Etrian Nomination Mafia - Endgame: Until the Day the Adventurers Rise Again

[Disfunkshunal]

Made it halfway through the thread last night/this afternoon. Will post thoughts within the next few hours.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Voting phase today is essentially a crap shoot, I feel that there's little room to really benefit from this phase especially early on, because all scum has to do is stack the deck with townies due to inflated numbers. The reason I believe there's at least one scum in there is that if scum were smart they'd realize that stacking the deck does not always work in their favor, and while in a hypothetical scenario we could ML regardless in this instance, the later phases votes could be analyzed accordingly based on who was picked.

That's the super mechanical answer and in a vacuum I'd agree with you, but I think Ryker's town, I know I'm town, and I think either Kantrip or Poke volunteering to go into the pit would be suicide. I wouldn't be surprised if we're all town in the end.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Results:

• Shishœ: 5 (Pokechu, Laundry, KY Joey, Fire Emblemier, Kantrip)
• Thirdkoopa: 1 (ѕoup)
• Fire Emblemier: 4 (Nabe, Thirdkoopa, Shishœ, Ryker)
• Kantrip: 1 (Z25)

Not voting: n/a

Spoiler: Shishœ falls in battle...

Spoiler: Shishœ was the Party Protector

Protector

Holy knights sworn to guard others with their lives. Their shields are invaluable tools for surviving the Labyrinth.
Weapons: Swords, Shields
Defence specialists of the front line.​

You are the party's Protector! Arguably the mascot of the series, and as the game's tank class, a staple of most players' parties in each game. Use your shield to save your allies from certain doom... though with how difficult these games are, your doom will probably remain certain anyway.

== Party Member ==

• You have no special abilities of your own - only your voice and your vote.
• Note that on even-numbered days, you can only vote for the players nominated by the FOEs, who will be named by the host at the start of those days.
• You are aligned with the Party.
• You win when all threats to the party have been defeated.

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End of the 1st Stratum (Day 1).

The game will resume 24 hours from now (10pm UTC, November 13th).

@Shishœ #HBC | Ryker Dooms @Thirdkoopa #HBC | ѕoup Fire Emblemier #HBC | Laundry Pokechu Z25 Kantrip #HBC | Nabe
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How's the two wagons looking in terms of scum equity? I'll answer my own thoughts after you #HBC | Laundry

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That's the super mechanical answer and in a vacuum I'd agree with you, but I think Ryker's town, I know I'm town, and I think either Kantrip or Poke volunteering to go into the pit would be suicide. I wouldn't be surprised if we're all town in the end.

I've considered this, hence I said if scum were smart

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Not gonna make a case on this but let this just be like sort of a footnote, the implication of scum being smart would fall onto you or Ryker, who would be aware of such a tactic, but I have no grounds to push this other than you both are stupid picks if I'm scum because nobody has questioned or gone against you.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

If scum were really stacking the deck, they could've easily picked Me, Nabe, Pokechu, and Kantrip. Those are picks that would go through regardless, and I agree with you, it's pretty much suicide to volunteer yourself like that, how does this influence your read on those two?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

How's the two wagons looking in terms of scum equity? I'll answer my own thoughts after you #HBC | Laundry

Define equity in this instance for me, I don't quite get your meaning.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Define equity in this instance for me, I don't quite get your meaning.

Which wagon has the likelist to hold scum

 

[Z25]

Ryker and I being in the pit doesn't surprise me. Poke and Kantrip are the fun choices.

#HBC | Ryker Talk to me about Kantrip, why did you find him so scummy and what did you think about his EoD performance?
Z25 Why is Pokechu scum? Did anything from last phase change your mind? @#HBC | icanttagyour****ingnamebutsoup can answer this question too.
Pokechu Where is your head now that Shish flipped town? What are your reads? Content, yip yip.
#HBC | Nabe You had Soup and Fire as lynch candidates yesterday. Can you show me the math behind those choices now that we have more time again?
Kantrip Play ball and give me literally anybody other than Z as mafia. My memory of your play from yesterday boils down to "I think Z is scum because he's noncommittal".
Dooms Analyze the Shish wagon for me pls.
Fire Emblemier Content, yip yip.

I’m less inclined to buy that pokechu is scum.

After the shishoe argument and shish flipping town. I don’t see pokechu attracting attention as scum that way. It would make them an obvious choice for the lynch today if scum. And here we are with them being on this list.

My reasoning was super solid on pokechu but after the shishoe problem yesterday I don’t scum would want this much attention drawn to pokechu if they are scum buddies with him.

