FF6 Mafia - GAME OVER! Mafia wins!

[BSL]

@bsl: why'd you italicize the words "trust me". How serious were you when you called me scum?

i italicized 'trust me' because it looked more sinister that way. i wanted it to sound very sinister.

i wasnt serious at all. that whole post was a joke. aside from the fact that i had read my role PM.



currently i am really confused. can someone explain what is up with cello's orders? i dont necessarily object to doing what he says, i just have no idea why he's saying it.

 

[#HBC | J]

@J: If you break that restriction at a time where it actually matters, I will dickslap you, and not in the fun loving kinda way we usually do it.

I really do need to work on this restriction though I think it is just plain silly. Kupo! (I love doing it though now xD)

J, how about you make your posting restriction part of your sig? That should make all your posts safe from now on. I would hate for you to quiet up now that we've finally got you talking. I don't want you to die because then I'll never see you smile. ;_;

D: I can't make it part of my sig but I can be irresistibly annoying with it to make me remember. Kupo!

sidenote: I'm gonna laugh if J gets seven more posting restrictions and gets modlynched.

Seriously with the way I am it is a definite possibility. I think I got the hang of it though. Kupo!

Cello, DH is town.

Will post other stuff later.

Would really like to hear this as to why he is town. Especially with the heat he is taking. Kupo!

J, hunnymuffin, whatcha thinking? don't forget your restriction

Thinking about who to put my vote down on. I really just don't know at the current time even though DH is looking like he is getting the brunt of Cello. I need to hear from Zen before I state anything on DH. Kupo!

Tandora, what's the latest game that you played where you won as scum and you think you did a good job? If you don't mind me asking.

I've never won a forum game as scum.

Last game you played as scum, then.

Why are you trying to dig stuff up on Tanny Nabe? Do you believe you have a scum read on her and wanna double check in another game to see if your read is correct? Idk I found this a little fishy. Tanny even asked you to try and refrain from asking for meta and you replied with telling her you will follow her....weird is all.

@Cello: Goodness dude talk about hitting the ground running. o_O" Are you positive that DH should already die D1 even though the game just started today (literally)? Especially since we have not heard from others and still have time to look. Should he be lynched or should we hone in on weeding out some of the inactives? We may need to cool this steam on the DH wagon because look how fast it caught afire and the day JUST started. Let us find more out with the day but cool the jets a little alright. You flung us out of RVS and straight into the game. I do like what your doing so far however it seems I may have to keep you in check with making people do your bidding as in voting, listening to you blindly, and your orders. ^^ Just a heads up for ya. Compared to Oddworld this game will be alot different. Cello give me your thoughts on Meta-Kirby and Tanny.

@X1/Tanny/Swiss: Handholding buddies apparantly. Whatcha thinking? All three of you are on the DH wagon. Should I hop on as well since 3 of my hands are already there? I would prefer not to yet. If DH were to flip town and you three were still on the wagon then'd i might have to cut one of my hands. I am liking Tanny's and X1's hands the best at the moment.

@Zen/rPSI/Seph: I would like to hear from you guys. Where do your thoughts stand and what do you think of the current debate?

@Inferiority/Nabe/Dark Horse: I have not really seen much of your guy's play before nor have I played a game where you were in it. Why should I trust you guys? What are your reads on GLG and each other?

@People who follow Cello blindy: Kupo! Do not do that. Come on, man if you guys listen that easily then if scum get their hands on you in MYLO or LYLO then town is screwed. Only listen if there is substancial evidence behind what he is saying or solid reasoning.

@Everyone: To those of you who automatically considered me town due to my restriction makes me sad. Shame on you guys. Just because I have a restriction does not gaureentee me 100% as town. Please remember this if other restrictions pop up. Yes it is blantantly obvious that I have a restriction but really it entails nothing whatsoever.

@GLG/BSL: Nailed you two last time I wonder if I can do it again :3c Also I am noticing a similar problem. I do not like both of your posts so far. =/

Unvote
Vote: GLG

Any questions feel free to ask. ;D

Kupo! Kupo! Kupo!

