Social "Friends being fought for!" Ike General Discussion

[WwwWario]

I've started using Ike, and I love him. Something I'm wondering about, though: His Eruptition - why does it do the same amount of damage half-charged as fully charged? I tested (can't remember exactly the damage), but it did the same % damage around half-charged as fully charged. What's the point of charging it to the fullest, then?

 

[Baggy]

I've started using Ike, and I love him. Something I'm wondering about, though: His Eruptition - why does it do the same amount of damage half-charged as fully charged? I tested (can't remember exactly the damage), but it did the same % damage around half-charged as fully charged. What's the point of charging it to the fullest, then?

About 3 and a half seconds into Eruption, you get max damage and super armor. Charge it a little longer than that, you'll get recoil damage.

So there's no point to fully charging it. There's rarely a need to hold it for that long.

 

[shadowdude]

I was playing for glory and ran into another ike player and had some fun ditto matches. I was better then him but I felt good after getting him to learn some things like using his up-throw instead of just the down-throw and countering recoveries. It's surprisingly fun to help another ike player get better

 

[Arrei]

Unfortunately, other Ikes are so rare. Most of the time it's just some guy trying to do the salty runback with my main after I thrash him.

I try to kill them by Countering Aether as much as possible. That's the saltiest way for Ike to die, I think.

Heh. Speak of the devil, I post that and I actually run into an Ike on FG and, sure enough, my first death is from getting Aether countered.

 

[Rango the Mercenary]

I'm actually okay with Ike players being rare. I'd much rather us be an esoteric group than one that's disrespected.

 

[Tino]

I need to be here more often. Plus, Ikes are pretty rare in my experience, especially good ones, but at least he ain't Captain Falcon or Ness or Zero Suit Samus.

 

[the king of murder]

Dear lord the maintenance backround

XD "I fight for my buildings."

 

[Locke17]

Unfortunately, other Ikes are so rare. Most of the time it's just some guy trying to do the salty runback with my main after I thrash him.

I try to kill them by Countering Aether as much as possible. That's the saltiest way for Ike to die, I think.

Heh. Speak of the devil, I post that and I actually run into an Ike on FG and, sure enough, my first death is from getting Aether countered.

I've noticed that quite a bit, why do they feel the need to play as Ike (or the winner's main in general) after losing? I guess it's their way of saying, "You think you're so good, anybody can win by playing like that", but proceed to get stomped again. With Ike imitators they like Quick Dash camping, and throwing out random smashes( which with lag I sometimes get hit by lol).

 

[FlintIke]

It's something I noticed since I started playing smash 4.
Every time I use my 2nd and 3rd Robin and Roy and win matches,nobody even cares and tries to beat them.
But if I decide to play a session with Ike,FG players always switch to him after 3-4 loses immediately.
I think it is kinda funny cause it's rly just Ike for me where people have to "prove" something and I don't even know why lol.
But well whatever just beat them and shut them down I guess.

 

[C3CC]

Hello there, Ike mains! Hailing from the Mewtwo boards here. I came here to ask you guys a question.

See, my best friend mains Ike, while I main Mewtwo (along with several other characters). Sometimes, when I'm fighting my friend (e_e) I manage to get a read of his Counter and proceed to grab him...

... only to see that Mewtwo's hand goes THROUGH Ike and doesn't grab him. This has also happened to me with Yoshi's grab, so my question is: are there any frames in Ike's Counter that give some kind of invisibility or something? Or is it yet another flaw in Mewtwo's already horrible hitboxes? I don't think that's the case because it has also happened with Yoshi, but that's what I'm asking the experts for.

Thanks for your help guys! Have a nice day!

 

[Banjobeast158]

Hello there, Ike mains! Hailing from the Mewtwo boards here. I came here to ask you guys a question.

See, my best friend mains Ike, while I main Mewtwo (along with several other characters). Sometimes, when I'm fighting my friend (e_e) I manage to get a read of his Counter and proceed to grab him...

... only to see that Mewtwo's hand goes THROUGH Ike and doesn't grab him. This has also happened to me with Yoshi's grab, so my question is: are there any frames in Ike's Counter that give some kind of invisibility or something? Or is it yet another flaw in Mewtwo's already horrible hitboxes? I don't think that's the case because it has also happened with Yoshi, but that's what I'm asking the experts for.

Thanks for your help guys! Have a nice day!

I am pretty sure but i don't know. When i play with friends their grabs wont connect on me when i counter. Maybe it's because they whiffed but its seem to give him invincibility at some point from grabs.

 

[san.]

Hello there, Ike mains! Hailing from the Mewtwo boards here. I came here to ask you guys a question.

See, my best friend mains Ike, while I main Mewtwo (along with several other characters). Sometimes, when I'm fighting my friend (e_e) I manage to get a read of his Counter and proceed to grab him...

... only to see that Mewtwo's hand goes THROUGH Ike and doesn't grab him. This has also happened to me with Yoshi's grab, so my question is: are there any frames in Ike's Counter that give some kind of invisibility or something? Or is it yet another flaw in Mewtwo's already horrible hitboxes? I don't think that's the case because it has also happened with Yoshi, but that's what I'm asking the experts for.

