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[BSL]

so can we RMP now?

cello sounds good.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Another part of my problem comes from post #126, when Nabe makes a big case against X1 and then votes for DH. Some people are satisfied with his explanation, others aren't. Personally, I'm wondering if his vote wasn't forced onto DH, and he made the case against X1 so exaggerated to people would get the hint. Not sure how to verify this though.

Of the people who don't understand 126, you're the closest because you mention exaggeration. What really happened is that Cello asked me to look at X1's post and to read for X1/DH connections. Here's the post in question, and keep in mind that I've bolded the parts of the post that mean what they say.

Hey so I hear this is the scummiest post that ever scummed

oh you


Considering how concerned DH was about what Cello said, it is surprising that he didn't react to you in any way. I'm willing to believe there's a sexy partnership going on here, and proof of that is clear in the way you degrade DH, since with Swiss you were the sub and you resented him for that.
Segue~!


Reason for voting is cool, self-votes are scummy as ****. What I don't like here is that you're playing to me without saying my name.

This post here is what I'm talking about specifically:


I think that post planted in your head and you decided to give me a ring. Less overtly than you're doing with Swiss, naturally.

It happens again here:

You namedrop an exchange that was primarily between me and Swiss.

You're scum in my head and it's so stuck there that I'm never letting it go. You're the scummiest player here. You're so scum you wrap around the scale to the town side and end up all the way over on scum again. I'm voting for you.
Vote: DH

Hey Swiss let's fornicate now.

In the bolded, I play off of Cello's request: at the time of the post, I could certainly see how if DH was scum, it would paint X1 in a bad way. But I wasn't convinced of X1 being scum, so I made up some vaguely plausible BS about X1 being a sly manipulator of social undertones (and p.s. X1, if that were actually true then you'd have already earned MVP for this game and my strongest congratulations).

In reality, I was grabbing reactions; in particular I was looking for direct interaction with X1, which hadn't happened prior to this post, and interaction with Swiss in regards to X1. I got both, as well as a slew of reactions to the post and the conversation that followed. I'll go into those as people file in today, and as they become important.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Tan, since you're here, could you check out 211 for me? Thanks.

 

[Tandora]

@Tandora:
You state in ToS that you don't like self-voters. Does that still hold true?
If so, does it bother you if it's done jokingly? For that matter, what's your policy on humour in Mafia?

My general opinion on self-voting has more or less boiled down to apathetic at this point. I think self-voting as RVS is pointless because it just draws negative attention that people latch onto.

Self-voting when you're town and frustrated with the game is not fair to rest of the game because you're depriving us valuable information. Self-voting (usually hammer) as scum can be a maneuver to intentionally deprive town of information and can be a useful play.

Honestly, I am at the point I ignore joke self-votes. They're null tells at best, annoying at worst. I personally think people need to grow out of them, but I'm past the point of trying to marshall others.

Humor can have it's place in Mafia. I think if you make it obvious that you're stating a joke with emoticons or other indicators it can be okay, but just being generally goofy can be disruptive to the point of uselessness.

Is there a particular reason you asked these questions? I hope it's relevant to the current game.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

That's a very reasonable reply, thanks. And yes, it'll be somewhat relevant.

 

[Overswarm]

Votecount:

rPSI (1) - J
J (2) - MOD, MOD
Dark Horse (6) - Swiss, Nabe, Tandora, X1-12, Vanderzant, Meta-Kirby
Cello Marl (1) - InferiorityComplex,
GiraffeLaserGun (1) - Dark Horse,
X1=12 (1) - Xatres

Not voting: giraffelasergun, Zen, Cello_Marl, RocketPSIence, Sephiroths Masamune, BSL


With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch
A deadline has been set for Tuesday, November 23rd at 3 p.m., EST.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Wow Nabe, I missed that you're town, assuming DH is scum. Too much Prison Break.

Gimme a minute and I'll tell you if we have X-scum or not.

Awww. He's stepped it up. X1 has evolved..ish. Not a Gyarados yet. Stuck with splash.

Will call town for now. Will change it when he doesn't do what he's meant to.

These two posts felt feeble, like they were possibly an odd 180. He backs off of me, says he'll check out X1, then 7 minutes later he gives that response without any detail. I thought it was possible that something in my 139 spooked him.

I asked MK his thoughts on the exchange. In particular, I wanted his reaction to the dumb or scum bit, which was all I could see in my post that would've spooked Swiss, but MK just commented on how he was confused.

In reality, I think that Swiss did actually figure out what I was getting at, and is also enormously good at reading X1, which explains the problems I had with this exchange.


@Swiss: would you say I've arrived at the right conclusion?

 

[X1-12]

Lets see..

Having just read through the topic again (took an hour) I can say that I'm getting a certain amount of scumminess from X1, mainly due to his yet-be-explained references to having some kind of investigative ability..