 

[Xivii]

Eh I'd rather get at this Monday when I'm on a CPU. There's a lot I want to quote, but I've done a lot already today and I have work to do. But don't worry I'll probably end up contributing more than a lot of you because my role sucks.

But yeah DH is town. X1 isn't necessarily scum for not picking up on it, but him thinking DH is scum is pretty wack unless he has an ability that leads him to that conclusion. I feel confident in my DH meta now that I have actually seen his scum play.

 

[Xivii]

lol J this is looking familiar.

 

[#HBC | J]

How so Zen :o?

Kupo!

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Holy crap this game is active, I'm gone for one day and 10 pages pop up!

The days which are wrapped in the scene of summer and to pass gently
An encounter with the girls repeated in the sunlight
Summer continues to where as well
She is waiting in the air.

Consider this selective breadcrumbing. Very.

Feel free to ignore these questions if you feel they give out too much info.

Does this pertain to your role/roles of others? Is this another posting restriction like J's "Kupo!"?

@Sephiroths Masamune: You get to pick the D1 lynch if Dark Horse is cooperative. Who will it be?

RMP what?

I've never played with you before, but it seems like this is your "normal play".

Why do you choose me of all players to choose the lynch target? Why are you chooseing to give out orders? Iirc you said that you couldn't vote for anyone. Did I misunderstand that, or am I correct?

I figured you would find something, then, when the spotlights on me, I would screw up and get lynched.




Mainly because you had just told a bunch of people to lynch a townie. And you were confident about it (you seemed to never consider if nabe turned out town)

Why would you be worried if you would "screw up" or not if your a townie?

Saying that your a townie and any person who goes after you is scum isn't really a defense. All it does is make you look desperate.

DP your acting really dumb this game. (Or do you play this way every game?)

 

[BSL]

what's the problem, J?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

@GLG/BSL: Nailed you two last time I wonder if I can do it again :3c Also I am noticing a similar problem. I do not like both of your posts so far. =/

Unvote
Vote: GLG

Any questions feel free to ask. ;D

Kupo! Kupo! Kupo!

What are the chances they both get a scum role again?

 

[#HBC | J]

who's with me on a vanderzant wagon? he's scum. trust me

@bsl: why'd you italicize the words "trust me". How serious were you when you called me scum?

i italicized 'trust me' because it looked more sinister that way. i wanted it to sound very sinister.

i wasnt serious at all. that whole post was a joke. aside from the fact that i had read my role PM.

currently i am really confused. can someone explain what is up with cello's orders? i dont necessarily object to doing what he says, i just have no idea why he's saying it.

More or less it's the way you post with you always saying you joke around when posting. I just don't know what to think. You did that in All-Stars and also you said for people to tell you in Zelda Mafia to stop ya if you seem too jokey.

Also it has been explained beforehand that this is how Cello normally plays. Another point in you saying you have absolutely no idea what he is saying is kindof empty. You have to have some idea as to what he is saying.

Overall atm BSL I just don't like the way you post ^^" Sorry that's just me. Can you give your thoughts on X1 and Inferior?

@Seph: Since it is a variable i have no clue what the chances would be. But both of them again it is very unlikely but not impossible. Not really what I was getting at with that though Seph. =P

Kupo! Kupo! Kupo!

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Why are you trying to dig stuff up on Tanny Nabe? Do you believe you have a scum read on her and wanna double check in another game to see if your read is correct? Idk I found this a little fishy. Tanny even asked you to try and refrain from asking for meta and you replied with telling her you will follow her....weird is all.

"Dig up" is an odd verb to use.

I think I made it pretty clear already, I like reading other games. The intent isn't to get meta per se. For the sake of the here and now though, I do want to know about the personalities in the game, so any reading material on that is great. ToS in particular is turning out to be a great read, more on that shortly.

