Epic... Rap... BATTLES OF HISTORY!!! OVER GUESS WHICH SIDE WON

[Jdietz43]

Re-read it is then, I think I'll start it now since I've got Kary to try and get a better feel for as well.

 

[ranmaru]

We got this. I am loving your play this game Ran. Bout write up a case on J.

Yeah we do, it's up to us to win this game.

Marshy is a null but I'd look at him after J/Inferno are gone. I am wondering why he thinks Inferno and Kary/J were not plays. It's like he's trying to **** block my scumhunting instead of finding scum.

Is he even voting yet?

 

[ranmaru]

OH yeah he is.

 

[ranmaru]

That's all I have on him now but I'll re-read him now and let you know if anything sticks out to me

 

[ranmaru]

These quotes are what stand out to me of Marshy, yet are weak...

maybe karys actually scum. no way someone can be so dumb

Here Marshy states Kary might actually be scum, because Kary was breaking down and all... But has Marshy ever move on to Kary/J? No, so this was just him saying that or I dunno wat.

karys deduced the team of me/nl//inferno
and for that i must say good job bro
anyways inferno
kary can live yo

I don't see how the first line causes the Underlined... Weird.

yeah i dunno what the **** i was saying with the claim thing

he might get to stay cuz last i remember dark horse also seemed like hed be the play

but yeah whiz just die please. like vote yourself. im not even kidding

Underlined I don't know what he was talking about (I was reading in Isolation, not in context) But everyone should take a look at what he was talking about. I'll do that in a sec.

lol werd

waddup j lets be town bros

jerkus youre scum dont nk me please

This shows he wants J to be town, which might affect his read on J.

i concur. but there are better targets

And this shows that he agrees Inferno may be a play but that he isn't because there are plenty others to pick from.

Still this doesn't really give me anything solid and I'd just try to work with connections and what he does with ppl, if they are his scumbuddy or not.

What is your opinion, No lynch?

 

[ranmaru]

whiz go head and claim
your play is so lame
sucks you might get to stay
cuz no way in **** scumll kill you anyway

Ah, the claim thing was referring to this. K nevermind, nothing here. Could be possible he put it there to rhyme, it's a null tell to me.

 

[No Lynch]

Why would you join your biggest scum-picks wagon....?

Your weird.

Idk what to make of it yet.

Go drink something towny and get back to me.

So J finds it weird that I find it possible for DH to be scum even though I find Kata to be scum. Yet what is this?

D'aw Gheb, I wanted to play with him actually. My scum-reads are leaning towards Circus/Ditzy and one of Kata/NL. I feel much more strongly about wanting to lynch Kataefi.

Here's why! ^^ The reason being is that Kata's posts come off really odd to me. They seem like he is trying to look like he is doing things but it is a whole lot of nothing and his posts seem to consist mainly of air. The argument he had gotten himself into with Zen seems to lean TvS and Zen's slot is giving me mixed vibes, especially when topped off by Soup's weird play in the beginning of the game. Kata, in my opinion, has just been going with whatever he feels is safe and reminds me heavily of his play in RE4 mafia. Kata just is my biggest scum-pick but I would settle for a Circus' slot lynch or maybe a Ditzy.

The only people I am not okay with lynching are Marshy/Ranmaru/Inferno. Maybe JTB. Roxy is null and SH is very weird for me to analyse intent.

Vote: Kataefi

Kata, who are you planning on pursuing toDay and what did you of players such as JTB/SH/Roxy. Do you think you can convince me of lynching Zen if it came down to you two? ;P Out of Ditzy and Circus, who makes the best lynch?

Marshy, who do you want dead and gone?

JTB/Roxy/SH category, can I get some reads from you three? I would like at least 2-3 strong reads whether they be town or scum. I'd prefer scum but I'll take what I can get.

NL, you feel Kata is scummy as of yesterDay correct? Would you lynch him with me over someone like Garg/DH's slot?

That's all for now. ^^

Both of his scum pairs are four opposing people. I've been on Kata and Mew has been on Circus. Yet he think it's possible for me and Circus to be scum even though he thinks Kata and Mew are scum. So why would he find it weird/non-townie for me to think the same with regards to Kata and Circus?

Btw J mind explaining your town read on Marshy?

Zen, you are not obvtown this game and, for me, I am really curious to see your push on Kata in more detail. Can you give me some bullet reasoning as to why I should stay on Kata in your opinion and how you plan on convincing others to join in?

Seriously what is with this question?? Marshy can you tell me any sort of information J could get from this question or how I'm even supposed to answer to it? Fake content/question.

Zen, screw you and your ninjas of me this game so far.

