FINISHED (yeah?)

[Dabuz]

uh, richbrown is the best ATM TBH

and snake vs oli can be either 55-45 or 50-50

the main reason for that is, olimar HAS TO APPROACH TO KILL SNAKE WHILE SNAKE DOESN'T NEED TO APPROACH TO SET UP OLIMAR FOR A KILL, also, if snake gets olimar pressured like near an edge or something (which isn't as hard as most snakes say) olimar just just an easy 60% if that stock isn't just gone at all


olimar beats him out in every other way but those two factors are what makes this matchup pretty even, and snake has reliable enough ways to get through olimar's amazing camp game

 

[SamuraiPanda]

uh, richbrown is the best ATM TBH

and snake vs oli can be either 55-45 or 50-50

the main reason for that is, olimar HAS TO APPROACH TO KILL SNAKE WHILE SNAKE DOESN'T NEED TO APPROACH TO SET UP OLIMAR FOR A KILL, also, if snake gets olimar pressured like near an edge or something (which isn't as hard as most snakes say) olimar just just an easy 60% if that stock isn't just gone at all


olimar beats him out in every other way but those two factors are what makes this matchup pretty even, and snake has reliable enough ways to get through olimar's amazing camp game

<3 Dabuz

 

[Benny The Jet Rodriguez]

uh, richbrown is the best ATM TBH

and snake vs oli can be either 55-45 or 50-50

the main reason for that is, olimar HAS TO APPROACH TO KILL SNAKE WHILE SNAKE DOESN'T NEED TO APPROACH TO SET UP OLIMAR FOR A KILL, also, if snake gets olimar pressured like near an edge or something (which isn't as hard as most snakes say) olimar just just an easy 60% if that stock isn't just gone at all


olimar beats him out in every other way but those two factors are what makes this matchup pretty even, and snake has reliable enough ways to get through olimar's amazing camp game

this so much, snake wins but barely, matchup is mad gay, almost as much so as MK v olimar, and people ask me why I stopped playing olimar/this game

 

[Coffee™]

This looks interesting

Snake's number is on the right.

Meta Knight 45-55
Snake - 55:45 Port 4 stuff
Wario - 50:50 -
Falco - 55:45
Diddy Kong - 55-45
King Dedede - 45:55
Marth - 60:40
Mr. Game & Watch - 60:40
Pikachu - 50:50
Olimar - 40-60
Ice Climbers - 60:40
R.O.B. - 60:40
Kirby - 60:40
Lucario - 55:45
Zero Suit Samus - 60:40
Toon Link - 60:40
Pit - 45:55 - Might be 50:50 but for the moment I think Pit wins slightly
Donkey Kong - 45:55
Peach - 60:40
Luigi - 60:40
Fox - 50:50
Wolf - 60:40
Sonic - 60:40
Sheik - 60:40
Bowser - 60:40
Zelda - 65:35
Squirtle - 60:40
Ivysaur - 60:40
Charizard - 60:40
Ike - 55:45
Lucas - 60:40
Mario - 60:40
Ness - 60:40
Yoshi - 60:40
Samus - 60:40
Jigglypuff - 65:35
Captain Falcon - 60:40
Link - 55:45
Ganondorf - 70:30

 

[Bizmal]

Okay I just have a few these are match-ups that I play all the time (I'm not quite metagame but I'm not to shabby)

Falco-60:40 falco (I don't know how to get out of the stupid CG I can save myself like 20% of the time and pull a nade like 5, it's like 40% anyways.)
Wario-55:45 Wario (It is super hard to avoid fart when you have like the most predictable recovery in the game...)
R.O.B-57:43 R.O.B. (his Uair does some 19% and he is IMO one of the best jugglers in the game...)
Zss-50:50.
DK 50:50

 

[etecoon]

I don't see how pit beats snake, I have an easier time facing pit with snake than with meta knight, and I can't say that about many characters. I'm curious as to why you think that?