It take a big brain for someone to think that this would reverse psychology us into thinking pokechu is innocent by drawing so much attention to him, but I don’t think that’s the case.

Mafias pick is much likelier to be someone who can just fly by the radar. And who disappeared yesterday after I started questioning their behavior? Kantrip.

And who’s in the vote pool today? Kantrip.

I’m doubling down on my points from last phase. Kantrip is scum based on their behavior change and their super filmsy and quite frankly stupid reasoning to get rid of me yesterday. When I started fighting back he vanished and that spells scum to me.

But I’m curious as to what everyone else thinks

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Just gonna say that Z25 nominating Kantrip if he's scum does not help his argument, I would think scum would distance from their vocal picks as a means of ambiguity, but that's just me

 

[Z25]

Also something to add, I don’t see Ryker being scum. He came in here like a blazing fire yesterday making himself known hitting people with questions and facts and all kinds of opinions on where things are going.

With how good of a player he is, I don’t think he’s throwing himself into the line of Fire like that. Plus it would make sense for scum to put out one of their biggest threats and hope to get rid of him.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Also something to add, I don’t see Ryker being scum. He came in here like a blazing fire yesterday making himself known hitting people with questions and facts and all kinds of opinions on where things are going.

With how good of a player he is, I don’t think he’s throwing himself into the line of Fire like that. Plus it would make sense for scum to put out one of their biggest threats and hope to get rid of him.

His behavior is null to me, need to see a flip with more influence on his part to determine alignment.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

If scum were really stacking the deck, they could've easily picked Me, Nabe, Pokechu, and Kantrip. Those are picks that would go through regardless, and I agree with you, it's pretty much suicide to volunteer yourself like that, how does this influence your read on those two?

I don't really think so. Putting up purely nebulous slots shrinks mafia's space to hide, either because they're making it easier for town to read/process them or they **** up and get lynched and make the nebulous slots look better by default. I also don't think there's much danger in putting up hardtown slots either. At worst, nobody's read is impacted and at best a miracle happens and one of them gets lynched. It's not like they're lynching them on a normal day anyway, right?

I don't have any sufficient evidence or logic to back up my thinking, I just gutread the situation as we're all town. Z makes an excellent point that Poke, after both his entrance and later doubling down on Shish's lynch, is committing suicide to go into the pit. Kantrip was also not in the most favorable position either, even if he wasn't as bad as Poke, and I think he knows he's got a 50/50 shot of getting bodied if he puts himself into the pit against us as mafia.

The thing that just crossed my mind is whether or not mafia committing suicide is beneficial to mafia.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

EBWOP: Which is a question worth asking but probably not answerable until we see the flip.

 

[Dooms]

Pokechu joined due to memeing and never swapped. Definitely want more from Pokechu. Didn't buy into the scum reads regarding **** posting, but their lack of content for most of the phase regardless is problematic.

We had similar thoughts in regards to the slot, so I'm not doubting you personally for that, and you're the most obvious townie in the game.

I liked Kantrip's post responding to my question. One of my most solid town reads and I see town Kantrip holding that logic 100%. Jumping onto the wagon last minute is fine.

Fire Emblem is still null. I dont buy into the "didnt care if they die but now they care..." argument because its a stupid reason to suspect someone on its own.

Pokechu is the scummiest on the wagon and in this pool for me. Pokechu > Ryker > Kantrip > Laundry. Don't know why Pokechu would choose you and Ryker though.

Gonna be on mobile a lot these next few days btw. Brother just had a kid. On my way to the hospital for that now.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Which wagon has the likelist to hold scum

Short answer: Fire's. Shishoe's has 3/4 of the pit and one of my townreads on it. I'm gonna chew on this answer though, there's some ****ery going on between my reads, my perception of the pit, and this wagon that doesn't quite mesh well.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

Doing this while the thread is locked so I can't quote anything. This is all based on content from day one

My thoughts:

Z25 - He was called out as reactionary in post #171 and that's very consistent with what I've seen of his personality so far. As he's mentioned, he often presents a unique perspective or, if the perspective is not unique, a unique process from which he draws his conclusions. Though logical and sound to him, others often aren't able to and/or don't follow him and instead target him. His content thus far revolves around that -- he's right because he feels he's right, opposers are scum trying to hamper him.

