Fire Emblem: Awakening Mafia | GAME OVER: Not Equal To The Challenge

[Xastrn]

Well I read it, and I just agree with Ryu's feelings on that it is odd. Comprised with my now null read on FML, I can see them being scum from it. Why? Because of them ****ting on me for every little thing. I mean seriously, I really think the harping on me talking about a skill in thread when he himself did it, is pot calling the kettle black. Kantrip also had a problem with me talking about it.

I also see Kantrip scum because of him trying to end the day sooner. I also think it's possible Kantrip was just letting me die without even considering (or commenting) on the Zen case at all. He decided I was the play because others wanted me. I also don't like that he NOW sees a problem with Dabuz. I would like for him to post what posts he was talking about earlier between dabuz/fml though. Kantrip also never answered my questions, he kept ignoring me and yet asked the same sort of questions to Xastrn I think.

Considering Kantrip being scum, I'd re-evaluate my reads on Ryu/Zen. I still have problems with Dabuz, so he stays. I wonder why he has had all these reads in the convo with Ryu but he hasn't really STATED those in thread. I mean he rarely commented on me until a person asked him.

Did you really read my FB chat with Xatres, and read FML's response to it and STILL think it's a null read?

I'm confident that you aren't reading everything. Just reread the whole part of the day when I was paired with him, and read how he comes out of it saying 60-40 scum for Xastrn, and he wouldn't mind seeing us die toDay. How is that behavior describable by someone who has strong evidence that we're town?

I'm just surprised anyone can still be null at ALL on FML. It's damning evidence. Good couple of guys and all but someone had to be scum, and this game it's them. Surely you aren't reading everything if you really have a null read on them.

There's only one other explanation for not wanting them dead at SOME point today...

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Based on yesterDay, we had only soft scum-leans on FML and Potassium. It's toDay when the case broke wide open for us.

In our next post you will find the entire contents of our Pair-Up conversation with FML.

Highlights:

1) We provided pretty conclusive evidence (or pretty damn good forgery) of us being town. The unedited Facebook chat conversation with our real names (which I've removed here) should have been a dead giveaway, especially when combined with the Odd/Even role mechanics. However, FML continued to be wishy-washy with our reads on us both in our convo and in thread.

Yes because it could have been faked. So it has timestamps ? whoopy those can be changed around, nothing to hard. You could have easily typed u "2 days" worth of fake stuff in a night. Why should we give you any BOTD ?

2) FML claims to be a vengeful townie, and encourages us to give him the Falchion because it would make him practically unkillable. We didn't believe this claim for three reasons: a) If he actually thought we might be scum, why would he give this away? He'd want to claim something that would get him targeted by an NK. b) He didn't seem to know whether or not both he and his attacker would die if he was targeted, or just his attacker. This seems like a glaring omission for a mod to make for a Role PM, but perhaps one he might overlook in safe claim. c) We also didn't believe for a second that he could even WEILD the Falchion, as only Lords can do that and he didn't claim Lord.

1) Because in killing us to try and get it back, you'd die, and 1a) to see how you'd react to the idea (btw, bribery is scummy effort, but thatnks for trying) 1b) Me and Orbo did this crumbing doc and investigative early to draw nk's and force scum on us.

1b) Yeah because I hadn't read it since like the first day, I have more important **** to remember, all i remembered is we atttacked back first and i didnt bother to check cuz if we die we die and if we don't we don't I can't be bothered to remember specifics.

1c) How do you know it's only lords ?
1ca) How do you know we didn't omit that part ?

3) FML offered what we thought was the worst advice in history. He recommended we set up a hard TvS scenario with Kary. He said that it was pretty much the only way to save ourselves, and told us to avoid doing it with RR because town would never get behind it. Essentially, he was encouraging us to push a bad lynch to save ourselves. If we had been successful, Kary would have flipped town and we'd be dead D3. If not, we'd have certainly died, flipped town, and Kary would be dead D3. Neither situation boded well for town.

No, to my recolllectionm you had a scum read on kary at the time, and on ryu, i suggested you pursue Kary because Ryu was in a better position, and Kary was going to gain more footwork. I never said make it tvs unless your the s in this case. I did not say it was the only way to save yourself, I suggessted it'd be better than what you'd be doing so far, plus it let you interact with kary, who was at the time to my recollection, a scum read of yours. As town u shouldnt have a porblem pursuing going after a scum read.