 

[Underload]

Snake's nades are better projectiles overall, but when it comes to pure camping, Pit's arrows take the cake. Pit can potentially outcamp Snake if this holds true.

 

[Sinz]

I don't see how pit beats snake, I have an easier time facing pit with snake than with meta knight, and I can't say that about many characters. I'm curious as to why you think that?

FD vs a good pit is so gay. I always ban that stage if they play pit. It is so gay.

 

[Shady Penguin]

Meta Knight 55:45 MK
Snake - 50:50
Wario - 55:45 Wario
Falco - 50:50
Diddy Kong - 50;50
King Dedede - 55:45 DDD
Marth - 55:45 Snake
Mr. Game & Watch - 60:40 Snake
Pikachu - 55:45 Pikachu
Olimar - 60:40 Olimar
Ice Climbers - 60:40 Snake
R.O.B. - 55:45 ROB
Kirby - 60:40 Snake
Lucario - 55:45 Snake
Zero Suit Samus - 50:50
Toon Link - 55:45 Snake
Pit - 55:45 Snake
Donkey Kong - 50:50
Peach - 60:40 Snake
Luigi - 55:45 Snake
Fox - 50:50
Wolf - 60:40 Snake
Sonic - 55:45 Snake
Sheik - 60:40 Snake
Bowser - 60:40 Snake
Zelda - 60:40 Snake
Squirtle - 60:40 Snake
Ivysaur - 65:35 Snake
Charizard - 60:40 Snake
Ike - 60:40 Snake
Lucas - 55:45 Snake
Mario - 60:40 Snake
Ness - 60:40 Snake
Yoshi - 60:40 Snake
Samus - 60:40 Snake
Jigglypuff - 65:35 Snake
Captain Falcon - 55:45 Snake
Link - 55:45 Snake
Ganondorf - 60:40 Snake

 

[mountain_tiger]

65:35 Snake for Snake vs Peach.

40:60 ZSS for Snake vs ZSS.

That is all.

 

[Ken Neth]

Meta Knight 55-45 MK
Snake - 50:50
Wario - 50:50
Falco - 55:45 Snake
Diddy Kong - 55:45 Snake
King Dedede - 45:55 DDD
Marth - 50:50 Snake
Mr. Game & Watch - 60:40 Snake
Pikachu - 55:45 Snake
Olimar - 60:40 Olimar
Ice Climbers - 60:40 Snake
R.O.B. - 45:55 ROB
Kirby - 60:40 Snake
Lucario - 55:45 Snake
Zero Suit Samus - 45:55 ZSS
Toon Link - 60:40 Snake
Pit - 45:55 Pit
Donkey Kong - 55:45 Snake
Peach - 60:40 Snake
Luigi - 60:40 Snake
Fox - 50:50
Wolf - 60:40 Snake
Sonic - 60:40 Snake (Trust me, I know this matchup better than anyone >_>)
Sheik - 60:40 Snake
Bowser - 60:40 Snake
Zelda - 65:35 Snake
Squirtle - 55:45 Snake
Ivysaur - 60:40 Snake
Charizard - 60:40 Snake
Ike - 55:45 Snake
Lucas - 60:40 Snake
Mario - 60:40 Snake
Ness - 60:40 Snake
Yoshi - 55:45 Snake
Samus - 60:40 Snake
Jigglypuff - 65:35 Snake
Captain Falcon - 55:45 Snake ('Tis true)
Link - 55:45 Snake
Ganondorf - 55:45 Snake

 

[MJG]

Pretty good match up ratios. IMO, the toonlink match is more stage depedant than anything. I also believe that toonlink ca out camp snake if he stays at mid range. Questions? Comments? Concerns? I also believe this match to be 55:45 snake instead of even or 60:40.Also, something to help you snake mains. At low percentages when toonlink is able to grab snake and do his down throw, snake can use his bair and only receive 7% from the throw versus 30-45% from a bair chain.

