Work In Progress Fire Emblem Heroes: Finally found Forrest, MIA since 2017

[Ivander]

Anyway, here are the artworks for the characters.
https://www.4gamer.net/games/369/G036904/20190508005/

Something something justice is an illusion.
I mean, we didn't even get Demon Lord Lyon.

Well.....we'll have to see what the next Mythic Hero is. I mean, considering we got Female Grima after getting Male Grima, Hardin, F!Celica and F!Takumi, I wouldn't put it out of the question of the next Mythic Hero being a potential Fallen character. And Fomortiis sounds like a possibility for a Mythic Hero.....although more for a Dark/Anima Mythic rather than a Astra Mythic which I'm positive we're getting since we don't have an Astra Mythic yet.

Anyway, I'm actually really curious on them considering they seem to be next in line for the next Forging Bonds event and considering how much better the FB Writing has gotten, I'm very interested in seeing what they will do with these characters.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh yeah, a couple of things.
-Berkut is the first example of getting a weapon/skill that hurts an ALLY. And it's 20 DAMAGE. And his effect works with ANY Ally, regardless of their weapon or movement type. Basically, he can easily set up a character for easy Brazen and Desperation shenanigans without said character needing to battle. That's pretty powerful.
-When was the last time a past character has gotten a weapon from another character or version of themselves? I mean, the last ones I remember were Hector getting Berserk Armads(from his SEASONAL alt) and Ephraim getting Flame Siegmund(from his LEGENDARY alt). I just noticed that it hasn't happened to a bunch of characters already, like say, regular F!Corrin getting Draconic Rage or regular Tiki getting one of her alts' weapon? I wonder why, considering I really doubt it would make said characters broken.

Doesn't Alfonse's Great³¹ Grandpa have a weapon that hurts allied? Granted, he isn't playable but the concept was there and we knew from Day 1 they'll eventually be playable anyways.

 

[False Sense]

Something something justice is an illusion.
I mean, we didn't even get Demon Lord Lyon.

Because they're saving him for a Mythic Formortis





...I mean they gotta fill up 16 Mythic slots somehow

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Other characters who would be better fallen heroes picks that "LTiki but colorless" and "Female Corrin but with a tail:"

Spoiler

Brainwashed Julia (FE4)
Any of the FE5 Deadlords
Berserk Ninian (?)(FE7)
Orson(FE8)
(Demon Lord Lyon was already mentioned)
Berserk Ashnard (FE9)
Bertram (FE9)
Rajaion (FE9)

Idk about candidates from Fates and Awakening. Apparently Gunter and Scarlet turn evil at some point, so maybe them?

 

[Deleted member]

Other characters who would be better fallen heroes picks that "LTiki but colorless" and "Female Corrin but with a tail:"

Spoiler

Brainwashed Julia (FE4)
Any of the FE5 Deadlords
Berserk Ninian (?)(FE7)
Orson(FE8)
(Demon Lord Lyon was already mentioned)
Berserk Ashnard (FE9)
Bertram (FE9)
Rajaion (FE9)

Idk about candidates from Fates and Awakening. Apparently Gunter and Scarlet turn evil at some point, so maybe them?

Gunter would definitely work considering that's a big plot point in Revelation(Scarlet is just a miniboss lmao she gets done dirty) and he actually goes through some sort of possession.

 

[Ivander]

Doesn't Alfonse's Great³¹ Grandpa have a weapon that hurts allied? Granted, he isn't playable but the concept was there and we knew from Day 1 they'll eventually be playable anyways.

Yeah, Lif has a weapon that hurts allies. And yes, he'll eventually become playable, especially after CYL3 where he's so high up. I should've worded better as "F!Berkut has the honor of being the first playable unit with a weapon/skill that damages allies".