I also doubt he's scum because of posts like #___ and #114. Here he completely undermines himself in a way that I don't believe scum would. Call it overconfidence or presumptuousness, but I feel that scum Z25 would be really easy to call. Based on what I know of his personality and what I've observed in this game, he's a townie trying hard to put the pieces together and getting frustrated when he feels that others aren't giving him that chance.

Current Conclusion:
- Town lean

Kantrip - After a reread, I do see the parallels between his pursuit of Z25 (post RVS) and Seph's in pyp. Both seem to capitalize on Z25's inexperience** and use that as justification for his lynch. The wall he built in #231 around Z25 felt nitpicky and unnecessary? I'm reminded somewhat of Bardull's wall from last game which felt like a large post for the sake of making a large post. He ultimately concludes his post by mentioning that he's fine with Z25's content which I think weakens his suspicion of him.

I don't think Kant's RVS was scummy, nor do I consider his subsequent questioning of Z25's reaction to be scummy. I consider his continued pursuit of Z25 with a weak argument after Z25 defended his position, and his weak argument against Z25 to be scummy.

Current Conclusion
- Scum lean

#HBC | Laundry - I have to admit my bias here, anyone who actively drives content tends to quickly move up on my town reads. I generally like his content and often felt that he voiced a lot of what I was thinking. One thing that does bother me about him is how long it took him to get to his own viewpoint. Unless I'm misremembering, it takes several posts before he shares his own reads. Before post #247, the majority of his content is pursuing others for their information. That all said, it's worth noting that I've seen each of the #HBC exhibit this behavior in their first game back, leading me to believe that this may not be that noteworthy. His final "likely to be scum" list (Shish > Z > 3K) I feel is similar to the list I would have come to at this point. Despite the one thing I mentioned that bothered me, I'm generally ok with this slot.

Current Conclusion
- Town

Laundry, what does scum Ryker look like?

Pokechu - His initial distrust of Shish seems partially based in omgus which is reminiscent of his distrust of me for similar reasons last game. This doesn't contribute to my town/scum read of him but rather, it makes me think his Shish vote was less based in observation and more based in emotion. On his content, I'm discontent. Looking at an ISO, the majority of it is irrelevant and that which is relevant doesn't ever really sell me. For the record, Shish was not a town read for me either, but had I been on the fence, pokechu's comment would not have swayed me one way or the other. His last second vote does raise an eyebrow. A lot of people brought up his early ****posting as problematic but I find it interesting that he concludes the day with more, even after promising to deliver more substantial content in #482. I need to see more but I'm not fond of this slot.

Current Conclusion
- Scum lean

#HBC | Nabe - I'm pretty null on this slot. I want him to contribute more because I don't feel that there's been a lot to go on so far which is somewhat uncharacteristic. On a Kantrip scum flip, he would shoot up my list.

Current Conclusion
- Null

#HBC | Ryker - Shows up at the end of the day and has more posts than half the players. LOL guys do better. In regards to the game, he did a lot of talking and, albeit briefly, pressured a number of people and did appear genuinely open to being convinced to pursue a different direction than the one he was then currently on. That said, I find his lack of commitment to be troubling. I overall felt he was too quick to jump person to person, often without coming to what I would consider a satisfying conclusion. One of the things I find most troubling about this slot is his admittance that Fire is a shot in the dar in #409, then standing by his Fire vote in #441, both after saying that Fire was one of his weakest scum reads #358.

Current Conclusion
- Scum lean

Fire Emblemier - Who?

#HBC | ѕoup - Pretty null here. A lot of his content was defending Z25, which I agree with. If either he or Z25 flips scum, that clears the other in my eyes. He went way too hard defending him for them to be in league together as scum. I'd like to see more from him today to form a better opinion.

Current Conclusion
- Null

Dooms - In general, his content's fine. I like his push on shish, his questioning of Z25, his impression of TTK, etc. Overall I've agreed with him or understood where he was coming from if I disagreed with him.

Current Conclusion
- Town lean
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**Z25 is not inexperienced if experience is measured purely by number of games played. My use of the term here is comparative -- based on what I've seen, Z25 is still coming into his own as a player in a way that some of the other players have already done.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I think if the consensus that I hard defended Z25 is the consensus they are not really reading into what I've been saying about him, because under no circumstance did I ever proclaim that I felt Z25 was town, I just felt there were better options. The startling reality of it all is that I really only have one or two strong townreads and the rest of you elude me

 

[Disfunkshunal]

If I had a gun to his head, I'd shoot Kantrip out of all the people in the hot seat today. My order would be Kant > Ryker > Poke > Laundry. Ryker and Pokechu are pretty interchangeable here tbh though. I do find it weird that Kantrip and Pokechu, two players who were on a lot of others' radars, made it into the choices today. That gives me pause but I still feel most comfortable with Kantrip if I had to make a decision right this second. I think it's unlikely that all four are town but I wouldn't discount the possibility. If all four are town, nabe/soup would be next choices but I wouldn't hard commit without seeing more from them.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

Oh wait, and Fire. LOL that was not on purpose

 

[Disfunkshunal]

Btw, I doubt all of my scum leans are actually scum, especially given the voting choices today. At most I'd say two but I think only one is the most likely scenario.