Thanks for your help guys! Have a nice day!

Yep. there's some invincibility on startup.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

It was like that in Brawl as well. I think Marth and Lucina's counters have the same thing. Just a few frames at the start.

 

[C3CC]

Oh, that explains it then. It wasn't Mewtwo's fault after all. Thanks for your help, guys!

 

[wizardto1]

Hwy, remember Ryuga? He just played against Zero in Rebirth V.

Zero won obivously but Ryuga did well all things considered though. that SD though ;-;

 

[FlynnCL]

It's almost entirely because of the patches, but did anyone else go through a phase of absolutely hating his forward air during release (and longing for his old Brawl one) to loving it?

It's crazy to me just how good this move has been treated since 1.0.0; faster animation, earlier auto-cancel, larger hitboxes with increased disjointed co-ordinates, much better coverage to hit above Ike, lowered landing lag and now it's safer on shield.

Also, I've wanted to play his game for years now but this week I played and finished Path of Radiance. It was really good! I found Astrid and Nephenee to be absolutely broken which was funny.

 

[Ekans647]

SO what do guys think of the Shield Stun changes and how this will affect Ike?

 

[Arrei]

Anybody notice a trend of people on FG switching to Roy after losing to an Ike? I've been seeing that happen a lot more than the For Glory trademark salty mirror.

 

[Zatchiel]

Anybody notice a trend of people on FG switching to Roy after losing to an Ike? I've been seeing that happen a lot more than the For Glory trademark salty mirror.

That happens when I switch to Ike after playing a match or two with Shulk. Ike vs. Roy suddenly happens on omega Coliseum/Castle Siege.

Taunt taunt, giggle giggle. <3

 

[Banjobeast158]

SO what do guys think of the Shield Stun changes and how this will affect Ike?

I know back air is safer from personal experience; spacing is more crucial now. You can stay away from punishes more often with good spacing which is welcome!

 

[ReroRero]

EDIT : Lol never mind, should read better next time lol

 

[xDizxy]

Greninja is mid tier now? Better buff ike then.

 

[Heartstring]

Hi I have decided to start using this forum again.

How goes it fellow Ike kids.

 

[Oblivion129]

I played against a good Ike in For Glory then I wondered if it was @NeoArcadiaX_SM because there was SM at the beginning of the name.

 

[SimplyClutchh]

Hey guys, I won my first tourney today! It was only out of 40, but competition was pretty stiff in my opinion. Just wanted to say thanks again to this board for always sharing knowledge. I'll see if I can post videos soon.

 

[Oblivion129]

Hey guys, I won my first tourney today! It was only out of 40, but competition was pretty stiff in my opinion. Just wanted to say thanks again to this board for always sharing knowledge. I'll see if I can post videos soon.

Congratulations! I'd like to see those videos.

 

[Aquasition]

So I just fought in "Smash on Tap" (Toronto weeklies thing), and got 5th place( out of 26 or so people) as Ike.

Not only am I happy, as this is my first tourney, but I also noticed a few weaknesses with my Ike, which is good, because I can now focus on dealing with those weaknesses.

EDIT: Before I forget, here are the sets I played on-screen. The first set is in the beginning, the next 2 start at about 2:05:00

http://www.twitch.tv/evenmatchupgaming/v/20855749

 

[Banjobeast158]

So I just fought in "Smash on Tap" (Toronto weeklies thing), and got 5th place( out of 26 or so people) as Ike.

Not only am I happy, as this is my first tourney, but I also noticed a few weaknesses with my Ike, which is good, because I can now focus on dealing with those weaknesses.

Nice job!

 

[Yaki]

Spose I should start hanging here since I recently threw Ike into the mix of characters I play. Sup.

 

[Gunla]

Hey Ikes! We're currently discussing the Greninja vs Ike Matchup at our board. If you'd like to join and give your input, you can do so here:
http://smashboards.com/threads/mast...thread-s3-week-2-ness-ike-10-19-10-26.369356/

 

[ahannoush4]

Hey guys, so I'm not an Ike main but I like to experiment with him from time to time...

so I managed to pull this KO off the other day, how did aether hit him under the stage?

http://gfycat.com/TintedSandyFish

 

[Arrei]

I think Shulk's Air Slash extends the top of his character model a pretty significant amount into the stage when hugging the ledge. I remember Bowser Bombing near the ledge on Omega Skyworld in an attempt to ledge steal, only to have the grounded hit strike Shulk from under the ledge and carry him into position for the Bomb to kill him.

 

[Yoshino]

So, Does Anyone have any tips for the Radiant Hero of legend, Ike?

 

[Xuan Wu]

So, Does Anyone have any tips for the Radiant Hero of legend, Ike?

For Ike, you should adopt a mostly defensive playstyle rather than one that is aggressive. This means that you should be patient and try to space your attacks as much as possible to avoid punishment, as well as capitalizing on your opponents' mistakes when you see the opportunity.