 

[Panix]

Meta Knight 55:45 MK
Snake - 50:50
Wario - 50:50
Falco - 50:50
Diddy Kong - 50;50
King Dedede - 55:45 DDD
Marth - 60:40 Snake
Mr. Game & Watch - 65:35 Snake
Pikachu - 55:45 Pikachu
Olimar - 60:40 Olimar
Ice Climbers - 70:30 Snake
R.O.B. - 55:45 ROB
Kirby - 65:35 Snake
Lucario - 55:45 Snake
Zero Suit Samus - 50:50
Toon Link - 55:45 Snake
Pit - 55:45 Snake
Donkey Kong - 55:45 Snake
Peach - 60:40 Snake
Luigi - 55:45 Snake
Fox - 55:45 Snake
Wolf - 60:40 Snake
Sonic - 55:45 Snake
Sheik - 60:40 Snake
Bowser - 60:40 Snake
Zelda - 60:40 Snake
Squirtle - 60:40 Snake
Ivysaur - 65:35 Snake
Charizard - 60:40 Snake
Ike - 60:40 Snake
Lucas - 55:45 Snake
Mario - 60:40 Snake
Ness - 60:40 Snake
Yoshi - 60:40 Snake
Samus - 60:40 Snake
Jigglypuff - 65:35 Snake
Captain Falcon - 55:45 Snake
Link - 55:45 Snake
Ganondorf - 60:40 Snake

Sounds bout rite

 

[SuSa]

Still waiting on a few players before I take averages.

 

[Attila_]

FD vs a good pit is so gay. I always ban that stage if they play pit. It is so gay.

good pit on rc is waaaaay more gay...

on fd, approach slowly with utilt/ftilt to block arrows, even sh airdodges, and pressure him onto the side. you **** him up close.

 

[Coffee™]

good pit on rc is waaaaay more gay...

on fd, approach slowly with utilt/ftilt to block arrows, even sh airdodges, and pressure him onto the side. you **** him up close.

Japes is worse than either FC or RC and simply shielding is better for blocking them than using Utilt or Ftilt. Snake doesn't really **** him up close but it's definitely his advantage there.

 

[Sinz]

Meta Knight 55:45 MK
Snake - 50:50
Wario - 55:45 Wario
Falco - 50:50
Diddy Kong - 50;50
King Dedede - 55:45 DDD
Marth - 60:40 Snake
Mr. Game & Watch - 65:35 Snake
Pikachu - 55:45 Pikachu
Olimar - 55:45 Olimar
Ice Climbers - 70:30 Snake
R.O.B. - 55:45 ROB
Kirby - 60:40 Snake
Lucario - 55:45 Snake
Zero Suit Samus - 50:50
Toon Link - 55:45 Snake
Pit - 55:45 Snake
Donkey Kong - 50:50
Peach - 60:40 Snake
Luigi - 55:45 Snake
Fox - 55:45 Snake
Wolf - 60:40 Snake
Sonic - 55:45 Snake
Sheik - 55:45 Snake
Bowser - 60:40 Snake
Zelda - 60:40 Snake
Squirtle - 55:45 Snake
Ivysaur - 65:35 Snake
Charizard - 65:35 Snake
Ike - 60:40 Snake
Lucas - 60:40 Snake
Mario - 60:40 Snake
Ness - 60:40 Snake
Yoshi - 60:40 Snake
Samus - 65:35 Snake
Jigglypuff - 65:35 Snake
Captain Falcon - 55:45 Snake
Link - 55:45 Snake
Ganondorf - 60:40 Snake

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Still waiting on a few players before I take averages.

