FF6 Mafia - GAME OVER! Mafia wins!

[Cello_Marl]

Zen, use your flush vote on me. That will make it 5/4. Then, when BSL and Incom coordinate a hammer, BSL can vote for either me or J to get it to 5/5, depending on what X1 has done in the meantime.

 

[Xivii]

M-K living through the night is bad. He can do his scum actions, and giving him another day just allows him to continue to evade us. So far you have shown little concern with lynching/killing him and you're so stuborn. I don't want to allow someone that I have such a strong read on live because the keep on living and causing damage. People just down my opinions and it's hella annoying. I'm not dellusional and I'm tired of being treated as so.

I trust Swiss and his ability to read X1. Swiss said he will explain his read when he gets confirmation by X1s responce which is why we should wait. We are flush voting J so X1 wont have much influence if he tries to pull something. And if he does, I will counter it out.

 

[Xivii]

b *

 

[Xivii]

That was at 1117.

 

[Xivii]

Also we still don't know if he will quote the logs. I don't trust J as you do Cello.

 

[#HBC | J]

Why do you not trust me Zen?

You keep on saying this but never explain why.

Kupo!

 

[M.K]

Would you like me to switch my vote?

 

[M.K]

People just down my opinions and it's hella annoying. I'm not dellusional and I'm tired of being treated as so.

I'm not downing your opinion at all, but I can tell you that it's completely wrong. I'm really not sure which meta you are basing this off of, because you seem to be alluding that you have some horrifically powerful meta that convicts me as scum, but I ASSURE you, you are wrong, and that's why you are being looked over and we are moving on.

 

[Xivii]

Why do you not trust me Zen?

You keep on saying this but never explain why.

Kupo!

I think I've only said that two times.

-You've lied twice now.
-You think X1is scum; X1 think's you're scum. I like X1 more.
-You said you needed to die eventually and you would know when. This is the best time for you to die, but you're trying really hard to live.
-You're being super aggro. YesterDay you were super not. And you've stated a couple of times that the game was boring because of your posting restriction which is just an odd thing to say and sounds more like you just needed an excuse. Making your words pink every post takes about the same amount of work than posting 5 letters. I just don't see how having to post kupo would make the game boring and thus why you were not posting before.

You ask as if I should have reason to trust you.

 

[Xivii]

The "thus why you were not posting before" should be right after "restriction".

 

[Xivii]

M-K as town, you're not that confident and are more proactive. As scum you are reserved and make sure everything you say is perfect. I've known how to read you since dgames. You were so scummy then because you were not confident and second guessed everything you did because you were knowledgeless. But I know you just play messy as town and I knew you were town in Villians for those reasons. When you are scum you are knowledgable and thus confident in what you say and do. I knew you were scum in Mario Kart for this reason. It's a major leap from Geass, but the essential part of your play is still there. When you're scum you go into cruise mode and just make comments here and there. If I'm wrong, then I will shun myself from mafia forever, but I am so certain I am not.

 

[X1-12]

FUUUUUUUUU

Slave crown

Unvote
Vote: X1-12

I can't change my vote till end of day but also have to change my vote/not vote same person twice. So basically whenever I post toDay I get a MOD vote. Its worth noting the previous incarnation of this ability it could only be used if you were being voted for, so look at everyone who I voted for between 2 votecounts.

I'm not posting again toDay Unless its to hammer DH (and die from bomb) If this is going to be the case you will have to take some votes off me so I don't die when I get the MOD vote

@Swiss: I know by the things he was saying in the QT that he was scum. He didn't claim scum but I'm 100% sure in my mind. wrt his #1012: he didn't lie he's just horrbily wrong. The connection of hated -> raging is stupid as hated is definitely an existing role in this game which can be used for either faction. and Raging is just a term for my vote restriction I beleive (dunno if its been used before). When I asked about an adjective before his name it was because DH claimed Cyan, Town roleblocker, and I thought if me and J both had adjectives it would help clear up if DH is scum or not. Theres a whole paragraph there basically pondering on mod-meta


@MK: You only think my play is all over the place since I've had to vote for different people in every post (and in D1 I was trying to hide the restriction). You also say I'm not following up the J outing himself to me, thats because I was asleep, K?

@Cello: I refuse to get modkilled on principle, but also because you don't know what the punishment will be, I may live but OS does something to really hurt town.

