelda guys.

they also seem to be nerfing projectiles to limit camping and focusing on close combat by giving characters a better approach and I don't have a problem with that at all.

 

[JesseMcCloud]

"Mr. McCloud has changed quite a bit."
Erm... no I haven't.
And please, ZeRo, no need for formalities.

 

[Angiance]

People are voicing their concerns for a game they love and this is a problem?

If the game somehow has additional movement mechanics in the final build and new gameplay in general, as doubtful as it is from how similar it feels to Brawl, I'd be relieved, to be up front. But if the game ends up rewarding the same things as Brawl and makes the kind of show ZeRo put on in the invitational the norm, I'll stick to PM. Once bitten twice warned -- I'm not dropping money on a console for a game that has thus far not delivered in its presentation. I'll be getting a WiiU for Splatoon when it comes out, at the least.

I'm approaching this game with as much caution as I can. If I'm right, hey that's not so bad. If I'm wrong, then I get a product beyond my thoughts. Right now and as I have since the game was announced, I'm expecting "Brawl but with air tripping." Turns out there's no random tripping at all, so I'm already ahead of myself.

tl; dr

 

[DaDavid]

That's some encouraging words about Marth at least. Different but not necessarily worthless. I got very little play time with him and actually walked away feeling sad about his noticeable nerfs, but hopefully with time I'll be able to find some new way to main him.

 

[Kink-Link5]

tl; dr

If two paragraphs are too long for you I'm not sure what you're doing on the internet.

 

[Angiance]

If two paragraphs are too long for you I'm not sure what you're doing on the internet.

k

 

[Deleted member]

I'm praying that they take another look at Zelda after getting some feedback from the players and drastically buff her. I'll be majorly pissed if she ends up being awful again for the third time in a row. I'm seriously not understanding why they are having so much trouble actually making her a competent fighter.

 

[Moon Monkey]

"[...] JUST play this for fun", implying for nothing else.

We all are playing the game JUST for fun, the way we might set up the conditions or the way we approach the game maybe different, but everyone here plays the game because it's fun, no one is being forced and it's not a chore.

So making a comment saying one would prefer to play the game for fun, in an article where someone else is doing what they personally find fun; is undermining the other person's definition of "JUST for fun".

Alert the elders, we must convert him..

NOOOOO! I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling kids and that dog!

 

[BladeOFLucas]

It seems like Sakurai has yet again engineered another unique gaming experience, go Sakurai.

 

[Zimflare]

I genuinely hope that things change by the time the game is on store shelves. Nearly every section for each character had a follow up statement or statement prior to what you noticed that prepared people for the bad news. There was some good news. No Smash DI I feel is going to be a massive deal and I hope it's re-added. Ness' PK fire is going to give me nightmares.

Ness isn't in smash 4...

 

[Z1GMA]

What about ZSS' Usmash & Fsmash?

 

[TurboNoob]

I've played as Sonic more than anyone. So I'll be the one who describes Sonic and what's changed if you're willing to give it a listen. However, I only got to play him twice (once on the Wii U, once on the 3DS) so forgive me for not giving all the info. Ok, here goes:

One of the first things I've noticed is his dash attack. It could be my memories playing tricks on me, but in Brawl when he did a dash attack all he did was spin. But this time, he does a flying kick at the end of the spin animation giving him more space between him and his opponent. I haven't been able to confirm whether it has knockback, though.

The second thing I've noticed is that it's much easier to cancel with him now. A good example of this is his Down Special-jump-Up Air, which players are familiar with. Whenever it was used in Brawl, the Up-Air while not impossible to combo into was tricky because it was a bit slow. Not this time. I was able to cancel almost immediately into Sonic's up-air.

Speaking of canceling moves, his moves come out a lot faster this time around. The moves I have seen do this are his Down-Air, Forward-Air, Back-Air (yes, his kick comes out faster) and his Up-Air. If there are more, I apologize if I missed them. I was also able to cancel from a Down-Tilt to an Up-Tilt, if I remember correctly. His Neutral also seems to last a bit longer than before, too. Oh, and his Down-Smash is a split kick now. Don't know why.

