Epic... Rap... BATTLES OF HISTORY!!! OVER GUESS WHICH SIDE WON

[#HBC | J]

Ranmaru, I just read the post where you called me a sheep on the Kata wagon.

I no happy with you. >=[

 

[Kataefi]

Ang on ang on. This is moving fast. I'm at home now so feel free to throw questions my way. I'm gonna take a gander at the thread now.

request votecount plz

 

[Kataefi]

don't think these got answered despite these players posting:

@circus:

When you come talk to me about gheb pretty plz. What do you make of his death? How did your read on him progress as a bystander throughout D1?

@inferno:

@Inferno: why did you *****foot around the Kreative/Detective wagons at the end of D1?

 

[Kataefi]

@The Circus: regarding your break into the game here: "diediedie" is strong... couldn't you have gone into detail about Garg being scum at this point? Why can you hardly remember this? Also your vote simply attacks Dark and doesn't in anyway explain the "diediedie" aspect you found in Garg which I find odd, because it looks to me like your voting moreso dietz than you are Garg (wouldn't garg comprise the bulk of your vote here and this be the opportunity to present it?) Want to hear your thoughts on this slot a lot more plz.

 

[Kataefi]

*attacks Dietz silly keyboard

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Deadline is set for 5/16 at 11:59 EST! With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

Circus (2) Kataefi, marshy
JDietz43 (0)
Ranmaru (0)
JTB (0)
Inferno (0)
Sherlock Hound (Red Ruy/Dooms hydra) (0)
J (4) No Lynch, Ranmaru, JDietz, Inferno
marshy (0)
Kataefi (1) J
No Lynch (0)
Roxy (0)

Not voting (4) Roxy, Sherlock Hound, JTB, Circus

 

[Kataefi]

O?

Wanna substantiate that J? I see no reason I should go before Circus toDay. DH was playing with his classic scumtells showing in full force, then replaced out. He's the obvious pick and I'm not sure why not everyone can see that. (Zen)

"Classic scumtells in full force"... curiously why did you opt to go for J at this point when you talked about Dark Horse with a strong level of certainty? Lots of suggestive tells that make me think you think Dark Horse is surely scum yet this certainty pointed to a different direction at the beginning of D2 onward. Plz do elaborate

 

[Kataefi]

Lol I turn up and no one is around to chat despite 3 other invisibles...

Seems odd and makes me want your head more but at the same time, I see some gems in your post that make me hesitate on you Kata.

He really should go toDay.

curiously here when you say "gems"... is this not information that is valued by you? Why else would you hesitate here? Can you go into specifics because gems make you rich why would you state this sentiment and not proceed to take on board the value my thoughts are giving you but instead throw them away in the gutter with immediacy?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

im here to chat?

 

[Purple]

Marshy what am i doing here?

 

[Kataefi]

Looks like all the mods have been summoned. All we need now is for red ruy to arrive and we can make it a mod party...

Purple you have done... nothing. Who do you think needs looking into?

 

[Kataefi]

Well since no one is talking and apparently I need to elaborate more... Dark Horse was scum to me because he made a bad break into this game. First comes the utility of his question on Ran... what was the point of it despite being a variation of inferno;s/roxy's? It was obviously too much of a philosophical question in a way that made it look like a trap. If he was genuine on his push on Ran here and this was something he genuinely suspected, and Ran's answers never truly gave him a sense of closure, why did he immediately gun for Garg under pressure and not in any way continue to pursue Ran at this point? If anything he simply turned acidic and conniving. This behaviour is odd to me. Likewise there is a similar pattern in behaviour here where we see Circus under pressure and gunning straight for Dietz... looks unnatural... especially considering GARG is the one that should "diediedie"...

I'm tainted... I want circus to go in depth in his reads

 

[No Lynch]

...kata. ..

 

[Kataefi]

Actually wait can I just say something zen (or soup)...when you pushed me for being "unlike me" (most recent exchange)... I felt like this was based on flawed thinking... i don't want to go into too much detail as to clog up the thread but wouldn't you agree that in every example I highlighted I stepped in with a decisive vision as to what I wanted to do before i did it? E.g. say... my reasons on Swiss in many a game could have been classified as "generic" despite "strong intention to lynch" when I was prepared to lynch him page 2/3 onwards in some games (Halo/Pikmafia/etc)... this never seemed to be a problem with you back then which is why I find this push odd because it was just never a problem. I do want you to reconsider... The only difference back then was me being active enough to pursue more aggressively whereas here I work, blink and suddenly 5 pages happen.

also... I'm reading your case on J. I was leaning Town on Kary but this is moreso attributed to him literally getting into everyone's face as if there was no semblance of scum coordination behind the scenes. What do you make of his unvoting of Dark horse to L-3 when I took Dark horse off L-1 out of curiosity?