I strongly suggest you rush DH up to L-1 and get J killed via flush7

 

[vanderzant]

@MOD: I am going to be V/LA from tomorrow until Sunday in US time. Please do not prod or modkill me during my absence.

Deadline isn't until Dec 2nd so I'll be back before then, assuming the day isn't done.

 

[Swiss]

X1 if that was to be your last post you should have answered the question I asked you PRECISELY. What you did spectacularly failed and I'd let you die just for that. I'll assume you're town though. I wanted to know precisely were he stated incorrect FACTS.

MK is scum, Zen is probably scum. J and X1 are both town, assuming Cello's J read is accurate.

I no longer care who dies provided MK or Zen hammer DH, the other can be killed by rPSI. J might as well die but it'd be a waste.

Also Cello if you ever just wait for me to log off and then push your way again... >_<

 

[Overswarm]

Votecount:
J (3) - MOD, MOD, MOD,
Meta-Kirby (1) - Zen,
Darkhorse (3) - Vanderzant, Meta-Kirby, Dark Horse,
X1-12 (6) - MOD, J, Xatres, Nabe, RocketPSIence, X1-12

Not Voting - Cello_Marl, BSL, giraffeslasergun, Swiss, InferiorityComplex,

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Thursday, December 2nd, at 3:00 p.m. EST.

7-Flush Vote Count:
J (5) - Nabe, Swiss, Xatres, X1-12, Dark Horse,
Cello (3) - J, Inferiority Complex, Vanderzant,

7-Flush vote ends the same point the day ends.

X1-12 has broken a posting restriction and has been given a punishment.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Mod: X1 didn't say "Kupo!" in post #1132. Did he break a posting restriction and thus gain a MOD vote?

If X1 doesn't get a MOD vote from post #1132, then that's yet another lie.

 

[Xatres]

@Zen: We know either X1 or J must be scum, because X1 is saying that J has all but admitted to it in their QT. Unless X1 is town AND lying, then one of them must be scum. I think X1 is smart enough not to lie as town, because that always ends badly for town.

@Cello: Are you saying you want J to live now? Can you please stop changing the plan over and over again?

If X1 flips town, J is almost certainly scum.

If X1 flips scum, then J is most likely town, but still needs to die eventually because of all the modvotes that will be a liability later. Also, J could still be scum, because he and X1 could be scumbuddies running a gambit.

I still think our best bet is to just kill the both of them toDay. We're all but guaranteed to hit scum and be left with only two anti-town players left to find.

 

[Cello_Marl]

X1 has lied as town before, plus there is also technically the possibility of mistake, which could make them both town. I don't really believe that though.

 

[Xatres]

I'm still most comfortable with both of them dying.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Lynch, lynch, doc-prot vig kill, nk = 10
Lynch, doc-prot vig suicide, nk = 7

That's fine then.

J, we're going to let you die so we get back to an odd number of players, okay?

 

[M.K]

M-K as town, you're not that confident and are more proactive. As scum you are reserved and make sure everything you say is perfect. I've known how to read you since dgames. You were so scummy then because you were not confident and second guessed everything you did because you were knowledgeless. But I know you just play messy as town and I knew you were town in Villians for those reasons. When you are scum you are knowledgable and thus confident in what you say and do. I knew you were scum in Mario Kart for this reason. It's a major leap from Geass, but the essential part of your play is still there. When you're scum you go into cruise mode and just make comments here and there. If I'm wrong, then I will shun myself from mafia forever, but I am so certain I am not.

I've evolved from DGames. I'm more confident all around in my playstyle. DGames was a terrible embarrassment for me. I've learned that you've gotta be forceful with your opinion before trying to convince anyone to join your side. It's not a meta on my "messy town play", cuz you're comparing it to 1 Game where my reads were out the wazoo.
Why would you say I wasn't confident in Villians? I was plenty confident, I moved towards a scum lynch. I'm playing a confident game, yes, but that's definitely not my scum tell.

Don't say you'll shun yourself, dude, I don't want it to come true >_>

 

[M.K]

@MK: You only think my play is all over the place since I've had to vote for different people in every post (and in D1 I was trying to hide the restriction). You also say I'm not following up the J outing himself to me, thats because I was asleep, K?

Bull****. You made your accusation post at (my timestamp) 4:19 PM. You didn't announce that you were going to bed until 5:21 PM. That gives you an hour to continue your argument. Inter-argument, you dropped the subject as well. Potentially the greatest weapon, a scum claim, dropped?

