Fire Emblem 7 Mafia Poisoned Mutton Edition - Mafia Wins.

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Oppo’s reaction seems genuine.

Either way we lynch shadow or he gets replaced/modkilled.

We got a few lurkers i’m Not super found if because I got little to go on, Moydow, KonWolf, and Joja come to mind.

Still A-Ok with lynching PokeChu.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

People keep harping about my Indy vote part.

Why would you ever phrase you being town as, “I win with town” versus “I am a townie” I play attention to sentence structure for slips like this. Why phrase it like this, it doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Vote: Opossum

Trying to brand me as suspicious when you voted for a confirmed townie? Smooth move, Opo.

I, for one, believe you were legitimately cooking pasta at the last possible second, unlike a certain confirmed townie who uses their confirmation to use whatever comment frustrates them as "evidence" without getting fingers pointed at them, but...

Your behavior really feels odd; instead of just being your usual aggro self and voting me right away for pressure with how suspicious you think I am, you took your time, voting like, two or three different people before finally going for the guy you actually suspect the most.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Moydow where as you thinking of voting right now?

LoneKonWolf where you gonna vote, I like your read list but i want curious where your main direction will be.

 

[Deleted member]

I, for one, believe you were legitimately cooking pasta at the last possible second,

I'm laughing from this whole thing because I can't believe this is an actual serious argument we're having.

I figured it out: Town cooks their pasta, while Mafia just slaps instant noodles on their microwave.

 

[Ura]

I, for one, believe you were legitimately cooking pasta at the last possible second, unlike a certain confirmed townie who uses their confirmation to use whatever comment frustrates them as "evidence" without getting fingers pointed at them, but.../QUOTE]
Just stop okay?

 

[Ura]

I'm laughing from this whole thing because I can't believe this is an actual serious argument we're having.

I figured it out: Town cooks their pasta, while Mafia just slaps instant noodles on their microwave.

And that's why Mafia wins lol.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

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Okay, yeah, that was really uncalled for, so I'm sorry.

It's just a bad impression of you that I got from the whole pasta argument.

I'm laughing from this whole thing because I can't believe this is an actual serious argument we're having.

I figured it out: Town cooks their pasta, while Mafia just slaps instant noodles on their microwave.

Quick! Someone make an All Might meme out of this!

 

[Ura]

Okay, yeah, that was really uncalled for, so I'm sorry.

It's just a bad impression of you that I got from the whole pasta argument.

That's fine. That whole thing left a bad taste in some so I would rather we forget it.

There's better, more substantial things to discuss anyways.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

That whole thing left a bad taste in some

Opo's taste buds would beg to differ :V

 

[Ura]

Opo's taste buds would beg to differ :V

Yeah Opo's pasta is S Tier lol.

 

[Opossum]

Yeah Opo's pasta is S Tier lol.

The S stands for spaghetti.

 

[Deleted member]

Quick! Someone make an All Might meme out of this!

My Mafia Academia flavor leaked

 

[Moydow]

Moydow where as you thinking of voting right now?

At the moment I'm thinking we should just get rid of Shadow, since it doesn't seem as if he's coming back. Either we get lucky and take out a mafioso, or we get rid of someone who wasn't helping us anyway and was just increasing the possibility of a ly-lo situation.

If the hosts have a plan to replace Shadow with someone who actually exists, or to just hostkill him, I guess it's a toss-up between Uni and Opossum right now, for me. I do believe Opo's pasta story (why were we making such a big deal out of that anyway?), but given that he's been talking about his suspicions of Uni all game, I find it odd how he didn't just come straight out and vote for Uni, instead of having this song and dance where he first votes for a confirmed townie before actually going for his initial target. His reaction to Shish's gambit seems genuine enough, but even then I find myself suspicious of his overall behaviour throughout the game so far.

As for Uni, like I said before I also believe him about his heavy work schedule making it difficult for him to keep up on everything here. There are a lot of things that don't add up, though. A lot of his responses, like how he handled Shish's initial suspicion of him, seemed sketchy. I could believe that it's just because of his work schedule, but like I said before I want to see him being more consistent in his responses if he wants me to be less suspicious towards him.

I'll wait to see more from the two of them, or to see if the hosts have anything to say on the Shadow situation, before settling on anything this early in the round.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm gonna keep my vote on Joja for now, RNG never lied to me before.
I also think we should let the hosts decide on what to do with an inactive like Shadow

 

[Ura]

I think things need to move faster.