 

[Kataefi]

welp i'm partying by myself it seems

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbjcSuzcOzw

 

[No Lynch]

@Ran: It was heavily implied from you both voting him, then high fiving NL for asking me to join in.







My bad for thinking you directly asked, but it was clear you approved.


@Both: I could see J being either comfortably (which is why I said he could be mafia or indy and got confused when you started balking about it). Scum is scum though of either flavor and should be disposed of. Him voicing suspicion of DH's slot is null on him, he hasn't actively acted toward it yet toDay instead opting to follow NL onto Kat and bounce from there to me. Kary wasn't devoid of wagon hopping either, if you read D1 he was arguing with everything that moved.

What connections do you see between J and DH that's getting you so hung up on this?

This is so much bull ****. It would have been completely fine for you to simply say that that you were mistaken in Ran asking you to vote, but this is a complete lie. You did not take his hi5 as him approving of me asking you to vote. I have never read such a blatant lie.

Basically here's how the interactions are shaping up from my end on my top 3 picks (J,NL,DH. Inferno is ok if he truly meant it when he said he wasn't trying to Seuss rolefish)

I see a connection between NL and DH since NL was clear on his DH town stance on a few different occasions. So if DH flips scum I want NL more, and vice versa.

Don't see a direct connection between DH and J. Either one flipping is an independant event in my mind until proven otherwise, but would bet either one of them is scum on their own actions alone.

Could see mafia vs. indy perspective on J vs NL. If one flipped mafia I could see the other as indy and vice versa but most likely not mafia together. I would bet we could find our SK in those two, but at least scum if not.

LOL what explain to me how what you find scummy about my play at all. You're saying that J is not necessarily town for having a scum read on DH. But you're saying I'm scum for having a Town read on DH. Complete double-standard showing a false thought process.

You're full of it. Who do you think is most likely scum out of Roxy, JTB, and Sherlock?

Can hardly remember the specifics of my reads from my catch up read a few days ago. Only people I remember liking were Zen, Marshy and Ran. Pleased with J's slot (Kary). I wouldn't miss anyone else. Garg should diediedie, though he's the kind of player that will probably be given a free ticket to endgame because no one wants to lynch a noob and scum's got bigger fish to fry.

I literally haven't read a single post since the start of D2 yet, so gimme a minute to get my bearings again.

How would you not remember you reads lolwut. Isn't this the only game you're in? If you have forgotten, then reread and give a full reads list with reasoning.

 

[No Lynch]

Actually wait can I just say something zen (or soup)...when you pushed me for being "unlike me" (most recent exchange)... I felt like this was based on flawed thinking... i don't want to go into too much detail as to clog up the thread but wouldn't you agree that in every example I highlighted I stepped in with a decisive vision as to what I wanted to do before i did it? E.g. say... my reasons on Swiss in many a game could have been classified as "generic" despite "strong intention to lynch" when I was prepared to lynch him page 2/3 onwards in some games (Halo/Pikmafia/etc)... this never seemed to be a problem with you back then which is why I find this push odd because it was just never a problem. I do want you to reconsider... The only difference back then was me being active enough to pursue more aggressively whereas here I work, blink and suddenly 5 pages happen.

Understandable.

What do you make of his unvoting of Dark horse to L-3 when I took Dark horse off L-1 out of curiosity?

I would very much like to know how you would expect me to answer this question. Give me an example of answer you would expect will you? I would also like to know what information it gives you.

Furthermore I would like to know what you got or expected to get out of asking me those questions about Gheb earlier.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

fos sherlock hound

for being scum

 

[Purple]

Looks like all the mods have been summoned. All we need now is for red ruy to arrive and we can make it a mod party...

Purple you have done... nothing. Who do you think needs looking into?

To be honest, I've snowballed into not knowing anything about anyone.

Except Marshy's the best.

 

[Purple]

From immediate sights though, it looks like No lynch shoudl be looked into, considering he has a lot of dialogue (with possibly) a lot of people. Knowing his intentions would be helpful considering he's a huge role.

 

[No Lynch]

Roxy, vote J.

 

[Purple]

>Asks for vote
>Isn't Marshy.

Nope.

 

[No Lynch]

Marshy tell Purple to vote J.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

/brofist roxy

ive got something or you in a little bit roxy

no lynch you concur with me and jtb that hound is scummity scum?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

for you*

 

[No Lynch]

Yeah we can take care of him after J and Dietz. Roxy can investigate Circus tonight.

We will lynch J > Dietz > Sherlock > Kata/Circus

 

[Inferno3044]

Wait a minute... wasn't DH/Circus Inferno's strongest scumread?

Inferno, why haven't you commented on him or done anything with your scumread ToDay?

Consider it a bad habit but I always give replacements a chance to get in the game. I wanna see what circus has to say especially with his bad position. I wasn't happy with circus's most recent post. I saw the AtE and im not a fan of it.