There are things I wasn't able to confirm, like the footage Sakurai shared back in April where Sonic Down-Airs Marth and it sticks to him. I was too busy trying not to die. XD

I uploaded a Best Buy Smash-Fest thing (which I'm guessing you've seen) so if you want more of an in-depth look at Sonic just check it out.

 

[Ace76]

The fact that people are somehow justifying the unnecessary nerfs, or claiming a zero's not a reliable source is scary. The game is not in between melee and brawl. Its just barely faster then brawl, and thats only ground movement. Air movement is just as floaty. Nearly every characters combos have been removed or made more difficult to preform.
Lets cut the crap for a second unless sakurai does some major changing this game is not going to be good.

 

[TurboNoob]

The fact that people are somehow justifying the unnecessary nerfs, or claiming a zero's not a reliable source is scary. The game is not in between melee and brawl. Its just barely faster then brawl, and thats only ground movement. Air movement is just as floaty. Nearly every characters combos have been removed or made more difficult to preform.
Lets cut the crap for a second unless sakurai does some major changing this game is not going to be good.

Not to mention the fact it's still in development and they were taking notes at E3 listening to player feedback.

 

[Wyntir]

I feel stupid but what does DI mean? I see it n hear it on YouTube all the time. Lol still learning the smash language.

 

[ECHOnce]

I feel stupid but what does DI mean? I see it n hear it on YouTube all the time. Lol still learning the smash language.

• http://ssbwiki.com/DI
• http://ssbwiki.com/SDI
• http://smashboards.com/threads/a-gu...-teching-and-crouch-cancelling-updated.60218/

 

[IronMario31]

And after spending so many years playing as Mario, hearing that he has improved for the new iteration almost feels like a reward for being a loyal Mario main. xD

 

[Wyntir]

Thank u for explaining DI.
That knowledge helps a lot !!! Btw been ripping with Diddy Kong. Who else rolls with him?

 

[TurboNoob]

Wow...............

 

[Drover]

Keep updating us on Smash 4 Zero.

 

[Laserbeamed]

Am I the only who keeps hearing how several characters are faster or stronger and thinks that excitement over an individual characters speed increases etc. will fade when it just matches pace with the rest of the game?

 

[Jiggy37]

Perhaps the physics of this game are meant to be a tribute to the original Smash? Its floaty, grabs are KO moves again, and It has a speed between Melee and Brawl (leaning a bit toward Brawl, but oh well)

I'd be perfectly happy with the game if you're right and that's what they do. Smash 64 might not be my series favorite, but it definitely had its unique qualities like crazy throw knockback and ludicrously good down airs.

 

[Angiance]

Something else Smash Bros (64) has is gigantic combos; will we get gigantic combos in the final release? Did Sakurai remember what a "combo" is?

 

[-Se7en-]

Its not fast enough is my point. I no longer get excited at character reveals because i know they are going to play just as spowly as the rest of the cast.

K. Why are you here?

 

[-Se7en-]

Sorry for double post.

[+]Zelda's side b was buffed, it has a sweet spot in the middle that does a heap more damage.

[+]I think grab range was buffed too.

•It's taking a hella lot of control to not say anything to many of the ignorant people in this thread

 

[Doctor Pink]

To be quite honest, I don't care how the game turns out. My inner child is still exploding from all of the love that Nintendo is showing Megaman in this game. The only thing that would make me more ecstatic would be if Capcom approached Nintendo and said "Hey, you clearly care more about Megaman than we do, please accept the rights to Megaman". If they add any more Megaman music to the sound track, I'll shed even more manly tears of joy.

 

[Prince Longstrok]

K. Why are you here?

Because this is Smashboards and I love Smash.

Am I supposed to blindly suck Smash 4's **** just because its a new game?

 

[Darktega]

It's a good insight and a good analysis, but please, stop that "ZeRo" Suit Samus, lol.

 

[LovinMitts]

It's a good insight and a good analysis, but please, stop that "ZeRo" Suit Samus, lol.

ZeRo Suit Samus: Hispanic ZSS with a scarf thats too short. No matter what you press, she'll do her forward-B.