;_; Makes me look like a copy cat.

Mew? Oooh Kat. I would kind of be alright with that. But I like Kata so giving him a fair chance to explain his actions would be nice since I haven't played with him in soooo long and he's like a mentor for me. (Terrible reasoning I know but I just meeeh)

This really stood out to me. Why on earth did he feel the need to point out this ninja. It was pretty obvious for one. The fact that J is so concerned with his image is really curious. I don't like it one bit. Look at the intent behind this post and I gurantee you will not find anything town about it. It just reeks of self preservation and image.

Mew? Oooh Kat. I would kind of be alright with that. But I like Kata so giving him a fair chance to explain his actions would be nice since I haven't played with him in soooo long and he's like a mentor for me. (Terrible reasoning I know but I just meeeh)

lol @ him actually going for my quicklynch bait even though I wasn't even talking about Kata. There is hardly any information on Kata to do such a thing. Not even worthy of being quicklynched. J is so wishy washy in this post. He states that he would kinda be ok with it, but then says he also wants to let kata defend himself. Town J would never even agree to a quick lynch like this. The fact that he tried to agree while giving a middle ground answer shows to me that he was trying to appeal to me while also appealing to kata.

Wanna deal with Kata toMorrowish and lynch Ditzy/Garg? Circus vote with appeal to "why are you NOT on this wagon?" seems cop-outish/easy.

So then I explain that I was actually talking about qling dietz not kata and J jumps right on it. But wtf is this fake reasoning? J what is scummy about dietz wanting to lynch Circus? How is it a cop out?? This again tells me J was trying to appeal to me even though he didn't have any legit reasoning. So very yucky.

Zen,

Kata or Ditzy(Mew) based on ditzy's last post.

~J

Unvote
Vote: Ditzy

Pattern?

May actually just go Circus if Soup wants to do that. I'm not really sure where I want to go right now. Need to do some review and I'd like to see Inferno's response to Kata.

Eh, my voting is being sloppy but idc.

Unvote
Vote: Kataefi

He really should go toDay. Ditzy's 50/50. Circus could be scum, but I need to see him post his thoughts.

@Ditzy: Scum-read on Zen seems OMGUS, real or not real?

So let's look at that first quote. J is refering to Dietz 624. But there was nothing scummy in that post lol. Again, J I ask what was scummy in that post to you?

J is again taking my "what do you think about quicklynchin mew bait". He jumped right on the chance, even though there is absolutely nothing there. And then once he sees that I'm acutally not going to jump on it, he hops right off on back to Kata and calls dietz a 50/50. Tell me J, how is Dietz a 50/50 to you? What happened to the scum tells you were just finding in his posts?

You said you think scum is between Dietz/Circus and Kata/No Lynch. You have also expressed the belief that Scum probably isn't pushing scum. Your biggest scum read is Kata who is pushing Circus. So wouldn't that make Dietz scun to you? How would he be a 50/50?

OH we gonna lynch scum today today today yall.

Possible scum-buddies with DH's slot being important to their side of things.

Possibilities.

DH's slot could contain an important scum PR therefore it could be more valuable for scum to protect that slot ya see?

lol and this just sets it all off. Trying to make this kind of connection. It is very well known that whiteknighting is a part of my playstyle. Look how hard I defended dietz in SF2. He turned out to be scum. But there is actually never a time in which I have actually defended my scum buddy and J very well knows this. J knows my play in and out better than almost anyone. That's why I know that this is such a bs connection he is trying to make here. Not to mention I have hardly defended DH. I've simply expressed my opinion of him being town. And another thing, I give a rats arse about PRs. This is known. Why on earth would I care to try and keep DARK HORSE of all people alive lol. I'd bus him on the spot. Sure this is all self meta, but it also meta that J KNOWS IN AND OUT. Shoot even if he was trying to make this connection to any other player, I'd call him out on it. It's fake, manipulative attempt to connect us as scum and I do not see town intent behind this one bit.

And that my freinds shows the scum in J. Who we are lynching today. I don't care how townie Kary's play was. He's quite good at being scum that's for sure just based on newbie. And there's no way J is being excused for that.

 

[No Lynch]

@Ran: I actually find that claim post from Marshy pretty out of character. It kind of felt like he had second thoughts on Whiz, but still trying to push the lynch anyways. I noticed a couple of times he asked about switching the lynch to Garg, but I'm actually taking that as town tell from Marshy now that I look at it. It tells me he was actally putting thought into Whiz, but stuck to it for the sake of sticking to his guns. That part doesn't matter so much because I did the same thing. It's the fact that he was putting thought into that matters. I'm ok with Marshy based on what you've put out.

