Lol, if you're so set on making it useless.
Vote Legolas
PLEASE die.
Vote Legolas
PLEASE die.
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Final Fantasy Tactics Mafia: Game finally over! Raziek lynched, Town wins! Lego too!
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All the results we've gotten from NAs, claims and role speculation have been pretty anti-town in my book. We've had a watcher claim whose alignment remains questionable and who led to two other claims that have not proven useful either. We also have no idea on how trustworthy claims or NA results are in general.
The best thing we could get from it is a Lego scumflip based on his last posts.
The best thing we could get from it is a Lego scumflip based on his last posts.
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Smash Cadet
You're dodging my question entirely while implying things totally wrong.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Legolas: Hey scum, don't bother trying to roleblock Gova.
Scum: Thanks, bro! The more we know! Trademarked.
And the entire point was to prevent the conversation from happening, not gaining anything out of it. If you see something anti-town happening you try to stop it not let it continue but basically you just fast tracked to the end result of what otherwise was going to be an anti-town conversation to begin with.
Scum: Thanks, bro! The more we know! Trademarked.
And the entire point was to prevent the conversation from happening, not gaining anything out of it. If you see something anti-town happening you try to stop it not let it continue but basically you just fast tracked to the end result of what otherwise was going to be an anti-town conversation to begin with.
You don't see what's anti-town about outing Glife's class [something that a less attentive player would likely have missed] and taking away all chances of Gova vs Glyph going anywhere?
You take the potential of gaining anything out of the confrontation by supplying answers for the man in question.
You point out things that may or may not be common knowledge to scum. I actually hadn't noticed it.
You also sit there and make the most abysmally bad case I've ever seen against GLife. It's full of places where you take his posts out of context. And this is "what had been bothering you about him all along." This means that you lied about already knowing it because the ONLY way that case could have happened was if you went through his posts in isolation with the forgone conclusion that a case was forthcoming.
Please burn forever.
You point out things that may or may not be common knowledge to scum. I actually hadn't noticed it.
You also sit there and make the most abysmally bad case I've ever seen against GLife. It's full of places where you take his posts out of context. And this is "what had been bothering you about him all along." This means that you lied about already knowing it because the ONLY way that case could have happened was if you went through his posts in isolation with the forgone conclusion that a case was forthcoming.
Please burn forever.
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Smash Cadet
This is the point. Where the **** would it go besides a conversation based on night actions? That was the point to begin with and exactly the way it was replied to.
Please tell me what you could possibly hope to gain from a conversation like that?
My point exactly, I skipped the anti-town conversation.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
No you didn't, you skipped to the end. Basically I was trying to avoid what YOU JUST DID. HURR DURR.
You kept your input minimized, dodged discussion under the pretext of having to talk with your hydra partner some more, yet were never able to make a coherent case that you found yourself able to stick to. This all really lines up with you offing the whole Gova vs Glife exchange - cutting down discussion on all ends.
And now you're trying to chalk it up to a pro-town action. Something it is not.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Wait, I read that wrong. Yes you skipped to the end but I WAS TRYING TO AVOID THAT FROM HAPPENING. Hurr Durr.
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Smash Cadet
What did you want to get out of this confrontation based on ****ing night actions?
Besides, yes, my case on Glyph was weak, but it was advancing discussion and provided information to be used. Eventually I recognized it wasn't going anywhere, which is why I took a step back and decided to watch how he did. What is "what been bothering me about him all along"? I don't know what you're referencing?
The point was that you provided Gova the answer on a ****ing silver platter, even though I clearly baited the whole RB point in my previous posts and you straight up rip it apart in your next response.
Contradiction.
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Smash Cadet
I don't see the ****ing contradiction. It's what I'm claiming all along, a discussion based around night actions is useless. Sorry that I didn't see you baiting anything. Urgh.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
No, he's saying that they could have potentially caught me in a contradiction aka it would probably mean that I was scum.
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Smash Cadet
i dont even see how ive been doing this all... Like... Urgyou kept your input minimized, dodged discussion under the pretext of having to talk with your hydra partner some more, yet were never able to make a coherent case that you found yourself able to stick to. This all really lines up with you offing the whole gova vs glife exchange - cutting down discussion on all ends.
A ****ing slip? Somewhere he says something that contradicts previously stated info or contradicts how he's played. If he's town, he plays it by the book. If he's scum, he either plays it by the book and it leads nowhere or he ****s up and we nail him. There's potential there and it's a town favored scenario. Whereas all you did was bring that potential to an end and out role information.
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Smash Cadet
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Well this was goofy.
Gonna have to agree that this Night Action cluster**** isn't getting us much of anywhere.
*sigh* Going to do a major re-read tomorrow.
Gonna have to agree that this Night Action cluster**** isn't getting us much of anywhere.
*sigh* Going to do a major re-read tomorrow.
There wasn't a contradiction but there could've been one and that's the whole point. Had you shut up about Glife being immune to roleblocking [something I assumed Gova to not realize at that point] we could've found out whether Gova was being real about what he claimed toDay or not.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
I think you have our names mixed up Gheb.