How do you know kary would flip town ? You didnt even think he was town at the time. It can't work both ways

4) We agreed to follow FML's idea in private but did not carry it out in public, for reasons discussed above. We waited to see the reactions of other players. We assumed if FML was scum, then his scummates would suddenly start playing differently too.

And what did you get ? Oh wait, nothing -_-//.

Also, then why did you push us to post on kary who we had already established we both felt dicey on ? Your more worbly with your reads than I am.

5) About 12 hours after FML offering us his advice, Potassium starts in on his TvS posturing towards Kary/Xastrn. He pushes it pretty hard, but we never take the bait. We manage to relieve the pressure against us and Potassium switches gears to other players. He was last of everyone to drop the pressure on us.

This is bad and you should feel bad, the pressure was offf in part due to me and orbo's footwork on you, and the thread moving towards kary/Ram which btw me and orbo still think holds scum.

kantrip does that all the time and it's a null tell regardless.

6) We told FML we would give him the Falchion if he were to agree to stay attached. We told him what you read above: it would cement him as town (why? We said it to make him think that we believed Kary would flip scum), it would save us (a townie), and it would kill his #1 scumpick Kary. win win win.

Except this was scummy and i called you on it.

7) It eventually becomes clear in thread that the TvS Kary/Xastrn scenario isn't going to pan out. FML starts saying in thread that he wants our flip, tells us that he's still on the fence, then separates.

Me and orbo had been on the fence since end of D1. This was well established and for good reason considering your terrible play. In fact a large portion of the thread was more on the fence about you then they really showed. Or else you would have been shot. Us being dicey on you is perfectly reasonable, but please, twist it more

One primary reason for having a strong townread on Kary comes from this strong scumread on FML and Potassium. Two seemingly unrelated players both pushed a TvS scenario within 12 hours of each other, just after we agreed with one of them to go along with it. We also read Kary as town D1, disliked his play early D2, then watched him mellow out and be one of the first get off the easy Xastrn wagon. We're convinced Kary is town, FML and Potatassium are scum, and that's all we have to say about that.</gump>

This is silly, your eliminating one at the offset of two others.

Don't remember that from d1 on kary but w/e

 

[Xastrn]

The town one.

I think they are scum, but I'm still scurred of the consequences of being wrong and shooting.

I'd like the source on them saying it's only Night-time vengeful though. In that case I have no problem with shooting.

Here's the quote from the Pair-up conversation:

its actually night only, and we attack first. unbreakable weapon basically akes us unkillable.
we are owain.

Feel free to make that shot.

 

[Xastrn]

Wait so they're not basically a town bomb? They're claiming Night-time vengeful?

I'll shoot tomorrow night if someone else hasn't.

I know you read it when we posted it. Why are you playing like you misunderstood now?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Considering that convo after they got the role PM is going on for 2 hours after they got it, it's pretty damn telling of their alignment.

I'll never buy it wasn't faked without screenshots of it.

 

[Death Mountain]

Did you really read my FB chat with Xatres, and read FML's response to it and STILL think it's a null read?

I'm confident that you aren't reading everything. Just reread the whole part of the day when I was paired with him, and read how he comes out of it saying 60-40 scum for Xastrn, and he wouldn't mind seeing us die toDay. How is that behavior describable by someone who has strong evidence that we're town?

I was reading part of it and was seeing you telling him how to vamp up his towniness. >_> I was like "Ok... where's the suspicious thing" It's really long and hard to find. I'll look for where he said the 60-40 thing though.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

So Orbo thought he saw them post their role PM and he still had doubts about if they were town or not?

wut

He didnt know what he saw or when, he told me he saw something resembling ne, i got in and nothing and he refreshed and nothing. Plus even assuming he did see something, fake claims bro.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Xast you tunnel assed fool stfu and listen to your own rules.

 

[Xastrn]

Read all of it instead, I guess. I don't know what else to ask of you.

FML, response incoming. Xatres and I are talking.

 

[Xastrn]

1c) How do you know it's only lords ?

>_>

<_<

We're... holding... the sword?

<_<

>_>

Xast you tunnel ***** fool stfu and listen to your own rules.

1) Most of town believes you are the play for toDay.

2) Town is discussing who should hammer.