 

[Z25]

Disk is right.

Fire Emblemier :

It be nice to get some thoughts from you

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Laundry, what does scum Ryker look like?

It's not universal as he's a competent enough player to manipulate meta but he coasts harder as scum than town and prefers a backseat role where he pushes things at exact moments rather than taking a dominant position in the thread.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Btw, I doubt all of my scum leans are actually scum, especially given the voting choices today. At most I'd say two but I think only one is the most likely scenario.

It still is strange you have the opinion that 3/4 of the pit are scummy. Prioritize your list from scummiest to least scummy for me?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I think if the consensus that I hard defended Z25 is the consensus they are not really reading into what I've been saying about him, because under no circumstance did I ever proclaim that I felt Z25 was town, I just felt there were better options. The startling reality of it all is that I really only have one or two strong townreads and the rest of you elude me

Hey you asked me for my thoughts on the wagons, your turn.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

It still is strange you have the opinion that 3/4 of the pit are scummy. Prioritize your list from scummiest to least scummy for me?

If I had a gun to his head, I'd shoot Kantrip out of all the people in the hot seat today. My order would be Kant > Ryker > Poke > Laundry. Ryker and Pokechu are pretty interchangeable here tbh though. I do find it weird that Kantrip and Pokechu, two players who were on a lot of others' radars, made it into the choices today. That gives me pause but I still feel most comfortable with Kantrip if I had to make a decision right this second. I think it's unlikely that all four are town but I wouldn't discount the possibility. If all four are town, nabe/soup would be next choices but I wouldn't hard commit without seeing more from them.

I swear I can read.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I think if the consensus that I hard defended Z25 is the consensus they are not really reading into what I've been saying about him, because under no circumstance did I ever proclaim that I felt Z25 was town, I just felt there were better options. The startling reality of it all is that I really only have one or two strong townreads and the rest of you elude me

I dunno man:

Spoiler

Decent for now. I think perhaps that could change over the course of the game because I initially wasn't too impressed by his content, but then I realized that I haven't really been impressed by most people as they're simply not here to be judged. I don't know if scum makes themselves so transparent without any pressure to post yknow?

Not trying to be Z25's crusader but he's fodder in the grander scale of things. He just seems like a very reactionary dude. What I said before to me holds relevance in that I feel this is a case of too obvious to be obvious, but in that same regard I've been keeping tabs on Pokechu wherein this behavior is far more intentional for Pokechu and Z25 is just acting out of intuition. I also can't see an active daychat between mates telling them 'vote the random RVS wagon and we'll call it a day'

Thoughts? Kantrip Dooms

If the vote came down to Z I wouldn't try and save him, but right now my conf bias leans ML waiting to happen.

I did a double-take on Z25 from PYP in relation to what you highlighted about him Kantrip and I think the disrepancies are there, certainly. However, I also don't think it's possible to play 1:1 with yourself in every game, because different environments inhibit different responses, therefore I don't know why word modifiers as you put it are indicative of scum. The argument I posed earlier was at the crux of things: S25 says he has never flipped scum and frankly I'm not sure if I see scum trying to be at the helm of the discussion yet alone make such obtuse plays such as justifying an obvious RVS wagon for awkward reasons. Like..I get it. I get why that's scummy so I don't fault You/Joey for seeing it that way, I just don't feel it's the right option right now. If you want me to partake in some theory of my own I think in the event of Z25 being scum I would consider Pokechu to become more likely, so this is not as seperate as you think. Can a Z25/3K/Pokechu team exist? Possibly, but I'm not going to come in here and state my overbearing confidence in those 3, I'm just going to say that I feel it is likely we have scum in there.

