OneWingSephiroth
Smash Journeyman
Your opinion, however again, opinion doesn't remove the fact that it remained in the majority of people's eyes as one of the most well known scenes from any video game before or since then. Can you deny that? Or are you going to band on your opinion again?The Pong part was a joke, you're taking the internets too seriously right there.
Because it's one of the reasons FFVII fans love that game so much. They say it has the most emotional scene in any game, and it did nothing for me. I don't understand why people have any attachment to Aeris. I guess you agree that everyone who thinks FFVII is overrated has brain damage too? Thats a shame, you seemed sensible.
FFVII fans take any insult about the game as an insult to themselves. It found it boring and I still find it to be overrated. It did very few things that hadn't been done before.
For real, since when was it my opinion that VII's Death Scene with Aeris made as huge of an impact as it did?
Again, you riding on "My Opinion", now I don't mind if you didn't like the "storyline" as much, however when comparing to most rpg's before hand. It really delved deep into character individuality and really fleshed them out to be more human then what was seen in most rpg's. This was a big change from the FF series, VI started it, but VII went infinitely deeper. Sad, how you talk about gameplay, when VII's gameplay was spectacular to watch, read, and play through.Maybe ****ed up was a bit of a strong word to use, but the storyline in FFVII did nothing but bore me. If I really wanted to get to know characters that well I'd read a book. When I play games I expect to learn a little about the characters, but I don't want any drawn out stories. I play games for gameplay.
So "how" in the world does your opinion refute that VII was more successful then any rpg before it's time?You're saying that what I posted is opinion, but what other people post is fact (Protip: them agreeing with you doesn't make it fact, it's still their opinion)? That's flawed on so many levels. FFVII is fine for people who like turn based RPGs and/or feel like spending tons of time on side quests and **** like that. It isn't the sort of game I would ever play again. I found it decent, but certainly not one of the best games ever.
Which is why you haven't given me one single valid reason to VII being overrated. Also, the fact that if you dislike turnbased rpg's so much...you are basically saying that anything that's not CT/SoM/SMRPG is not good in your eyes...so basically anything turnbased with that standard is bad.I might be confused on some parts of the game because I haven't played it in a very long time (I said before I didn't like it that much). The only RPGs I really bothered replaying were SoM, CT and SMRPG.
However, you make absolutely No Sense, because Chrono Trigger is *gasped* Turn Based.
This is the absolute reason why I said Chrono Trigger's storyline is very straight forward. VII was not built storyline wise to be a straight forward storyline. Chrono was a straight forward character, he did not have multiple dimensions like what you saw in VII.I'll adress OWS's post about the storyline of CT and FFVII. You don't need to know anything about Chrono. He's an average person who just so happens to be thrown into a strange situation. Not much to explain there. I'm saying that CT didn't need to give me tons of details that I don't care about. I got plenty of story from it, any more would have made the game feel like a chore. Chrono is constantly helping the people of the world and seeing the effects of it later. I'm pretty sure CT was the first game to do something like that, and it did that very well. I find its story much more enjoyable than FFVII.s
There is a difference between the two, in one storyline, you have a person playing a pure Hero. In the other storyline, you have one who's weak, yet in the end, overcomes it enough to win.
This is what eludes me, firstly, you clearly stated that CT had all these "great" sidequest. Yet, you seemingly "Forgot" about VII's own Sidequest which where incredibly fun to do. So stop the hypocrisy already.I never argued about there being more sidequests in CT, but you made it seem like the game was completely straightforward and had no character development at all. I never said CT has more character development than FFVII, I never said CT had more sidequests than FFVII. I also find it hilarious that you said a sidequest being long essentially makes the sidequest good. Oh man, quantity > quality nowadays? Sidequests are great if they aren't tedious, which is why I love the CT sidequests. They are all unique and interesting, each one rewards you well and they certainly don't get boring.
