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zBOREDOMKINGz
Smash Apprentice
The switch isn't too hard imo.
I have trouble with the move from Items, like I'll be trying to find something and I can't find it. I used to have a mod that had the Dota names in Green font.
But I can't use that one anymore. :/
And 6 games of Dota is average? What is hardcore as ****?
I have trouble with the move from Items, like I'll be trying to find something and I can't find it. I used to have a mod that had the Dota names in Green font.
But I can't use that one anymore. :/
And 6 games of Dota is average? What is hardcore as ****?
Miharu
Smash Hero
i played hon for about a period of 2 months
i now have 0 problems switching between the 2
i now have 0 problems switching between the 2
practice_mAn
Smash Journeyman
miharu is a crazy mutha
i watched his sniper and wet myself
he was soooo busy last hitting 12345678 creeps that he could only say "TY" to me
i watched his sniper and wet myself
he was soooo busy last hitting 12345678 creeps that he could only say "TY" to me
zBOREDOMKINGz
Smash Apprentice
loooool
That's the best explanation.
My last hitting is getting a lot better. =D
That's the best explanation.
My last hitting is getting a lot better. =D
Miharu
Smash Hero
lol
there's a few reasons why my last hitting is as good as it is (and even then it could still use some polishing)
when i started dota, my friend emphasized last hitting and how important it was. his brother played high level dota before i even started (cal season 0, where they lost to as1 in semifinals, which was suncrusher's team back in the day), but that's a story for another day. funny thing is, we played pubs on lan with 4 of us, and i always ended up laning with this guy. his last hitting was pretty good, so pretty much i got something along the lines of 1 creep for his every 10 since i had no clue how to do it. so i eventually learned to just walk back and forth and rightclick on the creep when it reached approximately 1 hit.
afterwards, i progressed onto dxd where i learned that while in comparison to the average pub my last hitting was decent, compared to the average dxder it was pretty garbage. so i started watching pro/high level replays, and each game i'd just go to mid and watch how those players laned in the early stages of the game (this is a reason why merlini and yamateh were 2 of my favorite players back in the day, along with vigoss). all 3 of those players played solo heroes exceptionally well, and at that point it was something that really drew me to dota, since as a gamer i always enjoyed more or less excelling at the technical aspects of said games. so, slowly but surely i could notice an increase in my laning prowess. at that point i began scrimming as well, so i found that i could win solo mid 70% of the time in scrims or so.
then came dxdi, where i got my first exposure to true high level play. i spent a few games bumbling around like an idiot because i didn't know what to do in such a setting, and it was here that i really developed my knack for playing support.
fast forward a few months, and we have the short lived naihl, where i got to play with international-level players such as merlini fear demon etc
once you get to a point where you're comfortable with your laning skills, having a stable lane partner also helps you develop very quickly if you scrim on a regular basis. pretty much my old lane partner and i have lost a lane less than 5 times in the 2 years that we've been playing dota, even against players of much higher individual skill level. chemistry/teamwork is often overshadowed by individual skill, but its nice to play when you know that both you and your lanemate are able to function with minimal communication (not that you have to since they're vent, but it just makes things run a whole lot smoother)
a few months after that, i started scrimming/playing on lan with suncrusher, where he pretty much gave me a completely different perspective on laning, how to win said lane, and what to do with your advantage etc. kinda helps that i spent a whole summer playing with darksheep and suncrusher, who are probably 2 of the best solo players in the US
and then you have where i am now; we're currently somewhere around top 5 teams in the US, and looking to break into the competitive scene :D
k here's tldr version. getting to where i am laning wise takes a ****ton of work/time/effort. it especially helps if you play with people that are either equal to you in skill or slightly higher in skill (latter is preferable), since that's how you improve the fastest. also last hitting is important for any role in the game, be it ganker, support or carry.
but ya im betting your lasthitting will get even better if you get some advice from anyone who knows how to lane at a higher level, since at your current level there are some things that you're unable to see unless you're told (trust me that's how it is for most people)
k enough of this **** ima sleep so i can go to cgc tomorrow
there's a few reasons why my last hitting is as good as it is (and even then it could still use some polishing)
when i started dota, my friend emphasized last hitting and how important it was. his brother played high level dota before i even started (cal season 0, where they lost to as1 in semifinals, which was suncrusher's team back in the day), but that's a story for another day. funny thing is, we played pubs on lan with 4 of us, and i always ended up laning with this guy. his last hitting was pretty good, so pretty much i got something along the lines of 1 creep for his every 10 since i had no clue how to do it. so i eventually learned to just walk back and forth and rightclick on the creep when it reached approximately 1 hit.