Today's lynch should be one of the 5 guys I mentioned at the start of the day in addition to the inactive Shadow.

If we want to win, we need to start making better plays. Especially me considering Mafia will have a field day with me the next Night phase.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

Moydow where as you thinking of voting right now?

LoneKonWolf where you gonna vote, I like your read list but i want curious where your main direction will be.

At this point my vote is wavy between yourself and uni to be honest. Out of the pool of suspects you two are the highest among my list.

 

[Opossum]

I mean, I'm just saying. Uni seems to be the common denominator on all of our suspicion lists.

 

[BarDulL]

@Shishœ I thought it was fine, but once you changed your vote elsewhere it was clear that something was amiss. I would've ended the gambit upon changing directions (and possibly waited for more votes), but it's whatever.

Unvote

Opossum's reaction seems fine. I agree that things were really convenient for Ura to openly ask for a lie detector and for Spak to come to his aid. I've also seen games where Mafia relied heavily on the claim of another player (Mario mafia comes to mind, with vaan and Swamp). I guess I'm a little biased because I know Spak would never do this unless it was a LyLo situation.

The Stoopid Unikorn outside of Opossum, anyone you think is scum? Who's Town?

 

[Jojalole]

Yeah, I'm going to put down my vote against Uni too, and the interaction between Opo and Shish make me feel like town lean

Vote: The Stoopid Unikorn

I'm gonna keep my vote on Joja for now, RNG never lied to me before.

You dare say this on an FE themed mafia. Surely you've never missed a 93% or gotten killed by a 2% enemy crit right?

 

[Ura]

Oh **** double lynching doesn't work in this game.

Well something has to be done about Shadow eventually.

Of course the bigger priority lies within "The 5" as I like to call them.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

The Stoopid Unikorn The Stoopid Unikorn outside of Opossum, anyone you think is scum? Who's Town?

I’m wary of Shish, but that’s mostly because of the whole mess that was day 1 rather than an actual suspicion.

As far as actual suspicions go, Red Ryu is someone I’m really feeling not too great about. The way he handled the whole Ura thing last day and how he defended it on this day with usage of specific wording on Ura’s part is strange. Especially when Chu connected the dots by showing that what Ura said was a town win condition.

Additionally, Shadow’s a bit of a wild card due to his inactivity. He hinders the town by not showing up, but thankfully has no night actions, as seen by how the night ended earlier.

 

[Pokechu]

My problem with Opossum's reasoning largely has to do with a few things:

1. Town reprimanding Shiny for claiming is fair because Shiny claimed upon being asked if he had anything to share. Go figure, he ended up getting killed last night. This is so far away from the context of Spak's claim, whom was claiming directly as a result of Ura's slot being pushed towards the edge of a cliff.

2. Asking for tangible proof that Spak's a lie detector when there's no such thing as tangible proof outside of mod confirmation. Undermining the authenticity of Spak's claim was a direct method of trying to get Ura killed, and it just seems like Opossum was not trying to be open-minded about the possibility that Spak was telling the truth.

Vote: Opossum

I'm gonna have to believe him to be Town, otherwise, he would have tried to get me lynched after saying I was full of bull**** to get rid of me or fakeclaimed something because it would be too risky for a Mafioso to deny an investigative result they know should be true.

@Shishœ

How do you feel about Barney's vote here?

I think it's a little opportunistic, Barney points out how Opo is comparing the Shiny situation to Spak, but in reality they're not different. I still don't believe that Ura was worth our lie detector coming out, esp. after they got hostkilled for it, it would've been better for Spak to stay quiet imo. Yes, if Spak stayed silent then Ura would've died, but despite Spak outing himself Ura was the lynch anyways. It didn't help one bit, now we're out of a doc protection and a cop check.

Not only that, but Barney flames Opo for asking for tangible proof that Spak's a lie detector, and calls it "undermining" to get Ura killed, but in reality, it isn't. A lie detector. In a Vanilla Mafia game. Not only that, but a Day lie detector. And not only that, but a Day lie detector who gets results instantly. Opo wasn't the only one hesitant to believe it was a fakeclaim, I know that you and I were suspicious of it too. I don't even think Opo was trying to get Ura killed, I'll have to reread the thread but I think he was more suspicious of Spak for his claim, just like my stance yesterDay.

 

[Pokechu]

@Shishœ

How do you feel about Barney's vote here?

