Fact 54 - Mewtwo Is On The Way [Social/General Discussion]

[MasterOfKnees]

i reckon you should replace jiggs with sceptile then it would be the best

Sceptile for DLC, there, everybody's happy.

 

[Masonomace]

7. In a recent popularity poll, Mewtwo was voted #2 in a list of the top 100 Pokemon. Charizard being #1.
Here's a link to the poll: http://www.ign.com/top/pokemon

I'm only confused about this poll, I wanted to know how recent it is so i took a look at it but never found a date of the exact time this poll was made.

How did you get the icons below your post that say ness and mewtwo?

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'Dat density though

Ground Solid landmass hotness

 

[Steelia]

On the topic of the Greninja "fake-out" I'm going to let people take that as they will. I don't know whether to consider this evidence or not. Even in your post, you are somewhat unsure. I truly do not think Sakurai meant for people to mistake that shadow for Mewtwo.

You don't need to put it as "confirmed evidence" or anything, maybe more of a "take this as you will". I definitely feel listing the Greninja trailer may still be necessary. Many people were faked-out by Greninja's reveal, mistaking it for Mewtwo. Dark, cave-like background? Check. Three non-webbed fingers? Double check. Performing a move reminiscent to Mewtwo's Shadow Ball attack in SSBM? Triple check.

On the note of Greninja's design, it wasn't just the webbing that was removed. Greninja has a little tail spike that was missing on the silhouette. The fingertips are considerably slender, whereas on Greninja's actual design they're large circular pads. And even the way Greninja bent his fingers as a silhouette is inconsistent with the way he bends his finger-pads in-game, and even during his reveal. Basically, there are many inconsistencies with the silhouette design in comparison to his in-game/revealed model.

 

[Wise Multishine]

I'm only confused about this poll, I wanted to know how recent it is so i took a look at it but never found a date of the exact time this poll was made.

I inspected the page's element. It seems that the poll was taken before X and Y came out. June 30th, 2011.

If I can find a more recent, official poll, I will edit and replace it accordingly.

You don't need to put it as "confirmed evidence" or anything, maybe more of a "take this as you will". I definitely feel listing the Greninja trailer may still be necessary. Many people were faked-out by Greninja's reveal, mistaking it for Mewtwo. Dark, cave-like background? Check. Three non-webbed fingers? Double check. Performing a move reminiscent to Mewtwo's Shadow Ball attack in SSBM? Triple check.

On the note of Greninja's design, it wasn't just the webbing that was removed. Greninja has a little tail spike that was missing on the silhouette. The fingertips are considerably slender, whereas on Greninja's actual design they're large circular pads. And even the way Greninja bent his fingers as a silhouette is inconsistent with the way he bends his finger-pads in-game, and even during his reveal. Basically, there are many inconsistencies with the silhouette design in comparison to his in-game/revealed model.

Alright. I will make a mention of it.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Don't forget these crucial points:

-Not a newcomer, but not a veteran, putting Mewtwo in a perplexing and interesting position.
-One of 2 Pokemon with 2 separate Mega Evolutions(MeVos), shared by Charizard who is already in.
-Only Pokemon to get 3 movies focused on it.
--On the movie point, had a recent movie (ExtremeSpeed Genesect) and a special to promote said movie (Prologue to Aakening)
--Said movie served as an early advertisement for MeVos and by extension XY
--If you count Pokemon Origins as a movie rather than a mini-series or a multi parter special, then Mewtwo got 4 movies.
--Said special also featured Mewtwo and Charizard and ALSO promoted MeVos.
-Steadily promoted at the end of BW's life cycle, granting it said movies and Psystrike, a Psychic type move that can be integrated into a moveset or as a Final Smash.
-Mewtwo has little competition outside of the oh so relevant Zoroark, the similarly promoted Genesect, and the theorized Grass starter Sceptile. The former 2 have been shown in trailers and Pokeballs respectively and Sceptile has the Grass Water Fire theory going for it plus OR and AS coming out, but it's a long stretch.
-Greninja trailer shows awareness of Mewtwo fans by trolling them.
-Sakurai's "we're thinking about it" comment when Fairies were announced for XY in 2012(or 13)
-Pokemon have been featured in the POTD's a bit more, from Reshiram to Pikachu in the Angry Birds mode. Foreshadowing?
-With Gematsu debunked, future leaks now lose credibility, particularly those that say Mewtwo is cut.
-Mewtwo is still very popular.