@marshy - I like your FoS.

 

[No Lynch]

Actually Roxy just investigate any of those 4 after we lynch J. Also keep in mind that indy will show up inno.

 

[No Lynch]

Inferno this is the 3rd time you've ignored #763

 

[Inferno3044]

Actually Roxy just investigate any of those 4 after we lynch J. Also keep in mind that indy will show up inno.

Being lazy because im kinda busy. Where did Roxy claim? Also how do you know that indys will show up as inno?

@Roxy - please be of use. You are almost as disposable as DSH but not as scummy.

 

[Purple]

I can't be very disposable if I'm not scum. I never claimed, J is just a smart cookie.

Also, sorry, I'll try to be of more use, but Mafia games are tiresome to read honestly.

 

[No Lynch]

Inferno indy's often show up as not mafia. And since there was an FBI agent that would be the logical conclusion.

 

[No Lynch]

indy's > indies

 

[Inferno3044]

@763- I initially saw KWK as scummy, but after a reread I decided that there were better lynch candidates. As for DSH I think he's scum and want him dead. I would vote him, but another scum read of mine (J) looks like he has a better chance of being lynched.

 

[No Lynch]

Marsh eeeee

 

[#HBC | marshy]

i dunno. if i was a suicide bomber (the role) id just literally detonate myself to kill sherlock hound right now even tho itd mean removing myself from the game. i also hate the idea of him living so long. meanwhile youve pointed out some weirdness with j but ehhh

jtb strikes me as lazy town and purples voting everyone who i vote so he can definitely live

 

[Inferno3044]

**** it. Sometimes you need to start things yourself.

unvote Vote: detective sherlock hound

 

[#HBC | J]

@j

ok i understand now tho zen/soup look protown right now. might be sk but i can say that about any slot in this game

Yeah they are pro-town and also just a possibility to your asking of why Zen could be white-knighting Circus/DH.

Then Zen has to have a conniption for considering the possibility of something that's somewhat logical about his slot.

J, what did you find scummy about #462?

I asked your opinion on it about what you thought about it. However my thought was like so. The first line he was just trying to appeal to me with his own self-meta, then the next paragraph he goes into then about his DH read which is terrible. He literally was using the sole fact that he replaced out of the game as his basis for his scum-read and that it made his scum-read more concrete. It's a huge reach.

Ditzy then tries to pull in how he knows how to read DH due to playing a single game with him as a scum-buddy when he was V/LA for over half the time he was alive in the game due to CPU shenanigans iirc.

He continues to just sit on his laurels about the read(even to this post where he goes so far as to fixate on me being possibly scum-mates with him) and says "I don't see why others just don't join me". which is making it seem like he has more substantial points than he actually has.

Although I'd rather lynch Inferno first, but I could wagon J. He is just sheeping ya in my opinion.

Or rather, was. (With his Kat suspicion)

No way in heck, Ran. The posts came at the exact same time and I have been the first person to state reasoning as to why Kata should be lynched. Zen actually said his reasonings were my reasonings and that was okay with him. So this statement is just wrong.

So J finds it weird that I find it possible for DH to be scum even though I find Kata to be scum. Yet what is this?

I never said this...? I said I found it weird that you were following your biggest scum-picks scum-reads as well and even willing to settle to work together to get a certain lynch. That does not have a correlation to DHscum read and KataScum read.

Both of his scum pairs are four opposing people. I've been on Kata and Mew has been on Circus. Yet he think it's possible for me and Circus to be scum even though he thinks Kata and Mew are scum. So why would he find it weird/non-townie for me to think the same with regards to Kata and Circus?

What are you even talking about? I wasn't looking at Circus/Ditzy together, I wasn't seperating those two as TvS like I did for you/Kata where I can see both of them being scum, while with you and Kata I only really see one.

Btw J mind explaining your town read on Marshy?

There ain't nothing scummy with the man thus far. He's doing things and pushing who he feels is scum. I don't see scum-intent behind his posts.

Seriously what is with this question?? Marshy can you tell me any sort of information J could get from this question or how I'm even supposed to answer to it? Fake content/question.

Just because you misunderstand the question does not make it fake. Zen, I was asking you if you were planning to make a case or at least show some reasoning to get some people or just go with the flow of just saying we should just lynch Kata/follow what I said. You need to convince people in order to acquire lynches.

This really stood out to me. Why on earth did he feel the need to point out this ninja. It was pretty obvious for one. The fact that J is so concerned with his image is really curious. I don't like it one bit. Look at the intent behind this post and I gurantee you will not find anything town about it. It just reeks of self preservation and image.

