FF6 Mafia - GAME OVER! Mafia wins!

[rPSIvysaur]

I read 2009 in your postbit as 2010 so I assumed you might have been a new player. My mistake.

 

[Cello_Marl]

I love how RMP has mutated over time.

Well, J, you've gotten something from RPsi. Whatchu think?

@RPSI: Why did you quit taking notes after my #216? Interestingly, I had forgotten you were in the game until that point. Well, not really. I knew there was someone that hadn't done anything, but I didn't know it was you. Also, you clearly don't like Nabe and Swiss. Maybe DH? Vote for one of them.

 

[Overswarm]

Votecount:

@Mod. Please clarify the unvote rule. Many mods don't care if a player unvotes before voting again. Others require an unvote before another vote. You have nothing in the rules about this mechanic. Please clarify.

There is no unvote rule. You don't have to unvote before voting again.

@Mod, you made a mistake, did you not?

Yes.

rPSI (1) - J
J (2) - MOD, MOD
Dark Horse (5) - Swiss, Nabe, Tandora, Vanderzant, X1-12,
Cello Marl (1) - InferiorityComplex, Meta-Kirby
GiraffeLaserGun (1) - Dark Horse,
X1-12 (1) - Xatres
BSL (1) - giraffelasergun,

Not voting: Zen, Cello_Marl, RocketPSIence, Sephiroths Masamune, BSL


With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch
A deadline has been set for Tuesday, November 23rd at 3 p.m., EST.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

My brain is half-fried right now. I got 5th in my tournament and that is very mentally taxing. I'll continue with the notes after I relax to some anime.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Mod: There are currently six votes on Dark Horse as of the vote count in post #283. Is this accurate?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

@SephMasa: I have no posting restriction; Tandora was mistaken. I said it was selective breadcrumbing; I cannot breadcrumb roles I do not know, so it must be mine. Anything else would be tantamount to a pre-game established system or code. A no-no.

I chose you to choose a lynch target because you exist. It's just as well a reason as any. Let me take this moment to assure you that, no matter what you might think, it is more important that you convince me that your alignment is town than for you to be able to get a good read on me. Both are important, of course.

I give orders because I wish to see how much actual control I can exert. I'm seeing more and more that people must be influenced in ways that make them feel as though they are responsible for what they do. Things can never be simple, can they? Why do people not wish to simply win? Fear, fear of looking foolish, fear that the mob may come for them, or my personal fear, feast upon itself. Some people snicker at that fear. I see their smiles.

Hmm. Concerning your last question, first, I must ask, what would you think if I lied to you? I already know the answer I intend to give, but I wish to know your thoughts so that I may word it properly.

A bunch of wifom right there.

Whether you lie or tell the truth will not only effect me but all of town. If you lie you gain a temporary advantage in exchange for the chance you will be caught and lynched regardless of your role. If you tell the truth, you not only protect yourself from the chance you'll be caught if you lied, but you also give information that will benifit everyone.

But whatever you choose to say, it's only information you choose to give out. I can only work with what you give me regardless of the quality of information.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

I think this is everything that has been shown against me that has t been repeated, and/or bandwagoning. If I missed something show me it.

Unvote
Vote: Dark Horse

I strongly suggest that you put your vote back on Nabe - swallow your pride, its all about winning and no offence, but some players in this game know better than you.

@MK: I meant get over the fact DH is cello's *****, there's no harm there atm

Swallow my pride? You mean like just thinking "Oh, swiss has an amazing reason to vote for me, He just doesn't want to tell me it. I should just trust him, as he''s better than me?"

Next 3 people to vote for Dark Horse are automatically town.

How abou I vote myself, eh? According to this, that makes me town.

This is NOT how new players react to Cello when the first encounter him. As soon as I saw this I knew he was scum.

See what I said below about genralizations.

The first one surprised me that he didn't say anything more confrontational, then the second one reeks of being told to listen to cello by a scumbuddy. No joke. Even without the massive 180 the second post alone would confirm his scummity in my eyes

And how does it reek of being scumfeded?