 

[Wise Multishine]

Don't forget these crucial points:

-Not a newcomer, but not a veteran, putting Mewtwo in a perplexing and interesting position.
-One of 2 Pokemon with 2 separate Mega Evolutions(MeVos), shared by Charizard who is already in.
-Only Pokemon to get 3 movies focused on it.
--On the movie point, had a recent movie (ExtremeSpeed Genesect) and a special to promote said movie (Prologue to Aakening)
--Said movie served as an early advertisement for MeVos and by extension XY
--If you count Pokemon Origins as a movie rather than a mini-series or a multi parter special, then Mewtwo got 4 movies.
--Said special also featured Mewtwo and Charizard and ALSO promoted MeVos.
-Steadily promoted at the end of BW's life cycle, granting it said movies and Psystrike, a Psychic type move that can be integrated into a moveset or as a Final Smash.
-Mewtwo has little competition outside of the oh so relevant Zoroark, the similarly promoted Genesect, and the theorized Grass starter Sceptile. The former 2 have been shown in trailers and Pokeballs respectively and Sceptile has the Grass Water Fire theory going for it plus OR and AS coming out, but it's a long stretch.
-Greninja trailer shows awareness of Mewtwo fans by trolling them.
-Sakurai's "we're thinking about it" comment when Fairies were announced for XY in 2012(or 13)
-Pokemon have been featured in the POTD's a bit more, from Reshiram to Pikachu in the Angry Birds mode. Foreshadowing?
-With Gematsu debunked, future leaks now lose credibility, particularly those that say Mewtwo is cut.
-Mewtwo is still very popular.

Thank you very much for the suggestions.

 

[False Sense]

-Mewtwo has little competition outside of the oh so relevant Zoroark, the similarly promoted Genesect, and the theorized Grass starter Sceptile.

I think it's worth pointing out that Genesect is confirmed to be a Poke Ball Pokemon, and Zoroark appeared as one of the many Pokemon shown in Greninja's trailer, which seems to disconfirm him. So two thirds of the listed competition for Mewtwo has already been eliminated.

I suppose it's also worth mentioning that Mewtwo did not appear in Greninja's trailer either, while so many other non-playable Pokemon did.

 

[Wise Multishine]

I think it's worth pointing out that Genesect is confirmed to be a Poke Ball Pokemon, and Zoroark appeared as one of the many Pokemon shown in Greninja's trailer, which seems to disconfirm him. So two thirds of the listed competition for Mewtwo has already been eliminated.

I suppose it's also worth mentioning that Mewtwo did not appear in Greninja's trailer either, while so many other non-playable Pokemon did.

Indeed. I mentioned that in my post. I'm going to assume that every pokemon that appeared in the Greninja trailer are Pokeball summons.

 

[Morbi]

I think it's worth pointing out that Genesect is confirmed to be a Poke Ball Pokemon, and Zoroark appeared as one of the many Pokemon shown in Greninja's trailer, which seems to disconfirm him. So two thirds of the listed competition for Mewtwo has already been eliminated.

I suppose it's also worth mentioning that Mewtwo did not appear in Greninja's trailer either, while so many other non-playable Pokemon did.

Greninja, Mewtwo's biggest competition, is already confirmed to appear as a playable character.

But seriously, Mewtwo's biggest competition is an arbitrary fan-pattern. Mewtwo is oh so afraid.

 

[LIQUID12A]

I think it's worth pointing out that Genesect is confirmed to be a Poke Ball Pokemon, and Zoroark appeared as one of the many Pokemon shown in Greninja's trailer, which seems to disconfirm him..

logic dictates you missed the sentence immediately after that where I mentioned that point.

It's fine :3

 

[False Sense]

logic dictates you missed the sentence immediately after that where I mentioned that point.

It's fine.

I'm an idiot.

Greninja, Mewtwo's biggest competition, is already confirmed to appear as a playable character.

But seriously, Mewtwo's biggest competition is an arbitrary fan-pattern. Mewtwo is oh so afraid.

If there's one thing I've learned from these recent reveals, it's that arbitrary fan patterns usually end up meaning absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

That and Lucina's promotion from alternate costume to separate character would suggest that "slots" don't mean as much as some people believe they do.