Meta Knight 55:45 MK
Snake - 50:50
Wario - 55:45 Wario
Falco - 50:50
Diddy Kong - 50;50
King Dedede - 55:45 DDD
Marth - 60:40 Snake
Mr. Game & Watch - 65:35 Snake
Pikachu - 55:45 Pikachu
Olimar - 55:45 Olimar
Ice Climbers - 70:30 Snake
R.O.B. - 55:45 ROB
Kirby - 60:40 Snake
Lucario - 55:45 Snake
Zero Suit Samus - 50:50
Toon Link - 55:45 Snake
Pit - 55:45 Snake
Donkey Kong - 50:50
Peach - 60:40 Snake
Luigi - 55:45 Snake
Fox - 55:45 Snake
Wolf - 60:40 Snake
Sonic - 55:45 Snake
Sheik - 55:45 Snake
Bowser - 60:40 Snake
Zelda - 60:40 Snake
Squirtle - 55:45 Snake
Ivysaur - 65:35 Snake
Charizard - 65:35 Snake
Ike - 60:40 Snake
Lucas - 60:40 Snake
Mario - 60:40 Snake
Ness - 60:40 Snake
Yoshi - 60:40 Snake
Samus - 65:35 Snake
Jigglypuff - 65:35 Snake
Captain Falcon - 55:45 Snake
Link - 55:45 Snake
Ganondorf - 60:40 Snake

Ok SuSa, you have to wait no longer, Sinz has posted

I wonder if in time people will believe that Snake has no bad match-ups just like MK.

 

[SuSa]

Candy already believes that.

I'm waiting to see if Candy/Afro/Razer/RATED/NeverShootMe and a few others are going to post... Kind of doubt it. :/

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

The more people think he has a counter, the less likely the MK syndrome will effect him.

 

[deepseadiva]

I was beating that camping game. Friendlies can only tell you so much, and aren't a great indicator of individual player skill, but they give insight into matchups.

You have it backwards.

Friendlies give negligible insight into individual player skill, but they're even more worthless when looking into match-ups. "Friendly" camping is going to be massively less concentrated compared to "tournament" camping. People just aren't willing to do it when their main goal is to have fun.

There are certain match-ups that can be investigated within friendlies, but match-ups that revolve around "unfriendly" tactics such as planking and camping need to be researched in a much more serious setting. Anything otherwise is a diluted understanding.

Also Snake v Peach is 60:60.

 

[SuSa]

60:60?

Everyone agreed on 60:40 =p

It also seems many people just left what I had. <_< >_>

/gives this 2 more days

 

[deepseadiva]

Everyone agreed on 60:40

You're all fools.

 

[mountain_tiger]

I still think it's 65:35 for you guys with Snake vs Peach, though 60:40 isn't that big a difference, so I guess I agree.

 

[Ken Neth]

SuSa, there are matchups where I had so little experience that I trusted your number better than my own XD

But most of what I had I agree with, and actually know why I agree with it.

 

[Underload]

60:40 Snake vs. Peach

100:0 Underload vs. Meno

 

[IxxI]

I should do mine.

Meta Knight 55:45 MK
Snake - 55:45 Port 4
Wario - 55:45 Snake
Falco - 55:45 Snake.
Diddy Kong - 55:45 Snake
King Dedede - 50:50 (Match-up is VERY stage dependent IMO.)
Marth - 55:45 Snake
Mr. Game & Watch - 60:40 Snake
Pikachu - 55:45 Snake
Olimar - 60:40 Olimar
Ice Climbers - 65:35 Snake
R.O.B. - 55:45 Snake
Kirby - 60:40 Snake
Lucario - 55:45 Snake
Zero Suit Samus - 55:45
Toon Link - 60:40 Snake
Pit - 55:45 Snake
Donkey Kong - 50:50
Peach - 60:40 Snake
Luigi - 60:40 Snake
Fox - 55:45 Snake
Wolf - 60:40 Snake
Sonic - 55:45 Snake
Sheik - 60:40 Snake
Bowser - 60:40 Snake
Zelda - 65:35 Snake
Squirtle - 55:45 Snake
Ivysaur - 60:40 Snake
Charizard - 60:40 Snake
Ike - 55:45 Snake
Lucas - 60:40 Snake
Mario - 60:40 Snake
Ness - 60:40 Snake
Yoshi - 55:45 Snake
Samus - 60:40 Snake
Jigglypuff - 65:35 Snake
Captain Falcon - 55:45 Snake
Link - 55:45 Snake
Ganondorf - 55:45 Snake

Why do we **** so bad?