As for GLG, I have a scum vibe, but it's a general scum vibe that I get in every game I play with GLG so I'm not setting any weight on it. (And I can certainly back this up with offsite links if you like.) I've given my opinion on DH, and I'm very curious to hear what Zen has to say about DH scum meta when he gets the chance. And IC, I like much more than DH, from what little I've read of Castlevania, but obviously let's not get into currently running games. He does need to post more in this game, specifically content, but I'm sure he'll do that when he returns to the thread. In other games he seems to keep consistent activity so IMO it's just a matter of waiting until he gets back online sometime today.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Tandora:
You state in ToS that you don't like self-voters. Does that still hold true?
If so, does it bother you if it's done jokingly? For that matter, what's your policy on humour in Mafia?

@Swiss:
Holy hell, Tales of Symphonia. I read D1, checked the roles and I'm ending there.
D1, Chaco v. you. Would you play that situation the same way again? What about if you had been town?

 

[BSL]

More or less it's the way you post with you always saying you joke around when posting. I just don't know what to think. You did that in All-Stars and also you said for people to tell you in Zelda Mafia to stop ya if you seem too jokey.

ok, yeah, i get it, i guess. less jokey, then? (thanks for telling me in Zelda, when i asked... jk[last unserious comment, btw])

Also it has been explained beforehand that this is how Cello normally plays.

being standard isnt a reason. i breathe all the time, but saying "oh i always do it" when asked why isnt a real answer. the answer to why i breathe all the time is "it is necessary to live"

why is cello ordering us around like this? and if he does it all the time, how are we supposed to know if he is mafia? do we just do what he says until we decide we're going to lose otherwise?

Another point in you saying you have absolutely no idea what he is saying is kindof empty. You have to have some idea as to what he is saying.

i didnt say that i dont know what he is saying. i said i didnt know why he was saying it. like, why does seph get to choose? why does DH have to vote for who he says? etc, etc.

also, i forgot to ask when i talked to cello earlier. at the end of his post, he said if anyone didnt understand to say so.

why'd you have a problem with it? i mean, cello did tell us to tell him.

Overall atm BSL I just don't like the way you post ^^" Sorry that's just me. Can you give your thoughts on X1 and Inferior?

incom is meh

i find it strange that X1 'knows' DH's alignment and told us that he knew. rather than breadcrumb it, or just tell us straight up. i would like to know how you know, if it doesnt hurt town.

alzo, zen said that DH is town. how do you know that, zen? what do you say to x1's claim that DH is scum?

 

[Swiss]

Zen, why?

Nabe, never mention that game to me again. I learn from my mistakes.

X1, who's scum? Is Cello Kefka?

 

[X1-12]

@Mod: Do Mod votes carry across game Days?

I see skimming from atleast BSL, Seph, GLG and Tan - c'mon people just read the thread

What are the chances they both get a scum role again?

Why are you talking about chances like this? its just as likely as any two players getting a scum role. You should also be more concerned with with scumhunting. This is terrible play and I'm pretty sure I've seen you play better.

Unvote
Vote: Seph

@X1/Tanny/Swiss: Handholding buddies apparantly. Whatcha thinking? All three of you are on the DH wagon. Should I hop on as well since 3 of my hands are already there? I would prefer not to yet. If DH were to flip town and you three were still on the wagon then'd i might have to cut one of my hands. I am liking Tanny's and X1's hands the best at the moment.

I'ma thinking DH should definitely go, I'll explain in a sec

But yeah DH is town. X1 isn't necessarily scum for not picking up on it, but him thinking DH is scum is pretty wack unless he has an ability that leads him to that conclusion. I feel confident in my DH meta now that I have actually seen his scum play.

This is @ every who asked me about DH
This is NOT how new players react to Cello when the first encounter him. As soon as I saw this I knew he was scum.

This isn't soviet russia, you know.

Fine.

Vote: Nabe

If he flips town, you are dead.