 

[Masonomace]

I inspected the page's element. It seems that the poll was taken before X and Y came out. June 30th, 2011.

If I can find a more recent, official poll, I will edit and replace it accordingly.

Nice but sheesh 2011. . .I tried looking for official pokemon popularity polls too, didn't find much.

-Mewtwo has little competition outside of the oh so relevant Zoroark, the similarly promoted Genesect, and the theorized Grass starter Sceptile. The former 2 have been shown in trailers and Pokeballs respectively and Sceptile has the Grass Water Fire theory going for it plus OR and AS coming out, but it's a long stretch.

What @ False Sense said to this reply (i'll even quote it)

I think it's worth pointing out that Genesect is confirmed to be a Poke Ball Pokemon, and Zoroark appeared as one of the many Pokemon shown in Greninja's trailer, which seems to disconfirm him. So two thirds of the listed competition for Mewtwo has already been eliminated.

But the issue I can't get around is that Abomasnow as a pokeball summon is confirmed but was not in the Greninja trailer. Whether that's from leaving him out on purpose or what but this doesn't fully make the Greninja trailer's pokeball summons 100% accurate, now more like 95% confirmed (lol). Zoroark still isn't confirmed yet, despite him being shown in the trailer as you've said.

 

[Morbi]

Nice but sheesh 2011. . .I tried looking for official pokemon popularity polls too, didn't find much.
What @ False Sense said to this reply (i'll even quote it)

But the issue I can't get around is that Abomasnow as a pokeball summon is confirmed but was not in the Greninja trailer. Whether that's from leaving him out on purpose or what but this doesn't fully make the Greninja trailer's pokeball summons 100% accurate, now more like 95% confirmed (lol). Zoroark still isn't confirmed yet, despite him being shown in the trailer as you've said.

I suppose we should just assume that Mewtwo is a Pokeball summon, just like he was in Brawl.

 

[Wise Multishine]

Nice but sheesh 2011. . .I tried looking for official pokemon popularity polls too, didn't find much.
What @ False Sense said to this reply (i'll even quote it)

But the issue I can't get around is that Abomasnow as a pokeball summon is confirmed but was not in the Greninja trailer. Whether that's from leaving him out on purpose or what but this doesn't fully make the Greninja trailer's pokeball summons 100% accurate, now more like 95% confirmed (lol). Zoroark still isn't confirmed yet, despite him being shown in the trailer as you've said.

The date of the poll is actually a good sign. After all, the roster was supposedly decided in 2012

I suppose we should just assume that Mewtwo is a Pokeball summon, just like he was in Brawl.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Sakurai's just waiting until the last minute to reveal Mewtwo. I mean...I think it makes sense to have the best reveals for last.

 

[strawhatninja]

Sakurai's just waiting until the last minute to reveal Mewtwo. I mean...I think it makes sense to have the best reveals for last.

Considering he was the hardest character to unlock in Melee he has always made the most sense as a hidden character. I just want him Ridley and K Rool in a villains trailer. I don't think the internet could handle the massive hype from a trailer like that.

 

[Masonomace]

I suppose we should just assume that Mewtwo is a Pokeball summon, just like he was in Brawl.

Noo. . .)= I'd rather want him as Boss status, but then again. . . Mewtwo gets captured by 4 year olds allllllll day. Thanks Masterball -_-. . .Masterball Mewtwo. . .confirmed. . .

The date of the poll is actually a good sign. After all, the roster was supposedly decided in 2012

A bit off-topic, but if Charizard was mad popular back in the Melee days I'm surprised Charizard wasn't playable or sometimes SSB, but instead gets Pokeball treatment. Everything changed when Brawl broke that. Mewtwo being behind Charizard in popularity & the millions of Mewtwo fans help Sakurai think about Mewtwo's guarantee as something no matter what it is in SSB4.

Considering he was the hardest character to unlock in Melee

*turns on Melee*
*leaves it on all day with 4 controllers*
*Gets Mewtwo waking up the next morning*
Day 1 Mewtwo confirmed!

 

[DarkFalcon]

Considering he was the hardest character to unlock in Melee he has always made the most sense as a hidden character. I just want him Ridley and K Rool in a villains trailer. I don't think the internet could handle the massive hype from a trailer like that.

I know hidden characters are a great surprise and all, but seriously they gotta give Mewtwo a trailer. It adds hype and Sakurai KNOWS how badly people want him back. Mewtwo trailer = even more profit.