Yeah, I really think you are scum.

Unvote Vote: X1-12

 

[Swiss]

Right.

Cello are we just gonna purge everyone with a scum mark next to their name?

 

[#HBC | J]

I think I've only said that two times.

-You've lied twice now.
-You think X1is scum; X1 think's you're scum. I like X1 more.
-You said you needed to die eventually and you would know when. This is the best time for you to die, but you're trying really hard to live.
-You're being super aggro. YesterDay you were super not. And you've stated a couple of times that the game was boring because of your posting restriction which is just an odd thing to say and sounds more like you just needed an excuse. Making your words pink every post takes about the same amount of work than posting 5 letters. I just don't see how having to post kupo would make the game boring and thus why you were not posting before.

You ask as if I should have reason to trust you.

Where have I lied? Where have I lied twice?
No real comment on the second one.
You might be right on this part but still I am debating. Zen get this though please. IDC WHEN I DIE BECAUSE I KNOW I AM DIEING SOON. I am trying to think when is the best time for me to die for the town.
Zen, couple things here. 1.) How is it odd to say it is boring? Cello in his first post of the day iirc told the entire town that I was 100% cleared as Town. He also said I was going straight to LYLO. Another thing I kept on messing up my posting restricition which made it aggravating to post in this game. 2.) Zen :3 You know me and that i'm just very forgetful. It took me quite some time to get into the habbit of posting in pink. Also it is just 5 insignificant letters that I would never use in a post ever. Also have you ever had a restriction that is as much as a nuisance as this? Kupo! A restriction that has been an overall burden to the town because of my forgetfulness? 3.) My agressiveness? I didn't think I was being that agressive o_o also yesterDay I just did not post alot. Seems you are grasping at straws here to call me scum.

Lynch, lynch, doc-prot vig kill, nk = 10
Lynch, doc-prot vig suicide, nk = 7

That's fine then.

J, we're going to let you die so we get back to an odd number of players, okay?

I don't get the reasoning but eeeh. Here is the thing that people are forgetting.

ONCE X1 IS DEAD MY ROLE IS RELEASED INTO THE THREAD. MY NAME AND ROLE. I ALSO LOSE MY ABILITY.

That would make me a VT. Once X1 is dead I am going to be 100% cleared as a townie. It's actually up to BSL or Swiss to decide if I should live to tomorrow. (And Cello because he will make the final call) It's really not up to me if I live or not. Is it worth keeping another confirmed townie around or is it worth getting out a possible liabilty now?

Unvote Vote: X1-12

X1 is at L-2 with this vote. Kupo!

 

[#HBC | J]

Side-note

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! ^^

Kupo!

 

[#HBC | J]

Actually scratch that X1 is at L-1 O_O

forgot to include the new MOD vote putting him at L-2.

Kupo!

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

As far as I'm concerned, this argument is over and done with. X1 lynch, J flush, we evaluate the truth of what's been said by everyone in D3. Night actions are all good and accounted for as long as the roles have been reading the thread. There's nothing left for toDay.

Someone hammer so you kids can get some turkey and I can have Subway or something idk.

 

[BSL]

I can do all of that, nabe, but who do I track?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@RPSI: If X1 is a Godfather, Tailor, Lawyer, or something like that then kill MK. If he isn't, then kill DH. We can use MK's supposed ability toMorrow. You'll probably get a cross kill.

From these conditions, if rPSI is going to kill DH then you should track MK. If rPSI will kill MK instead then you should probably track like Zen idk.

For now, throw your flush on J for safety's sake, leave your vote off of X1, and we'll wait for Cello's opinion.

Cello, I'm going to Unvote in case there is a second mod vote incurred, but I'll be in and out of this thread all day to put it back on if need be.

 

[#HBC | J]

BSL! Do not listen to Nabe!

Nabe why the hell are you trying to take charge now and tell BSL what to do? Why are you trying to end the day so soon?

I have more but I just neede to say that before you end the day. I have to post for X1 before anything.

This day is NOT over.

Kupo! Kupo~

 

[#HBC | J]

X1 in our QT is now posting through me. REGARDLESS of what I think of him. I have to be fair and give him this. He does have some points though. The rules seem to not state that this is against the rules and X1 has told me quite a few times that it is allowed. X1 wouldn't lie like this.