3) You are incapable on Han Soloing.

Rules followed.

 

[Xastrn]

Ninja'd by my partner. Discussing now.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

So... FML is floundering. We're convinced he is the play for today.



Pretty much everyone disagrees with you. Dastrn and I were shocked that conversation itself didn't make you instantly believe we were town. We honestly didnt't even considered the timestamps until today.
At the very least, you should have given us more of a reaction than a shrug and wishy-washy read afterwards.

Good for them ? They can think what theyt like, I personally will never buy it because it's something I'd do as scum.
My reads are always wishy washy because it's how i play.
See any game ever with me in it , i dont think i ever hold a single read for very long without rethinking it

Your next defense basically amounts to: "Hey people lie in this game."

Yeah, cuz they do. In fact as scum i could see you initiating pairings then posting these faked hydra logs in tthem after finding out jerkus didnt have a rule against it. Thats something as scum i'd try to abuse were i actually scum over very wary town.

What you actually said was that setting up TvS was our only hope of living, which, again, was horrible advice that would have resulted in two more days of mislynches and a scum victory.

Never said this, i said going to kary who you were feeling dicey on at the time would have better results because a lot of people felt the same way, even if you think kary town, you can still pressure him and show initiative because at the time all you were doing was defensse and bringing the convo to you stupidely. I may have accidentally implied a tvs but that was completely unintentional.

Kary's by no means assured town either, btw. Your reads jump mor ethan mine and that's what IM known for lmao

The mob was already stopped and/or stopping when you separated. You openly said in thread that you thought our death would be good for town, while still offering wishy-washy reads. That's not "giving us over to the mob," that's "I don't want to openly say this slot is scum because I know he'll flip town."

Yes because we stopped and slowed it, lol, Why would we do that as town, we saw it was slowing so why stay attached What are you so afraid of ? scum flip obv.

No, it's because i was still dicey on you, letting town more at you, while being technically antitown, is not scummy, it's scummy for you to hide behind me and then after me and orbo do all the leg work to better your position, call us scum on it. Why would we do that as scum ? this is a question you always ask and you fail to think it here. I offered wishy washy reads because I HAD wishy washy reads, I always do, i'll never take something at face valueand i always change paths a million times, my reads are never set in stone because thats dumb. I'm openly stating your scum mudsliging me and orbo , so i guess you can strike that theory too.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

No.



You mean something that some mods would modkill over and something only Hydra's can do because they contain two players that can talk with each other while being considered one, where as non hydras don't get the luxury.

Then yes.

This. i wont buy it's not faked.

U all can if you like but precisely this after circus outed the lack of a rule should give you doubt enough

 

[Xastrn]

Let me go off on EVERYONE regarding "the rules."

Town said this:

The rules were never adopted by town. The rules don't exist. You don't get to hold us to a set of rules that are not in play. Just because we suggested them does not mean that you get to dodge them and we are stuck following them. We made a suggestion, they were rejected. All of this nonsense about how we won't even follow our own rules can stop.

Furthermore, Xatres' post above mine. Soooo...

 

[FullMetalLynch]

FML why did you separate with Xast if you thought they were town?

We saw the pressure dying and let them loose to the devices of the rest of town.

 

[Xastrn]

This. i wont buy it's not faked.

U all can if you like but precisely this after circus outed the lack of a rule should give you doubt enough

Circus' involvement had nothing whatsoever to do with the FB chat thing. The only thing in question was whether or not we posted our Role PM to you, which was decided and addressed.

Whether or not linking facebook chats is allowed was not discussed, and likely will be later. If you want to invoke the mod's name into this, be honest about it.

 

[Kantrip]

Why do you keep saying this? Have you pushed FML so hard that it seems natural or something?

This is the first time I've said it, and it's just so ludicrous in every way people should have their reading cards provoked if they are town and actually buy it

 

[FullMetalLynch]

With all of that clearing us in your mind, how do you explain FML still thinking we were scum unless he's scum himself? This is pretty damning evidence. I think we have a guaranteed shot at hitting scum if we shoot him. I am willing to do a ranmaru read during N2 after the flip. I want the flip first.

BECUASE ITS NOT CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE TO ME.

It's not damning, its smarter play based on rules that circus forgot.

So if we flip town you lose more , what happens ? Are you gonna ***** foot around shooting obv scum ran or maybe try more ****ty convo gambits to scum read people ? please, tell me your master plan.