 

[Morbi]

I know hidden characters are a great surprise and all, but seriously they gotta give Mewtwo a trailer. It adds hype and Sakurai KNOWS how badly people want him back. Mewtwo trailer = even more profit.

We already saw Mewtwo's trailer, did we not? He was featured prominently in Charizard's reveal trailer... oh wait. That is right... we just saw Greninja cosplaying as Mewtwo. I suppose that is not necessarily hype, but I for one am content with that cameo.

 

[Masonomace]

I know hidden characters are a great surprise and all, but seriously they gotta give Mewtwo a trailer. It adds hype and Sakurai KNOWS how badly people want him back. Mewtwo trailer = even more profit.

I'd throw my wallet at the screen yelling you-know-what.

We already saw Mewtwo's trailer, did we not? He was featured prominently in Charizard's reveal trailer... oh wait. That is right... we just saw Greninja cosplaying as Mewtwo. I suppose that is not necessarily hype, but I for one am content with that cameo.

Real talk, I was yelling to myself when the scene cut with the up-side-down said pokemon(?) wondering who it is. Shadowing out the character making him/her shady made me insta-curious. Yelling at the top of my lungs as he's doing his thing, "MEWTWO?! GUYS MEWTWO!? QUESTION MARK, OH MAN" 5 seconds later the blue shuriken turned me off the moment I no longer realized it may be Mewtwo, & saw Greninja, & yelled, "OMG GRENINJA YES"
Good times.
I'm satisfied too.

 

[The Goldenbrawler]

He wasn't present in Brawl as a playable character due to technical difficulties and time restraints. (Someone link this for me, please)

Also, he was planned for the N64, alongside Bowser and Dedede as villains and were all in a demo, but got cut due to time constraints and budget cuts.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Mewtwo is in such an interesting situation. He was intended to be in every game of the series but only appeared in one. What do you call him? He isn't technically a newcomer, but can you really call him a veteran?

 

[Morbi]

Mewtwo is in such an interesting situation. He was intended to be in every game of the series but only appeared in one. What do you call him? He isn't technically a newcomer, but can you really call him a veteran?

Returning Melee Veteran is probably the most accurate term. I specify the name of the game he appeared in to avoid implications of his appearance in the latest installment. Most people allude to Melee veterans as characters introduced in Melee; however, once they are in Brawl, they are also Brawl veterans. Something Mewtwo is not.

 

[The Goldenbrawler]

Mewtwo is in such an interesting situation. He was intended to be in every game of the series but only appeared in one. What do you call him? He isn't technically a newcomer, but can you really call him a veteran?

A pseudo-veteran.

 

[strawhatninja]

I think Sakurai would put every character that was in Smash back in if he could and had the time. I remember reading an interview were he said something about not liking to cut characters

 

[Masonomace]

Mewtwo is in such an interesting situation. He was intended to be in every game of the series but only appeared in one. What do you call him? He isn't technically a newcomer, but can you really call him a veteran?

What @ Morbi said.
What I think:

Mewtwo is an interestiong exception, he's called many things according to smashers, but this is my insight on him:
Being blunt, in one word, Veteran. You many stop here to avoid unnecessary specific identification. . .
More technical, he's a Melee Veteran
Even more technical he was a Planned 3-time Fighter
As technical as I can get, Mewtwo, is a Pseudo 3-time Planned Super Smash Bros. Melee Veteran.

Sheesh all I did was add onto it..

 

[The Goldenbrawler]

I think Sakurai would put every character that was in Smash back in if he could and had the time. I remember reading an interview were he said something about not liking to cut characters

From what I heard, he is trying to get as many characters in as possible. I don't think many characters from Brawl are getting cut, and Mewtwo will return. I have a gut feeling on this one.

 

[strawhatninja]

From what I heard, he is trying to get as many characters in as possible. I don't think many characters from Brawl are getting cut, and Mewtwo will return. I have a gut feeling on this one.

I agree Lucina opened the way for clones to return, so I wouldn't be surprised if Dr. Mario even returned. I'd rather have him as an alt, but if they do decide to do DLC I could see them releasing every previous character in Smash. That way people could even play with Pichu and Young Link in Smash 4.

