Fire Emblem 7 Mafia Poisoned Mutton Edition - Mafia Wins.

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

How about a round of Cop, Protect, Kill?

To make things more interesting, you're NOT allowed to put Ura as Protect because it'd be too easy of a choice.

Cop: Red Ryu
- Dude's done some shady stuff, to the point where many of us suspect him or are otherwise really wary of him. If there's still a cop here, checking him should be something to consider.

Protect: Don't wanna say this because I don't want to be branded as an "ass-kisser" again, though it's obviously gonna be anyone but Ryu or Dull.

Kill: Dull
- Using work as an excuse to lynch me specifically despite everything regarding this feels like he's just adding "fluff" to incriminate me. If he's not scum, he's not paying attention, but he's a DGames mod, so shouldn't he actually pay attention to the stuff we write to make sure we don't break the rules?

 

[BarDulL]

How about a round of Cop, Protect, Kill?

To make things more interesting, you're NOT allowed to put Ura as Protect because it'd be too easy of a choice.

Cop: Red Ryu
- Dude's done some shady stuff, to the point where many of us suspect him or are otherwise really wary of him. If there's still a cop here, checking him should be something to consider.

Protect: Don't wanna say this because I don't want to be branded as an "***-kisser" again, though it's obviously gonna be anyone but Ryu or Dull.

Kill: Dull
- Using work as an excuse to lynch me specifically despite everything regarding this feels like he's just adding "fluff" to incriminate me. If he's not scum, he's not paying attention, but he's a DGames mod, so shouldn't he actually pay attention to the stuff we write to make sure we don't break the rules?

I did not say you were scum because you are working.

I said you are scum because you left your vote on Ura without scumreading him and then conveniently never came back when Ura was on the verge of being lynched. You claimed your "vote was for pressure" but never made any kind of adjustment for a scum read.

I then said "Unikorn's response to this is probably that he was at work, but he also claimed he was at work when he was scum in Fate mafia." What I'm really trying to say here is that using "work" as a shield for why you left your vote on Ura is not an acceptable excuse in my opinion.

Yes we know it's fine that you can go to work and no one is calling you scum for going to work.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I did not say you were scum because you are working.

I said you are scum because you left your vote on Ura without scumreading him and then conveniently never came back when Ura was on the verge of being lynched. You claimed your "vote was for pressure" but never made any kind of adjustment for a scum read.

I then said "Unikorn's response to this is probably that he was at work, but he also claimed he was at work when he was scum in Fate mafia." What I'm really trying to say here is that using "work" as a shield for why you left your vote on Ura is not an acceptable excuse in my opinion.

Yes we know it's fine that you can go to work and no one is calling you scum for going to work.

Oh...

Swap Ryu and Dull on my answer then. Guess I just misread your thing

Unvote

 

[BarDulL]

I'm fine with being copped, although I think there are better targets.

inb4 Barney must be a godfather for being ok with getting copped

 

[BarDulL]

Fire Emblemier I see you in the thread. ShadowTheHedgehogZ has genuinely not logged in since last Tuesday. What's the verdict?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I'm fine with being copped, although I think there are better targets.

Then you m-

inb4 Barney must be a godfather for being ok with getting copped

Goddammit, you stole my words :V

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Votecount:

Pokechu- (1) Red Ryu
Shishœ-
Opossum-
Ura-
Jojalole-
LoneKonWolf-
Bardull-
ShadowTheHedgehogZ-
Red Ryu-
Moydow-
The Stoopid Unikorn- (3) Opossum, Shishœ, Jojalole

Currently voting: Red Ryu, Opossum, Shishœ, Jojalole

Not Voting: Pokechu, Ura, LoneKonWolf, Bardull, ShadowTheHedgehogZ, Moydow, The Stoopid Unikorn

With 11 players alive it takes 6 players to Lynch.

Deadline is Tuesday, August 7th at 8:30 PM EST

I'll be searching for a replacement for Shadow, if all else fails he will be hostkilled at the end of the day phase.