The first one surprised me that he didn't say anything more confrontational, then the second one reeks of being told to listen to cello by a scumbuddy. No joke. Even without the massive 180 the second post alone would confirm his scummity in my eyes

I don't get how you failed to see this Cello. I know DH is scum, I kept it to myself because bending him to town's will would probably be easier when he thinks we all think he's town.

I'm really curious about this. You say DH is town and then you say DH is scum but I wanted to pretend he was town. That's pretty useless for town. I am curious for an explanation from you.[/QUOTE]

I don't remember ever calling DH town, if I did can you quote it?

I don't get how you failed to see this Cello. I know DH is scum, I kept it to myself because bending him to town's will would probably be easier when he thinks we all think he's town.

X1, who's scum? Is Cello Kefka?

eh, Cello could be Kefka I guess, not gonna call it now though.

DH and Nabe are scum, DH for reasons I've just explained, Nabe because he's playing so terrible and I saw him play well for the brief period he was in MM mafia, He kinda reminds me of Dastrn's scum play in Villains i.e completely crap.

Actually

Unvote
Vote: Dark Horse

Seph doesn't compare to that guy, although I'd like him copped if either DH or nabe flip scum

 

[Cello_Marl]

@X1: I've completed FF6 around 10 times on the SNES, give or take a couple. I intentionally chose the breadcrumb I did because I do not wish for everyone to understand it. Those that can, did. There will be nothing else.

I don't get how you failed to see this Cello. I know DH is scum, I kept it to myself because bending him to town's will would probably be easier when he thinks we all think he's town.

This is the stupidest thing I've ever read.

@Swiss: About Xatres, quit it. If Xatres exercises good judgment in who should be lynched, then that's fine. When and IF he decides to start ****ing up, THEN you may attack him.

@Xatres: You have no opinions that you wish to express via your vote at this time, correct? If we were to get down to the wire on time, would you be willing to lynch Dark Horse? If so, since there is no true difference between NOT having your vote on Dark Horse and voting for him since you can easily unvote if he gets too uncomfortably close to a lynch, would you be willing to indulge me and place your vote on him for the time being?

@MK: Look at the brass ones on you! Taking such a hard stance against Xatres must make you so proud. And then GLG. Easy mode is for elementary school kids. Die in obscurity. (Wait, wrong game)

@vanderzant: Can I get in on that vand/Swiss alliance action? That'll save time. Also, about your crumb question, the answer is "no". I appreciate your conservation of time and effort. I have never played with DH before.

@GLG: You get the Swiss treatment this time around. Gambler's fallacy and all that. Join the Human Dignity bloc. Vote for Dark Horse. He kills people.

@Nabe: Between X1 and DH, who do you think is more likely to have a scum PR? Also, SRB? Soaring-Raptor-Blast? Or something else? Also, can you ask GLG to vote for DH for me? I tried, and we'll see if he does so, but if not then he'll probably respond positively to you.

@J: Yes, DH must die. Inactives don't exist. You will not keep me in check. MK is not mafia, although he is probably indy. Tandora is town, or else scum would know who I am. You did not ask, but X1 is scum. I cannot stress this enough. I seem to remember that people following me blindly won Oddworld with only a single mislynch. When BSL flips scum, are you willing to accept that GLG is town?

@SephMasa: I have no posting restriction; Tandora was mistaken. I said it was selective breadcrumbing; I cannot breadcrumb roles I do not know, so it must be mine. Anything else would be tantamount to a pre-game established system or code. A no-no.

I chose you to choose a lynch target because you exist. It's just as well a reason as any. Let me take this moment to assure you that, no matter what you might think, it is more important that you convince me that your alignment is town than for you to be able to get a good read on me. Both are important, of course.

I give orders because I wish to see how much actual control I can exert. I'm seeing more and more that people must be influenced in ways that make them feel as though they are responsible for what they do. Things can never be simple, can they? Why do people not wish to simply win? Fear, fear of looking foolish, fear that the mob may come for them, or my personal fear, feast upon itself. Some people snicker at that fear. I see their smiles.