NO townie does that. I'd be willing to say that DH COULDN'T.

So you're trying to apply a generalization for why somebody is scum? Proof by example is a logical fallacy, you know.

Further, DH decides in #105 to try to explain himself to MK. He basically said that his primary concern was his own safety, in that he thought that I would be able to get everyone to vote for him. If this were so, why the threat that I would be dead next? Why would DH deliberately provoke the person that he felt was dangerous to him at the time? His explanation is clearly a lie.

Because if nabe flipped town, what could you really say? You had purposely gotten everyone to lynch a townie. I would bet people wouldn't listen to why you think somebody's scum. Today you might've been able to convince people. Tomorrow, you wouldn't.

Post #108 finds DH unvoting, about twenty minutes after his initial vote, and very shortly after X1 arrives on the scene. This could easily have been X1 asking him what the hell he was doing and telling him to back off. There was nothing in-thread that should have prompted DH to change his opinions and therefore unvote. The only thing that X1 said to him was that he should try to question people, which is hardly asking him to unvote. If MK's request for an explanation, and a subsequent theoretical DH reexamination of his own beliefs was the cause, DH would have unvoted in post #105, 7 minutes before his actual unvote. But this did not occur.

And... What? How does this prove that i'm scum?

J is town on a practical level because scum would not be given such an easily failed posting restriction. As the player-role selection is random, no mod would want to see their work go to ruin due to some bungler ****ing things up. Town is damaged less so by a single person's ineptitude.

You sure? This is OS were talking about....

I am on the DH wagon because I asked Cello for handholding and I trust him. In return I have to show that I'm trustworthy to him. I would like to think he wouldn't say he would hold hands if he was scum, but if I am wrong, I'll know not to trust him again.

Fair enough.

However, if I flip town, would you still trust cello?


rPSI's #278 gives NO reasoning for anything, and is just him flaming me. What's the point of replying when there is nothing to reply to?

@DH - What other games have you played in?

Castle maf, halo maf, and Sorcerers at the magic academy on mafiascum. And about 1,000 EM games.

Unvote

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Vote: rPSI

 

[Swiss]

Why did you vote rPSI over Cello?

Do you think Cello scummy, or misguided?

If scummy, do you find rPSI scummier than Cello? Or do you think Cello would be unaffected by your vote, and hence used it on rPSI.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Why did you vote rPSI over Cello?[/color]

R had made statements with nothing backing it up.

Do you think Cello scummy, or misguided?

Probably misguided. Besides ordering people around, he/she/it hasn't done much scummy things.

If scummy, do you find rPSI scummier than Cello?

Yes, as backing up points is a lot less scummier than not.

Or do you think Cello would be unaffected by your vote, and hence used it on rPSI.

Sorry, what do you mean "cello would be unaffected"?

Also:

unvote, vote:GLG

Glg's been acting scummy, though rPSI just seems dumb.

 

[giraffelasergun]

DH i certainly hope you're going to back up my scummy statements, especially since nothing changed since your last vote.

 

[Life]

For the record, guys, read Castlevania. DH's play there was very similar to that here, we were about to lynch him, then Swiss got him modkilled and he flipped town. (It's also your only opportunity to meta-read me as well.)

Doesn't confirm anything, but it does make me hesitate to jump that wagon.

Anyway, a lot has happened since I last viewed the thread, gonna go over it again.

@GLG: perhaps skimming on the "RMP" thing?

 

[Life]

Don't like that you'll laugh at a modkill and how you reacted to Cello's order.

Getting multiple permanent votes on someone because they screwed up their posting restriction would be a funny, quite unusual way to die. The person that votes for him will basically self-confirm scum in that case sooooo...