With that said, here are four things that I would recommend integrating into your Ike gameplay:

1. Ike's F-air and B-air can auto-cancel on a short-hop; you can use the auto-cancel property to aid your spacing and for baiting opponents into your next attack.

2. Throw combos. Ike's are among the most powerful in the game. From 0% to low percent, use D-throw, then follow-up with any aerial. Once your opponent is at a percent where D-throw launches too far to combo, use U-throw, then U-air or F-air; this can be a true combo on fast-fallers, like Fox, at kill percent.

3. Use D-tilt often. It is Ike's fastest tilt, and its mostly vertical knockback trajectory puts your opponent in a vulnerable position, which will allow you to follow-up with another attack. At the right percents, this can true combo into F-air.

4. Use smashes sparingly. They are the worst attacks in Ike's moveset and should only be used for hard reads, or when anticipating a roll.

^-^

 

[Yoshino]

For Ike, you should adopt a mostly defensive playstyle rather than one that is aggressive. This means that you should be patient and try to space your attacks as much as possible to avoid punishment, as well as capitalizing on your opponents' mistakes when you see the opportunity.

With that said, here are four things that I would recommend integrating into your Ike gameplay:

1. Ike's F-air and B-air can auto-cancel on a short-hop; you can use the auto-cancel property to aid your spacing and for baiting opponents into your next attack.

2. Throw combos. Ike's are among the most powerful in the game. From 0% to low percent, use D-throw, then follow-up with any aerial. Once your opponent is at a percent where D-throw launches too far to combo, use U-throw, then U-air or F-air; this can be a true combo on fast-fallers, like Fox, at kill percent.

3. Use D-tilt often. It is Ike's fastest tilt, and its mostly vertical knockback trajectory puts your opponent in a vulnerable position, which will allow you to follow-up with another attack. At the right percents, this can true combo into F-air.

4. Use smashes sparingly. They are the worst attacks in Ike's moveset and should only be used for hard reads, or when anticipating a roll.

^-^

Thank You, Xuan, I'll be sure too.

 

[SilverEspeon64]

For Ike, you should adopt a mostly defensive playstyle rather than one that is aggressive. This means that you should be patient and try to space your attacks as much as possible to avoid punishment, as well as capitalizing on your opponents' mistakes when you see the opportunity.

With that said, here are four things that I would recommend integrating into your Ike gameplay:

1. Ike's F-air and B-air can auto-cancel on a short-hop; you can use the auto-cancel property to aid your spacing and for baiting opponents into your next attack.

2. Throw combos. Ike's are among the most powerful in the game. From 0% to low percent, use D-throw, then follow-up with any aerial. Once your opponent is at a percent where D-throw launches too far to combo, use U-throw, then U-air or F-air; this can be a true combo on fast-fallers, like Fox, at kill percent.

3. Use D-tilt often. It is Ike's fastest tilt, and its mostly vertical knockback trajectory puts your opponent in a vulnerable position, which will allow you to follow-up with another attack. At the right percents, this can true combo into F-air.

4. Use smashes sparingly. They are the worst attacks in Ike's moveset and should only be used for hard reads, or when anticipating a roll.

^-^

These are some good tips, I'll be sure to remember these as I use Ike. I do use Smash attacks way to often which Is a bad habit of mine. Thanks for the tips!

 

[Lily♫]

Any tips on keeping aggression down? I feel like at times I'm overextending too much or going in too often.

Also, is going offstage for an aerial ever better then using eruption to edgeguard? Been wondering since I have a habit of going offstage and trying to get a bair or dair.

 

[Yoshino]

Any tips on keeping aggression down? I feel like at times I'm overextending too much or going in too often.

Also, is going offstage for an aerial ever better then using eruption to edgeguard? Been wondering since I have a habit of going offstage and trying to get a bair or dair.

I honestly have to say going of stage with a back air is better and a little more guaranteed at best, And keep up pressure, Or rather aggression with tilts, Uptilt, On most it can kill as early as one ten, And try not to full hop most aerials as They have a bit of landing lag, As Xuan Wu said, Short hop Your aerials and You should be fine, Also, Ike's spike isn't really guaranteed sometimes, So don't try it most of the time unless You know You can get it, Also, As for edge guarding, Ledge trumping to a back are is good and is a lot more guaranteed than You think.

 

[Macedonian]

Hey all, i play a lot of ike now and am starting to use him seriously and he is my second most played character, so i might be chiming in here every once in a while, just wanted to say hi.

 

[Lily♫]

I honestly have to say going of stage with a back air is better and a little more guaranteed at best, And keep up pressure, Or rather aggression with tilts, Uptilt, On most it can kill as early as one ten, And try not to full hop most aerials as They have a bit of landing lag, As Xuan Wu said, Short hop Your aerials and You should be fine, Also, Ike's spike isn't really guaranteed sometimes, So don't try it most of the time unless You know You can get it, Also, As for edge guarding, Ledge trumping to a back are is good and is a lot more guaranteed than You think.

Alright, thanks. I've had dair kill without the spike before somewhat consistently so I just throw it out occasionally.