Hmm. Concerning your last question, first, I must ask, what would you think if I lied to you? I already know the answer I intend to give, but I wish to know your thoughts so that I may word it properly.

For now, it is appropriate to say that I am comfortable with the direction that you have chosen to take.

@BSL:

why is cello ordering us around like this? and if he does it all the time, how are we supposed to know if he is mafia? do we just do what he says until we decide we're going to lose otherwise?

I will give you a different answer. I choose to give orders because it whips certain towns into shape. This is a town that will ultimately respond positively to my discipline, provided I do not attempt to micromanage too much and properly rely upon the support of my allies. YOU already know that I am not mafia. Everyone else will know that I am not when I deliver all (probably) 4 of your heads to them. I've always found a good rule of thumb to be "Follow Cello until he leads town into 2 mislynches". I'm biased, however.



Why X1 and DH are scum: A Primer to Scum Thought
--------------------------------------------------------------

Starting from Post #91, timestamped 2:39 PM. Let's say DH refreshed at that moment, and it took him about him about 6-7 minutes to read and digest the information present in it and then formulate an opinion, which was the time of his first response. That would mean that he wasn't aware of my #93, where I suggest voting for Nabe, which is reasonable enough. One minute later, he places his opportunistic vote on Nabe. This has been mentioned.

Think about it. In that one minute, he had to 1) reverse his implied opinion that I don't have the authority to command his vote, 2) decide that he was willing to place a vote that he had no intention of sticking to (unless he lied later in post #127) and 3) come to the conclusion that if Nabe is town, I must be scum without already having that impression (or else he would have said as such in post #95. This point is further strengthened from post #127, where DH suggested that my confidence [which indicated to DH that I never considered if Nabe were town] was a factor in his interest in wishing to vote for me, something he probably did not know for post #91).

NO townie does that. I'd be willing to say that DH COULDN'T.

Further, DH decides in #105 to try to explain himself to MK. He basically said that his primary concern was his own safety, in that he thought that I would be able to get everyone to vote for him. If this were so, why the threat that I would be dead next? Why would DH deliberately provoke the person that he felt was dangerous to him at the time? His explanation is clearly a lie.

Post #108 finds DH unvoting, about twenty minutes after his initial vote, and very shortly after X1 arrives on the scene. This could easily have been X1 asking him what the hell he was doing and telling him to back off. There was nothing in-thread that should have prompted DH to change his opinions and therefore unvote. The only thing that X1 said to him was that he should try to question people, which is hardly asking him to unvote. If MK's request for an explanation, and a subsequent theoretical DH reexamination of his own beliefs was the cause, DH would have unvoted in post #105, 7 minutes before his actual unvote. But this did not occur.

I already spoke of DH's hypersensitivity toward Swiss's vote against him, but it bears repeating and a further expansion based upon later events. X1 voted for DH and suggested that he put his vote back on Nabe while quoting DH's question to Swiss. THIS MAKES NO SENSE. And yet, DH says nothing in response. Why get antsy at Swiss? Why did he say nothing to X1? Oh, Nabe said the same thing. Excellent. Then, in #128, DH's sensitivity shines once more when he asks Nabe about his vote on him. Yet, when X1 virtually accuses him of being scum in #158, or worse, an actual vote in #161, the SECOND time this has happened, DH has nothing bad to say about X1. No questions. Nothing.

One detects sub-background noise acoustical signatures by the presence of absence. When there is nothing when there should be something, there is something.



J is town on a practical level because scum would not be given such an easily failed posting restriction. As the player-role selection is random, no mod would want to see their work go to ruin due to some bungler ****ing things up. Town is damaged less so by a single person's ineptitude.

Tandora is town because she was offered what she felt was a genuine solution to J's problem of posting within the restraints placed upon him. This could be an attempt to garner the support of a townie, however, Tandora and J already forged an alliance of sorts before the game's commencement. Such an attempt would be wasted.