The possibility of Potassium firing, even to kill (bus?) FML is scaring me. If anyone NOT Potassium can make the kill, I'd be much more comfortable. Whatever weapon FML is holding needs to land in town's hands, and I don't want Potassium to be the one that catches that weapon if he has it.

This is dumb and you should feel dumb for it. And for pushing our QL down people's throats against your own rules.

D1 gonna repeat itsself because even after your big talk you cant keep it in your pants.

That and your scum, but hey.

The Falchion, by the way, is a Lord's Sword. We were told so when we received it. Only Lord's can wield it. So I do not think scum will NK us to obtain it, or else they would have done it N1, and then funneled Raziek instead of the other way around. I may very well be mistaken, if they indeed had a piercing weapon of some sort that took out that hydra.

Cool, wifom. How do you know we never included a lordship in our claim because , oh , the idea THAT WE DIDNT TRUST YOU AFTER STATING THIS ALL DAY D1 and MOST OF D2 while together. MFW.

How would scum know this ? Magic ?

 

[Kantrip]

wtf dude, that lord argument. Owain is a myrmidon not lord ffs

 

[Kantrip]

So your ability (Vantage, I presume) is not 1-shot and you shoot first, avoiding death? But only at Night?

So if you pick up another sword you will be able to use it again?

 

[Xastrn]

My reads are always wishy washy because it's how i play.
See any game ever with me in it , i dont think i ever hold a single read for very long without rethinking it

Funny, because I remember you saying you could tell if pawndidator2 is scum within 10 posts. After 2 posts, you posted this:

obvscum pawn is obv

To which I replied this:

You said you'd spot him in 10 posts. You still have 8 posts left.

I already did it though, the read is solidified in the magic of wifom reasoning. It's so legit, should put money down on it

More to come, but you should quit tying yourself into knots.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Need to check pm for name but yes.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

With all of that said, it's worth one last post to reiterate. The longer we wait at this point, the more time Potassium has to come with a way to shoot off the cuff and get a no-lynch. I'm wary of shooting ranmaru first for that reason. If you guys build a case on ran and Potassium says it's the will of whoever and shoots ran, and ran flips town, then we let FML live another day, mislynched another day, and we HAD a clear scum kill in our hands.

This is why I think the ran case HAS to be left to Day 3. I feel like it's anti-town to make a move on someone not named FML or Potassium right now. And I KNOW that that goes against what I said earlier in the game, particularly late Day 1 when we tried to slow things down and get more conversation going first. We're in a dangerous moment right now, and we need to take action before a shot goes off.

Kary, please kill FML asap. We'll roll with what is next when we get there.
Anyone else that has a kill option toDay, jump in and just do it. Having a weapon and being able to kill is what your weapon is for. Holding it means nothing. It's only value is being used to make a kill against scum. Ending the game with a weapon still in hand doesn't win extra points or anything.

This is your chance.

HEY LOOK MORE QL PUSHING HOW TOWNIE G ****ING G.

Wow, and wishy washy stances on shooting too, i mean if it's scummy for us it's scummy for u to do it right ?

PLZ i am not scum, by any means. In fact shooting ran is liable to sooner land you scum, but please , tunnel harder on my slot. If potassium was going to shoot, and we were scum, he would have shot you as soon as he could reasonably get away with it (pretty damn fast given the thread feel on you at the time), you actually dunce.

Ran should not and DOES NOT have to wait to d3 mfw this is scummy play , hey, lets dealy x because why not and take a chance without thinking into it because hey, that worked so well d1, right ?

Oh look, more ql pushing, glad to see you take a townie approach to this /sarcasm

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

This. i wont buy it's not faked.

U all can if you like but precisely this after circus outed the lack of a rule should give you doubt enough

Some mods allow what they did though.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Funny, because I remember you saying you could tell if pawndidator2 is scum within 10 posts. After 2 posts, you posted this:

To which I replied this:



More to come, but you should quit tying yourself into knots.

this was posturing mainly but true, pawns reaction was going to be how i got a stronger handle on him

 

[Xastrn]

wtf dude, that lord argument. Owain is a myrmidon not lord ffs

That was my next point. Thank god for there being wikis for EVERYTHING.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Funny, because I remember you saying you could tell if pawndidator2 is scum within 10 posts. After 2 posts, you posted this:

To which I replied this:



More to come, but you should quit tying yourself into knots.

oh hey we then bounced around on ran,which is the same slot. Try harder kthx

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Xastrn why are you trying to get your biggest townread to shoot FML? What if he is town, you'll be killing off your biggest town read too!