As for my reaction, Castlevania Mafia. You're in it, but for the others' sake: it's ongoing so I can't technically say "I'm town/scum" in it, but a lot of that game's town (Cello subbed in as an indy in D2 and died N2) thinks I'm scum there specifically because I get pushed around a lot and didn't really take stances. So I'm trying to work on that.

@Inferiority/Nabe/Dark Horse: I have not really seen much of your guy's play before nor have I played a game where you were in it. Why should I trust you guys? What are your reads on GLG and each other?

Why you should trust me: you shouldn't. Why trust anyone unless you know/are very sure they are town?

re: Nabe... dunno what to make of him.
re: DH. Normally I'd say he's leaning scum, but after what happened in Castlevania...

@SephMasa: I have no posting restriction; Tandora was mistaken. I said it was selective breadcrumbing; I cannot breadcrumb roles I do not know, so it must be mine. Anything else would be tantamount to a pre-game established system or code. A no-no.

I chose you to choose a lynch target because you exist. It's just as well a reason as any. Let me take this moment to assure you that, no matter what you might think, it is more important that you convince me that your alignment is town than for you to be able to get a good read on me. Both are important, of course.

I give orders because I wish to see how much actual control I can exert. I'm seeing more and more that people must be influenced in ways that make them feel as though they are responsible for what they do. Things can never be simple, can they? Why do people not wish to simply win? Fear, fear of looking foolish, fear that the mob may come for them, or my personal fear, feast upon itself. Some people snicker at that fear. I see their smiles.

Hmm. Concerning your last question, first, I must ask, what would you think if I lied to you? I already know the answer I intend to give, but I wish to know your thoughts so that I may word it properly.

For now, it is appropriate to say that I am comfortable with the direction that you have chosen to take.

@BSL:



I will give you a different answer. I choose to give orders because it whips certain towns into shape. This is a town that will ultimately respond positively to my discipline, provided I do not attempt to micromanage too much and properly rely upon the support of my allies. YOU already know that I am not mafia. Everyone else will know that I am not when I deliver all (probably) 4 of your heads to them. I've always found a good rule of thumb to be "Follow Cello until he leads town into 2 mislynches". I'm biased, however.

Don't like this. It sounds megalomaniacal. And then you not only contradict yourself, but go out of your way to point it out (specifically, that you gave two seperate answers for why you are controlling).

Also, "I have no posting restriction" yet you apparently are not allowed to vote (or more likely, must not). Which itself is a posting restriction. Lynch All Liars

Lynch All Liars

Why X1 and DH are scum: A Primer to Scum Thought
--------------------------------------------------------------

Starting from Post #91, timestamped 2:39 PM. Let's say DH refreshed at that moment, and it took him about him about 6-7 minutes to read and digest the information present in it and then formulate an opinion, which was the time of his first response. That would mean that he wasn't aware of my #93, where I suggest voting for Nabe, which is reasonable enough. One minute later, he places his opportunistic vote on Nabe. This has been mentioned.

Think about it. In that one minute, he had to 1) reverse his implied opinion that I don't have the authority to command his vote, 2) decide that he was willing to place a vote that he had no intention of sticking to (unless he lied later in post #127) and 3) come to the conclusion that if Nabe is town, I must be scum without already having that impression (or else he would have said as such in post #95. This point is further strengthened from post #127, where DH suggested that my confidence [which indicated to DH that I never considered if Nabe were town] was a factor in his interest in wishing to vote for me, something he probably did not know for post #91).

NO townie does that. I'd be willing to say that DH COULDN'T.

Further, DH decides in #105 to try to explain himself to MK. He basically said that his primary concern was his own safety, in that he thought that I would be able to get everyone to vote for him. If this were so, why the threat that I would be dead next? Why would DH deliberately provoke the person that he felt was dangerous to him at the time? His explanation is clearly a lie.

