Fire Emblem: Awakening Mafia | GAME OVER: Not Equal To The Challenge

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

ok, this is the thing. I read something along the lines that FML is like confirmed scum ¿? Without knowing the detail, I want to ask you something:

Can you copy-paste the FULL conversation you had with FML in the private qt? I know you quoted something in #743, but, again, I'd like to see the full 100% of it. Just a simple full copy-paste. If you want to take out the timestamps I don't care, just don't lose time giving format to the thing (You can make a subsequent post for that). It needs to be as fast as possible after this post. GO GO GO

Ok will do.

What be good ryu

I don't like Xastrn but I'm not sure if it is them being scummy or getting caught up in looking at numbers, they didn't do this in majora's mask as scum but I'm not sure of the intent here til they talk more. They lean scum for me right now, but I think it is possible they are caught up in the idea though I am trying to listen and talk to them about it first.

I like Kantrip, but I wanna see where he goes from here.

Soup is a crap shoot but if he throws a red flag again I'm gunning him down right away.

You are my strongest town read atm, but I wanna chat more before I reveal more about myself.

red flag again?
what was the first one?

In the last BiM he made a post that was a contradiction and trying ti defend his play as being town and had to be town.

If he does this again I'm auto shooting him.

okay, it's a meta thing more then one big scumslip.

Talk to me about dabuz and xast in depth at sone point. Ryu

I can do that tomarrow working til midnight and 9:00 AM class doesn't give me a lot if time ATM.

Thats fine. Bunz dont have much content atm anyways

Hey ryu :D.

I agree with you on xasrty, i dnt like his approach, you ever feel like someone's walking through the steps ? it's basically that. Pawn too concerns me, he's dropping the same nnobscum tells he did in his first newbie and him autolocking onto zen makes me uncorformtable with him

Pairing up with xastry should prove interesting. I think i'll tlk to him about that mechanical feel. Pawn still of concern

We can still talk here during the night right?

I want Xastrn super dead, his shot's 180 after telling people not to shoot at the hip is reakky dang gross.

I wanna ask Raz why he shot of it as well.

Fine with Zen and how he approached Soup, the other two not so much.

Let us disengage, ill pair with him and get him togive us that sword.
He cant use it anyways

And he can still.be shot because we will be in support

Go for it.

If he is scum he will refuse so scum or town he will cooperate if he wants a chance to live.

Need you to seperate first or he wont be able to trade

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Rebooting comp brb.

 

[Kantrip]

I appreciate what you were doing there, Death Mountain.

Ruy's town though

 

[Death Mountain]

ok thanks. This is good sign btw. Without checking yet the content, I'd say FML vs Ryu isn't SvS.

 

[Kantrip]

I could see dabuz with FML

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ok with FML shot if they don't post back.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

ok thanks. This is good sign btw. Without checking yet the content, I'd say FML vs Ryu isn't SvS.

why?

10 whys?

 

[Death Mountain]

I could see dabuz with FML

How so Kantrip?

 

[Death Mountain]

why?

10 whys?

Because I seriously doubt scum pairing up with scum would mount a whole charade in their private QT discussing reads and the likes.

 

[Kantrip]

How so Kantrip?

Generally inactive slot that I haven't seen anything substantial from and has nothing that makes me disconnect him from FML at all. The way he first responded to the pressure on FML was strange to me as well, especially so because he changed how he was treating the situation after some time.

 

[Death Mountain]

Gonna read that FML chat thing

 

[Xastrn]

Xastrn, who was your #1633 directed at?

At death mountain

 

[Xastrn]

Good Lord DM.
Read. Don't post about stuff unless you have already read about it. Just read. ALL the FML stuff. My chat log with him. RR's. Etc.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'd like your full read list.

Top to bottom with reasoning.

You - Town, already explained why

FML - Town, pushes and seems to have a direction.

Kary - Town lean, one of the few people not jumping on Xast kill wagon this game, has been pretty consistent read and logic wise. I do want to reread the slot but it's not a priority.

Zen - Null, nothing sticks out to me as scum but at the same i'm not seeing them with lots of town play.

Sokr - Nullscum, I want to push this slot since it's not active but IDK where to start with the slot. Has good questions but it's not hard to fake a few good questions.

Xast - Scumlean, the shot looks grimy to me still and the slot doesn't give much real content considering how much they post.

Potassium - Scum, was way too focused on Xast early game and it hurts town, now the slot is trying to strong arm someone to kill for him and a reason to set up mislynches. Not scum with Ranmaru though since his plan is to get a shot on Ranmaru.