 

[DZhou]

Meta Knight - 45:55 MK
Snake – 50:50 Even
Wario - 55:45 Snake
Falco - 55:45 Snake
Diddy Kong - 55:45 Snake
King Dedede - 45:55 DDD
Marth - 60:40 Snake
Mr. Game & Watch - 65:35 Snake
Pikachu - 55:45 Snake
Olimar - 50:50 Even
Ice Climbers - 60:40 Snake
R.O.B. - 55:45 Snake
Kirby - 60:40 Snake
Lucario - 60:40 Snake
Zero Suit Samus - 55:45 Snake
Toon Link - 60:40 Snake
Pit - 55:45 Snake
Donkey Kong - 55:45 Snake
Peach - 60:40 Snake (Very little exp in the MU)
Luigi - 60:40 Snake
Fox - 55:45 Snake
Wolf - 60:40 Snake
Sonic - 60:40 Snake
Sheik - 60:40 Snake
Bowser - 60:40 Snake
Zelda - 70:30 Snake
Squirtle - 60:40 Snake
Ivysaur - 60:40 Snake
Charizard - 55:45 Snake
Ike - 55:45 Snake
Lucas - 60:40 Snake
Mario - 65:35 Snake
Ness - 60:40 Snake
Yoshi - 55:45 Snake
Samus - 60:40 Snake
Jigglypuff - 65:35 Snake
Captain Falcon - 60:40 Snake
Link - 60:40 Snake
Ganondorf - 75:25 Snake (Ganon boards think it’s 90:10 lulz)

Also, PT because he is on the chart: 60:40

 

[deepseadiva]

100:0 Underload vs. Meno

lol

Read my first sentence at the top of this page.

 

[Zajice]

Snake 60:40s the entire roster apparently.

And the entire roster thinks they 60:60 Snake.



Zajice vs Meno 80:20 according to my Wii. You have 10 games, and lost 8.

 

[TwentyTwo]

Meta Knight 50:50
Snake - 51:49 Port 4
Wario - 50:50 Even
Falco - 55:45 Snake
Diddy Kong - 50:50 Even
King Dedede - 45:55 King Dedede
Marth - 55:45 Snake
Mr. Game & Watch - 60:40 Snake
Pikachu - 55:45 Snake
Olimar - 45:55 Olimar
Ice Climbers - 60:40 Snake
R.O.B. - 55:45 Snake
Kirby - 55:45 Snake
Lucario - 55:45 Snake
Zero Suit Samus - 50:50 Even
Toon Link - 55:45 Snake
Pit - 55:45 Snake
Donkey Kong - 50:50 Even
Peach - 60:40 Snake
Luigi - 55:45 Snake
Fox - 55:45 Snake
Wolf - 60:40 Snake
Sonic - 60:40 Snake
Sheik - 60:40 Snake
Bowser - 55:45 Snake
Zelda - 65:35 Snake
Squirtle - 55:45 Snake
Ivysaur - 65:35 Snake
Charizard - 55:45 Snake
Ike - 55:45 Snake
Lucas - 60:40 Snake
Mario - 60:40 Snake
Ness - 60:40 Snake
Yoshi - 55:45 Snake
Samus - 60:40 Snake
Jigglypuff - 65:35 Snake
Captain Falcon - 55:45 Snake
Link - 60:40 Snake
Ganondorf - 60:40 Snake

I play against marth, kirby, D3, ROB, Falco, Snake, MK, Lucario, and Pika enough to believe those ratios the most. And mostly limited experience in others, that I think are still pretty accurate though.

edit: lol, thanks for catching that Serin

 

[o-Serin-o]

Twenty Two didn't he say no weird matchup numbers? And besides that, you had Diddy as 50:60 Snake

 

[Underload]

lol

Read my first sentence at the top of this page.

I got ***** I must admit.