Other characters who would be better fallen heroes picks that "LTiki but colorless" and "Female Corrin but with a tail:"

Spoiler

Brainwashed Julia (FE4)
Any of the FE5 Deadlords
Berserk Ninian (?)(FE7)
Orson(FE8)
(Demon Lord Lyon was already mentioned)
Berserk Ashnard (FE9)
Bertram (FE9)
Rajaion (FE9)

Idk about candidates from Fates and Awakening. Apparently Gunter and Scarlet turn evil at some point, so maybe them?

Spoiler

-Gunter definitely would work. Scarlet...she could....but in her game, she was killed first, than revived as an undead, compared to the others who were corrupted without dying.
-Orson doesn't work. He was never 'corrupted' like say Lyon or Gunter, as they were outright possessed/corrupted. With Orson, he was more along the lines of 'persuaded', as he betrayed his country in exchange for his wife being 'revived'. So it doesn't work for Orson so much.

That said, I can understand why Tiki and Corrin feel unwarrented, despite there being reasons for their "Fallen" status, as Tiki was mind-controlled by Gharnef and Fallen Corrin is likely after Mikoto died. But they are hardly different from another version of themselves. I can especially see why Corrin feels cheap considering she's our 3rd Female Corrin that uses a Dragonstone that uses another different color(now she has Blue, Green and Colorless versions) rather than getting a Sword version to go with her Male counterpart.
Although considering that supposedly, there is a "crazy version" of Azura according to her voice actress, and considering that we do have the Cipher game that gave us Fallen/Risen King Chrom and a Berserk Ike, I feel like even if it wasn't Corrin, it was going to be a "Fallen" version of a main character, much like Celica(as Grima is more his own character rather than a Fallen Robin). So basically, reactions were going to be divided regardless of whether or not it was Corrin.

Because they're saving him for a Mythic Formortis

...I mean they gotta fill up 16 Mythic slots somehow

Make that 20......for the inevitable 4 "Bonus" gimmick Mythic Heroes much like the Legendary Heroes with the Pair-up gimmick. Or even worse, Mythic Heroes that pair-up in AR.

 

[Arcanir]

I'm mixed on this. Getting Mareeta is excellent since Thracia has been treated poorly and Berkut looks great and was always a good candidate for a Fallen Hero, but Corrin sticks out poorly by comparison. The best I can think of for her is when she goes on a rampage in Chapter 5 after Mikoto's death, but even then she's not evil or corrupted like the others so it's still flimsy and there are much better options over her.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Sudden realization: we're getting a forging bonds event with this banner.

That will be... interesting.

 

[Ivander]

Sudden realization: we're getting a forging bonds event with this banner.

That will be... interesting.

Even when I mention it twice and one of those times is at the top of this page.....I know I can be a Kellam sometimes, but geez....

The best I can think of for her is when she goes on a rampage in Chapter 5 after Mikoto's death, but even then she's not evil or corrupted like the others so it's still flimsy and there are much better options over her.

I think that might be the case considering Corrin's title is called "Wailing Soul". And wailing is often associated with "crying with pain, grief, or anger".

 

[NSSKG151]

Apparently the banner trailer did indeed came tonight. I know people don't like alts but I am seriously tempted to pull for Corrin and Tiki since their art looks really good. Hopefully I at least get Tiki from the free summoning tickets that will come from Forging Bonds.

Free Delthea alt is also great since she is one of my favorites from Echoes and probably the one I am most excited about since she is going to be free. Hopefully they make her good so I have something to spend my grails on.

 

[Ivander]

Oh wow....I looked at the skills again and I just found out that Sudden Panic is a B-skill, not a C-skill. So Panic Ploy, while powercreeped, still has some use, as Sudden panic as a B-skill means losing the option for another B-skill like Quick Riposte, a Chill Skill or Guard.

 

[Opossum]

So I just decided to spend five orbs on a yolo summon since I wasn't feeling Fallen Heroes 2.


I have Owain now. I'm actually thrilled.