I will not comment on my reasoning for InCom's town alignment for now.

Meta-Kirby is not mafia. He has, at worst, that enviable anti-town position called "independent" which can legitimately scum-hunt. I must question his action against DH...while I agree whole-heartedly with his anti-DH sentiments, DH is admittedly a very easy target. Further, his vote on me was unwarranted and useless as Swiss outlines in post #133. It serves no purpose, disproves nothing.

Nabe is town because I say so it's pretty obvious. A DH scum flip virtually guarantees it. Cello-Rule 11a states "Bussing does not occur on page 1". Besides, the way Nabe signed up wouldn't be an effective bus.

Zen is delusional, but town. He wouldn't stick his neck out the way he did for such a worthless scummate. I don't know why he chose to laugh though.

Town Swiss? Sure, why not.

SephMasa and Xatres can be provisional townies. They should vote for Dark Horse.

Anyone up for DH & Nabe D1 + D2? I think Nabe is trying to paint me connected to DH because he knows DH will flip scum and wants to get something out of it

Irony is entertaining and metallic.

 

[Cello_Marl]

RocketPSIence is tentatively the fourth scum, if there is a fourth. An investigation of that player would be ideal. A vigilante shot would be much more useful against X1.

Let's end the Day.

 

[vanderzant]

I'm back home for good, but gotta digest this thread.

@Cello: Thought so. Reading your #215.

@Swiss: why you ignoring me bro.

 

[Swiss]

All correct, save the point on Zen.

@ Vanz ofc we're holding hands. You should say yes to Cello as well. He bares grudges.

 

[Swiss]

Ninja'd.

I finally got a town role, Vanz, let's do this

Btw Cop's sanity is probably 'sane'. FYI.

Windmills.

 

[vanderzant]

Ok cool. btw what's ofc stand for? I never knew.

 

[Swiss]

Of course.

 

[Swiss]

Should have answered this too:

X1 always parrots me. He told me once he often can't get good reads D1, I told him once to parrot me and he stuck with it every game, uses it to double my pressure - works for me. He has solid reads now, though. Cello tries to apply logic to X1, though - which is a mistake. He's changed his style a lot this game - why? He's never attacked Cello like this before. Why? Going loud? Defensive? Null. Different.

He's about to post anyway - that'll clear it up.

 

[vanderzant]

@J: Who is following cello blindly in your opinion?

Meta-Kirby is not mafia. He has, at worst, that enviable anti-town position called "independent" which can legitimately scum-hunt. I must question his action against DH...while I agree whole-heartedly with his anti-DH sentiments, DH is admittedly a very easy target. Further, his vote on me was unwarranted and useless as Swiss outlines in post #133. It serves no purpose, disproves nothing.

First line should read "Mk is not scum aligned with Dark Horse" imo. He can be awkward though, if he's town I'll probably know by the end of the day (assumuming the day doesn't end right now). Also I disagree with your reasoning on Tanny, it could just be coincidence, but I don't think it's indicative of Tanny's alignment regardless. A lot of that seems spot on tbh.

@Nabe: have you played with Swiss before? Do you realise he's almost always scum? Why the blatant buddying?

So many people misinterpreting how others play and calling it scummy.

Vote: Dark Horse

9 people to lynch seems like so many.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Don't forget 141, dear.

141 is swiss remembering previous events that caused him to change his opinion on you. Why did you ignore my question though?

@GLG/BSL: Nailed you two last time I wonder if I can do it again :3c Also I am noticing a similar problem. I do not like both of your posts so far. =/ [/COLOR]

Unvote
Vote: GLG

I am acknowledging your vote but I'm assuming the proper reasoning will come when it's needed so I will not ask you a question about this.

I finally got a town role, Vanz, let's do this

read: hai guis i'm town lolzz

@Cello: I'll hammer DH. Also, why did you find it necessary to post a town list this early in the game?

 

[Overswarm]

@Mod: Do Mod votes carry across game Days?