I think you're either talking about this post:

Maybe I should do some investigating on him tonight yeah?

Note the winky face at the end? K, Either you can't see that's a joke or you're talking about me knowing that DH is scum, which I explained pretty clearly why. The whole of your post seems to revolve around the cop crumbs which don't exist

so can we RMP now?

cello sounds good.

Why even post this. Seriously explain to me why.

Unvote, vote: GLG

I was going to do this last night, when either nabe or tandora had pointed out that GLG had skimmed, not knowing what RMP meant

Is he the only one to have skimmed?

@RPSI: Are you going to post this time? I know you're watching.

@Nabe: If you were merely questioning me, What do you actually think of DH and me, get some stances in please not just 'generating discussion'

@All: Perhaps everyone should make a post with just a vote e.g:

Unvote
Vote: Zen

and nothing else in the post. If someone gets a mod vote they can do some explaining to us all, this saves us just randomly guessing at restrictions kefka may have, and if its something to do with voting then we catch it. if we catch nothing we can still look out for patterns in people's posts

 

[X1-12]

Unvote
Vote: Dark Horse

 

[rPSIvysaur]

X, I'm reading right now ATM.

 

[Swiss]

Lol.

Who is this kid.

Why this kid trying it?

 

[giraffelasergun]

Vote: BangSL

 

[giraffelasergun]

Vote: BangSL

 

[BSL]

@mod: is there an error in the votecount in post #153?

Looks like you forgot to answer.

 

[BSL]

Why even post this. Seriously explain to me why.

I had expressed my thoughts that cello had a possibility of being mafia. With the amount of analyzing he's doing makes him seem town. Hence the "cello sounds good."

I asked if we could RMP because I don't feel like consciously worrying about it everytime.

What was your problem with it?

 

[BSL]

Vote: GLG

 

[BSL]

Un vote

 

[Cello_Marl]

I see your point about DH's two posts. His 180 appears to have been preplanned because there wasn't enough time to have changed his mind.

That wasn't what I meant at all, but sure, whatever floats your boat. To clarify though, my point was that he saw that I had suggested that he and several others lynch Nabe, and (mistakenly) saw that as a good opportunity to get two easy lynches: Nabe, then myself.

About Dark Horse's #227 and #229: Hey look, nothing about X1's THIRD vote on him. X1 is a **** Ohio-class submarine.

@J: I can't speak for everyone else, but the reason I said we might as well consider you town is that you will be proven as scum in a 3 person LyLo if you are. With your mod vote, if the last scum were one of the other two, then they could simply win by voting for you. If they are both town, that wouldn't happen. Instant J-scum and potatoes.

@Nabe: It sounds like you are at the point where you would be willing to lynch X1 first. Do you want to? If not, that's fine. DH is definitely the easier lynch, and I'm all for path of least resistance.

@GLG: You're still going to hammer DH, right? Also, I approve of BSL vote. Oh, also, would you hammer X1 as well? If we decided to go that route. Also, I can't really think of a good way to word why I posted who I thought was town. I suppose the best way to put it truthfully is that it furthers my agenda.

@BSL: Feel free to laugh all you want. You're the D3 or D4 lynch anyway.

@Xatres: Good catch on the vote counts. You're promoted to official townie. However, it looks like OS isn't going to clear us your question, which is fine. Fortunately, we can gather our own evidence.

@Meta-Kirby: Actually, I hadn't realized that the Villains version of Kefka actually had to laugh with every single vote/vote change. Even if I had, I wasn't suggesting that he would have to do that here. Just that he would have to laugh, perhaps once a Day or the like. Besides, using the same version would be boring.

Also, you're claiming that OS's vote counts are simply mistakes? It's easy enough to get empirical data on that, and I doubt that OS would consistently **** up the vote count in the way that you suggest. In your next post vote for Cello Marl.

DO NOT UNVOTE BEFORE YOU DO THIS.

We shall see what OS puts on the vote count. When you are proven to possess a double vote, we shall know you are scum. After all, if you were town, what possible reason would you have to conceal the fact that you are a double voter after evidence which proves that you ARE one came to light? You couldn't possibly hope to survive all the way to endgame after that. From your perspective, you would simply be denying Town voting power. Power Town obviously would need, seeing that I am not able to vote.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

126- I find X1-12's @Cello to be interesting and I think I get why you say its the scummiest to scum scum ever. I don't get why you say he's playing to you without saying his name. I also found it strange that you're voting for him but then you vote for dh, although I think later you say(or maybe it was earlier) a vote for dh is a vote for X1, correct?

in Swiss's 133 I don't like how he basically was all "i got this bro" "lol u scum"

139 makes sense to me.

141 is swiss remembering previous events that caused him to change his opinion on you.