 

[Deleted member]

Sudden Panic is just the skill equivalent of Aversa's Prf so I'm glad it's a B-skill because I'm so tired of dealing with Aversa on AR and I don't need a bigger headache

 

[Ivander]

I was wrong with the refines regarding New versions of weapons with old units. I stated Hector with Berserk Armads and Ephraim with Flame Siegmund, but the latest one was actually Eldigan with Dark Mystleteinn. Which was in June 2018.
So yeah...how come they've stopped with the old units getting either the new version of a weapon or getting a weapon used by an alt? I mean, looking at most of them, they wouldn't break the units given to them. And some even get to enjoy different ways to play, like Lucina with her Falchion Refine to allow her play defensively/healer and Sealed Falchion to allow her to play offensively. Linde with Aura to help mages and Dark Aura to help Sword/Lance/Axe/Stone users.

I mean, some would greatly help certain characters, like L!Marth's Exalted Falchion would be a huge offensive boon for regular Marth. But it wouldn't make him broken, considering he has overall less stats than Legendary Marth besides RES, he doesn't have Binding Shield and in order for Marth to reach just about equal stats to L!Marth would require him to be merged 7 times or 5 times plus 5 Dragonflowers. And not all players will do that. So Marth getting Exalted Falchion wouldn't suddenly make him L!Marth/Ayra/Karla-tier.
Then you have the ones who obviously get better because they didn't have a Prf in the first place, like F!Corrin if she were to get Draconic Rage. And then some don't work as well as you'd think, like Ephraim with Festive Siegmund. Sure, the Killer effect as well as +4 to all stats if solo sounds good, but the other Siegmunds allow Ephraim to double regardless of SPD. Whereas Ephraim with Festive Siegmund, even if he's built for SPD, as a SPD boon allows him to reach 29 SPD, won't be quite enough to allow Ephraim to double effectively, as Festive Siegmund, a Solo skill and SPD Tactics would make him only reach 44 SPD. And considering how many characters reach 40-44 SPD or have Wary Fighter/Follow-up prevention skills nowadays.

It would be really nice if they'd start passing out the new weapon/weapon versions to older units again alongside the new Refines. I don't see any harm with giving some weapons to older units and not only would it benefit older units to allow them to not be left in the dust, but it would allow people to try new builds with their favourite units. And it wouldn't make newer units irrelevant as they often have better stats or a skill that greatly benefits them, like L!Marth's Binding Shield or L!Tiki's With Everyone.

 

[ChikoLad]

Berkut is cool, but not really feeling like I would pull even if Legendary Alm hadn't sapped all my Orbs without coming home.

*free unit is Evil Delthea*

Welp, that makes up for everything. TWO lil' Godslayers for the price of one!

 

[Fire Emblemier]

5 bucks says that we're going to get a Legendary/Mythic Fallen Male Corrin similar to Female Grima.

 

[Ivander]

5 bucks says that we're going to get a Legendary/Mythic Fallen Male Corrin similar to Female Grima.

I'm more inclined to say that Anankos is more likely, since Anankos would definitely fit after Duma and he does fit the definition of a Fallen Hero as he was a heroic figure before madness took over him.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm more inclined to say that Anankos is more likely, since Anankos would definitely fit after Duma and he does fit the definition of a Fallen Hero as he was a heroic figure before madness took over him.

Anankos would also fit perfectly as an Astra Mythic Hero.
Though I'd really prefer not getting another Dragon so soon.

 

[Ivander]

Anankos would also fit perfectly as an Astra Mythic Hero.
Though I'd really prefer not getting another Dragon so soon.

It depends for me. Before, Grima was practically the only Colorless Dragon for a year until Duma came out. Duma has only been around for 3 months, but now we're getting 2 new Colorless dragons in Corrin and Tiki, so it would feel rather underwhelming to get another Colorless Dragon so soon.
On the other hand, I would be more accepting if Anankos turned out to be a Blue Flying Dragon, as Blue Dragons don't have a Flier yet, compared to Red's Summer Tiki, Green's Myrrh and Colorless' Grima. And I feel it would be fitting too, as both Corrins have a Blue Dragonstone version(with Regular F!Corrin and Adrift M!Corrin) and Anankos is their father.