I usually always point out ninjas, especially with you so I don't get why this is scummy. Concerned with my image? Not even in the slightest. Am I asking people how they view me or doing things that care about my image? No. The intent of that post is mostly joking and its reaching for a point to try and call me scummy.

lol @ him actually going for my quicklynch bait even though I wasn't even talking about Kata. There is hardly any information on Kata to do such a thing. Not even worthy of being quicklynched. J is so wishy washy in this post. He states that he would kinda be ok with it, but then says he also wants to let kata defend himself. Town J would never even agree to a quick lynch like this. The fact that he tried to agree while giving a middle ground answer shows to me that he was trying to appeal to me while also appealing to kata.

QL bait? Hardly enough info? Kata has info behind his posts and also has connections. Since when does a player need to reach a certain requirement to be lynched? A person should be lynched on how scummy they look. I haven't even defended Kat and I was just being friendly with Kata because of the reasons I stated, that I haven't played with him for a while and I look up to him as a player, however, no where in that post did I defend his actions and was still okay with his lynch. Why do people keep assuming I'm not okay with QL'ing or lynching my scum-reads sooner than just waiting till deadline? Plus it wasn't even a QL because I was the only one pushing it, you were piggybacking what I was doing, and marshy hopped on for the ride. I wasn't appealing to you nor Kata.

So then I explain that I was actually talking about qling dietz not kata and J jumps right on it. But wtf is this fake reasoning? J what is scummy about dietz wanting to lynch Circus? How is it a cop out?? This again tells me J was trying to appeal to me even though he didn't have any legit reasoning. So very yucky.

Yucky? I don't even use that one haha. ;P You kind of have already semi-recanted this point because now you are pointing out how it was scummy for Ditzy to wanna lynch Circus because his reasoning is terrible and he is just sinking his fangs into it and leaving it there. He is just appealing to town with his reasoning against Circus. It's a cop-out for those reasons. I also thought we were working together for pressure and stuff....you hurt me feeling.

Definitely looking at Jdietz upon J's scumflip. J drawing invisible scumtells to Mew's posts tells me he feels that dietz has guilt behind him. It looked to me like he was trying to get some hard distancing on once I mentioned a quick lynch even though there was nothing there. I also don't like how dietz is trying to be so appealing with regards to the mass claim. Really looks like he was putting on a show there. I also don't like how defensice he got when I called him out on not reading earlier.

Invisible scum-tells? I've pointed out all the scum-tells I have found in Ditzy. You can even look at our conversation together. Get some hard distancing? Please, you know that type of distancing isn't even close to ScumJ distancing because when I bus, you know I bus because they do end up dying and get bussed hard. I agree with the bolded though.

@J: Can you give me an opinion on GARG's actions? What do you think of JD's scum read on you?

Garg's actions were waffly and didn't do anything at all. He kept trying to appeal to town (which ironically, the slot continues to do throughout the toDay haha). Plus Garg played entirely different in newbie mafia 13 which was his first game. Garg didn't commit to anything in the game while he was here and did not seem to really care about lynching scum but looking towny.

J, what do you think about your partner JDietz centering himself around DH regarding everything? His reasoning for voting you doesn't make a damn near bit of sense.

I doesn't make sense at all and he is just sheeping an easy wagon. I really don't understand why he jumped on a wagon that is being pushed by one of his big scum-reads and he stated that he didn't have a problem with my slot. However, now when others hop on my slot, he is suddenly content with me dying? Ewwww. Ditzy is just tunneling DH for what he "has" on him and just trying to make it seem like DH is super scummy for stuff that is complete just meeeeh.

Yeah uh Zen was flipping **** about this in the QT and uh J what are you doing

Send him some Hayley gifs with a possible Scarlet Johanson stuff and he will be fine. He needs to calm down before he reads sometimes and posts cases.

Soup, I want your opinion on the Kata-wagon. Your half of the hydra hasn't seemed to comment on much of anything as of late.

Also even though you asked Marshy, I want DSH dead.

Your slot confuses me. Some things about you like this I like but some other things like other interactions with NL make me 2nd guess. J/Karyindy sounds like a good possibility.

Vote: J

....I'm majorly confused with this vote out of all the votes on me. He says he wants DSH dead but then votes me on the "possibility" of me being indy. It does not make sense.

Inferno, why did you hop onto me at this point if you wanted DSH dead and didn't even seem to have a scum-read on me? What part of Zen's case convinced you to want to vote?

 

[#HBC | J]

I almost like died because I thought I lost my post because I thought I did something stupid but thank goodness for it not.

For some reason I thought I had more than 4 votes on me at the time of that post.

Roxy, when did I say I thought you had an investigative?

I also don't get how in the world Kata got pushed back so much on Zen's "to-die" list. Kata wagon is what I waaaant. Will settle for Ditzy. Could see DSH, but I need more of a reason/case before so.

 

[No Lynch]

Roxy was refering to us. Dunno why he got you confused.

Fine.

Vote: Detective

J let's just go this route and don't even think about night killing me.