2nd PM to J

Nabe is trying to rush the end of the day. Scummy.

btw want to know how I know you're scum? because you don't even want to hear what I think about people in the event I flip town. If you were town you would want to know even if it was only a very slim possibility. Since you are scum you don't need to know.

Also when you said

Hmmmm well lynching Mafia D1 yay for town

is a scum tell imo.
X1-12 53

11-25-2010 02:54 PM ET (US)
@OS: since you want logs I just sent J a PM that sais

"Be a darling and check the QT please"

lol
X1-12 52

11-25-2010 02:14 PM ET (US)
Can you post this in the thread for me? regardless of what you think of me I think its worth it as it will shine light on MK who may well be the scum (Zen thinks so and I believe him) I checked and there's no punishment for quoting chatlogs between us. My current wagon is also looking scummy, all the pro-town players Zen, Swiss, Vand, Cello all now know I'm town but eh. The more info town has the better and I think posting this is worth it. People can chose to believe or disbelieve it as they please. Be a darling and just copy word for word. feel free to check the rules but there's nothing stopping it.

"@MK: Firstly I never said J claimed scum, instead that his actions in the QT made it apparent to me that he was scum. Secondly, what did you want me to discuss with J? a whole hour of "you're lieing" "No you're lieing" "NO U R LIEING" "NO WAY IT IZ SO YOU LIEING" etc etc"

@Swiss: Nothing in J's #1012 is a lie. Its very misinterpreted but as far as I'm aware all the FACTS are true"

Thank you


Kupo!

 

[#HBC | J]

Unvote

This is just for pre-caution but we still have ALOT of time left in the day to figure this out...

Kupo!

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Vote X1
L-2 is as far back as this lynch should be falling. There is no way in hell we're letting backwards momentum ruin this lynch.

BSL asked me what he should be doing for his night action, there's no control or manipulation going on here despite your sudden and absurd terror over it. I gave him my best idea on what Cello wants him to do, based on what Cello himself has said, and as soon as Cello confirms what BSL should be doing, there will be no more questions that need answering and the day can end.

 

[#HBC | J]

As far as I'm concerned, this argument is over and done with. X1 lynch, J flush, we evaluate the truth of what's been said by everyone in D3. Night actions are all good and accounted for as long as the roles have been reading the thread. There's nothing left for toDay.

Someone hammer so you kids can get some turkey and I can have Subway or something idk.

From these conditions, if rPSI is going to kill DH then you should track MK. If rPSI will kill MK instead then you should probably track like Zen idk.

For now, throw your flush on J for safety's sake, leave your vote off of X1, and we'll wait for Cello's opinion.

Cello, I'm going to Unvote in case there is a second mod vote incurred, but I'll be in and out of this thread all day to put it back on if need be.

Vote X1
L-2 is as far back as this lynch should be falling. There is no way in hell we're letting backwards momentum ruin this lynch.

BSL asked me what he should be doing for his night action, there's no control or manipulation going on here despite your sudden and absurd terror over it. I gave him my best idea on what Cello wants him to do, based on what Cello himself has said, and as soon as Cello confirms what BSL should be doing, there will be no more questions that need answering and the day can end.

No you did not. You specifically called that the day was over and done with before BSL even posted. You even tell someone to hammer to end the day hence you taking control. You even state the arguement is done and over with.

You tell BSL to put his flush vote on me so there is no possible way for us to even it out in time. Also when has DH been a Vig target?! Cello has stated that he should Vig MK. You have no clue what Cello wants. You should have directed him towards his plan and instead just try and get him to do the deed quickly.

You are also stating that people will ask no more questions and no more answers are needed so you say the day can end.

Also quit over-exaggerating my expressions. Yes I add a little emotion into my posts but saying that I have terror over what you did is an overexageration. I was apalled would be the more correct way to put it.

Kupo!

 

[vanderzant]

Right.

Cello are we just gonna purge everyone with a scum mark next to their name?

*twiddles thumbs*

See you guys in a few days.

 

[#HBC | J]

*Correction*

DH is only a possible Vig target if X1 were to have flipped Tailor/Lawyer. Otherwise it has been straight MK.

Kupo!

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

No you did not. You specifically called that the day was over and done with before BSL even posted. You even tell someone to hammer to end the day hence you taking control. You even state the arguement is done and over with.