That aside, why does Null C-Disrupt have to be Infantry only?! I know Infantry needs to have some bonuses of their own, but that should not have been one of them. Fallen Berkut could have made so much good use out of it! His weapon works against Staves, which often have Dazzling and Firesweep Bows are a thing as well. Berkut would've been a perfect candidate for Null C-Disrupt to go with his weapon that prevents follow-ups from Ranged weapons and Quick Riposte 3 Seal to hit back twice, especially if he doesn't have alot of SPD like his regular version.

Like, Null C-Disrupt shouldn't have been restricted to Infantry only.

 

[ChikoLad]

What would be better on a Galeforce Cavalry build - Slaying Lance+ or It's Curtains...+?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

What would be better on a Galeforce Cavalry build - Slaying Lance+ or It's Curtains...+?

What's the rest of the skillset? Because I'd say both weapons have wildly different uses that really change how the unit performs, both having pros and cons.

 

[Arcanir]

I'm more inclined to say that Anankos is more likely, since Anankos would definitely fit after Duma and he does fit the definition of a Fallen Hero as he was a heroic figure before madness took over him.

I'd say both are likely. M!Corrin is an easy Legendary candidate since Heroes likes to keep alt parity between the avatars and it would mimic what happened with the Grimas last year. Similarly, Anankos has done better then most of the other god-like characters on the CYL polls and would be an appealing candidate for a Mythic hero due to his more standout design.

 

[ChikoLad]

What's the rest of the skillset? Because I'd say both weapons have wildly different uses that really change how the unit performs, both having pros and cons.

Kind of a work in progress, B-Slot and C-Slot are looking to be flexible and will depend on the map.

My issue is that Hot Springs Ryoma also has Atk/Def Solo 3 which I think would actually be better than Brazen for a Galeforce unit. I can't get both that and the + weapon at once though, and I only have one copy.

From what I can tell, It's Curtains has a more niche usage but if it could be really good in some circumstances it might be worth having. But Atk/Def Solo also seems vital.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Kind of a work in progress, B-Slot and C-Slot are looking to be flexible and will depend on the map.

My issue is that Hot Springs Ryoma also has Atk/Def Solo 3 which I think would actually be better than Brazen for a Galeforce unit. I can't get both that and the + weapon at once though, and I only have one copy.

From what I can tell, It's Curtains has a more niche usage but if it could be really good in some circumstances it might be worth having. But Atk/Def Solo also seems vital.

It's Curtains would only be useful on turn 1, so your first usage of Galeforce would need to really matter because after that, it's back to 5 of cooldown...

 

[slamallama]

Anankos would also fit perfectly as an Astra Mythic Hero.
Though I'd really prefer not getting another Dragon so soon.

We may see a couple but definitely not all of the Eight Generals and Twelve Crusaders, but other than them, most of the mythical/godly characters I can think of are dragons; Medeus, Mila, Loptyr, Dheginsea, Naga, Anankos... and I'd say Grima and Idunn, but lol, IS has zero foresight or planning skills

 

[Ivander]

Something I remembered about Corrin regarding her new Alt that I realized is detailed in her sprite. She's not holding a Dragonstone when she fights. Shortly after Corrin gets their senses back in Fates, Azura had to give Corrin a Dragonstone to allow them to control their dragon form. Even both the Adrift versions of Corrin use a Dragonstone and Fallen Tiki has her dragonstone on a necklace around her neck. Female Corrin doesn't have her Dragonstone at all when she fights.
That's an interesting detail and it could potentially add more to her character as this could've been a Corrin who wasn't given the Dragonstone or refused the stone, hence why her normal form is unbalanced or whatever word I'm looking for.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I just realized something.

Fallen Berkut finally adds Warding Stance to the regular summoning pool.