Post #108 finds DH unvoting, about twenty minutes after his initial vote, and very shortly after X1 arrives on the scene. This could easily have been X1 asking him what the hell he was doing and telling him to back off. There was nothing in-thread that should have prompted DH to change his opinions and therefore unvote. The only thing that X1 said to him was that he should try to question people, which is hardly asking him to unvote. If MK's request for an explanation, and a subsequent theoretical DH reexamination of his own beliefs was the cause, DH would have unvoted in post #105, 7 minutes before his actual unvote. But this did not occur.

I already spoke of DH's hypersensitivity toward Swiss's vote against him, but it bears repeating and a further expansion based upon later events. X1 voted for DH and suggested that he put his vote back on Nabe while quoting DH's question to Swiss. THIS MAKES NO SENSE. And yet, DH says nothing in response. Why get antsy at Swiss? Why did he say nothing to X1? Oh, Nabe said the same thing. Excellent. Then, in #128, DH's sensitivity shines once more when he asks Nabe about his vote on him. Yet, when X1 virtually accuses him of being scum in #158, or worse, an actual vote in #161, the SECOND time this has happened, DH has nothing bad to say about X1. No questions. Nothing.

One detects sub-background noise acoustical signatures by the presence of absence. When there is nothing when there should be something, there is something.

0_o Gonna have to let this digest before I comment.

J is town on a practical level because scum would not be given such an easily failed posting restriction. As the player-role selection is random, no mod would want to see their work go to ruin due to some bungler ****ing things up. Town is damaged less so by a single person's ineptitude.

I seem to recall Dastrn saying he once lost a game because one scum was made unlynchable. Spamming "Kupo!" isn't that difficult either. All J has to do is double-check his posts. Takes like thirty seconds.

I will not comment on my reasoning for InCom's town alignment for now.

If you really think I'm town, you would say why, no?

Meta-Kirby is not mafia. He has, at worst, that enviable anti-town position called "independent" which can legitimately scum-hunt. I must question his action against DH...while I agree whole-heartedly with his anti-DH sentiments, DH is admittedly a very easy target. Further, his vote on me was unwarranted and useless as Swiss outlines in post #133. It serves no purpose, disproves nothing.

More or less just disproving his "mk is kefka he has this restriction I see" theory. I'm content leaving it there until something else sticks out, which is bound to happen.

Imma just leave this here.

Nabe is town because I say so it's pretty obvious. A DH scum flip virtually guarantees it. Cello-Rule 11a states "Bussing does not occur on page 1". Besides, the way Nabe signed up wouldn't be an effective bus.

More "trust me because I say to trust me". A habit you should break for your own sake.

Zen is delusional, but town. He wouldn't stick his neck out the way he did for such a worthless scummate. I don't know why he chose to laugh though.

Zen cannot simply be "wrong". He must be "delusional". I really don't like the lengths you go to to discredit anyone who disagrees with you.

Town Swiss? Sure, why not.

Read: "I'm scum and swiss is not". See what I said about you thinking me town.

May have missed something as I am being rushed by computer-desiring family members.

 

[BSL]

Self-meta... Yay!

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Dark Horse... I haven't finished with it yet...

 

[BSL]

My comment about self meta was at #292. Also, how do you expect us to meta you if you haven't flipped yet?

 

[vanderzant]

@rPSI: Swiss and I agreed to be budd-ehs in the sign ups thread.

I swear I asked at least 5 questions and didn't get answers. People be skimming.

@InCom: I will see you DH town meta and raise you a DH scum meta. He doesn't defend himself (and in some cases respond to you) when he's scum. Think he can die toDay.

 

[vanderzant]

@Cello: Don't think we should lynch X1 first. If swiss thinks he's town, he's town. Or they're both scum. Either way he isn't a liability.

@Nabe: Talk to me. Do you think Swiss is scum? Out of this list who would you do you think is scum buddies with DH?

1. giraffelasergun
2. Xatres
3. Inferiority
6. Zen
11. RocketPSIence
15. Sephiroths Masamune
16. BSL

 

[vanderzant]

@GLG/BSL: Nailed you two last time I wonder if I can do it again :3c Also I am noticing a similar problem. I do not like both of your posts so far. =/

Unvote
Vote: GLG

Any questions feel free to ask. ;D

Kupo! Kupo! Kupo!