My summarized stance in S25 is that I understand why he's scummy but find that due to circumstance he might not actually be scum. If it comes down to it though I will vote him though I am sort of worried more about those pushing him as well and that gives me pause overall

..Alright fine yes ma'am

The long of Z25 is a bit complicated. I came into it reading Z25 as inherently scummy but finding myself realizing that despite his content being stretched out, I don't see the necessity of doing so as scum. You could chalk it up to inexperience, nervousness, but I personally gave him benefit of the doubt due to interests being elsewhere (Thirdkoopa). I think that everyone who has goaded Z25 is fairly reasonable, but at some point there's another realization is that if Z25 has mates they'd had to interacted somewhere, and I kept this to myself but I found early votes (Joey especially) not to be of bussing intent, so you'd have to wonder how his mates are gonna try to save him, and really I don't see that happening. Maybe they're leaving him dry due to the mistake, who knows. The brunt of my argument is that timing is important, and I actually agree with you not liking Kantrip and felt his dissection of Z25 to be understated and less about reading into his intent. I can't lie to you and say that Kantrip pushing him in this regard and me generally feeling like he's not being bussed is a greater factor in why I remain on 3K instead.

My gut is telling me Z25 is a ML waiting to happen and there are greater threats out there yet to be unveiled

My mind tells me that Z25 is scummy, and no matter how you slice it you lynch scum and worry about details later. I don't think Z25/Pokechu/3K are all scum and I think I'm wrong on one perhaps even two. Deadline is nearing and I will probably switch my vote on Z25, but I also really wanted to look into what Laundry said about Shish cause it interests me

This is a lot of ****ing effort to go through for a guy you don't think is town.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

He's scummy but he didn't feel like the play, I am open to the idea of being wrong about him but didn't want him on that particular day.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Assuming he never got pooled, why would it be better to lynch him D3 or D5 instead of D1?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Shishœ: 5 (Pokechu, Laundry, KY Joey, Fire Emblemier, Kantrip)
Thirdkoopa: 1 (ѕoup)
Fire Emblemier: 4 (Nabe, Thirdkoopa, Shishœ, Ryker)
Kantrip: 1 (Z25)

Yellow is chosen by scum
Red is who I think scum is
Green is flipped town
Teal is lean-town


Nabe/Thirdkoopa/Ryker all coordinating their votes onto Fire doesn't make sense to me, I think Fire has one and my bias says Nabe/3K right now, but definitely not both. I'm null currently on Ryker as aforementioned and I think it'd be lovely if it didn't sit here and go in circles with myself about everything. You said Fire's wagon was most likely to hold scum and honestly I think you're right, but the fact remains that three people were chosen by scum who all voted shish. I sorta think if you're scum Laundry you sorta slipped in a way, and I know I've been saying this 'if' to you like I'm paranoid but I gotta come clean that if I had to decide you or Ryker in terms of who I'd save I'd definitely pick Ryker, and this is something I have been mulling over for a good amount of time. Rest assured I'm speaking from a future scenario where I'm dead ****ing wrong, and to ease you I think scum is in a mix of 3K/Kantrip/Nabe/Z25, possibly being wrong on one of those.

I have no basis of a case though, certainly not now which is why this phase sucks. Tell me: how hard are you convinced they're all town? Why is it that Ryker himself was singled out to be chosen and scum picked 3 people on a mislynch? I give you credit where credit is due and if Kantrip/Poke were both scum they'd be absolutely shooting themselves in the foot which frankly I will outright that I do not believe they can be scum together. I know I said Pokechu over Kantrip but..we'll see. Pokechu right now if I had to decide but I think a flip on Kantrip could warrant a lot of results. I have a gut read on Fire in that while his comments and commitment were not stellar, there is a vibe that reads pure, and that he wouldn't risk looking so bad.

As far as Nabe goes, I don't know what he's doing, I have no idea where he's coming from on anything, and I don't know why he remained on me throughout that whole phase even though he chose to sit on his hands. I'd welcome any pressure he could possibly give me.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Tell me: how hard are you convinced they're all town?

I'm not, it just seems like the most likely situation at the moment.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm not, it just seems like the most likely situation at the moment.

I can understand you using occam's razor, I don't think this phase is meant to be beneficial for us. You said you think Fire's wagon has the scum so does this make Nabe/3K the main culprits like I am thinking? I'm pretty sure you've made it clear you believe Ryker is town.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I can understand you using occam's razor, I don't think this phase is meant to be beneficial for us. You said you think Fire's wagon has the scum so does this make Nabe/3K the main culprits like I am thinking? I'm pretty sure you've made it clear you believe Ryker is town.

