Fµlly Nëw Chàrácter Archive

[Gamma Ridley]

Random experiments time.

Aparrently I managed to learn how to make the extra bones move things.

Aparrently altering the node index to match the target polygon does just that.

I THINK FrameMatrix has a strong impact at what the bone controls.

Could this possibly be used on normal bones as well?

 

[TCRhade]

*sigh*

Spoiler

10sighs

 

[TommoPuppy]

...is that even possible?

Yeah. The Zero PSA over Link can wall jump. Heck, he can CLIMB walls just like in the Megaman X series.

 

[TCRhade]

Now I just need to know what the file size limit for FitGanonMotionEtc.pac is. :/

Wow, Tommo... now you just made me curious.

EDIT: Tabuu can grab, but it's when he tries to throw that the game crashes.

And for some reason, he can't dash. It'll just make him walk.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

I saw the YL PSA and it used a huge if statement for wall jumps and it was a little odd.
It only seemed to work with the jump buttons, not the analog stick...

 

[standardtoaster]

Why don't you show me a way to edit the IC-constants to enable Link and MK to wall jump?

IC-Constants of characters are not in character pacs. They are stored in a list in memory. Here you go, though.

Link can walljump [Standardtoaster]
04B0B2B0 00000001

Metaknight can walljump [Standardtoaster]
04B0B710 00000001

...is that even possible?

If so, can someone also enable Gray Fox to crawl?

And can someone please take a look at Tabuu and his footstool dilemma?

Even if I set the ic-const on a character to allow crawling when they normally didn't, it would freeze. In order for a character to crawl, they have to have CrawlData. I guess you could try and maybe put in CrawlData for a character. Just make sure to use tabuu and see if it finds it. If you get that done, then I can allow that certain character to crawl. Same thing with gliding btw.

 

[Snoopy]

TCR, try this. open Tabuu's PSA in Tabuu and look at the BoneRef for the ThrowN. it could be the reason it's freezing. granted, i'm not entirely sure why Tabuu has the problems he does, but it's worth a check.

 

[Razanak7]

Bad news? Now he crashes when footstooling other characters.

Just having ThrowN makes no difference. Throws also use this (hur dur) and you said they freeze too, right? If that's the case, you can just fix the index.

 

[TCRhade]

They freeze, yes, but he can grab and hold them just fine.

Which bone controls footstooling, again? ThrowN? Because BEING footstooled freezes too.

Kangaroogreen, I need your help please. I'd rather not mess around with the Tabuu program and make things worse. :/

 

[Gamma Ridley]

They freeze, yes, but he can grab and hold them just fine.

Which bone controls footstooling, again? ThrowN? Because BEING footstooled freezes too.

Kangaroogreen, I need your help please. I'd rather not mess around with the Tabuu program and make things worse. :/

Actually, TCR, if we're just looking for specific references, I'd be willing to look at it, if you don't mind me asking.

Also, would it be possible to swap this:

with this?

 

[TCRhade]

I need help with fixing throwing and footstooling. You know how? And maybe take a look at his dash.

IDK, how many bones does the car have?

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Judging by the picture, not enough.

 

[TCRhade]

Judging by the picture, not enough.

Then it most likely won't work then.

 

[Gamma Ridley]

I need help with fixing throwing and footstooling. You know how? And maybe take a look at his dash.

IDK, how many bones does the car have?

Well, I could look at Tabuu in... Tabuu, and look at the bone references to see if the game is looking at the right bone.

Judging by the picture, not enough.

Shoot.

Would adding bones work?

 

[TCRhade]

Well, I could look at Tabuu in... Tabuu, and look at the bone references to see if the game is looking at the right bone.



Shoot.

Would adding bones work?

Please do. ^^

And I'm not sure, how many are there?

 

[Snoopy]

Gamma, if you add enough bones to Goroh's car, then yes, it should work. it will need a new animation, but it should work. granted, it looks like the car only has about 10 bones at the most, and Beast Ganon looks like he has about 110, so i doubt that you can get that many bones into the car model. maybe it won't need the same amount of bones that Beast Ganon has? all i can say for sure is try it out and see what happens.

 

[Gamma Ridley]

Please do. ^^

And I'm not sure, how many are there?

Gamma, if you add enough bones to Goroh's car, then yes, it should work. it will need a new animation, but it should work. granted, it looks like the car only has about 10 bones at the most, and Beast Ganon looks like he has about 110, so i doubt that you can get that many bones into the car model. maybe it won't need the same amount of bones that Beast Ganon has? all i can say for sure is try it out and see what happens.

Goroh's car has 4 bones, and Beast Ganon has... 114.

Gonna try it anyway.

 

[TCRhade]

And may you please look at Tabs also if you get the chance?

 

[Gamma Ridley]

And may you please look at Tabs also if you get the chance?

Heheh, Tabs... Yeah of course, just send me the goods.

 

[TCRhade]

Heheh, Tabs... Yeah of course, just send me the goods.

The FitGanon things are here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?yl805mbrfepzb

Thanks heaps, Rid. Will credit you. :] Tabuu (the program) makes me a little nervous imo.

 

[Gamma Ridley]

The FitGanon things are here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?yl805mbrfepzb

Thanks heaps, Rid. Will credit you. :] Tabuu (the program) makes me a little nervous imo.

Eh, it's not so bad, once you get used to it.

Also, tried adding 120 bones in increments of 10.

It got corrupted.