Permanent votes do. Check the rules.

Votecount:

rPSI (1) - J
J (2) - MOD, MOD
Dark Horse (5) - Swiss, Nabe, Tandora, X1-12, Vanderzant
Cello Marl (3) - InferiorityComplex, Dark Horse, Meta-Kirby


With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch
A deadline has been set for Tuesday, November 23rd at 3 p.m., EST.

 

[Swiss]

@ mod can we be cheeky and have a 'not voting' part as well in the mod count? Thx

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Why would you be worried if you would "screw up" or not if your a townie?

Because it would get me lynched.

Saying that your a townie and any person who goes after you is scum isn't really a defense. All it does is make you look desperate.

Er....wut? Where have I said "anyone who votes for me is scum"?Even what you quoted doesn't say "everyone who votes me=scum"

 

[Tandora]

@X1/Tanny/Swiss: Handholding buddies apparantly. Whatcha thinking? All three of you are on the DH wagon. Should I hop on as well since 3 of my hands are already there? I would prefer not to yet. If DH were to flip town and you three were still on the wagon then'd i might have to cut one of my hands. I am liking Tanny's and X1's hands the best at the moment.

I am on the DH wagon because I asked Cello for handholding and I trust him. In return I have to show that I'm trustworthy to him. I would like to think he wouldn't say he would hold hands if he was scum, but if I am wrong, I'll know not to trust him again.

Essentially, J, you need to do what you would do as town. That's what Cello is looking for, although he would prefer for people to just listen to him. Honestly, if people are worried about Cello's alignment, Cop just needs to investigate him.

What are the chances they both get a scum role again?

This is a logical fallacy. It's an easy one to make and god knows I fall to it every now and then. But you cannot look at previous games to decide if someone is scum. Every time we flip a coin, it is always going to be 50% chance of heads. Over time, we can see a history of if a coin is more likely to favor heads, but that doesn't change the reality of the chance is always 50%.

I don't remember ever calling DH town, if I did can you quote it?

When I looked back, I saw you said you knew his alignment. I misread that as you knew he was town. I hate to say this, but I was wrong.


@ Cello, I meant Voting restriction instead of posting restriction. >_<

I see your point about DH's two posts. His 180 appears to have been preplanned because there wasn't enough time to have changed his mind.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Unvote, vote: GLG

I was going to do this last night, when either nabe or tandora had pointed out that GLG had skimmed, not knowing what RMP meant

 

[Xatres]

@Xatres: You have no opinions that you wish to express via your vote at this time, correct? If we were to get down to the wire on time, would you be willing to lynch Dark Horse? If so, since there is no true difference between NOT having your vote on Dark Horse and voting for him since you can easily unvote if he gets too uncomfortably close to a lynch, would you be willing to indulge me and place your vote on him for the time being?

Frankly, I find a 16 player game a bit chaotic, so part of my hesitancy to take a stand stems from that. I actually bumped my posts per page up to 30 for this game just so the incredible number of posts wouldn't let irritating.

Having just read through the topic again (took an hour) I can say that I'm getting a certain amount of scumminess from X1, mainly due to his yet-be-explained references to having some kind of investigative ability.

If he's a VT just screwing around, then he's hurting town by drawing suspicion to himself. VT's should never lie about having PR's, as people can usually figure out that there's some kind of deception going on and end up lynching him. This JUST HAPPENED to me in a game on MafiaScum. It's very frustrating.

If he's a PR, then he's either a) a town-PR asking to be NKed or b) a scum trying to look like he's asking to be NKed so people will leave him alone.

Another part of my problem comes from post #126, when Nabe makes a big case against X1 and then votes for DH. Some people are satisfied with his explanation, others aren't. Personally, I'm wondering if his vote wasn't forced onto DH, and he made the case against X1 so exaggerated to people would get the hint. Not sure how to verify this though.