By PoE, yes. It opens up a lot of interesting observations though once you consider Fire's alignment such as:
If Fire is town, then is the entire wagon townies? I don't buy Ryker's Joey suspicions whatsoever.
If Fire isn't town, then was he being bussed? I don't recall any out-of-character outbursts at one of 3K/Nabe but then again I don't recall any Fire posts at all.
If Fire isn't town and he wasn't being bussed, where is the mafia? Am I wrong about mafia not being in the pit?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Anyway I'm gonna dip from the thread for tonight; I'll be rereading the end of the phase tomorrow and trying to process that cluster**** for real but I do think we need to hear from the others in the pool more than anything else at the moment. I wanna see where their heads are at.

 

[Kantrip]

Here and reading up.

If there's scum in the pool it's Ryker, otherwise I'd be more inclined to think we're all town. Regardless, this mechanic is actually super helpful for us since mafia has no power to actually kill off the people that threaten them. Considering I was being floated as a scum pick for some, as was Pokechu, it's interesting that town has the power to off one of us on what is essentially scum's kill.

With that in mind, I almost think one of Ryker (or Laundry) being scum is quite likely seeing as they basically controlled the end of Day 1, are active discussion drivers for town, and if one is scum they would be very confident in their safety knowing everyone will be choosing between myself and Pokechu.

More shortly.

 

[Kantrip]

I don't like the suggestion that scum would put one of their own in the pool. It's entirely WIFOM and could easily be used BY scum to justify mislynching 4 townies in a row. Scum CAN put one of their own in the pool and, while risky, it is a good option to ensure they don't only nominate townies and accidentally clear people, but I doubt they would ever put someone up for nomination that they think has a halfway shot at being lynched.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I forgot this existed today. I just played BBTag all afternoon. Whoops.

Let's fix that.

 

[Kantrip]

I can understand you using occam's razor, I don't think this phase is meant to be beneficial for us. You said you think Fire's wagon has the scum so does this make Nabe/3K the main culprits like I am thinking? I'm pretty sure you've made it clear you believe Ryker is town.

Quoting this because it's easier than tagging you.

Why do you think third is scum again? I remember that stance coming from RVS and it appears it hasn't changed since. At risk of being a hypocrite since I know I have been on Z25 since RVS, I just want an update list of reasons third is scum.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker and I being in the pit doesn't surprise me. Poke and Kantrip are the fun choices.

#HBC | Ryker Talk to me about Kantrip, why did you find him so scummy and what did you think about his EoD performance?
Z25 Why is Pokechu scum? Did anything from last phase change your mind? @#HBC | icanttagyour****ingnamebutsoup can answer this question too.
Pokechu Where is your head now that Shish flipped town? What are your reads? Content, yip yip.
#HBC | Nabe You had Soup and Fire as lynch candidates yesterday. Can you show me the math behind those choices now that we have more time again?
Kantrip Play ball and give me literally anybody other than Z as mafia. My memory of your play from yesterday boils down to "I think Z is scum because he's noncommittal".
Dooms Analyze the Shish wagon for me pls.
Fire Emblemier Content, yip yip.

I need to go over his EOD. That's one of the major things I wanted to do this phase was reread the entirety of EOD. I learned from my qualifier how valuable an EOD where your vote really matters is because of how it causes your true colors to show when you can actually influence something. Every option we had was pretty much a crapshoot, so mostly I wanna know who went where and who REFUSED to go where. I'll cover Kantrip with my EOD read at the end of this quick catch-up.

 

[Kantrip]

I actually thought there was potential scummy intent in Pokechu's early posts of the game, whereas usually his behaviour reads to me as innocent joking around. That said, and understanding I'm diving into a pool of wine, seeing him up for lynch with the pool we have makes me feel he's more likely town.

I still have problems with Z25 on re-read. I agree with everything Joey questioned about his motives for joining the Ryker wagon while also calling the one who started it potentially scummy. I disagree with his response to these questions being that mafia is more likely to start wagons to try to get mislynches and I think he should also know this to be untrue. I still think the tone of his posts reads as forced. I understand he's a reactionary player and I actually think on another look his reaction to my vote on him is consistent with what others have said about him. I like that when I first voted him he didn't suspect me, and the read only developed when I continued to push him (at which point he drew parallels to scum from a different game who did the same thing). Still, this isn't really a relevant topic for even-numbered Day phases and my main concern is going to be looking at Ryker, Laundry and Pokechu and trying to lay all my thoughts out there. Ideally I will show my townie colours and people will value what I'll bring to the game in the future and keep me, but I respect if consensus is that I'm the best lynch of the four up for nomination.