I think it's a little opportunistic, Barney points out how Opo is comparing the Shiny situation to Spak, but in reality they're not different. I still don't believe that Ura was worth our lie detector coming out, esp. after they got hostkilled for it, it would've been better for Spak to stay quiet imo. Yes, if Spak stayed silent then Ura would've died, but despite Spak outing himself Ura was the lynch anyways. It didn't help one bit, now we're out of a doc protection and a cop check.

Not only that, but Barney flames Opo for asking for tangible proof that Spak's a lie detector, and calls it "undermining" to get Ura killed, but in reality, it isn't. A lie detector. In a Vanilla Mafia game. Not only that, but a Day lie detector. And not only that, but a Day lie detector who gets results instantly. Opo wasn't the only one hesitant to believe it was a fakeclaim, I know that you and I were suspicious of it too. I don't even think Opo was trying to get Ura killed, I'll have to reread the thread but I think he was more suspicious of Spak for his claim, just like my stance yesterDay.

oh

I didn't think I still had that post of Shish's quoted, my bad Shish!

I thought I put my response to it in my post, guess not.

I wouldn't read Opo vehemently refusing he was VT a town read, your reasoning was that it'd be too risky for a mafia to deny and Investigative they know should be true but that's exactly what Opo did last game, he got cop checked, was mafia, and denied it and fakeclaimed Cop.

I just thought to point that out and see if you had any thoughts about it, since it makes Opo still a null read for me.

 

[Pokechu]

I didn't think I still had that post of Shish's quoted, my bad Shish!

I thought I put my response to it in my post, guess not.

>contradictory

lol

where my mind @ tho, I done lost it, if anyone finds it then come hit me up

 

[Pokechu]

Opossum

How do you feel about Barney's vote here?

I think it's a little opportunistic, Barney points out how Opo is comparing the Shiny situation to Spak, but in reality they're not different. I still don't believe that Ura was worth our lie detector coming out, esp. after they got hostkilled for it, it would've been better for Spak to stay quiet imo. Yes, if Spak stayed silent then Ura would've died, but despite Spak outing himself Ura was the lynch anyways. It didn't help one bit, now we're out of a doc protection and a cop check.

Not only that, but Barney flames Opo for asking for tangible proof that Spak's a lie detector, and calls it "undermining" to get Ura killed, but in reality, it isn't. A lie detector. In a Vanilla Mafia game. Not only that, but a Day lie detector. And not only that, but a Day lie detector who gets results instantly. Opo wasn't the only one hesitant to believe it was a fakeclaim, I know that you and I were suspicious of it too. I don't even think Opo was trying to get Ura killed, I'll have to reread the thread but I think he was more suspicious of Spak for his claim, just like my stance yesterDay.

What do you have to say about Barney's vote?

 

[Pokechu]

People keep harping about my Indy vote part.

Why would you ever phrase you being town as, “I win with town” versus “I am a townie” I play attention to sentence structure for slips like this. Why phrase it like this, it doesn’t make sense to me.

I think usually in NZone games we either say for Townies that they need to "eliminate all threats" or just that they're Town. I don't think we've said explicitly in Role PMs "if you die, you win if town does!" or "If Town wins, even if you die, you still win", so I think that a player phrasing their WinCon like how Ura did isn't out of the blue.

 

[Pokechu]

Oh wait I just saw Barney unvote his vote

Point still stands, my bad though Barney, still think it was too opportunistic

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I think usually in NZone games we either say for Townies that they need to "eliminate all threats" or just that they're Town. I don't think we've said explicitly in Role PMs "if you die, you win if town does!" or "If Town wins, even if you die, you still win", so I think that a player phrasing their WinCon like how Ura did isn't out of the blue.

Ehhh, got examples?

This feel very alien to me from every single mafia game I have played because phrasing it like that implies that you win with town but aren't town yourself. It just seems really odd to me that you would ever phrase it like that.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@Shishœ I thought it was fine, but once you changed your vote elsewhere it was clear that something was amiss. I would've ended the gambit upon changing directions (and possibly waited for more votes), but it's whatever.

Unvote

Opossum's reaction seems fine. I agree that things were really convenient for Ura to openly ask for a lie detector and for Spak to come to his aid. I've also seen games where Mafia relied heavily on the claim of another player (Mario mafia comes to mind, with vaan and Swamp). I guess I'm a little biased because I know Spak would never do this unless it was a LyLo situation.

The Stoopid Unikorn outside of Opossum, anyone you think is scum? Who's Town?

Where is your head at in terms of direction.