 

[Pokechu]

Let me rephrase:

You're saying Unikorn is null and kind of sketch, but it's possible that he's Town and just busy with working.

If Uni flips Town, you look good by saying this. If Uni flips scum, you look bad by saying this. Altogether though, you are distancing yourself from the lynch in a very similar manner as you did with Ura.

You're doing the exact same thing with Shadow by saying "it likely won't give us a result we want." You just speak in a manner that I don't feel is reasonable. Perhaps being too confident with your reads is a better way to put it. Having Moydow and LoneKonWolf as Town is also eerie, as they haven't posted much or gotten their hands dirty...at all.

You don't have to explain your reads to me, but I'd like a full list, top to bottom, of who you think is scum and who you think is Town.

??? How am I distancing myself from the lynch if how I look changes depending on his flip??? Wouldn't distancing just be... refusing to speak on it at all, other than "idk he's null maybe???"

With Shadow, it is true that it likely won't give us a result we want. He's likely town. I might be wrong as I don't have his Role PM LOL but we know for sure he's not a PR town or a PR mafia, that's why I think he's likely town. I don't see how it's anywhere near being too confident. It's just by chance, since there's only 3 mafia roles (4 too much, 2 too little).

Although, plot twist? He's mafia and that's the only reason he hasn't been hostkilled. LOL He wouldn't be a bad lynch today now that I think about this possibility tbh

Something like this:

Pokechu - Town
Unikorn - Null
Bard - Scum
etc.

I don't expect a completely laid out read list since that's a lot.

Town
Opo
Shish
Ura, duh lol
Moydow
Kon
Joja
Shadow

Null
Stoopid

Mafia
Red Ryu
Barney

I'm suspicious of Red Ryu because during D1, he wanted to push a lynch, and not just a lynch, a quicklynch, onto Spak. Perhaps he's played with Spak before and could tell he was a PR. Either way it was unnecessary and if I'm recalling correctly, he didn't provide any reasoning at all. He just wanted a lynch on Spak. Not only that, I feel his case on me me is a bit bare bones? I explained my side, and he's said repeatedly since then "still OK with lynching him". Yeah, someone can read me as mafia, that's not the point, it's just that he's using that one post against me, that's his whole case. If you have a series of observations like "in post 1 he said this but in post 2 he said this and they dont match", that's great, slam dunk me please, but the case he's trying to push is a little empty imo. Others have done arguably more sketch things, yet to my knowledge he isn't saying he's fine with lynching them (I think he's only mentioned Shadow specifically? for his inactivity), and no one else seems to be worried about the post Red Ryu is.

I'm suspicious of you because it wasn't until I started bringing attention to your vote and after the confirmed townie (Ura) started thinking I was sketch, that you became vocal with your suspicions of me. It paints to me that you're making it look like it's the confirmed townie's idea, and not yours. I find it strange that you asked for my reads and then slammed me on all of them, stating that it's eerie to read Moy and Kon as town despite me putting very valid reasoning, that Kon is in character with the two games I've played with him and that Moy is a newcomer. What, did you want me to say "I find all three null!" and that's it? Because that wouldn't be any better. And I still find your 180 on Opo to be a bit quick, as you provided reasoning aside from the Neapolitan.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm suspicious of you because it wasn't until I started bringing attention to your vote and after the confirmed townie (Ura) started thinking I was sketch, that you became vocal with your suspicions of me. It paints to me that you're making it look like it's the confirmed townie's idea, and not yours. I find it strange that you asked for my reads and then slammed me on all of them, stating that it's eerie to read Moy and Kon as town despite me putting very valid reasoning, that Kon is in character with the two games I've played with him and that Moy is a newcomer. What, did you want me to say "I find all three null!" and that's it? Because that wouldn't be any better. And I still find your 180 on Opo to be a bit quick, as you provided reasoning aside from the Neapolitan.

I mean, I was suspicious of you regardless of whether or not you were suspicious of me, so...yeah.

Also, there's this:

Oh, okay, that makes sense!