 

[TCRhade]

Eh, it's not so bad, once you get used to it.

Also, tried adding 120 bones in increments of 10.

It got corrupted.

Yes, that's why there's only so many. BECAUSE it overwrites data. They should really look into that.

And I'm gonna put your name in them credits. ^^

 

[Gamma Ridley]

Yes, that's why there's only so many. BECAUSE it overwrites data. They should really look into that.

And I'm gonna put your name in them credits. ^^

Assuming I can help here.

Anyway, looking in Tabuu, Brawl is looking at other bones instead of the ones you want.

For instance, it's looking at bone 29 instead of bone 142 for the ThrowN, which is the actual ThrowN for the model.

Eh, I'ma change it, and let's hope it works.

 

[TCRhade]

Thanks anyway, whether or not it helps.

 

[Gamma Ridley]

K, I fixed most of 'em, but it appears to not have a YRotN bone, so I dunno if that's important.

Anyway, here is the

Spoiler

hopefully

fixed Tabuu: http://www.mediafire.com/?auf51orhz1gr190

 

[TCRhade]

I read Snoopy's guide, and I see that he said that YRotN isn't absolutely necessary.

 

[Gamma Ridley]

I read Snoopy's guide, and I see that he said that YRotN isn't absolutely necessary.

Oh good. Well, test it out and see if it works.

 

[TCRhade]

Oh good. Well, test it out and see if it works.

Later perhaps. I have ideas for animations and I'd like to do them now. :]

Thanks a lot, man. :] Welcome to the "team"

 

[Gamma Ridley]

Later perhaps. I have ideas for animations and I'd like to do them now. :]

Thanks a lot, man. :] Welcome to the "team"

Anytime!

 

[Snoopy]

yeah, the YRotN is used for a few animations here and there, but it's mostly used for other things, like it's the bone that the tag points to (the P1 or CPU or whatever it is thing). but it's not going to cause glitches (that i know of) if one isn't there.

but it's as i thought, as Gamma pointed out, the ThrowN reference was off, which is why the freezing would occur.

and Gamma, i figured that it would corrupt. i added bones to a model that had 10 bones, and it could only take up to 41, but a model with 11 took up to 56. try putting enough bones in to the point that it won't take any more (for 4 bones, it's probably only 20-30), and then put it over Beast Ganon, and try it in game. if it freezes when you try to use the final smash, then it won't work. my theory is that it won't work, but i've only tested that on fighter characters, so i'm not sure if the bone limitation is a universal thing or not. try it and report back.

 

[TCRhade]

If it doesn't work, Rid, try it with the Blue Falcon and vertex/retexture it. Does the BF does have enough bones.

 

[Gamma Ridley]

yeah, the YRotN is used for a few animations here and there, but it's mostly used for other things, like it's the bone that the tag points to (the P1 or CPU or whatever it is thing). but it's not going to cause glitches (that i know of) if one isn't there.

but it's as i thought, as Gamma pointed out, the ThrowN reference was off, which is why the freezing would occur.

and Gamma, i figured that it would corrupt. i added bones to a model that had 10 bones, and it could only take up to 41, but a model with 11 took up to 56. try putting enough bones in to the point that it won't take any more (for 4 bones, it's probably only 20-30), and then put it over Beast Ganon, and try it in game. if it freezes when you try to use the final smash, then it won't work. my theory is that it won't work, but i've only tested that on fighter characters, so i'm not sure if the bone limitation is a universal thing or not. try it and report back.

That's what the YRotN is for?!? Oh. Good, cuz Goroh's P1 tag is in his torso.

And I'll go try that right now.

 

[xxTerminatorxx]

Good work fellas. I'll download you're Tabuu once he gets released on the vault. Or if he gets so good that he's far from glitches and the "screech of death."

Lol.

 

[TCRhade]

Good work fellas. I'll download you're Tabuu once he gets released on the vault. Or if he gets so good that he's far from glitches and the "screech of death."

Lol.

Well, once grabbing and footstooling are sure to be fixed, he'll be free of screeching. For now, anyway.

 

[Gamma Ridley]

Hrm, I replaced Beast Ganon with the Fire Stingray and tried it in-game, but it didn't come up.

The thing is, the game didn't freeze either. It just didn't come up.

Maybe it was a texture problem...?

 

[xxTerminatorxx]

Oh, and can you visit my chat AGAIN. I need to talk to you about one of my projects and other stuff...

www.xat.com/Solid_Snake

In other words...

Oh, I see you like Nintendo games.
So, you've been playing Super Smash Bros. Melee, haven't you?

I'mma workin' on Mantis' model. I used his unmasked textures since I can't get a vertex of him with a gas mask at the moment. Once it's done I'll send the model to you, Eternal Yoshi, so you can try to port it over Mewtwo.

Compare my model with this:

Also, Irishladdie over at KC:MM is going to help me with Mantis :D

 

[TCRhade]

Hrm, I replaced Beast Ganon with the Fire Stingray and tried it in-game, but it didn't come up.

The thing is, the game didn't freeze either. It just didn't come up.

Maybe it was a texture problem...?

Did you make sure to replace TextureData?

 

[Gamma Ridley]

Froze the game again.

And the Blue Falcon has like 6 bones, so that's not a choice either.

*sigh*

 

[TCRhade]

Dontcha just hate how crash-happy this game is? ;P

 

[xxTerminatorxx]

Dontcha just hate how crash-happy this game is? ;P

I couldn't agree more.