Fire Emblemier Can we rely on shadow's slot being modkilled or replaced or will it up to us to lynch him?

 

[Pokechu]

Ehhh, got examples?

This feel very alien to me from every single mafia game I have played because phrasing it like that implies that you win with town but aren't town yourself. It just seems really odd to me that you would ever phrase it like that.

From the past 4 NZone games:

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You are Matthew, a spy under the employ of Lord Hector of Ostia!
You serve as this army's prime information gatherer, as you've been here from the beginning. And you, my friend, have options. Once per night, you may track a user. This will yield a list of all actions they took that night, in addition to who they used them on. Alternatively, you may opt to look to see who they PM'd instead, which will also give you the last PM they sent. Be watchful, my roguish friend.

You are aligned with the joint army of Askr and Nifl. You win when all threats are eliminated.

That's from FEH 2, only says "You're town, you win when all threats are eliminated"

True Name: EMIYA
Class: Assassin

You are Kiritsugu Emiya, the Magus Killer and a Townie. That's only a title though, you can't kill any mages right now. Gameplay limitations and all that...

Active Skills:
-Once during the game, you may keep Watch on a player, allowing you to see who targets them on that Night, but not what actions were performed. [Watch:User]
-Once during the game, you may redirect an user's actions during Night towards another. [Redirect:UserX to UserY]

Passive Skills:
-You cannot be protected by others during Night.

That's Fate/Grand Order 2, no WinCon at all, just "you're Town"

Alignment: Town

HI YOU'RE DAISY! You are the princess of Sarassaland and quite gifted in sports, you show a lot of attitude and you are always really cheerful.

+Every night you can send a special flower to someone. This flower will enable whoever you target, meaning the action of that user will hit his target no matter what.

-There are some skills that can still outprioritize your enabling ability.

+You are a pretty strong girl, so you have a one time protection from getting lynched.

+You come up as clean during an alignment check.

That's from Mario Mafia, just "Town" once again

Maleficent

Type of Media: Films and Television

You are Maleficent. You are one of Disney’s most iconic villains. Like for real, you’re uber popular. You’re the most popular part of your movie by far. Due to your popularity, our opinions carry a lot of weight. Of course, popularity isn’t enough sometimes.


Primary Power: Due to your immense popularity, your standard vote is worth two votes.

Secondary Power: Once per night, you can steal someone’s vote for the next day. You will be able to use this extra vote however you like. You can give it to yourself to make your vote worth three votes or you can give it to someone else to make their vote worth one more vote. Be warned though, this extra vote will disappear at the end of the day, so you can’t stockpile them.

You are a villain and win when all threats to the villains are gone.

This is from Villains mafia where Baddies are Townies, this is like FEH 2 where it says "you're Town and you win when all threats are gone".

I could go further but I don't recall any NZone Role PM stating the wincon like the Role PMs here.

 

[BarDulL]

The difference between Shiny's claim and Spak's claim is huge, Pokechu

Shiny claimed unprovoked and just out of nowhere, whereas Spak had a rhyme and a reason to his claim and was trying to change the direction of the lynch with it. The claims were not the same contextually, not even close.

#HBC | Red Ryu I'm leaning towards Stoopid before Golden, hoping Golden is replaced, but want to try bring out a bit more information.

Also regarding Red Ryu's interpretation of Ura's post, I think it's null because my knee-jerk reaction was also that Ura was claiming some weird 3rd party role that won with Town. Ura's phrasing was unorthodox.

 

[Ura]

Currently re-reading the posts from this Day phase.

One observation I made from reading this is that we need to make connections fast. Putting two and two together is going to be crucial if we're going to hunt down Mafia,

Still have more to read.

 

[Ura]

I'll say this though, Ura you owe a sincere apology to shishoe and pokechu for the very manner of behavior you have conducted there, it was painful to read through. For now focus on the game but afterwards you better be ernest for your disrespectful temper.

Already did. Was not in a good place when I made those remarks.

 

[Pokechu]

The difference between Shiny's claim and Spak's claim is huge, Pokechu Pokechu

Shiny claimed unprovoked and just out of nowhere, whereas Spak had a rhyme and a reason to his claim and was trying to change the direction of the lynch with it. The claims were not the same contextually, not even close.

Oh, okay, that makes sense!

Yeah, the context was different, but the end result was the same, the PR died. I think that's why Opo was hesitant to believe the lie detecting, because I too would've expected them to stay silent because town just lost their strongest PR.