That's what it's supposed to be like.There wasn't a contradiction but there could've been one and that's the whole point. Had you shut up about Gova being immune to roleblocking [something I assumed Glife to not realize at that point] we could've found out whether Gova was being real about what he claimed toDay or not.
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Smash Cadet
Well, my PoV when pointing it out was that night action based conversation wouldn't get us anywhere, that combined with how I saw Ryker voting Gova and the whole situation, I thought it was the best course of action to quit the conversation as soon as possible to make room for more relevant and productive things.
And that's how I saw it and what I defended. I see how it wasn't good though, due to Ryker and your (Gheb's) explanations. Urgh. Don't really know where to go from here, pretty darn lost in both scum radar and where to go now. :/
And that's how I saw it and what I defended. I see how it wasn't good though, due to Ryker and your (Gheb's) explanations. Urgh. Don't really know where to go from here, pretty darn lost in both scum radar and where to go now. :/
You can start by responding to this
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Smash Cadet
It was mainly his lack of stances. His lack of scumhunting was exaggerated at points. He has made efforts on d1 towards Nich with that dumb gambit (which did lack results) and towards Kantrip which was more legit.
I mean, I realized it wasn't going anywhere and wasn't strong, which is why I backed off eventually :/
I'll get to why Lego dies toDay later on tonight. Been putting off housework for Blazblue. Let me do it and I'll get back to this.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
???? If you think I am scum, wouldn't you be glad that Ryker was voting for me? Also, didn't you think I was scum in general? Wouldn't you want the pressure Glyph was giving me to continue???
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**** my ***.
Well there goes everything I had ever dreamed of
Well there goes everything I had ever dreamed of
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Can you explain what your intent with that was, Glyph?
Were you telling the truth or was that, yet again, a gambit?
Were you telling the truth or was that, yet again, a gambit?
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Good news everyone! I found a fitting reaction picture for Legolas.
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Sang I am sorry for calling you a guy.
please forgive me.
please forgive me.
Kantrip
Kantplay
Really sorry for my inactivity recently. School kicked me in the testicles this week and I've only had my iPod for mobile posting. I'm going to catch up and then probably read over some things to find more solid scum picks.
Kantrip
Kantplay
Okay so with that little mess, Glyph was entirely serious and Legolas wrongly pointed out something that Glyph legitimately didn't realize.
It looks to me like both 'dun goofed. What is the scum intent of saying out loud that Gova likely has the chemist restriction? If Legolas was scum would he not just say that to his scummates in private? Seems like just a town **** up, if you ask me. I dunno, maybe being one of the few people to think I'm town is messing with me, but I don't see scum intent in Legolas' actions.
Meanwhile my two strongest town reads are ****ting all over him. Huh. I'll await Ryker's case.
Now time to reread.
It looks to me like both 'dun goofed. What is the scum intent of saying out loud that Gova likely has the chemist restriction? If Legolas was scum would he not just say that to his scummates in private? Seems like just a town **** up, if you ask me. I dunno, maybe being one of the few people to think I'm town is messing with me, but I don't see scum intent in Legolas' actions.
Meanwhile my two strongest town reads are ****ting all over him. Huh. I'll await Ryker's case.
Now time to reread.
Kantrip
Kantplay
Sorry not restriction, but level 1 ability.
Also I realized due to the existence of the calculator class, we should be jotting down what everyone's post number is at every Night phase. That way we can decipher who may or may not have been roleblocked by a calculator.
Also I realized due to the existence of the calculator class, we should be jotting down what everyone's post number is at every Night phase. That way we can decipher who may or may not have been roleblocked by a calculator.
Yeah. Kantrip/Xonar I can definitely see.
Kantrip
Kantplay
Let me guess Ryker: You're reading really shallow and you see Legolas and I having townreads on each other as a connection case.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Do you think a player as experienced as Xonar/Sworddancer would really out someone's role for no reason? And you might think he had a reason but there really isn't. I should have been the one to claim that; not him claiming for me. Even barring that, how do you know he just didn't pretend to screw up? While I can understand not thinking he's scum for this, there's no reason you should be considering him town for it.
Kantrip
Kantplay
No of course not. I'm calling it a **** up for a reason. However, it has neither town nor scum intent. It was an anti-town move that helps scum, sure. But if he is scum then he could have just said in the QT "Guys Gova has the chemist lvl 1". The fact that he said it in-thread is a **** up no matter what alignment he is.
He's seemed town-ish to me for other things.
However, reading over a bit I do agree that the amount of times the hydra puts off or avoids doing things because of hydra johns is stupid. Could be an excuse to actively lurk. What I like is a lot of the time when they actually DO stuff.
He's seemed town-ish to me for other things.
However, reading over a bit I do agree that the amount of times the hydra puts off or avoids doing things because of hydra johns is stupid. Could be an excuse to actively lurk. What I like is a lot of the time when they actually DO stuff.