Yeah, the context was different, but the end result was the same, the PR died. I think that's why Opo was hesitant to believe the lie detecting, because I too would've expected them to stay silent because town just lost their strongest PR.

This post seemed to suggest an alleviation of suspicion on your end towards me, so I think it would be odd for me as scum to voice suspicion towards you after you seemed to be backing off and inferring that I could be telling the truth. Ironically, I think you only began voicing suspicion of me again after I voiced suspicion towards you after you voiced suspicion of me and then seemingly dropped it a tad.

So, really, while this is a convoluted mess of shenanigans, you're actually OMGUS'ing me, and not the other way around.

I asked for reads on those individuals because they are pretty unsafe to read in general IMO. Although in hindsight I actually do like Kon more than Moydow, so we have some contrasts there as well.

I'm not sure what to say about my read on Opo except that Shish clearly gambited Opo, I was confused but still felt Opo should be pressed, Opo responded in a manner that I felt was satisfactory while Shish affirmed that his shtick was a gambit. I then was able to analyze the true context of their interaction and felt it was further safe to say that Opo was not a direction I should check. I feel all of these things culminate to be satisfactory for me to move away from Opo and towards other avenues.

Complaining about my 180 is odd considering you 180'd on Ura towards the end of D1, by the way.

 

[BarDulL]

Anyway, to be frank, I feel like we're getting played like, ultra hard, unless it's really simple.

Just looking at this list:

Opo
Shish
Ura
Moydow
Kon
Joja
Shadow
Stoopid
Red Ryu
Barney

Stoopid and Shadow being scum would make some sense if Shadow is like a mafia goon and the kill was carried out by someone else (assuming that we can use modding meta to assume Shadow doesn't have a specific role ability). I'm just surprised at how quickly Shadow was to reveal that he was Pent. Although I guess this is his first game, so maybe the reveal isn't indicative of alignment?

The third and final one might be a tough call.

If this isn't the case, then I am super confused, and something we think is safe to assume is not actually safe at all.

 

[Deleted member]

With the current BardXUni banter, I think it's a good idea to lynch one of them. Uni is higher on my suspicion list so I'll keep my vote on him. I probably shouldn't have backed off Uni last Day now that I think about it.

 

[BarDulL]

With the current BardXUni banter, I think it's a good idea to lynch one of them. Uni is higher on my suspicion list so I'll keep my vote on him. I probably shouldn't have backed off Uni last Day now that I think about it.

I'm confused. You're looking only at the current banter and, uh, not the entire game?

What about my banter has been scummy to you?

 

[BarDulL]

I'll be back later, gotta get stuff done.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm confused. You're looking only at the current banter and, uh, not the entire game?

What about my banter has been scummy to you?

I was already voting for Uni before, I already had my reasons to be suspicious of him nefore. This whole thing just solidified it to me, it just feels... I dunno, artificial. One of you going should at least tell us what one side's the intentions were.

 

[BarDulL]

I was already voting for Uni before, I already had my reasons to be suspicious of him nefore. This whole thing just solidified it to me, it just feels... I dunno, artificial. One of you going should at least tell us what one side's the intentions were.

I don't get it. Do you think it's SvS or SvT? What do you seek to achieve from a lynch between us two? How is banter a confirmation that one of us should be scum, and why is there merit in lynching one of us as a direct result of banter?

 

[Pokechu]

I mean, I was suspicious of you regardless of whether or not you were suspicious of me, so...yeah.

Okay, but the point was that you weren't vocal. You can claim to be suspicious of me after the fact, but you weren't vocal about it until Ura stepped up, and I believe me "distancing" (lol still don't get that) myself from the lynch was brought up before. It was one of the first posts this Day with Shish @'ing me, I believe, and asking why I didn't vote Ura.

So, really, while this is a convoluted mess of shenanigans, you're actually OMGUS'ing me, and not the other way around.

unnecessary snark by the way

This post seemed to suggest an alleviation of suspicion on your end towards me, so I think it would be odd for me as scum to voice suspicion towards you after you seemed to be backing off and inferring that I could be telling the truth. Ironically, I think you only began voicing suspicion of me again after I voiced suspicion towards you after you voiced suspicion of me and then seemingly dropped it a tad.