Ranmaru - Scum, case on me was bad and in all honesty, looked opportunistic considering i'm an easy to push slot this game. Can't see being scum with Potassium though.

You seem to have it organized pretty clearly from most town to least town.

You think at this point Kantrip and Ran are worse overall than Xastrn?

Yeah. I mean, you look at Xast's posts and it's like you can see the hydra is putting in effort this game, and it's hard to find scum motive in their words unless they want to play kind of...silly. However I've seen scum put effort into their posts and play from a mechanic oriented viewpoint.

Kantrips slot just looks anti-town to me. Ran had a really fishy case on me and I can see his play from a scum POV, I feel like I need to reread his other cases to get a better read on them.

Also, it's been 2 hours since i last checked and there are about 80 posts to catchup on x.x

I'll get to this later, I'm not in a good mafia mood.

His posts make him town imo, with that convo. I misread his early game.

Have you're reads changed since before?

I made that post before reading the log, after seeing the convo log i'm pretty sure he's town. Waiting to see Xast's response to my question regarding the FML case since that changes a lot.

EBWOP: Pretty sure Xast is town.

You sure FML is still fine? I'm asking FML mostly to see if I think they lapsed there or not.

I'm kinda bugged out Zen vanished.

Still want Ran slot gone, Rajam is playing better but still don't like Ran.

Still need to reread but i'm really unsure on FML now. It's hard to completely 180 my town read on them so IDK, whether or not the slot read the role stuff is the hammer. Based on reading the whole conversation, I also feel like Xast twisted some of the stuff regarding FML trying to force a bad TvS. Ugh, rereading Day 2 later with all that context.

Ran's being grimy still.

Zen needs to be pressured Day 3, something about 1526 combined with FML liking the post is...off to me. I don't think he's worth looking at toDay though with slots like Ran, FML, and Pot on the chopping block.

Also, Sokr's bugging me because he said some of his reads have been shuffled around, but his reads and reasons were never clear anyway. Looks like a post just for the sake of posting. Any thoughts on the slot?

I can't nail him down, if someone shot him I wouldn't care.

He's a lot more unnoticed if that makes sense.

833

Said he read the entire FB chatlog, that's enough for me since idk how anyone couldn't see town Xast after reading it all.

 

[Kantrip]

That's pretty grimy from dabuz. Arbitrarily says "it's hard to 180 his town read" on FML. He's so reluctant to change his reads even when there's good cause to. dabuz scum on FML scum is pretty locked in for me

 

[Kantrip]

Also FML has suddenly disappeared and refused to post after all this. It seems he's accepted his fate.

@Kary: Care to do the honours?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Also FML has suddenly disappeared and refused to post after all this. It seems he's accepted his fate.

@Kary: Care to do the honours?

Hold your horses.

Wait til tomorrow at the latest.

 

[Kantrip]

But things are becoming stagnaaaaant

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Common sense dictates that if FML is scum, and they were fine with Ranmaru dying, that Ran is unlikely to be scum.

Rajam I will get you you about soup tomorrow if it's still relevant. Basically I re-read him after he rowed with Xast and realised he was definitely town.


Kanty I'm not in a rush, we at least have another day as I understand it. I'm also not sure why it's still important that I take the shot.

Oh yeah. This is my convo log with Zen. It felt important to post before the end of the Day. I didn't ask but frankly I don't want to argue about it. It's about completeness and avoiding loose ends.

Spoiler

Zen has chosen to Pair Up with Kary!

You may communicate in this Conversation for as long as the two of you remain paired.

Hello

Town

Me, Xast, FML Kary

Null

Ruy (town lean), dabuz (town lean), Kantrip (scum lean)

Scum

Ran, Sokr

Will elaborate in a bit.

Talk to me about pairing up with me. I thought you wanted to shoot people?

I would have rather you paired with me but that didn't look like it was happening.

Feel free to relay any of my reads, except for Ran. Of course none of my reads are certain, though I think Xast being scum would be incredibly ridiculous. The way Ran and I read each other is completely tainted once one of us knows the other thinks they are scum and then it turns into Walmart mafia. I want to grasp him more before I even hint at him that I think he's scum.

Town

Me, Xast: (xast proved his role when he used his dragonstone. He used the exact same language as my role "Even/Odd Rythm" in his crumbs. And his crumbs were really apparant in hindsight. I don't get why people don't realize how broken it would be for scum to end the day at their will without breaking their weapon (every other day) All scum would have to do is keep doing this, do you get this???

FML: Pretty much been playing town all game. And I really like that he is one of the few people not acting so rash on Xast. The only thing that has been making me weary recently is why him and Ruy are so obsessedwith that dang weapon.