 

[Ura]

Okay just got caught up on everything. Will make another TL:DR post sometime tonight only this time I'm going to try and link some users together. Nothing definitive but at least something to get us rolling.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh, okay, that makes sense!

Yeah, the context was different, but the end result was the same, the PR died. I think that's why Opo was hesitant to believe the lie detecting, because I too would've expected them to stay silent because town just lost their strongest PR.

Opossum saying that it was unbelievable for Spak to claim after reprimanding Shiny on D1 is unfair, even if it is pretty silly that we had two PRs claim.

Anyway, I don't think it's "opportunistic" to jump on Opo when Opo was being identified as something other than his original claim. My only qualm with the gambit is that Shish didn't really wait for more votes, but I don't think he's scum for it.

 

[BarDulL]

Pokechu I haven't really talked to you this game aside from now. Do you have opinions on Stoopid, Moydow, and LoneKon? Would you prefer ShadowTheHedgehog before Stoopid?

 

[Deleted member]

@Shishœ I thought it was fine, but once you changed your vote elsewhere it was clear that something was amiss. I would've ended the gambit upon changing directions (and possibly waited for more votes), but it's whatever.

Unvote

Opossum's reaction seems fine. I agree that things were really convenient for Ura to openly ask for a lie detector and for Spak to come to his aid. I've also seen games where Mafia relied heavily on the claim of another player (Mario mafia comes to mind, with vaan and Swamp). I guess I'm a little biased because I know Spak would never do this unless it was a LyLo situation.

The Stoopid Unikorn outside of Opossum, anyone you think is scum? Who's Town?

I was considering ending the Day with it still being a Thing™ to try to soak up the kill toNight but you asking about it and the oossibility of a wagon on Opo actually started made me rethink it, especially since everyone was already questioning my thought process. I simply thought I would have done more harm than good by going through with it any longer.

Yeah, I'm going to put down my vote against Uni too, and the interaction between Opo and Shish make me feel like town lean

Vote: The Stoopid Unikorn



You dare say this on an FE themed mafia. Surely you've never missed a 93% or gotten killed by a 2% enemy crit right?

Hey, maybe this is my lucky 1% crit, Joshua ain't my fave for no reason, you gotta trust Lady Luck.

@Shishœ

How do you feel about Barney's vote here?

I think it's a little opportunistic, Barney points out how Opo is comparing the Shiny situation to Spak, but in reality they're not different. I still don't believe that Ura was worth our lie detector coming out, esp. after they got hostkilled for it, it would've been better for Spak to stay quiet imo. Yes, if Spak stayed silent then Ura would've died, but despite Spak outing himself Ura was the lynch anyways. It didn't help one bit, now we're out of a doc protection and a cop check.

Not only that, but Barney flames Opo for asking for tangible proof that Spak's a lie detector, and calls it "undermining" to get Ura killed, but in reality, it isn't. A lie detector. In a Vanilla Mafia game. Not only that, but a Day lie detector. And not only that, but a Day lie detector who gets results instantly. Opo wasn't the only one hesitant to believe it was a fakeclaim, I know that you and I were suspicious of it too. I don't even think Opo was trying to get Ura killed, I'll have to reread the thread but I think he was more suspicious of Spak for his claim, just like my stance yesterDay.

Eh, Barney is on a weird spot in my list thag he's really on the fence but you're in a similar position with each passing minute lol

oh

I didn't think I still had that post of Shish's quoted, my bad Shish!

I thought I put my response to it in my post, guess not.

I wouldn't read Opo vehemently refusing he was VT a town read, your reasoning was that it'd be too risky for a mafia to deny and Investigative they know should be true but that's exactly what Opo did last game, he got cop checked, was mafia, and denied it and fakeclaimed Cop.

I just thought to point that out and see if you had any thoughts about it, since it makes Opo still a null read for me.

He didn't just deny it, he directly tried to incriminate FE. I believe Scum!Opo would have believed my result and either: "I'm actually a power role, thanks for outing me Shish" or "Shish is lying, lynch him". Instead he denied it without trying to incriminate me and I don't think that's something he could do so naturally.
Besides, he cooks his own pasta.

That's Fate/Grand Order 2, no WinCon at all, just "you're Town"

In my defense, I was just lazy.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

Already did. Was not in a good place when I made those remarks.

A 10 second aside does not justify an hour long hair tantrum.

For now ignore it, but when this game is over if you have any form of decency you will issue a sincere apology to the two you mistreated.

Now back to the game.