I was on mobile and didn't have the time then to fight you, and some of the reasons I think you're scum now didn't exist at the time of that post. I'm more suspicious of you now than I was then at the time of that quote.

Complaining about my 180 is odd considering you 180'd on Ura towards the end of D1, by the way.

I don't recall saying "Ura is real suspicious" not once D1. So... what 180? Because he was looking fine to me until when he asked for the Lie Detect, that was too convenient for me but even then I was more wary of Spak, because he was the one actually claiming Instant Day Lie Detector.

 

[BarDulL]

Back.

unnecessary snark by the way

It's true though? You voiced suspicion, I responded, you alleviated your suspicion (it strongly looks that way), I voice suspicion towards you, then you find something new to voice suspicion towards me for. It's a mouthful, not snark.

I was on mobile and didn't have the time then to fight you

Okay, but the point was that you weren't vocal. You can claim to be suspicious of me after the fact, but you weren't vocal about it until I agreed with Ura that you were suspicious.

Do you see what I did there? This is pretty hypocritical of you.

I don't recall saying "Ura is real suspicious" not once D1. So... what 180? Because he was looking fine to me until when he asked for the Lie Detect, that was too convenient for me but even then I was more wary of Spak, because he was the one actually claiming Instant Day Lie Detector.

You came out of nowhere saying Ura wasn't suspicious and you had no reason to suspect him, then towards the end you were "spiritually" on Ura's lynch after a quick interaction with Shish. That's a 180.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't get it. Do you think it's SvS or SvT? What do you seek to achieve from a lynch between us two? How is banter a confirmation that one of us should be scum, and why is there merit in lynching one of us as a direct result of banter?

I was already suspicious of Uni before and I do not believe this is SvS.
But if he turns up Town, I'll have to reevaluate you.

 

[BarDulL]

I feel I'm grappling with like three people at once.

Shish, where did your original suspicions come from? It seems really out of the blue, and I don't quite understand why banter is the root source.

What is your opinion of Pokechu?

 

[Pokechu]

Okay, but the point was that you weren't vocal. You can claim to be suspicious of me after the fact, but you weren't vocal about it until I agreed with Ura that you were suspicious.

Do you see what I did there? This is pretty hypocritical of you.

The points I made still stood. They were still valid, even excluding that one quote. I wasn't tagging other people to get their read on you for no reason. My suspicion of you was definitely there, even if it wasn't as apparent as it is now.

You came out of nowhere saying Ura wasn't suspicious and you had no reason to suspect him, then towards the end you were "spiritually" on Ura's lynch after a quick interaction with Shish. That's a 180.

By that point he had already gained most of the votes, and I didn't think anyone else aside from like Shadow was gonna get votes anytime soon, so...

still not seeing the 180. I wasn't even "OMG Ura is complete town!!! DON'T lynch him, or ELSE!" to "let's lynch him guys!!!! ura is SCUM", I was "I don't think he's that sketch? Not sure we should lynch him, we wouldn't get any information. He seems fine to me." to "Well, now that I know he would give information, if he's getting lynched, I'm not bothered. I didn't think we could get a good lynch."

Yeah, my opinion changed, from "he seems fine to me" to "if he's dying then okay", but it's not anywhere near the 180 you claim it to be.

 

[Deleted member]

I feel I'm grappling with like three people at once.

Shish, where did your original suspicions come from? It seems really out of the blue, and I don't quite understand why banter is the root source.

What is your opinion of Pokechu?

The banter is not the root, I already said that it only solidified my suspicions on Uni. Ever since the Ura wagon I've been on the fence about you. It just felt like you wanted reason to jump on it despite being against me that Day up until then.

Pokechu feels less like Town with each passing minute but I want to see Uni's flip first before making any decisions. If Uni is scum, then I'd say it's likely Pokechu is as well.