 

[Ivander]

This is the Fire Emblem definition of "This is fine."

That said, the new Forging Bonds looks very interesting and with how the Writing has gotten better, this might actually give some details on how Kiran is able to get along/work alongside some of the more unbalanced characters.

 

[slamallama]

Okay, these weapons we're getting that harm their wielders/teammates has got me thinking: how interesting would a Devil Sword be? Since Heroes has no Luck stat, it could be like "Accelerates Special cooldown -1. If Special triggers, deals +10 damage, and after combat, deals 10 damage to unit." Maybe adjust some of those numbers for balancing, but I think it'd be pretty cool to see (though it will give me flashbacks to all the Thieves I've lost to their own Devil Swords...)

 

[Ivander]

Okay, these weapons we're getting that harm their wielders/teammates has got me thinking: how interesting would a Devil Sword be? Since Heroes has no Luck stat, it could be like "Accelerates Special cooldown -1. If Special triggers, deals +10 damage, and after combat, deals 10 damage to unit." Maybe adjust some of those numbers for balancing, but I think it'd be pretty cool to see (though it will give me flashbacks to all the Thieves I've lost to their own Devil Swords...)

I mean, considering that we do have weapons that get Fury 3 as a Refine, like Bartre's and Eldigan's, Devil Sword/Axe/Lance or other weapons that did damage to the user wouldn't be out of the picture.

Heck, thinking about it now, if we got a Fallen Male Corrin, it'd be pretty interesting if that Male Corrin had Ganglari, especially the True/Demonic version of Ganglari that deals damage to the user.....now I'm wondering why they didn't give Fallen F!Corrin Ganglari, especially as she doesn't have a sword version yet.

 

[ChikoLad]

This is the Fire Emblem definition of "This is fine."

That said, the new Forging Bonds looks very interesting and with how the Writing has gotten better, this might actually give some details on how Kiran is able to get along/work alongside some of the more unbalanced characters.

Mareeta - Punk rock chick with a tendency for violent outbursts

Corrin - Emotional wreck who's constantly jittery and anxious

Tiki - Goth kid who probably has "**** the system" written on their locker

Berkut - Stargazing stoner

Which of these among your friend group are you?

 

[False Sense]

Mareeta - Punk rock chick with a tendency for violent outbursts

Corrin - Emotional wreck who's constantly jittery and anxious

Tiki - Goth kid who probably has "**** the system" written on their locker

Berkut - Stargazing stoner

Which of these among your friend group are you?

corrin

 

[Mythra]

This is the Fire Emblem definition of "This is fine."

That said, the new Forging Bonds looks very interesting and with how the Writing has gotten better, this might actually give some details on how Kiran is able to get along/work alongside some of the more unbalanced characters.

*record scratch, freeze frame*
Kiran: "So you probably question how I ended in this situation, and yes, Rinea is the bonfire right there"

 

[Sari]

Delthea's new art

Spoiler

 

[Deleted member]

Delthea's new art

Spoiler

Love my edgelord daughter. You're doing amazing sweetie

 

[Mythra]

Evil Doot looking busted af

 

[Deleted member]

Evil Doot looking busted af

She just ****ing gets Fury 4 with half of the recoil what the ****

Why did they suddenly decide to make GHB units good again?

 

[Mythra]

She just ****ing gets Fury 4 with half of the recoil what the ****

Why did they suddenly decide to make GHB units good again?

Her offensive stats are supposedly 36/33

Without merges and her skillset hits 60/37
Slap Darting Blow seal and have the wave skill active for 66/43.
Go for the Supermerge and DF for a spicy 71/48
The usual Desperation user, but will stand out nicely as she's gonna hit pretty damn hard without a Bladetome.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Evil Doot looking busted af

So she basically has what Fury 4 should've been...

 

[Mythra]

FFCorrin looking more busted than my +10 SS DF6 one.
Gen 3 is a hell of a meme