Meno, you're a sly dog.

 

[napZzz]

I don't see how pit beats snake, I have an easier time facing pit with snake than with meta knight, and I can't say that about many characters. I'm curious as to why you think that?

play a pit who can camp well.

good pit on rc is waaaaay more gay...

on fd, approach slowly with utilt/ftilt to block arrows, even sh airdodges, and pressure him onto the side. you **** him up close.

the close up game vs. pit isn't even that great, pit can fight well back perfectly well

Snake 60:40s the entire roster apparently.

And the entire roster thinks they 60:60 Snake.



Zajice vs Meno 80:20 according to my Wii. You have 10 games, and lost 8.

snakes matchups are more towards even as the metagame goes on it seems but he's definitely not as bad as like, marth. Marth has like, 2 bad matchups and then beats everything else bad

 

[Browny]

Hmmm Im hesistant to put my votes here :/ I have been using snake in tournaments since september last year, almost exclusively in doubles and usually pull him out 2-3 times in singles tourneys. I just think some of these numbers are extremely conservative and not really reflective of the idea '100 matches, snake will win X, enemy wins Y'

I cant bring myself to believe that Snake has such a large amount of 55:45's and 60:40 vs such a large poriton of the cast, while dominating the hell out of tournaments (relative to everyone else, not MK) I mean take a look at these numbers (this thing is official afaik)
http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/File:Allcharactermatchupschart.PNG
I think Snake is beyond many of melees top chars in terms of dominance and his MU ratios should have similar traits, as such I get the feeling my numbers will just be met with ridicule.

 

[SuSa]

I updated the OP

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Wario is supposed to be 50-50 according to the numbers posted on the OP, but the 55-45 is highlighted.

 

[napZzz]

The final outcome of this list is very solid. This was a good idea, and lol at poor peach and ness. The **** decision was so unanimous

 

[SuSa]

Wario is supposed to be 50-50 according to the numbers posted on the OP, but the 55-45 is highlighted.

That my friend, is what we call human error. Thanks for the correction.

The final outcome of this list is very solid. This was a good idea, and lol at poor peach and ness. The **** decision was so unanimous

Poor Peach/Ness. lol....

 

[GemN]

Mine.

Meta Knight 55:45 MK
Snake - 55:45 Port 4
Wario - 55:45 Snake
Falco - 60:40 Snake. I would put a weird number. I use to main falco and snake's were a ***** to kill.
Diddy Kong - 55:45 Snake
King Dedede - 55:45 DDD. Stage dependant somewhat.
Marth - 55:45 Snake
Mr. Game & Watch - 60:40 Snake
Pikachu - 50:50 Snake. Pikachu is underrated. Even as good as he is already.
Olimar - 60:40 Olimar
Ice Climbers - 60:40 Snake. IC are easy to keep off, but even a slight mistake and that can cost you a life...
R.O.B. - 55:45 Snake
Kirby - 60:40 Snake
Lucario - 55:45 Snake
Zero Suit Samus - 55:45
Toon Link - 60:40 Snake
Pit - 60:40 Snake
Donkey Kong - 50:50
Peach - 60:40 Snake
Luigi - 60:40 Snake
Fox - 55:45 Snake
Wolf - 60:40 Snake
Sonic - 55:45 Snake
Sheik - 60:40 Snake
Bowser - 65:35 Snake
Zelda - 65:35 Snake
Squirtle - 55:45 Snake
Ivysaur - 60:40 Snake
Charizard - 60:40 Snake
Ike - 55:45 Snake
Lucas - 60:40 Snake
Mario - 60:40 Snake
Ness - 60:40 Snake
Yoshi - 55:45 Snake
Samus - 55:45 Snake. Little xp, but used to main samus as well...
Jigglypuff - 65:35 Snake
Captain Falcon - 60:40 Snake
Link - 55:45 Snake
Ganondorf - 60:40 Snake

Raaaaape.

Edit: Lolololol. This ended while I was making mine...