Your strategies don't make a lick of sense as town

hint: because he's scum.

SHHHHHH

 

[Xastrn]

We saw the pressure dying and let them loose to the devices of the rest of town.

7-I said i couldnt stop the mob, and gave your fate into the hands of those you were accused by.

This, my friends, is what we call a contradiction.

Big difference between "we saw the pressure dying" and "we couldn't stop the mob."

 

[Kantrip]

Wait Xastrn that convo between you guys was on facebook, correct?

 

[Xastrn]

You keep acting like you didn't read your role PM. Perhaps you didn't read your SAFECLAIM that well? Most of us know our roles inside and out because we read them carefully.

My god, you guys even bickered about this IN PRIVATE CHAT with us. How hard is this?
You also claimed Owain both in private chat and in public before this. This isn't hard to keep up with, and I haven't even played FE before.

 

[Kantrip]

God I hate Xastrn in this so much more than I hate FML

 

[Xastrn]

Wait Xastrn that convo between you guys was on facebook, correct?

Yes.
As is our current talk out of thread, although we're cross posting because FML's AtE and lies are coming a mile a minute.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Because i remember every ****ing detail of every pm i ever get xast

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I don't have to quote it. Pure logic works fine.

1. Our (unfair?) facebook chat log dump should have been a complete 100% clear. Even Red Ryu, our biggest opponent, has cleared us based on it. Anyone rational would think a timestamped conversation that was 2 hours long, followed by more conversation the following day, would clear us.
2. FML's response was to wobble and say I dunno 60-40 scum I'd say (even in public).
3. FML suggested we swing everything to Kary.
4. We agreed.
5. Within hours, Potassium started to swing attention to Kary, indicating that he likely had received info from FML to do so.
6. FML then separates from us saying the mob wants us and he won't stop them from killing us, despite the fact that the heat had dropped on us a little bit.

In summary:

FML knew we were town.
FML separated from us, allowing for the possibility of us getting killed, when he could have simply said we convinced him and/or focused on other targets that he preferred: Kary, for example.

1) NOPE.JPG
2) Wishy washy does not equate to scum. it equates to us being unsure which we made incredibly clear, because hey guess what, we were. so sue us for always trying to reconsider things
3)You misinterpreted what i meant, but I mean thats cool, dont ask for clarification, just call us scum, that works too
4) //
5) null
6) A) intent on you was well dead thanks to us and we had decided that we couldnt let yo usit behind us anymore, this is not scummy, its called deliberation on reads

We knew no such thing

 

[Xastrn]

Here it comes.

Kary, just shoot. This conflict is exactly what scum wants to stir up in a hurry before they die. It gets everyone on edge and confuses things. It gives FML time to start distancing himself from people, and starts the bussing, and all of that.

We stand more from a kill right now than we will later.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Yes.
As is our current talk out of thread, although we're cross posting because FML's AtE and lies are coming a mile a minute.

OMGUS though

 

[Xastrn]

Wait Xastrn that convo between you guys was on facebook, correct?

Yes. We have a QT running so we can drop each other notes, and we decided to save the FB conversation there since we talked so much strategy and flavor there. Dastrn pasted it from there into the convo with FML.

hint: because he's scum.

SHHHHHH

Actually, because there's no danger of anyone dying if they daykill you. Your words, not ours.

Also, most everyone in town is so convinced we're town by our FB conversation that they think it was unfair. Red Ryu was so pissed he said he'd have modkilled us for it. Not sure if calling us scum is going to get you off the hook at this point.

@Potassium: We're still happy with you taking the shot sooner rather than later.

 

[Kantrip]

Yes.
As is our current talk out of thread, although we're cross posting because FML's AtE and lies are coming a mile a minute.

Can you post a chunk of your out of thread talk for me right now? Make sure it doesn't include any private mod communication and you should be solid.

 

[Xastrn]

Are you asking for current facebook chat or quick topic chat? we are using facebook for fast stuff, and QT for other stuff when we aren't on together.