J was this a RVS type vote or did you have a reason for voting GLG?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe: Talk to me. Do you think Swiss is scum? Out of this list who would you do you think is scum buddies with DH?

1. giraffelasergun
2. Xatres
3. Inferiority
6. Zen
11. RocketPSIence
15. Sephiroths Masamune
16. BSL

No, I'm leaning town on Swiss.

Xat hasn't done much aside from talk about why he hasn't done much. In his 230 he talks about DH, but only in relation to me and X1. Then he throws a vote on X1 without saying why he's doing so.

GLG: I don't like how he's reacting to me compared to usual. He also hasn't taken any kind of stance on DH, aside from a general disgruntlement, and assuring that he'll hammer which is meaningless.

Zen hasn't said a whole lot yet, aside from that DH is town and that he has meta reasons for thinking so.

BSL has somehow made 19 posts as of now. I don't remember any of them. I don't think there's any contribution going on there. He's only interacted with a small number of people, mainly Cello.

Seph needs more content, rPSI is catching up. InCom is the only one of the 7 I have a town read on. So yeah, that's the order, more or less.

 

[BSL]

a few of mine were pre-game, and i had a multipost earlier when talking to cello/mk/OS about doublevoting. so yeah, my post count isnt too high, its just that i dont have much to say on what's happening comment wise.

 

[Swiss]

@ rPSI - "@J - Stop playing Meta with BSL and GLG. You're lucky that I consider you town based right now."

Care to elaborate. Would this normally be a scum tell? Why? How influential are you as a player?

Also, hi, we haven't played since I got you mislynched. I was new back then.


BSL, what do you think of GLG and his vote on you? Suspect, isn't it?


Zen, can we get that reasoning, por favor?

DH, what do you think of Zen? Did you take a stance? I skimmed it.

 

[X1-12]

Like to bring something to your attention, found this quote from OS after Villains ended

My mafia setups are always closely related and require planning of all mafia members. One bad member will bring down the whole group like dominos in all my games.

@Everyone who thinks J is auto-town for his restriction: does this change your mind? OS knows the game can be ruined by one bad player and I think its wrong to assume J is auto-town because of his 'kupo!' thing. Someone tell me what they think of J if they consider the restriction a null tell. Someone like Xastrn's opinion would be nice

Unvote
Vote: J

I think you need some more attention and we've got plenty of time

 

[vanderzant]

For the record, guys, read Castlevania. DH's play there was very similar to that here, we were about to lynch him, then Swiss got him modkilled and he flipped town. (It's also your only opportunity to meta-read me as well.)

Doesn't confirm anything, but it does make me hesitate to jump that wagon.

You're trying hard to take more stances... but you're fluffing around possibly the most important stance in the game thus far? If you don't have a strong read on DH, why aren't you trying to strengthen said read by scum hunting?

 

[Cello_Marl]

WE DON'T NEED TO BOTHER TRYING TO DETERMINE J'S ALIGNMENT.

We could even disregard him entirely. Block his posts. If we haven't won by LyLo and scum doesn't IMMEDIATELY vote him to win, we KNOW that he's scum (scum might choose to wait so we lynch one of our own for kicks and giggles, but we'd have already lost for all intents and purposes). This isn't ideal, but what do we expect? A reward? This is the punishment we receive for ALL of us because of J's careless play.

 

[Swiss]

Do you think his restriction makes him more likely to be scum?

 

[vanderzant]

X1 that's a terrible reason to vote J.

Ignoring the restriction, I'm fine with J living past toDay on meta alone.

 

[Swiss]

Double ninja'd.

 

[vanderzant]

lol ninjas

 

[Cello_Marl]

@InCom:

Don't like this. It sounds megalomaniacal.

And?