Kary: Most consistent town read throughout the game. Seems to me like actually thinking and trying to determine motives rather than just pushing. Ex: Questioning of soup, but not pushing to be shot. Questioning of xast but not pushing to be shot. Didn't like when you were pointing to me and xast at the day start, but you seemed to have dropped that (unlike kantrip which is the reason he is scum lean).

Null

Ruy (town lean), dabuz (town lean): pretty typical play from them both. Don't really expect much out of them. If scum, I think it will become apparent later on when victory for either side is near.

Kantrip (scum lean): As I said, I don't like how he is just sticking to his "reads". It seems like he's trying to make his scum reads true even despite of conflicting evidence. Why does he not see that town Zen had legitimate reasoning to think that soup was scum, even though other confirmed town members saw soup as scum. And his convo quoted with sokr he stated that he sees why my view on xast changed once I realized his role, but despite that he is forcing scum intent behind it like it was some master plan for me to 180 my read on xast and not just straight up accepting it for what it was.

Scum

Ran: Grimy as hell. I feel like he is trying to keep the appearance of his town meta (posting a lot), but I don't feel like he is actually trying to read into anything. I don't expect town ran to just ignore posts which he has clearly been doing. Such as when he first came in and ignored the entire page because he felt it was just "me defending against stuff". If that were the case, why ignore it??? Why would he not read into it?

Sokr: The main suspicious thing of him came up recently when FML asked him if he was willing to shoot Xastrn and he backed down from it. All game he has been talking about how scummy Xast is pretty much in every one of his posts and now all the sudden his read changed when asked if he would shoot?

How would you feel about shooting Ran right now?

when I say right now, I mean toDay.

I would support it. It's a much better shot than Xast.

What happened in Walmart, briefly? I didn't pay attention to that game.

We tunnel each other into oblivion.

Yeah Ran is not analyzing.

You said earlier that you would shoot me, do you still think I'm scum? Also why did/do you?

I wouldn't shoot you right now, but I'm not ruling out that you could be scum.

The main reason for thinking you were scum was basically that you weren't pursuing any reads or showing any town intent, but since you've shared some reads and explained why you don't want to pursue Ran, but I'm more willing to accept that now.

Do you think if you called Ran scum here he would react the same way as he did in Walmart? I think as scum he would be more likely to try and avoid conflict with you.

He's only been scum against me once (scott pilgrim) and as you know I didn't even think he could be scum until the end. I'm about to put my reads out though so we'll see. I think most probably Town Ran would react by seeing me as scum and then tunnel me (I have usually taken this as scum tell of him and have in returned tunneled him in the past for it, but I think I've finally learned that's not the case) and I think scum Ran will probably react by trying to appease me and having a sort of "give up" attitude.

Yeah I don't think he will tunnel you here. I think it is worth seeing what he does.

What made you decide not to pair with Ran, by the way?

Originally wanted to pair with him because when we do have each other as town, I think we work extraordinarily well (Remember Necro mafia hehe). But I had already gotten scum vibes from him within the first day of D2. Would still have liked for him to support me but I wasn't going to support someone I felt was scummy as they have complete control over the pair.

Do NOT attack. I am not trusting both Kant and Sokr avoiding to make a kill today.

Would expect Rajam town to have different reads than Ran. The fact that they are sticking to what reads Ran already had is scum.

What do you think about Xast FML stuff?

Still need to read through though. I need to be productive these next couple of days so only had time to skim.

They disagree on me/RR though.

I don't have anything nice to say about it. What do you think about it?

Will let you know when I actually read. Which will be in the morning.

 

[Kantrip]

Xastrn is afraid of me bussing or something and doesn't want me to take the shot. I don't really get it but I'm fine with it because I don't mind holding onto my weapon. Additionally, on the very very slim chance FML is town, I don't wanna die That's not to say that you want to die, but I'm being selfish and cautious here, and since even Xastrn, the one who made the case, wants you to shoot, I thought "why not?"

 

[Kantrip]

On a scumflip I will 100% shoot toMorrow based on the majority's wishes.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Xastrn is afraid of me bussing or something and doesn't want me to take the shot. I don't really get it but I'm fine with it because I don't mind holding onto my weapon. Additionally, on the very very slim chance FML is town, I don't wanna die That's not to say that you want to die, but I'm being selfish and cautious here, and since even Xastrn, the one who made the case, wants you to shoot, I thought "why not?"

On a scumflip I will 100% shoot toMorrow based on the majority's wishes.

This all seems incredibly weaksauce to me, you know. Almost suspiciously so.