It's not Quantity>quality...however if you have Quantity+Quality>>>>Quality like in VII...I'd rather take Quantity+Quality over just Quality anyday of the week. Btw, each VII quest rewards you well and great (Mime Materia, Knights of the Round Table Materia, Apocalypse Weapon, Ultima Weapon, Death Penalty, Omni-Slash etc, etc), and usually after they are done, you no longer have to do them again.
So where does the quality die? My point exactly.
I brought up CC, because it was used to cover up "plotholes" within CT. Yes, your precious CT even has plot holes. Being the hypocrite that you are though, you wouldn't understand that, that's the reason why Schala finally came into light.Stop mentioning CC. It wasn't a good game and it wasn't Chrono Trigger. I'm comparing games, not sequels or any bull**** like that. You are an idiot if you honestly think CC makes CT any better or worse (I'm not calling you an idiot unless you actually think that, in which case you must be). Sorry if this is seen as a personal attack, but you must be kidding if you think CC being released makes CT any less amazing. I might as well say all those terrible FFVII spinoffs make FFVII worse.
Sad really, when you have refuted NOTHING from my statements about Chrono Trigger and lolz...I know more about CT then you do, a game that you are trying to compare to VII

Remember, your beloved game had plotholes...just like Final Fantasy VII's.
The fact is this, you compared VII to CT, and the fact remains simple. CT did not make the impact VII did, period.Since I forgot to multiqute, here's the stupidest part of OWS's post.
You use one fact (that FFVII made RPGs more popular) and that instantly makes all of your opinions facts? It can be overrated, and it is. People like you make it overrated. You worship the game and NOBODY can convince you otherwise. You're extremely bigoted (although you'll deny it), and you refuse to accept that anything in the game is flawed. The game is flawed, get over it. There are better games out there.
You called it the best RPG ever, that's overrating it dip****. It was an influential RPG. does that make it better than games that came after (or before) it? No.
The brain damage part proves you're a bigot, you ran out of things to defend FFVII with so why not insult everyone who disagrees with you?
Edit: This post got a lot longer than I originally intended it to be.
I regarded VII as the best Final Fantasy Game of All Time. Where in my post did I ever say it was "the best" of all of time? I regard VII as not being overrated, because of the impact it made on a global scale.
My statement has nothing to do with what your bringing it too...an opinion lvl. Your idiocy blinds you yet again, because here you are going "VII didn't appeal to me, blah, blah this." "It didn't wow me gameplay wise" (That boggles me, considering nothing like a summong of Bahamut, an Omnislash or the such was ever that spectacular to look at, but in your eyes, the gameplay fighting was horrible and was boring).
Dude, I'm not talking about VII's appeal to you, I'm not talking about VII's appeal to me either.
What I've been trying to talk to you about is what VII did on a Global Scale. Quite frankly, NO RPG'S BEFORE HAND made this kind of impact. Your opinion, or my opinion, or someone's grandmother's opinion, it doesn't matter.
Now, are you to deny what VII has done/achieved for the company of Square? Or what it did for the Rpg Genre? This is the reason why I feel you have brain damage, so I honestly want to say this to you.
Which other RPG made as big of an impact or achieved in the same success magnitude as Final Fantasy VII did before it's time?
Oh yeah...that's right...you can't name one...and THAT'S MY POINT exactly. This isn't even opinion, it was shown back in 1997, VII was not overrated, it's achievements where one of the most successful within the gaming world ever.
Not just "influential", it changed the face of a company, it change the way rpg's where viewed, it paved the way for rpg's to dominate for the years to come. Without VII's success, we most likely wouldn't have all the rpg's we have today
You sicken me, because you keep bringing up opinion, this, opinion, that, when history speaks differently.
So you can really stop the fanboy riding comments, because all it does is making you look more like a bandwagoner of the I hate VII. Considering you hate turn based rpg's...yet CT at it's core is a turnebased rpg, and funny thing is, and I must repeat myself again, I know more about CT storyline/ingame wise then you do.
To end it to you Skler, VII is not overrated.
To EL, I'll reply to you next time, as I'm posting this at work, lolz.