Fighterpedia discusses the Smash series.

[lordvaati]

in the new episode,the guysdebate over whether Smash is a fighting game, weighing pros and cons.

also, LOL AT THE ENDING.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o8yWSmkMMQ

 

[LLDL]

LMFAO, overwhelming fraudulence!

 

[Anth0ny]

Great video. Loved the ending.

 

[Morin0]

It is a fighter but not entirely. Why can't people just accept that and move on? lol

The reason why Smash is the way it is now, is that Sakurai felt there were too many generic fighters out there and he wanted something different.

 

[Strong Badam]

That ending was hilarious lmao

 

[himynameisruss]

this video is amazing.

 

[Divinokage]

Well discussing what is a fighting game is good since I don't think it was done as deeply as this, the people that play their fanbased game is perfectly fine you cannot please everyone. And also I had a lot of fun doing this, it was hilarious. lol.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

****ing died when i saw kage at the ending.

PRICELESS

edit: oh **** there he is. lol good stuff.

 

[Divinokage]

I wanted to post this here but I got ninjaed faster, =P

 

[UltiMario]

Decent Video, Amazing ending.

 

[ShrieK1295]

HAHA, so gooooood

 

[Metà]

OMFG THIS IS THE BEST! that ending looooool

seriously, I'm so glad this video exists. I want to point every SSB-bashing elitist in the FGC to this video. this is game-changing

 

[Yung Mei]

Dat ending tho

 

[Grape Ape]

trolled so hard by the ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o8yWSmkMMQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=513s
^truth

 

[Spyro]

Smash is more of a sub gener fighting game. We could call it a "platform fighter".

 

[KishPrime]

I remember Chester. The man traveled for FC...awesome that he's still around!

And yes, I enjoyed this much.

 

[Shawn101589]

This was awesome. Can't to see the **** storm when this gets posted on SRK.


And I'm so glad the mentioned SF2 combos being an accident, just like virtually all of Melee's depth v_v

 

[choknater]

haha well

all these have been touched no before so i'm sure the ****storm will still rage on

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

Smash is more of a sub gener fighting game. We could call it a "platform fighter".

I like this post

very much

 

[KirbyKaze]

We discussed similar stuff in my cognition course this year. Like, how definitions don't really work as a way to categorize subjects in the brain. It becomes riddled with inconsistencies and exceptions, which in turns makes it... really inefficient.

What they called "fightinggameyness" we referred to as "family resemblance".

Nurgle.

Nice video.

 

[Kal]

I don't particularly like this video. Items make it less of a fighter? Stage hazards make it less of a fighter? This is nonsense. They go on to make an observation about Brawl along the lines of "you can randomly trip!" as though this makes it less of a fighter. If you put random tripping in Street Fighter IV, it's still a fighting game. Doesn't mean it won't be bad, but being a bad fighter doesn't preclude being a fighter.

But I did get a giggle out of the ending, and I'm glad they acknowledge in the end that Smash is a fighting game. I just find it annoying that they confuse "being the kind of fighter I want it to be" with "being a fighter." Not following every convention to the letter doesn't mean a work of art suddenly changes genre.

And, as Spyro said, it makes much more sense to list Smash in a sub-genre of the fighting game genre, the same way you would list Uncharted and Halo as members of the shooter genre, but also as members of the "third person platformer" and "first person" sub-genres, respectively.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

The ending was great. Kage is continuing to represent Ganon mains, but now he's doing it on film. Unfortunately, it was a bit hard to her them talk over the music, and I had to rewind a few times.

 

[KrIsP!]

I don't particularly like this video. Items make it less of a fighter? Stage hazards make it less of a fighter? This is nonsense. They go on to make an observation about Brawl along the lines of "you can randomly trip!" as though this makes it less of a fighter. If you put random tripping in Street Fighter IV, it's still a fighting game. Doesn't mean it won't be bad, but being a bad fighter doesn't preclude being a fighter.

Yes they said that stuff but then they contradicted it all and basically debunked that way of thinking. I'm wondering if they said it just to pull in the FGC and then persuade them to think differently as they realised the idea of "fightinggameyness" is stupid and illogical.

 

[FoxLisk]

this video is just two guys trying to be egoraptor while pointing out obvious things as if they're being insightful... i dont really get why it's getting so much attention.

 

[Kal]

Yes they said that stuff but then they contradicted it all and basically debunked that way of thinking. I'm wondering if they said it just to pull in the FGC and then persuade them to think differently as they realised the idea of "fightinggameyness" is stupid and illogical.