afterwards, i progressed onto dxd where i learned that while in comparison to the average pub my last hitting was decent, compared to the average dxder it was pretty garbage. so i started watching pro/high level replays, and each game i'd just go to mid and watch how those players laned in the early stages of the game (this is a reason why merlini and yamateh were 2 of my favorite players back in the day, along with vigoss). all 3 of those players played solo heroes exceptionally well, and at that point it was something that really drew me to dota, since as a gamer i always enjoyed more or less excelling at the technical aspects of said games. so, slowly but surely i could notice an increase in my laning prowess. at that point i began scrimming as well, so i found that i could win solo mid 70% of the time in scrims or so.
then came dxdi, where i got my first exposure to true high level play. i spent a few games bumbling around like an idiot because i didn't know what to do in such a setting, and it was here that i really developed my knack for playing support.
fast forward a few months, and we have the short lived naihl, where i got to play with international-level players such as merlini fear demon etc
once you get to a point where you're comfortable with your laning skills, having a stable lane partner also helps you develop very quickly if you scrim on a regular basis. pretty much my old lane partner and i have lost a lane less than 5 times in the 2 years that we've been playing dota, even against players of much higher individual skill level. chemistry/teamwork is often overshadowed by individual skill, but its nice to play when you know that both you and your lanemate are able to function with minimal communication (not that you have to since they're vent, but it just makes things run a whole lot smoother)
a few months after that, i started scrimming/playing on lan with suncrusher, where he pretty much gave me a completely different perspective on laning, how to win said lane, and what to do with your advantage etc. kinda helps that i spent a whole summer playing with darksheep and suncrusher, who are probably 2 of the best solo players in the US
and then you have where i am now; we're currently somewhere around top 5 teams in the US, and looking to break into the competitive scene :D
k here's tldr version. getting to where i am laning wise takes a ****ton of work/time/effort. it especially helps if you play with people that are either equal to you in skill or slightly higher in skill (latter is preferable), since that's how you improve the fastest. also last hitting is important for any role in the game, be it ganker, support or carry.
but ya im betting your lasthitting will get even better if you get some advice from anyone who knows how to lane at a higher level, since at your current level there are some things that you're unable to see unless you're told (trust me that's how it is for most people)
k enough of this **** ima sleep so i can go to cgc tomorrow
zBOREDOMKINGz
Smash Apprentice
Oh wow I didn't expect that at all. O.o
The main reason my last hitting is so bad is that I was never aware of last hitting due to the people who got me into it weren't that good but we were really into it. We used to play alllllllllll easy mode and used to complain about it not being it if we joined a game. I learned about it when I picked up Potm and people were *****ing at me if I took mid and I was like ohhhhhh. We'd LAN using Hamachi constantly during summer since none of us could host and when we could have someone host it'd have to be on US East. Not until like a couple months did I learn about last hitting. Now that I think about it I've only played for like... 5 months and I think I'm alright for the knowledge I have.
Basically I gotta work a lot more. I'm just bad sometimes so that also comes into play. But I've noticed that I **** as support. I think that comes with being just a overall bad player when I'm a carry. My best hero by far is Potm due to my arrows having accuracy. But that's the only thing that really shines about my playing and even then in advance playing people who are at least aware can just move out of the path. D:
What exactly are these things that I'm unable to see? I can't see to think of anything from what I've seen. One thing that I do see is people's patterns and I act upon them.
Also, what is your view on Dota and Hon next to eachother? I mean I know I should stick to one and one only but I think I'm just overall better at Hon due to there being more Support character that I like. Nymphora<3 It's not like I'm gonna forget about Dota. Even though the friends I play with most of the time don't want to play Dota anymore due to them being bad. I'm not gonna be like them and wallow in their loss. I'm starting to play in the THR channel but all the ****ing games are EM. >_>
The main reason my last hitting is so bad is that I was never aware of last hitting due to the people who got me into it weren't that good but we were really into it. We used to play alllllllllll easy mode and used to complain about it not being it if we joined a game. I learned about it when I picked up Potm and people were *****ing at me if I took mid and I was like ohhhhhh. We'd LAN using Hamachi constantly during summer since none of us could host and when we could have someone host it'd have to be on US East. Not until like a couple months did I learn about last hitting. Now that I think about it I've only played for like... 5 months and I think I'm alright for the knowledge I have.