And then you not only contradict yourself, but go out of your way to point it out (specifically, that you gave two seperate answers for why you are controlling).

A man with military training sees a thug attacking his family. He shoots him. Did he do so because of his training, or to protect his family?

Also, "I have no posting restriction" yet you apparently are not allowed to vote (or more likely, must not). Which itself is a posting restriction.

Posting restriction =/= voting restriction contextually.

I seem to recall Dastrn saying he once lost a game because one scum was made unlynchable. Spamming "Kupo!" isn't that difficult either. All J has to do is double-check his posts. Takes like thirty seconds.

The damage is done. J can't UNDO his ****-up. Moreover, I've never advocated making J unlynchable, just considering him Town until LyLo, then lynching him there. That minimizes the impact OF his ****-up, and his easier for me. Selfish, yes, what do I care about that?

If you really think I'm town, you would say why, no?

Given that I DIDN'T, apparently not. Duh.

Imma just leave this here.

MK proved with that post that he didn't have the VILLAINS version of Kefka, nothing more. Which means, nothing.


I've agreed with about 80-90% of what Nabe has said. For the most part, if he says it, you can assume I agree with it, and I'll be sure to point out the major discrepancies. Not all.

Zen cannot simply be "wrong". He must be "delusional". I really don't like the lengths you go to to discredit anyone who disagrees with you.

Zen thinks DH is town because he's acting differently from a situation ENTIRELY different from here. He was cast into a situation where he had to observe himself "objectively", and failed. Here, it's 100% DH. Zen's dissension is dangerous and must be stamped out.

@Swiss and Vand: X1 is doing whatever he can to drag attention away from DH.

@DH: Why did it take you so long to FINALLY respond to X1, AND after I pointed out that you hadn't THREE times?

@MK: I'm still worried that OS is covering for you because of the WAY certain points were worded. Regardless, put your vote back on Dark Horse since that's where you think it should be. I want you to be on the wagon of whoever is getting lynched, and I definitely don't want you to be the hammer.

 

[Tandora]

Way too much meta-concern about Kefka. Just do normal scum hunting for best results!

 

[Xatres]

@X1: I don't really have enough experience with OS's game to make a definitive statement.

I do know that if I were designing a game, I wouldn't give a member of scum a posting restriction that would make their role so obvious. The point of mafia, as the informed minority, is to hide information from town. Creating a scum role that automatically reveals information to town seems inconsistent with the point of the game. However, I do think it's dangerous for the town to assume that just because J is a cute, cuddly moogle that he must be town. I just think it's more likely given the design of the game.

 

[Xatres]

The more I read through DH's posts, the more I get a general "newb" vibe from him. All the mistakes he's made smell more of inexperience than scumminess to me. This is the kid who revealed he had a QT and got modkilled in the same game. I'm learning more and more as I play that the easy lynch on D1 is often just a newbish or poor-playing townie.

@Everyone: I think we as a town are playing a dangerous game right now. The focus has been on DH since almost the beginning, and while I think creating early pressure is good, we are creating an environment that makes it very easy for experienced scum to hide within the crowd. This is a 16-player game, after all. There are bound to be surprises.

If we want more complete information, we need to put different players in different situations. We have an opportunity in D1 to see everyone in the game under pressure, or being buddies, or leading charges, or sitting the background listening, or even defending the wagoned player. Let's not create a situation where each player only gets to do one of these D1. We get much more information for later by taking our time, considering multiple options, and doing some more creative and vigorous scumhunting.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Swiss, I'm going to come to you for questions about X1 because I'm being ignored.
Is it like X1 to make a lot of votes in the first day for varied reasons, or is it part of him trying different things like you seem to be getting at here?

Awww. He's stepped it up. X1 has evolved..ish. Not a Gyarados yet. Stuck with splash.

Will call town for now. Will change it when he doesn't do what he's meant to.

 

[Swiss]

And I'll give you answers.