126: you admit to not understanding what I'm saying, but you say "I think I get why you said this" and you bring up X1's @Cello as proof you understand, when I didn't talk about that in 126. This proves that you're reading rather than skimming, or at least reading selectively, meaning there's no reason that your thoughts on 133 and 139 should be simple no-content one-liners.

141: you use an odd phrasing: "Swiss is doing this" as if you know it to be true. In general this sentence is also very matter-of-fact.

It concerns me that I'm feeling buddied by you when typically you're the anti-Nabe. I feel like I'm being told what I want to hear.

Is there a reason you're voting for BSL? What are your thoughts on DH?

 

[Overswarm]

@mod: is there an error in the votecount in post #153?

Looks like you forgot to answer.

I had missed removing the name when adding the other one; I believe I fixed it in the next votecount.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe: It sounds like you are at the point where you would be willing to lynch X1 first. Do you want to? If not, that's fine. DH is definitely the easier lynch, and I'm all for path of least resistance.

DH still needs to be the play of the moment. This far into D1, I'm very happy with him sitting at L-3. We still need content from a few people before anything resembling a hammer is brought up, and one of those people is DH himself.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe: If you were merely questioning me, What do you actually think of DH and me, get some stances in please not just 'generating discussion'

Before I answer this, I'd like to know if you put any thought into 168-169, or if you perhaps just didn't see it.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@MK: OS's votecounts are accurate then. Why did you lie to us? Now that we know that for sure, put your second vote on Dark Horse. I want to know for certain that your double vote can affect the same person twice.

@Nabe: Don't be one of those people. Oh well, I can't expect everything. (This is about your unwillingness to end the Day)

 

[giraffelasergun]

126: you admit to not understanding what I'm saying, but you say "I think I get why you said this" and you bring up X1's @Cello as proof you understand, when I didn't talk about that in 126. This proves that you're reading rather than skimming, or at least reading selectively, meaning there's no reason that your thoughts on 133 and 139 should be simple no-content one-liners.

The "no-content" one-liners are all i needed to say.

141: you use an odd phrasing: "Swiss is doing this" as if you know it to be true. In general this sentence is also very matter-of-fact.

Its my opinion on what he means bro.

It concerns me that I'm feeling buddied by you when typically you're the anti-Nabe. I feel like I'm being told what I want to hear.
Is there a reason you're voting for BSL? What are your thoughts on DH?

You haven't slipped yet for me nabe. I feel no reason to think you're scum until I think your scum.

I'm voting for bsl becuase I feel like he's putting more work into not giving us all the info he has instead of giving us all the info he has.

@Cello: I'll hammer when needed for all but a few people.

 

[Overswarm]

I had missed removing the name when adding the other one; I believe I fixed it in the next votecount. It was a mistake on my part during the votecount.

 

[BSL]

I had missed removing the name when adding the other one; I believe I fixed it in the next votecount.

Mk unvoted between votecounts. So no, it still wasn't fixed.


Is it possible that MK can doublevote, but he has to RMP during one of them? His first vote was on Swiss. He RMP'd. Second vote on cello. Unvoted one of them. Unvoted the second and voted DH.

@MK: RMP in your next vote without unvoting.

@GLG: I don't have any info yet, other than what is in this post. I had been thinking about the RMP for second vote, but I was waiting for some mod input.

 

[BSL]

@Mod: just bumping this again so you get another email or whatever.

 

[M.K]

Wtf do you want me to do?! There are like 4 people telling me what to do and Idk which one to go by.

I'm NOT a doublevoter. The moderator had made a mistake. @Mod, you made a mistake, did you not?

I don't want to get caught up on this because of a mod error. I'm not a doublevoter, and I haven't even heard of a doublevoting mechanic working like you all have described. Usually placing ONE vote would simply COUNT as two.

 

[Cello_Marl]

BSL just said everything I was about to, except that I was going to clarify that the "double vote" we are referring to was NOT Swiss's, but MK's.

@MK: If it really is just a mod error, then how does it hurt you to simply indulge us? If you're town, you're just wasting our time. Don't say RMP either. Just laugh. Actually laugh, not RMP. And vote for me. We'll learn the truth. That's not a bad thing.

 

[M.K]

Vote: Cello_Marl

Cello's plan helps most to prove I'm not a double voter. This vote should not be counted because I already have a vote on Dark Horse.

Oh wait, but there's a problem.

@Mod. Please clarify the unvote rule. Many mods don't care if a player unvotes before voting again. Others require an unvote before another vote. You have nothing in the rules about this mechanic. Please clarify.

 

[BSL]

Wtf do you want me to do?! There are like 4 people telling me what to do and Idk which one to go by.

I'm NOT a doublevoter. The moderator had made a mistake. @Mod, you made a mistake, did you not?