However, with that vote going against DH, I'm hesitant to vote for him myself, even just for pressure. IF Nabe's vote was coerced, then it make DH less likely to be scum in my eyes. (I know the politician is usually indy.)

That being said, I'll put my vote on X1 for now.

Vote: X1

More coming in a bit.

 

[Xatres]

The second issue I'd like to bring to light is this:

(fixed) Vote Count:

Swiss (1) - Meta-Kirby,
rPSI (1) - J
J (2) - MOD, MOD
Dark Horse (4) - Swiss, X1-12, Nabe, Tandora
Cello Marl (3) - InferiorityComplex, Dark Horse, Meta-Kirby

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch
A deadline has been set for Tuesday, November 23rd at 3 p.m., EST.

Notice where I bolded. This was supposed to be a fixed vote, and MK is voting twice. Later, MK unvotes with the explanation that he's thinking of switching to DH.

Unvote

Getting closer to that DH vote.

And then in our most recent vote-count...

@Mod: Do Mod votes carry across game Days?

Permanent votes do. Check the rules.

Votecount:

rPSI (1) - J
J (2) - MOD, MOD
Dark Horse (5) - Swiss, Nabe, Tandora, X1-12, Vanderzant
Cello Marl (3) - InferiorityComplex, Dark Horse, Meta-Kirby


With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch
A deadline has been set for Tuesday, November 23rd at 3 p.m., EST.

MK's vote for Cello still hasn't come off, despite his unvote earlier. He also hasn't switched his vote to DH yet.

What I'm wondering is... is this a mod mistake or is MK a doublevoter?

@MOD: Care to clear this up for us?

 

[M.K]

My biggest problem with DH, and the real reason I'm more inclined to vote for him, is because he refuses to make a defense It's not simply the fact that he doesn't address points against him but he completelyyy disregards them and just trundles on. I think he's being coached by another scummate, but flounders when he can't get in touch with that scummate.

Unvote Vote: Dark Horse

 

[M.K]

Xastres that doesn't even make sense, it's a mod mistake.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

So I finally got back to my computer from after the tournament I was at yesterday and I find 6 pages.

I'll read through it soon. g2g atm...

 

[giraffelasergun]

Unvote, vote: GLG

I was going to do this last night, when either nabe or tandora had pointed out that GLG had skimmed, not knowing what RMP meant

Is anyone going to tell me what random mud pies means?

 

[M.K]

Maybe if you didn't skim, you'd know what it means. It's rather vital, as well.

 

[Swiss]

So it is vital, MK?

Good good.

 

[giraffelasergun]

nvm I got it.

 

[Xatres]

So it is vital, MK?

Good good.

Swiss, MK just voted without RMP. I think it's safe to say that if Kefka is in the game, then either a) it's not MK or b) he's got different posting restrictions than in Villains.

@MK: I realize it's probably just a mistake, but I'd like OS to clear it up just in case. You can't be too careful.

Follow-up: Why did you wait until someone pointed out that you hadn't yet voted for DH to make the actual vote?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Nabe: Between X1 and DH, who do you think is more likely to have a scum PR? Also, SRB? Soaring-Raptor-Blast? Or something else? Also, can you ask GLG to vote for DH for me? I tried, and we'll see if he does so, but if not then he'll probably respond positively to you.

Taking the assumption that they're scumbuds, X1 is more likely to be a PR between the two because otherwise X1 wouldn't be casting DH to the winds. SRB is Soaring-Raptor-Blast, who I know from AiB. His presence would have effectively made me a doublevoter; he's sort of the X1 to my Swiss. To the last part, GLG said he'd hammer DH so I guess that's settled.

141 is swiss remembering previous events that caused him to change his opinion on you. Why did you ignore my question though?

Because I wanted your opinion on 141 first. Now, I have a question for you: have you recently had a traumatic experience or other perspective-changing live event that would alter how you play Werewolf? Question, part b; are you under control by a Yeerk or similar mind-controlling alien?

Feel free not to answer those. Replies all around shortly.