The new part would mainly be X1 not parroting me. However, he's never been scum to my town before. If I were him I'd be staying as far away from me as possible. Didn't consider that before - I quick post too much. Point in case earlier wrt you/DH.

Wrt his voting - I've never yet understood or agreed with the reasoning of any vote X1 has ever placed, so that's hard to comment on. Wow he did go after you, and just as you appear to be pressuring me too. X1 must be very confident in his DH-scum read to OMGUS you when you call them buddies. Wouldn't he get off scot-free if DH flipped town?

Hurr.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Thanks, I appreciate the insight.

 

[Xivii]

Wow this game is super active. I haven't read the last couple of pages. I got too Cello's huge *** post which ate up most of my time. For now on I'll just read at home so I have time to posts when I'm on a CPU like I do with other games.

Cello I totally didn't realize I laughed... I don't think that restirction is in this game anyways. And I think it's more likely that you would be Kefka than MK.

How so Zen :o?

You're ninja skills.

This is @ every who asked me about DH
This is NOT how new players react to Cello when the first encounter him. As soon as I saw this I knew he was scum.

The first one surprised me that he didn't say anything more confrontational, then the second one reeks of being told to listen to cello by a scumbuddy. No joke. Even without the massive 180 the second post alone would confirm his scummity in my eyes

Wow dude. This is basically as bad as my reasoning was in Halo except reversed. Not liking this at all.

Guys if DH were scum he would be trying harder. Swiss you should trust me on this one. People are speaking as if DH has no mafia experience. He has mafia experience, just not much forum mafia. DH plays a lot of epic mafia and it shows in his posts. In epic mafia you have very little time compared to forum mafia. It's quick pace and onelinerific. That's why DH's quick 180 isn't weird at all. He plays like that in general. This is basically ruining my meta on him for future games as now he can just wifom but if he were scum he would be more on the offense rather than layed back DH only really replying to things that concern him. And after his flip in Halo, I know he would be playing better if he were scum.

Cello, you haven't played with DH before, but you failed to mention that you kept up with Castlevania. You should know that his play here isn't anything different than there. You saw how easily he could be convinced to do something there, so I find it odd that you think his 180 is odd. And I don't think scum x1 would bus his partner like this d1 especially since hes like the main contender of the DH wagon. This is basically castlevania all over again and if you should see that.

DH isn't the play toDay at all.

Nabe who are you and why are you playing so scummy? It's like you're just riding what other are saying and a lot of what you're saying looks like you're just trying to look like you're doing something when you really aren't. I didn't like you're asking people what they thought of what you're doing, and asking useless questions like over Swiss self vote. And you're asking for a Tandora scum game was totally random for you to then say you just like reading games and don't even want it for meta. You're excuse, I believe was that you wanted to get an idea of people's personalities, but that's pretty much useless. I don't think you really had reason and are just saying things to be saying things and I'm good with you dying toDay. Plus the way you got on the DH wagon was crap.

Vote: Nabe

I'm good with either Nabe or Cello toDay. I'd settle for X1 as well.

 

[Xivii]

Will catch up on the rest later. And post more from toMorrow on.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

@DH: Why did it take you so long to FINALLY respond to X1, AND after I pointed out that you hadn't THREE times?

Because I didn't understand what he was saying until recently.

FoS: Cello

I find it scummy that you're keep trying to keep the attention on me.

 

[Swiss]

Zen: You're = You are. "You're scummy" & "Your case on Nabe". Irritates me every time I read it. Rich coming from a guy that deliberately trolls with apostrophes, I know.

Why Cello as a play? I don't see justification. Is it because he said you're an idiot?

Vanz, is Nabe playing similar to how you thought I was in Oddworld? Is this scummy in his case?

Zen wrt Nabe, the ends justify the means. 'Course he is buddying me - but I'm obv town so I don't find it suspicious.

Will catch up on the rest later. And post more from toMorrow on.

Did you mean 'Tomorrow' or 'ToMorrow'? The latter, with the odd capitalisation, referring to in-game days.