Basically I gotta work a lot more. I'm just bad sometimes so that also comes into play. But I've noticed that I **** as support. I think that comes with being just a overall bad player when I'm a carry. My best hero by far is Potm due to my arrows having accuracy. But that's the only thing that really shines about my playing and even then in advance playing people who are at least aware can just move out of the path. D:
What exactly are these things that I'm unable to see? I can't see to think of anything from what I've seen. One thing that I do see is people's patterns and I act upon them.
Also, what is your view on Dota and Hon next to eachother? I mean I know I should stick to one and one only but I think I'm just overall better at Hon due to there being more Support character that I like. Nymphora<3 It's not like I'm gonna forget about Dota. Even though the friends I play with most of the time don't want to play Dota anymore due to them being bad. I'm not gonna be like them and wallow in their loss. I'm starting to play in the THR channel but all the ****ing games are EM. >_>
Miharu
Smash Hero
its like this
you have an enemy creep that's at 40%, what do you do? do you nuke it, wait for it to go lower, hit your opponent, etc. can reverse the position, where one of your creeps is at 40%, and so on.
there's also various ways you can manipulate the creep line so its on your hill to safeguard from ganks, push it to their hill so you can go rune, etc
there's a lot of other **** that i haven't listed here that applies to more hero-specific situations
k the thing is, my support is good, not top notch, but good (i'm comparing myself to people like pusherstreet/NS who are known for their world-class support play). it's also probably several notches above yours, so i'm gonna venture and say that your support is probably mediocre/subpar. support needs to learn lane control, warding/counterwarding (arguably one of the hardest parts of the game without heroes like bm assisting you), appropriate times to tp/push/farm (yes, farm), and so on.
good support ain't easy to play heh
nymphora is such a dumb hero; why would you give a hero chakra + an aoe heal/nuke that pretty much clears a wave by itself? S2 comes up with such dumb heroes lol
and the non-em bots for THR t1 are up
you have an enemy creep that's at 40%, what do you do? do you nuke it, wait for it to go lower, hit your opponent, etc. can reverse the position, where one of your creeps is at 40%, and so on.
there's also various ways you can manipulate the creep line so its on your hill to safeguard from ganks, push it to their hill so you can go rune, etc
there's a lot of other **** that i haven't listed here that applies to more hero-specific situations
k the thing is, my support is good, not top notch, but good (i'm comparing myself to people like pusherstreet/NS who are known for their world-class support play). it's also probably several notches above yours, so i'm gonna venture and say that your support is probably mediocre/subpar. support needs to learn lane control, warding/counterwarding (arguably one of the hardest parts of the game without heroes like bm assisting you), appropriate times to tp/push/farm (yes, farm), and so on.
good support ain't easy to play heh
nymphora is such a dumb hero; why would you give a hero chakra + an aoe heal/nuke that pretty much clears a wave by itself? S2 comes up with such dumb heroes lol
and the non-em bots for THR t1 are up
zBOREDOMKINGz
Smash Apprentice
I do all of that stuff actually! =D
I just learned like 2 weeks ago that when you right click an enemy hero the creeps will attack you, so I started using that to my advantage so it's easier to creep block.
The main thing I need to work on is about going rune. Like I have craaaazy good luck with runes that I always get a regen when I need one so normally when I want a regen immediately I'll just push the lane and the enemy watches me go so I might get ganked by him and mid or top. So I know I gotta work on that.
I do in fact ward and such but what exactly is counterwarding? Like canceling people's wards with your own?
And that's why I <3333 her. It's ridiculous how she makes the game soooo imba unless the team actually focus on her which a lot don't. "Someone need mana? shiiiiiiit I got you! Oh you need health too? Shiiiiiiiit!" Plus her Furion type tp AND when getting an Aghinim's Scepter **** gets sooooo imba. That's why she's like my favorite hero in HoN. Potm will always be my main lady though. =D
Now that I think about it every hero S2 makes is so rigged. lol
I just learned like 2 weeks ago that when you right click an enemy hero the creeps will attack you, so I started using that to my advantage so it's easier to creep block.
The main thing I need to work on is about going rune. Like I have craaaazy good luck with runes that I always get a regen when I need one so normally when I want a regen immediately I'll just push the lane and the enemy watches me go so I might get ganked by him and mid or top. So I know I gotta work on that.