 

[No Lynch]

Definitely looking at Jdietz upon J's scumflip. J drawing invisible scumtells to Mew's posts tells me he feels that dietz has guilt behind him. It looked to me like he was trying to get some hard distancing on once I mentioned a quick lynch even though there was nothing there. I also don't like how dietz is trying to be so appealing with regards to the mass claim. Really looks like he was putting on a show there. I also don't like how defensice he got when I called him out on not reading earlier.

 

[ranmaru]

@In reference to No Lynch's previous post:

Null-scum so far on J himself, didn't like that he pressured me but not for any of Garg's actions and instead seemed to try and make a case on me myself before anything actually happened. Waiting to see how he responds to his weird comment about DH being a PR and all his "possibilities". If he can't explain that with some semblance of logic it's going to turn into a scum read. The fact I could barely read Kary D1 due to copious fighting with KWK however doesn't help and makes my take on his slot fairly dubious.


Vote: J

I'll lend you my vote for now, just promise me you'll consider DH as a lynch as well. I'll be waiting to hear J's response and your write-up.

It's possible JD can be scum because he hasn't ever commented on J as a scum read I think, ToDay at least. I tried looking back D1 with his comments on Kary and didn't see a thing, yet I did see him agreeing with me about his scumminess. JD please quote your posts of suspicion towards that slot.

Also check this out:

Circus>Inferno>Zen

This was JD's lynch order. No J in sight.

Anyways, look at the underlined. JD is saying he didn't like J for pushing on him for things Garg has done, yet J has FOS'd JD for HIS own actions, even though the suspicion was very sloppy. It shows that JD isn't really looking at J's actions and may have been putting in his own reasons to appeal to us wagoning J. Also since Garg has sheeped INferno and just lurked off the face of the planet, AND since both Kary/Inferno defended Garg hard.

 

[ranmaru]

Personal lynch order so far is Circus>Inferno>Zen



Zen, mind elaborating on what your thought process was for the KWK lynch? Iirc you were the one trying to get most people to join the wagon, and were the first to invite me to do so upon joining the game.


@Ninja: every game...

Here is the quote of JD's lynch order btw

 

[ranmaru]

@Ran: I actually find that claim post from Marshy pretty out of character. It kind of felt like he had second thoughts on Whiz, but still trying to push the lynch anyways. I noticed a couple of times he asked about switching the lynch to Garg, but I'm actually taking that as town tell from Marshy now that I look at it. It tells me he was actally putting thought into Whiz, but stuck to it for the sake of sticking to his guns. That part doesn't matter so much because I did the same thing. It's the fact that he was putting thought into that matters. I'm ok with Marshy based on what you've put out.

I felt it was more of a "It's time to die for you" kind of thing. From that post, I can't really tell if Marshy was really second guessing on Whiz. I wouldn't let a little thing like that affect my read because it wouldn't really determine alignment. It'd just make me second guess myself. It's different with strong meta tells that you KNOW the player would/wouldn't do.

And that's fine. Just keep watch on him in later days for me tho.

 

[ranmaru]

EBWOP: #690:

I mis-read the underlined. JD said he didn't like J for pressuring HIS own actions yet not even commenting on Garg's actions. I don't see this as something that warrants suspicion, and still seems like he made it up on the spot just to agree with us. I also don't see why JD didn't ask J about him not commenting on Garg if he had a prob with that.

@J: Can you give me an opinion on GARG's actions? What do you think of JD's scum read on you?

 

[ranmaru]

Oh and the rest of his suspicion is consensus, none of his own original thought

 

[#HBC | marshy]

i challenge someone to a rap battle

 

[Jdietz43]

@Ran: The key here is to understand my relationship with J as a player. In all three games we've been in (all of which are still going) he's had a scum read on me, and I have had some omgus problems in the past with that. For that reason I didn't want to add J to the list simply for suspecting me yet, as it's apparently his MO. (note the "every game..." quote) Was willing to lend the vote to see where NL would go with it however, and since it seems he agrees that J was full of hot air that makes me feel better about the situation.

Not realizing that J and Kary were the same slot also had an impact. I haven't given out many reads yet, but I had a negative one of Kary after the KWK town flip. Kary butted heads with nearly every player in the game, often in a non-constructive way, and I remember reading his argument with KWK and feeling it was TvS. Now that KWK has flipped town, Kary (and by relation J) looks worse. Kary had some strange stances at times, some of which Inferno has touched on such as looking for Indies instead of mafia, and being a hypocrite to KWK by saying:

Also it's as though you've never heard of scum trying to jam up the thread with confusion and pointless questions. Arguably not giving any more ammunition to a player I have scum suspicions on is a pro-town move, it lets people examine their own play more.
Oh yeah, and then I ACTUALLY GAVE THE CONENT

Put these two pieces together and you'll see why I'm fine with him being pushed.