 

[Kantrip]

This all seems incredibly weaksauce to me, you know. Almost suspiciously so.

I'm confident enough to take the shot, but scared enough of the vengeful claim to prefer someone else do it. That's really the main reason. I'm scared of the vengeful claim.

Saving my weapon and my wishes lining up with Xastrn's are bonus points.

 

[Xastrn]

Xastrn is afraid of me bussing or something and doesn't want me to take the shot. I don't really get it but I'm fine with it because I don't mind holding onto my weapon. Additionally, on the very very slim chance FML is town, I don't wanna die That's not to say that you want to die, but I'm being selfish and cautious here, and since even Xastrn, the one who made the case, wants you to shoot, I thought "why not?"

I don't remember if I said anything about you not shooting, but at this point, our stance is that we would prefer you to shoot over kary, but would be happiest with whoever shoots the soonest. The game has stagnated because we know what to do and we're not doing it.

Potassium, do the honors. Let's do it it now so we can have the flip before we fall asleep tonight, and so that D3 starts during the weekend when most of us can post a lot.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Yes let's needlessly end the Day right now because it suits me better personally.

 

[Xastrn]

Oh and his vengeful claim was only supposed to apply to night kills. They bickered over it in our chatlog, even. Don't sweat that. Take the shot.

 

[Xastrn]

Yes let's needlessly end the Day right now because it suits me better personally.

Are you summarizing a "let's shoot a 100% scum 80% of the way through the Day" into a "needlessly end the Day because it suits me better personally?"

I'm not sure how you turned one into the other. But either way. It's time.

 

[Kantrip]

Wait so they're not basically a town bomb? They're claiming Night-time vengeful?

I'll shoot tomorrow night if someone else hasn't.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well they have the guns so we can't force them to shoot.

 

[Death Mountain]

Well I read it, and I just agree with Ryu's feelings on that it is odd. Comprised with my now null read on FML, I can see them being scum from it. Why? Because of them ****ting on me for every little thing. I mean seriously, I really think the harping on me talking about a skill in thread when he himself did it, is pot calling the kettle black. Kantrip also had a problem with me talking about it.

I also see Kantrip scum because of him trying to end the day sooner. I also think it's possible Kantrip was just letting me die without even considering (or commenting) on the Zen case at all. He decided I was the play because others wanted me. I also don't like that he NOW sees a problem with Dabuz. I would like for him to post what posts he was talking about earlier between dabuz/fml though. Kantrip also never answered my questions, he kept ignoring me and yet asked the same sort of questions to Xastrn I think.

Considering Kantrip being scum, I'd re-evaluate my reads on Ryu/Zen. I still have problems with Dabuz, so he stays. I wonder why he has had all these reads in the convo with Ryu but he hasn't really STATED those in thread. I mean he rarely commented on me until a person asked him.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I'm confident enough to take the shot, but scared enough of the vengeful claim to prefer someone else do it. That's really the main reason. I'm scared of the vengeful claim.

Saving my weapon and my wishes lining up with Xastrn's are bonus points.

Hold up. You think that they're a Vengeful mafiosi? Because that's broken.

Or you think that they might be town? Because you were just telling me to shoot them.


*blink*

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wait so they're not basically a town bomb? They're claiming Night-time vengeful?

I'll shoot tomorrow night if someone else hasn't.

Why does this feel like BiM4?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Hold up. You think that they're a Vengeful mafiosi? Because that's broken.

I've seen multiple set-ups around here use this on mafia side.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Are you summarizing a "let's shoot a 100% scum 80% of the way through the Day" into a "needlessly end the Day because it suits me better personally?"

I'm not sure how you turned one into the other. But either way. It's time.

It's time when I ****ING SAY IT'S TIME.

 

[Kantrip]

Hold up. You think that they're a Vengeful mafiosi? Because that's broken.

Or you think that they might be town? Because you were just telling me to shoot them.


*blink*

The town one.

I think they are scum, but I'm still scurred of the consequences of being wrong and shooting.

I'd like the source on them saying it's only Night-time vengeful though. In that case I have no problem with shooting.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm sad that people can honestly think I'm scum with FML

 

[FullMetalLynch]

hey post incoming
college life too op

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Hw then post.busy ass days for both me and orbo.

 

[Death Mountain]

I'm sad that people can honestly think I'm scum with FML

Why do you keep saying this? Have you pushed FML so hard that it seems natural or something?

 

[Xastrn]

It's time when I ****ING SAY IT'S TIME.

Oh let's not start with this again. We all put on our big boy pants 48 hours ago.