I do in fact ward and such but what exactly is counterwarding? Like canceling people's wards with your own?
And that's why I <3333 her. It's ridiculous how she makes the game soooo imba unless the team actually focus on her which a lot don't. "Someone need mana? shiiiiiiit I got you! Oh you need health too? Shiiiiiiiit!" Plus her Furion type tp AND when getting an Aghinim's Scepter **** gets sooooo imba. That's why she's like my favorite hero in HoN. Potm will always be my main lady though. =D
Now that I think about it every hero S2 makes is so rigged. lol
Miharu
Smash Hero
trust me its not as simple as you think
counterwarding = killing other team's wards with sents
counterwarding = killing other team's wards with sents
Hi
I've been playing competitive DotA since forever. (before Allstars existed)
Been on a butt load of teams - none quite made it to the top, but I've always been hovering at the top level.
I own and operate http://nadota.com, which is basically the hub for all North American competitive DotA community - we have news, articles, interviews, and replays, etc.
Randomly saw this DotA thread from the forum index, so figured I'd stop by and say hi.
I've been playing competitive DotA since forever. (before Allstars existed)
Been on a butt load of teams - none quite made it to the top, but I've always been hovering at the top level.
I own and operate http://nadota.com, which is basically the hub for all North American competitive DotA community - we have news, articles, interviews, and replays, etc.
Randomly saw this DotA thread from the forum index, so figured I'd stop by and say hi.
Miharu
Smash Hero
the **** spitwad what u doing here LOL
enjoyed your use of language in denying the mexicans entry into SNC btw
enjoyed your use of language in denying the mexicans entry into SNC btw
practice_mAn
Smash Journeyman
lol hi
miharu play with me
i'm going online now
miharu play with me
i'm going online now
zBOREDOMKINGz
Smash Apprentice
Why are we always on so late, are we the cool kids? ;D
practice_mAn
Smash Journeyman
sooooooooooooooooo
i'm pretty bad when it comes to soloing mid
but every time i pick viper i easily **** mid by like way more than i should often getting kills in the process of high CS, and ganking lanes with haste/invis runes becomes a charm
questions for miharu
is viper a really good solo hero?
should he be nerfed?
or is it just the fact that my opponents are bad
i'm pretty bad when it comes to soloing mid
but every time i pick viper i easily **** mid by like way more than i should often getting kills in the process of high CS, and ganking lanes with haste/invis runes becomes a charm
questions for miharu
is viper a really good solo hero?
should he be nerfed?
or is it just the fact that my opponents are bad
i used to play dota at a pretty high level back in 07 (teamed with darkfire_ , amaru, demon...etc back when demon was the ward ***** lol). viper used to be a really good solo hero, hence all the ppl going "1v1 viper" whenever they get pissed off at each other. it used to be viper vs tinker, viper vs enchantress...etc before that was silencer vs lich haha. however people realized viper was really good at solo, but not as useful overall as other heroes such as qop, especially with the introduction of the imba bottle
another way that went out of fashion a while ago was using necronomicon. i remember when everyone used to get nec3 and mek (col vs apex times lol). I still think nec is a great item to get on heroes such as qop as it gives good synergy overall (mana + hp)... and you don't have to bother as much with sents to try to get rid of opponent's wards (was more imba when obs wards had no cap)
Miharu
Smash Hero
heh
bruce still talks about how demon used to play apem pubs with him 3 years ago
viper's still a good solo, but when it comes down to it he only deals damage to a single target and has slows not stuns. still a good situational pick these days as long as other team is somewhat stun light with ursa being a top pick right now
but ya he beats most heroes mid
nec's being used more now with the comeback of bm and pugna
qop still isn't being used much though :/
bruce still talks about how demon used to play apem pubs with him 3 years ago
viper's still a good solo, but when it comes down to it he only deals damage to a single target and has slows not stuns. still a good situational pick these days as long as other team is somewhat stun light with ursa being a top pick right now
but ya he beats most heroes mid
nec's being used more now with the comeback of bm and pugna
qop still isn't being used much though :/
zBOREDOMKINGz
Smash Apprentice
So what's the deal with Obsidian Destroyer?
I've only seen him like once in the 6 months of me playing Dota.
Is he **** or what?
I've only seen him like once in the 6 months of me playing Dota.
Is he **** or what?