 

[Jdietz43]

As far as me being concerned that J was attacking me specifically without any particular reason, rather than coming after my slot in general (due to garg), it can be summed up pretty well by looking at his first attack on me. Which is for simply being annoyed that NL was being snarky, something funny to comment on maybe, but not something to call someone scum for. His suspicions didn't get a whole lot better, attempting to use the fact that I was "needling everyone" who talked to me before I'd even had 5 posts in the game and running with it from there. I found it pretty weird he thought like this and didn't even talk about garg (which I assume would be the best/only reason to have been pushing my slot at that point), but due to his nature of always doing this I felt it was best to simply stay put and fend him off for the time being, at least until he did a few more things.


I'm sorry this wasn't fully communicated before NL brought it up, but I can tell you that's the end of my scum-reads at this time however. If you have any other questions about my reads now is a good time to ask before it becomes a question again.

i challenge someone to a rap battle

I accept.


PS: Upon my re-read skim Marshy is a fairly large null to me, I'll be waiting to see what he does in this new scenario we're presented with. He's got a positive note from me for being critical of DH, but beyond that he hasn't really done much beyond push KWK and briefly think about settling for Garg.

 

[No Lynch]

why do you think scum killed gheb?

Fearkill? Ulterior Motive? Dunno.

Oh god J just oh god... oh god... oh wooooowwwwww so scummy man so so scummy. but kary was so town. but maybe he wasn't wow just wut is this stuff man wat the heck soupa why is j playing so weird

Unvote


.... J

I was 100% sure Kary was town, I'm re-reading so I'm sure I'll get to your J case soon.

Null-scum so far on J himself, didn't like that he pressured me but not for any of Garg's actions and instead seemed to try and make a case on me myself before anything actually happened. Waiting to see how he responds to his weird comment about DH being a PR and all his "possibilities". If he can't explain that with some semblance of logic it's going to turn into a scum read. The fact I could barely read Kary D1 due to copious fighting with KWK however doesn't help and makes my take on his slot fairly dubious.


Vote: J

I'll lend you my vote for now, just promise me you'll consider DH as a lynch as well. I'll be waiting to hear J's response and your write-up.

JDietz, why are you clinging onto your DH read without sufficient reason to back it up? Who is his partner if he's scum?

 

[No Lynch]

You have some serious obsession problems with DH right now Ditz, skimming your posts I don't think there is one time you haven't brought him up. Why the obsession? And if you have it, vote him? What are you waiting on? Convince me to vote him or stop talking about it.

 

[No Lynch]

Null-scum so far on J himself, didn't like that he pressured me but not for any of Garg's actions and instead seemed to try and make a case on me myself before anything actually happened. Waiting to see how he responds to his weird comment about DH being a PR and all his "possibilities". If he can't explain that with some semblance of logic it's going to turn into a scum read. The fact [/b]I could barely read Kary D1 due to copious fighting with KWK however doesn't help and makes my take on his slot fairly dubious.[/b]


Vote: J

I'll lend you my vote for now, just promise me you'll consider DH as a lynch as well. I'll be waiting to hear J's response and your write-up.

JDietz + J partners? I dig it.

 

[No Lynch]

J, what do you think about your partner JDietz centering himself around DH regarding everything? His reasoning for voting you doesn't make a damn near bit of sense.

 

[No Lynch]

DH's slot could contain an important scum PR therefore it could be more valuable for scum to protect that slot ya see?

Yeah uh Zen was flipping **** about this in the QT and uh J what are you doing

 

[No Lynch]

Where's our vote?

Vote: J
Vote: JDietz

Would be nice to be a double-voter.

Vote: J

 

[No Lynch]

Now I remember why I had Marshy as ok: he was up for lynching DH, whereas Zen thought he was town for no real explained reason.

@J: Wut? Wanna explain that out for us so we can actually follow you. I agree DH's slot is scummy, but I don't see where you're getting PR from.

So what's your reasoning to vote J? He finds your biggest scum-read to be scum also, yet you vote him because of his comment on DH being an important PR? How the hell is he paired with DH at this point? Or is that something you haven't though of?

 

[No Lynch]

I like how Ranmaru is the only person I can trust this game, you guys are getting beat out by Ranmaru.

STEP IT UP

 

[No Lynch]

Now here's the real question for you two, why aren't you killing the **** out of Circus (DH's old slot)?