Here's what happened:
Me: "hey guys let's end the day since everyone knows what's going down"
BSL: "I don't know what's going down"
Me: "alright so here's what you should probably do and we'll wait for Cello to confirm"

You tell BSL to put his flush vote on me so there is no possible way for us to even it out in time. Also when has DH been a Vig target?! Cello has stated that he should Vig MK. You have no clue what Cello wants. You should have directed him towards his plan and instead just try and get him to do the deed quickly.

It's like you can't read. You are being flushed, and I quoted the post where Cello tells rPSI that vig targets are MK and DH. I then said "here's what you should probably do, we'll wait for Cello to confirm" and I took my vote off of X1 to ensure the day didn't end.

Q: Where do you see me speeding up the day after BSL posted his concern?
A: Nowhere.

You are also stating that people will ask no more questions and no more answers are needed so you say the day can end.

This is not what I stated at all. I very clearly stated that there were no more unanswered questions. If you have an issue that you feel needs to be addressed before the Day ends, a question that has not been asked, let's hear it. The same goes for everyone. But I feel that there is nothing currently out there that is a reason to wait any longer.

 

[#HBC | J]

Here's what happened:
Me: "hey guys let's end the day since everyone knows what's going down"
BSL: "I don't know what's going down"
Me: "alright so here's what you should probably do and we'll wait for Cello to confirm"

No you said we are ending the day and that you would be here to make sure that both me and X1 died. BSL just asked who he should track NOT if he should Flush vote anyone.

It's like you can't read. You are being flushed, and I quoted the post where Cello tells rPSI that vig targets are MK and DH. I then said "here's what you should probably do, we'll wait for Cello to confirm" and I took my vote off of X1 to ensure the day didn't end.

Q: Where do you see me speeding up the day after BSL posted his concern?
A: Nowhere.

This Q&A bit has nothing to do with what I have been saying! What is this even? Your just spouting stuff to try and make me look worse.

This is not what I stated at all. I very clearly stated that there were no more unanswered questions. If you have an issue that you feel needs to be addressed before the Day ends, a question that has not been asked, let's hear it. The same goes for everyone. But I feel that there is nothing currently out there that is a reason to wait any longer.

Actually I do have a question for you:

Why did you pick me and Cello for this **** 7-Flush vote business? We were both highly considered as town. (Cello = Cop derp, J = town by restrictions/actions). The only reason you want me dead is because of the dag on MOD votes and once you realized that I was goin to make it another day into the game you pitched a fit and made a way where I must die. Why did you not put someone that was considered scummy to go against Cello? Why not MK? Why not Zen? Why not X1? Why not DH? And I swear to god if you interpret this as a "Why anyone but me?!" thing so help me god.

Also why should the day be ended today?! It is THANKSGIVING for god's sake. People will not be on due to the holiday. Why should we end it today when we obviously won't hear from some people?

Kupo!

 

[Swiss]

X1 is confirmed town. If anyone does not believe this is true they can bring the issue up with me personally. I will tell them to shut up. X1 can go to LyLo.

We flush J (if necessary) and have MK hammer DH.

Nabe/J - quit it.

 

[#HBC | J]

Me and X1 have talked and we have come to an impasse. We have decided that we are gonna lay off each other and focus on actually scum hunting together. I'm cool with X1 now and hence why we need to change the lynch back to DH. I'd prefer Nabe hammer and X1 agrees with me that Nabe is the scummiest person in this game but we feel there is a very slight chance of getting this to actually happen.

So we believe a scum lies between these two people.

Zen/MK

One of them needs to go. If one pops town the other is most likely guareenteed scum and vice-versa. We'd prefer if Zen were to hammer DH but we are fine with MK hammering.

@Cello: Can you convince this town to keep us both alive? We agree to play nice.

@Swissy: I'm gonna put alot of trust in your read on X1 alright? It's gonna help me convince myself that he is not scum.

@Everyone: I will be posting for X1 for the remainder of the day. You can still ask him questions and everything but it might take a bit for him to respond through me. X1 cannot change his vote/post because it is dangerous. ALSO news. There is a Vote Manipulator in this game. (derp) But now it's proven. So we have someone who cannot stop changing their vote, a voteblocker, and a vote Manipulator. Good god...@_@

@Nabe: We had a question that we thought of while we were talking. What happens to the 7-Flush vote if you were to die?

But yea I am not voting X1 any longer.

Unvote
Vote: Dark Horse

Kupo!