The Greater Leon
Smash Hero
I HOPE HE's STILL GARBAGE
Miharu
Smash Hero
no
gets hard countered by bkb
gets hard countered by bkb
joeplicate
Smash Master
Miharu
Smash Hero
The Greater Leon
Smash Hero
k-on season 2 announced
Miharu
Smash Hero
still need to finish season 1
practice_mAn
Smash Journeyman
hey miharu
I have 2 questions for u... actually 3
1. What are the most picked heros in high level play nowadays? "games that you play, scrims thr3 etc."
2. What is your favorite hero?
3. Would you support me in finding a team on this website? People might know you, and you're pretty good.
http://nadota.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=47
I love u
I have 2 questions for u... actually 3
1. What are the most picked heros in high level play nowadays? "games that you play, scrims thr3 etc."
2. What is your favorite hero?
3. Would you support me in finding a team on this website? People might know you, and you're pretty good.
http://nadota.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=47
I love u
Miharu
Smash Hero
1) uhh, in no particular order:
pirate pugna wd sf beast potm cm vs na tide wl ursa storm sandking sven dusa rhasta slar
2) shadowfiend puck are my 2 favorite
3) i don't know how good you are, so i can't really confidently support you, yeh? try getting into thr3 first to get some exposure to any NA teams that may be recruiting atm. suncrusher's a voucher now so u can ask him about getting a vouch game etc
glgl
pirate pugna wd sf beast potm cm vs na tide wl ursa storm sandking sven dusa rhasta slar
2) shadowfiend puck are my 2 favorite
3) i don't know how good you are, so i can't really confidently support you, yeh? try getting into thr3 first to get some exposure to any NA teams that may be recruiting atm. suncrusher's a voucher now so u can ask him about getting a vouch game etc
glgl
practice_mAn
Smash Journeyman
suncrusher is a voucher?!?!?
****
whats his username
is it suncrusher- ??
****
whats his username
is it suncrusher- ??
Miharu
Smash Hero
ya its suncrusher-
zBOREDOMKINGz
Smash Apprentice
Who's Pirate? O.o
kunka/admiral/pirate etc
dude i haven't played smash in so long. i miss those nights of getting 3 stocked every game lol
next time you're in so cal let me know. let's chill
joeplicate
Smash Master
hahahaha yeah most definitely
i had some intense revelations just hanging out in your room
and talking about lifting weights with andrew and being sore every day
i'll im you next time i'm down
let's get some monkey ball action too LOL
i had some intense revelations just hanging out in your room
and talking about lifting weights with andrew and being sore every day
i'll im you next time i'm down
let's get some monkey ball action too LOL
practice_mAn
Smash Journeyman
tsumugiiiiiiii
i see u idling on USwest!
i hope u read this post and we play a game finally
i see u idling on USwest!
i hope u read this post and we play a game finally
practice_mAn
Smash Journeyman
big boiiiiii
every time I order you taket a fifteeen minuteeee
i hungry RIGHT NOW
I come on my razor scooter i pick it up right now!
every time I order you taket a fifteeen minuteeee
i hungry RIGHT NOW
I come on my razor scooter i pick it up right now!
zBOREDOMKINGz
Smash Apprentice
Ahaha you made me lol Practice maaaaang! =D
There has been a lot of non em games yesterday on thr compared to when I was looking like all last week. :/
There has been a lot of non em games yesterday on thr compared to when I was looking like all last week. :/
practice_mAn
Smash Journeyman
lol this miharu guy
i idle with him in the channel for 2 hours
he comes back and quits warcraft
gggggggg
thats the last time i do that
ALSO: there are non easy mode games that go on, but less often
you can see what type of game is coming up next by going to throneit.com
i idle with him in the channel for 2 hours
he comes back and quits warcraft
gggggggg
thats the last time i do that
ALSO: there are non easy mode games that go on, but less often
you can see what type of game is coming up next by going to throneit.com
The Greater Leon
Smash Hero
chris do u have any replays of yourself or something like that
Miharu
Smash Hero
ya real life took over for a few hours or something ggg
there's a replay up on gosugamers of my team getting stomped by brazilians (im not playing in it tho), just look for IPS vs CNB
eh ill upload some dumb "scrim" i just played (more like some bads got curbstomped)
http://dotaparser.com/index.php/replay/view/180740/
im sf
there's a replay up on gosugamers of my team getting stomped by brazilians (im not playing in it tho), just look for IPS vs CNB
eh ill upload some dumb "scrim" i just played (more like some bads got curbstomped)
http://dotaparser.com/index.php/replay/view/180740/
im sf