 

[The Goldenbrawler]

I agree Lucina opened the way for clones to return, so I wouldn't be surprised if Dr. Mario even returned. I'd rather have him as an alt, but if they do decide to do DLC I could see them releasing every previous character in Smash. That way people could even play with Pichu and Young Link in Smash 4.

I'd doubt the other melee vets, but they are plausible. I think he'll focus on the ones from Brawl and get as many back as possible (due to more uniqueness like Wolf) as well as Mewtwo (again, uniqueness and being the only Melee vet that isn't a clone), then other Melee characters. If anything, Young Link, Roy, Dr. Mario, Pichu, and any Brawl vets they couldn't get, could end up as DLC alongside any others. I don't like the idea of having to pay for extra fighters, but it's a possibility.

 

[DarkFalcon]

I'm not really fond of DLC characters. Sure they can give out a patch so people without the DLC can play against the DLC characters, but I don't really like the idea.

 

[strawhatninja]

I'd doubt the other melee vets, but they are plausible. I think he'll focus on the ones from Brawl and get as many back as possible (due to more uniqueness like Wolf) as well as Mewtwo (again, uniqueness and being the only Melee vet that isn't a clone), then other Melee characters. If anything, Young Link, Roy, Dr. Mario, Pichu, and any Brawl vets they couldn't get, could end up as DLC alongside any others. I don't like the idea of having to pay for extra fighters, but it's a possibility.

Yeah well it is optional so you don't have to buy any character you don't want. I hope they have just so it may give people the opportunity to use their old favorite from a previous Smash again. If they would've added Mewtwo to Brawl, I would have gladly payed 5-10 bucks for him.

 

[Metros]

I suppose we should just assume that Mewtwo is a Pokeball summon, just like he was in Brawl.

What do you mean? I don't ever recall him being a pokeball summon in Brawl. I thought Mew was and the only Mewtwo related thing we got in Brawl was his trophy.

 

[The Goldenbrawler]

Yeah well it is optional so you don't have to buy any character you don't want. I hope they have just so it may give people the opportunity to use their old favorite from a previous Smash again. If they would've added Mewtwo to Brawl, I would have gladly payed 5-10 bucks for him.

Well yes, but being the person that 1. Wants to get all characters. 2. Doesn't have all the money in the world. 3. Wants to get into competitive gaming, which would mean I'd have to have an idea of how they fight, to properly fight against them to fight those players.

 

[Kingkool]

The only reason why Mewtwo wasn't in Brawl was because of time constraints, and Sakurai has stated that the roster was the first thing finalized in this game so theres no reason why he won't be in this time around. and as a side note, if I were Sakurai, Mewtwo would be my priority character-wise to make damn sure he doesn't run out of time again, if they have to cut someone cuz they ran out of time it's someone else's turn.

 

[Masonomace]

The only reason why Mewtwo wasn't in Brawl was because of time constraints, and Sakurai has stated that the roster was the first thing finalized in this game so theres no reason why he won't be in this time around. and as a side note, if I were Sakurai, Mewtwo would be my priority character-wise to make damn sure he doesn't run out of time again, if they have to cut someone cuz they ran out of time it's someone else's turn.

Don't we all wish we were Sakurai?
Also Happy 1st post on SmashBoards, & I'm late but also welcome to SmashBoards.

 

[Kingkool]

Don't we all wish we were Sakurai?
Also Happy 1st post on SmashBoards, & I'm late but also welcome to SmashBoards.

Thanks man I ****ing love the Smash community, everyones so nice

 

[PLATINUM7]

Thanks man I ****ing love the Smash community, everyones so nice

I use to think that. Before the dark times, before E3.

Anyway, woo Mewtwo YEAH!

 

[Morbi]

What do you mean? I don't ever recall him being a pokeball summon in Brawl. I thought Mew was and the only Mewtwo related thing we got in Brawl was his trophy.

Precisely the point, it is not going to happen either. Mewtwo is destined to be playable and nothing more... nothing less.

 

[Kingkool]

Precisely the point, it is not going to happen either. Mewtwo is destined to be playable and nothing more... nothing less.

I really hope that's the case, a demotion to assist trophy, Pokeball, or god forbid Lucario alternate costume would just be insulting

 

[False Sense]

Precisely the point, it is not going to happen either. Mewtwo is destined to be playable and nothing more... nothing less.

Well, he could just be a trophy. Like in Brawl.