 

[Ura]

...starting to connect the dots...

 

[BarDulL]

The points I made still stood. They were still valid, even excluding that one quote. I wasn't tagging other people to get their read on you for no reason. My suspicion of you was definitely there, even if it wasn't as apparent as it is now.

By that point he had already gained most of the votes, and I didn't think anyone else aside from like Shadow was gonna get votes anytime soon, so...

My points are completely valid, but you're saying they're not because I found you to be suspicious only after you found me to be suspicious. You're saying that it looks like I am targeting you only after you targeted me, but that can't be right because by your own admission, you relinquished pressure towards me because you "didn't have time to fight." So I don't get why you think I'm throwing suspicion towards you for nefarious means if I didn't feel you were on the hunt for yung Barney.

still not seeing the 180. I wasn't even "OMG Ura is complete town!!! DON'T lynch him, or ELSE!" to "let's lynch him guys!!!! ura is SCUM", I was "I don't think he's that sketch? Not sure we should lynch him, we wouldn't get any information. He seems fine to me." to "Well, now that I know he would give information, if he's getting lynched, I'm not bothered. I didn't think we could get a good lynch."

Yeah, my opinion changed, from "he seems fine to me" to "if he's dying then okay", but it's not anywhere near the 180 you claim it to be.

It's still a 180 though. Your claim on my 180 is also not anywhere near you claim it to be either.

I feel like every argument you use against me can be turned around and used against you. It's just bizarre.

 

[BarDulL]

The banter is not the root, I already said that it only solidified my suspicions on Uni. Ever since the Ura wagon I've been on the fence about you. It just felt like you wanted reason to jump on it despite being against me that Day up until then.

Anyone voting for Unikorn or pressuring his slot will need to be evaluated, granted. Your phrasing is weird though because it suggested that banter was the root of why you felt we should make the lynch between myself and Uni. Meaning, you know, you thought I was a worthy lynch candidate...possibly because you may think I'm scum as a result of said banter...maybe?

 

[Ura]

Ryu, Joja, Chu

 

[Pokechu]

Ryu, Joja, Chu

Why would I buss my mafia mate with thiccness after he's been bussing me

I'm suspicious of Red Ryu because during D1, he wanted to push a lynch, and not just a lynch, a quicklynch, onto Spak. Perhaps he's played with Spak before and could tell he was a PR. Either way it was unnecessary and if I'm recalling correctly, he didn't provide any reasoning at all. He just wanted a lynch on Spak. Not only that, I feel his case on me me is a bit bare bones? I explained my side, and he's said repeatedly since then "still OK with lynching him". Yeah, someone can read me as mafia, that's not the point, it's just that he's using that one post against me, that's his whole case. If you have a series of observations like "in post 1 he said this but in post 2 he said this and they dont match", that's great, slam dunk me please, but the case he's trying to push is a little empty imo. Others have done arguably more sketch things, yet to my knowledge he isn't saying he's fine with lynching them (I think he's only mentioned Shadow specifically? for his inactivity), and no one else seems to be worried about the post Red Ryu is.

 

[Pokechu]

My points are completely valid, but you're saying they're not because I found you to be suspicious only after you found me to be suspicious. You're saying that it looks like I am targeting you only after you targeted me, but that can't be right because by your own admission, you relinquished pressure towards me because you "didn't have time to fight." So I don't get why you think I'm throwing suspicion towards you for nefarious means if I didn't feel you were on the hunt for yung Barney.

I'm not saying your points aren't valid, I'm just saying that you sitting on them silently are part of the reason why I suspect you. It's not the whole reason obviously but it's part of it, as you seemed relatively mute on me beforehand.

It's still a 180 though. Your claim on my 180 is also not anywhere near you claim it to be either.

I feel like every argument you use against me can be turned around and used against you. It's just bizarre.