I don't want to get caught up on this because of a mod error. I'm not a doublevoter, and I haven't even heard of a doublevoting mechanic working like you all have described. Usually placing ONE vote would simply COUNT as two.

two people are telling you what to do. i am one, cello is the other. i told you to do whatever cello says, but laugh while youre doing it.

 

[BSL]

MK, you forgot to laugh.

 

[Cello_Marl]

MK, you didn't laugh. Try again.

 

[M.K]

*slams face on desk*

BSL, shut up. Just stop talking right now so I can figure out what Cello wants. i'm being ninja'd all over the place.

CELLO, what do you want. Specifically. Don't use words like "indulge", be SPECIFIC.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Say LOL. Vote for me. All one post.

This is not difficult stuff.

 

[M.K]

Vote: Cello_Marl

lol.

 

[Cello_Marl]

And now we play the waiting game.

Although, I'm curious as to why he inverted the vote and the lol. Oh well. He did also have that gif.

If we don't get the results we expected, let's try having him exactly recreate post #78.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

So I just got done reading. I think I'll just post my notes I made during reading. X_X
[collapse="Notes"]
77 - Swiss: Dislike
Respond to Q.
82 - DH: lol@responsetomodvote
90 - Swiss: Push for RVS after something interesting/worthwhile.
95/96 - DH: lol180
103 - Swiss: encourgaing a player to not vote. WTF is this ****?
105 - DH: That's really scrubby. Ban FD, make PTAD legal you should A) think out your reponse, B) try to point out how that play is bad
107 - X1-12: what made you want to say that (the first part)
111 - MK: I agree with this.

115 - X: lol. But there is harm of Cello has a *****. Giving more power to a player artifically is bad if they're not town. This is not something anyone should assume.
116 - DH: Grow a *****.
122 - Cello: @Cello - what posting restriction do you have.
127 - DH: (after 2nd quote) It sort of does.
131 - Tanny: Mind enlightening me? Also, can someone explain the whole Kefka situation. I think I missed something. (in the other games at least)
133 - Swiss: I like how you buddy Nabe
134 - DH:
137 - MK: Quite interesting. I too look forward to this.
139 - Nabe: I like how nabe calls Swiss out on buddying
141/143 - Swiss: ~.~
144 - Cello: Well that's silly.
151 - MK: I agree.
152 - DH: Get the **** out.
158 - X: I don't really like breadcrumbing simply because you shouldn't be secretive in game. You could accidentally hit scum and tip them off to a PR or some other bad stuff.
166/167 - Xat/MK: I agree with both of you. It wasn't really Xat's fault though that RVS ended early (sucks for me too).
174 - MK: Trying too hard to get on Xat. However, I do agree that he should continue to post. =/
189 - Nabe: Holy **** trying to set up a meta much?
212 - BSL: It isn't the fact that it's how Cello normally plays. It's his playstyle, so what? It all just depends on how town (and scum) react to it. Do they follow him? Then it's bad. Do they listen but take their own action? Then it's good.
214 - X: I'm loving this post. Feed me more!
215 - Cello: **** your socks. (that was at the first part before the quote) @the Primer to Scum Thought: DWAM
216 - Cello: **** your socks again.
The whole RMP as of recent - "Cool story bro"... let's just see what happens.

@J - Stop playing Meta with BSL and GLG. You're lucky that I consider you town based right now.
@Nabe - Stop looking for outside examples. Play this game or get out.
@DH - What other games have you played in?
@Vand - What is this Swiss/Vand alliance?
@Tanny - What experience have you had? You should be careful about hand holding... no one should be helping you like that. I can't help you. You must look within for answers. Does that make sense?[/collapse]

 

[rPSIvysaur]

EBWOP: Reponse to Swiss' Question from early game:
I know:
J
X1-12
Vand
Swiss from in game stuff
and Dark Horse & MK from out of DGames.

 

[Tandora]

131 - Tanny: Mind enlightening me? Also, can someone explain the whole Kefka situation. I think I missed something. (in the other games at least)

I'm not a 100% sure what you're asking, but I'll try to answer it.

OS is well known for being a Kefka fanboy. People are assuming Kefka must be in this game and are using old game meta on how to find him (aka his infamous laugh). Cello is trying to get people to avoid laughing or using its well known acronym to narrow down who may be Kefka.

I am saying that I think Kefka is probably not in this game based on our opening post stating the game is after Kefka's fall. Also, inserting the phrase "Rapid mud pies" instead of using laughing is no different than simply laughing. Making a new acronym for the exact same action is no different than doing the original action.

@Tanny - What experience have you had? You should be careful about hand holding... no one should be helping you like that. I can't help you. You must look within for answers. Does that make sense?[/collapse]

Experience in forum mafia? About a handful of games. Hand holding? This is my first time.

I'm not blindly following Cello or even J, but what I know of their game play they are playing like town. Still gonna be keeping my eye out for danger though. I'm not stupid or a stupid player.