They didn't contradict it. Their response was "but you can disable it." They don't seem to know the difference between "this is what I expect of a fighter" and "this is what constitutes a fighter." Genres are intentionally vague, because anything too specific leaves out titles that belong. Smash is obviously a fighter.

And what FoxLisk said.

 

[KrIsP!]

I felt the same way you did at first. As they said that I was thinking you can turn that **** off and then they went ahead and said fighters have a programmed ruleset that can't be changed and I thought to myself how stupid of a point that was, and shouldn't pertain to the argument. However, in the end when they did things side by side they pretty much showed how Smash has all the characteristics of a fighter and whatever is different isn't used competitively.

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

this video is just two guys trying to be egoraptor while pointing out obvious things as if they're being insightful... i dont really get why it's getting so much attention.

Because it's on SRK.

 

[Kal]

You're missing the point, Krisp: what is different doesn't preclude it from being a fighting game. "Fighting game + hazards" doesn't suddenly get its own genre. It's still a fighting game, the same way "third person shooter + platforming" is still a third person shooter. The whole "but you can turn it off" isn't relevant to me; their inclusion in the first place does not make it less of a fighting game. It might (according to personal preference) make the game better or worse, but Smash in which items are always on and you have to play with the non-starter stages isn't suddenly "not a fighter."

So, even though I like their conclusion, I don't agree with some of the logic. They seem incapable of differentiating between "what I want in a fighter" and "what constitutes a fighter."

 

[KrIsP!]

...I agree with you

 

[Divinokage]

this video is just two guys trying to be egoraptor while pointing out obvious things as if they're being insightful... i dont really get why it's getting so much attention.

That's like saying why do pro players get so much attention when they get interviewed. When important people do stuff like this, it's more recognized by the people.

 

[JPOBS]

I loved the video and found the ending hilarious, but I'm not sure how I feel about the ending. It sends mixed messages. You watch a 8 minutes video from objective analysis of non-smash players that argue that smash is a fighting game, then you have two melee players tell you that, basically, we don't even consider brawl a fighting game. Thats not the words they used, but certainly its the message that was sent.

I don't think it was such a great idea to argue in favor of smash, then be like "lol but melee is much better and brawl sucks".

 

[Divinokage]

Take it how you want it, if you want to ****storm me then I am prepared for it.

 

[Morin0]

Lighthearted humor I'd say.

 

[JPOBS]

I don't want to ****storm you, im just posting an honest opinion =/

 

[Kal]

While I agree that it's potentially harmful, JPOBS, it seems more lighthearted and facetious than an attempt at really bashing Brawl. Still, considering the relationship between the Brawl and Melee communities, it might have been a bad decision.

 

[JPOBS]

While I agree that it's potentially harmful, JPOBS, it seems more lighthearted and facetious than an attempt at really bashing Brawl. Still, considering the relationship between the Brawl and Melee communities, it might have been a bad decision.

Indeed, not only that, but look at it from SRK's perspective. They basically get told "even the smash scene doesnt agree about whether or not they are a fighting game" which completely contradicts the conclusions made in the first 8 minutes.

As a disclaimer, I truthfully do not care about how this falls out, and I found it hilarious. I'm just a cynic.

 

[Bones0]

The barlw community is going to become extinct the second Smash 4 drops, so it feels too late to give a **** about the Melee/barlw relationship.

 

[Kal]

Bones, I would like to (sincerely) thank you for spelling it with the "w" at the end. The joke Tobias Xelkythe told me (on GameFAQs) was that the spelling "Barlw" reflected how the game makes him feel. I like to think he came up with it, but that might be presumptuous.

I agree JPOBS. I don't really care about how this is received (mostly because, the longer this community lives, the more I seem to hate it), but I do find it funny, and expect an amusing response from SRK. They will dismiss the fact that you can disable items and janky stages altogether (despite their inclusion not precluding Smash from being a fighting game), and they will point out how silly it is that this "defense of Smash as a fighting game" ends by insulting a Smash game.

Also, I doubt the Brawl community will die when Smash 4 comes out. We will likely have a third, separate community.

 

[Strong Badam]

yeah we'll have brawlruses complaining that smash 4 took out IC's infinites and snake no longer has ******** hitboxes so they'll start an underground movement to mod Smash 4 named "Project B"

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

Loved the ending, lol a little when kage turned and looked into the camera on the side, and it kept going with the walking and random cuts to other angles.