I wouldn't call it a 180? That's not a complete flip at all, it wasn't from "[vote] okay here's my reasons" to "NEVERMIND"

But I honestly have no way to defend myself, so I'll drop it. I'm still suspect of you but I haven't been playing the best townie game myself to be honest LOL

 

[Deleted member]

Why would I buss my mafia mate with thiccness after he's been bussing me

You don't actually bus someone until they have been ran over the bus

 

[Pokechu]

You don't actually bus someone until they have been ran over the bus

They don't have to be lynched for it to be bussing, they just have to be distanced, because it still creates a contrast between the two mafioso.

 

[Deleted member]

They don't have to be lynched for it to be bussing, they just have to be distanced, because it still creates a contrast between the two mafioso.

I don't think you know what bussing means

 

[Pokechu]

I don't think you know what bussing means

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bussing
"Bussing is the act of distancing yourself from your scum partners, usually by helping to lynch them"

Bussing isn't just lynching your scummates.

 

[Deleted member]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bussing
"Bussing is the act of distancing yourself from your scum partners, usually by helping to lynch them"

Bussing isn't just lynching your scummates.

You can't throw someone under the bus if they don't get hurt. It's only bussing when Mafia sacrifices one of their members to the lynch to gain credibility.

 

[Pokechu]

You can't throw someone under the bus if they don't get hurt. It's only bussing when Mafia sacrifices one of their members to the lynch to gain credibility.

There's different levels of bussing, two mafioso can be at each other's throats the whole game but if neither gets lynched, it's still bussing because you wouldn't expect them to be in the same faction.

 

[Ura]

Why would I buss my mafia mate with thiccness after he's been bussing me

Reverse psychology my dude. It stands to reason why you would want to create the illusion of being at odds with each other and pursuing different agendas. Until now, I only associated Red with Bar when it hit me that this is what Mafia might want me to think. Chu being aligned with Shish and Red with Bar. It's way too convient and straightforward to be the case. Then we have the wildcard Joja who I believe is the most sketch out of the inactives (in addition to what I said about him before) and it makes for a pretty convincing trio. It's also probably why you three all had different voting patterns Day 1.

Also really sketch that Red's first instinct in this phase was to go after you. Giving a very generic "Ura is Town" remark that was painfully obvious and heading straight after you.

 

[Pokechu]

Also really sketch that Red's first instinct in this phase was to go after you. Giving a very generic "Ura is Town" remark that was painfully obvious and heading straight after you.

Exactly, that's why I'm suspicious of him lol.

It's not exactly out of place though, he pointed out that same post right after I made it D1 so I'm not sure how it creates a link between us?

It's also probably why you three all had different voting patterns Day 1.

You could pull any three people, they'd all likely have different voting patterns, you had a wagon of 5 and Shadow had a wagon of 4, it wouldn't be that hard. I didn't vote, Red voted you, and Joja voted Shadow.

Chu being aligned with Shish

IDK how you got this, considering how we've been at odds with each other. Shish has been seeing me as less town by the minute.

Then we have the wildcard Joja who I believe is the most sketch out of the inactives (in addition to what I said about him before)

I think you're like the only one suspicious of Joja, I'd have to reread the thread but he was only voted once toDay I think and it was only an RNG vote by Shish.

 

[Deleted member]

Bussing is not even a valid strategy anymore after FEH Mafia 2

 

[Pokechu]

Bussing is not even a valid strategy anymore after FEH Mafia 2

Why isn't it?

Ura was killed D1, it was obvious Shiny was mafia, and you got tracked.

 

[Pokechu]

this game dead lol

 

[Deleted member]

Why isn't it?

Ura was killed D1, it was obvious Shiny was mafia, and you got tracked.

Because if it was, I wouldn't have gotten tracked in the first place

 

[Pokechu]

Because if it was, I wouldn't have gotten tracked in the first place

That's not why I tracked you, I tracked you because Nabe was suspicious of you and pointed out how you reacted to Ura panicking to that one vote by Holder but then immediately slipped into reading him as Town, along with some other odd interactions that I've forgotten. You claiming bulletproof when Surtr already was is also another major reason why (along with you claiming Sheena, a green armor, Surtr is also a green armor).