Vote: Circus

hahahahaah

 

[#HBC | marshy]

I like how Ranmaru is the only person I can trust this game, you guys are getting beat out by Ranmaru.

STEP IT UP

but im obvtown

 

[No Lynch]

JDietz is scum, J is his partner and Kata might be the SK, last scum partner is in the inactives

gg wp

 

[No Lynch]

@Zen, Do you wanna Lynch JDietz first or J? Either one can go today.

 

[Jdietz43]

Soup you're ********, get Zen back on the line. Kthnx.

I know DH is scum for reverse John logic (ask Zen): he already crumpled under pressure. I.e. he's guilty. I've never seen scum-DH NOT do it, and he did it this game. (though to be fair, I've never seen non-scum DH either)
I'm voting J because his slot will clearly lynch and attack anyone, often for little to no reason. Just read Kary and J so far and tell me they aren't all over the place. I suspect one of DH/J to be indy personally (we did have an FBI agent flip). Either that or J simply enjoys bussing.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

maw****as call me marshy
or the next b.i.g.!
a fool thinks he can beat me and his names jDIETZ
beat me, hah, pffft what a RIOT
he not even gonna wanna post no mo
cuz im boutta wipe the flo
with his face
my level is what he gives chase
but befo DAT
LONG BATS
to da head
maw****as dead!!

 

[No Lynch]

Soup you're ********, get Zen back on the line. Kthnx.

I know DH is scum for reverse John logic (ask Zen): he already crumpled under pressure. I.e. he's guilty. I've never seen scum-DH NOT do it, and he did it this game. (though to be fair, I've never seen non-scum DH either)
I'm voting J because his slot will clearly lynch and attack anyone, often for little to no reason. Just read Kary and J so far and tell me they aren't all over the place. I suspect one of DH/J to be indy personally (we did have an FBI agent flip). Either that or J simply enjoys bussing.

Okay, cool. So which is it? Why do you think J is bussing? Why are you voting him for voting DH? I realize you don't like the slot already but why put priority over DH? Tell me that.

 

[No Lynch]

Also, Indy? Where are you suddenly getting Indy? Please tell me you're not backing out on them.

 

[Jdietz43]

maw****as call me marshy
or the next b.i.g.!
a fool thinks he can beat me and his names jDIETZ
beat me, hah, pffft what a RIOT
he not even gonna wanna post no mo
cuz im boutta wipe the flo
with his face
my level is what he gives chase
but befo DAT
LONG BATS
to da head
maw****as dead!!

I will get to you after my finals... I swear it

Okay, cool. So which is it? Why do you think J is bussing? Why are you voting him for voting DH? I realize you don't like the slot already but why put priority over DH? Tell me that.

You tell me, you're the one who thinks it's impossible for them to both be scum (which I don't see any indication that would sway your opinion that way). I'm not voting him for voting DH, if anything that would be a reason not to vote for him, read my posts (or even better his argument against me) for some lovely reasons he's willing to murdalize anyone anytime for whatever. Your slot and Ran flat out asked me to, I ceded I'd loan my vote for the effort.

Also, Indy? Where are you suddenly getting Indy? Please tell me you're not backing out on them.

FBI Agent heavily implies SK is roaming about so it's a possibility worth mentioning since for some reason you don't think they're scum-mates. I'm not backing out on them, they can both die.

I suggest you get your act together with Zen as well, this scizo deal isn't very effective for getting things done (last time you pulled it, you lied on my scum behalf straight to a vig shot)

 

[Jdietz43]

(If you were asking me which one I thought would be more likely to be indy, I'd say J. Kary's behavior seems pretty loose cannon/lone gun moreso than DH)

 

[No Lynch]

You tell me

wgat

you're the one who thinks it's impossible for them to both be scum (which I don't see any indication that would sway your opinion that way).

wgat

 

[No Lynch]

Why are you suddenly pairing J with DH?
Why are you expecting me to know your own motive?

I'm asking you questions, answer them.

 

[No Lynch]

Why do you imply that J is possibly indy yet still pair him with being scum with DH?

 

[Jdietz43]

Why are you suddenly pairing J with DH?
Why are you expecting me to know your own motive?

I'm asking you questions, answer them.

Dude, you're the one who's implying all these things. I'm just trying to find scum. I think both J and DH's slots are scum, with or without each other. I have no idea what your brain has paired them as or not paired them as.

Because if you read what I post you'd already know my motive? I already answered your questions, now you're just babbling incoherently. (don't know what wgat stands for)

Seriously, get Zen back on the line. He actually understands how speaking works.

 

[ranmaru]

Jd when did I tell you to vote j?

Is j scum or indy? R u voting him for bein indy or scum?