GOD ****IT!
this is too hard... replace <3 eor, lol.
this is too hard... replace <3 eor, lol.
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Eor's Hellhouse Mafia - Night 2 (totally cancelled)
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wait... <3, you're just going to replace yourself?
I didn't plan on killing you. I planned on doing this for everyone... didn't you guys?
I didn't plan on killing you. I planned on doing this for everyone... didn't you guys?
No, it doesn't make sense to vote for everyone. We're more likely to off a mafia than a townie that way. Or maybe we won't accidentally lynch them. Maybe we'll just force them to roleclaim, and own up to their half-vote handicap, making it that much easier for the mafia to force a lynch later on in the game.
It makes sense to test you this way because there's some kind of evidence that you could be Misa, and this is a likely handicap for a Misa role to have. It makes no sense to test everyone the same way, because it's more likely to harm the town than it is the mafia.
And just in case anyone is tempted to accuse me of making this argument to avoid getting myself half-voted, I'll tell you right now that you're free to do so at any time. I wouldn't mind a bit, because it won't kill me or force me to reveal my role. But it might force others to do that, and that's why I'm against testing everyone with a half-vote.
Seriously?
Just play at the level you feel comfortable playing at. You don't have to put the amount of effort into it that you were putting in early game, although I'm sure people would appreciate that. You can just put as much time in as you feel like putting in, and you'll still be superior to quite a few of the other players here.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
I'm pretty sure he was joking.
smashman90
Smash Lord
Yeah, we were gonna to do this to everybody if I am not mistaken. We just choosed you first because you seemed to be the most likely be Misa. I volunteer to be next(I want to get this over with). It's just an experiment, that's all.
<3 wasn't joking.
It's been mildly difficult since the beginning, now going from one non thrid person activity (such as IMing and general forum surfing) make coming back to this thread and post even simple one liners a tad more difficult.
oh <3's last post and this is in regards to saying "me" in two consecutive posts.
@Tom: <3 isn't worried about you voting him out he understands your plan completely and agrees with it.
unvote: <3
It's been mildly difficult since the beginning, now going from one non thrid person activity (such as IMing and general forum surfing) make coming back to this thread and post even simple one liners a tad more difficult.
oh <3's last post and this is in regards to saying "me" in two consecutive posts.
@Tom: <3 isn't worried about you voting him out he understands your plan completely and agrees with it.
unvote: <3
under the current logic only an eye carrier can have this draw back. <3 and by his logic everyone that voted for him is willing to take that risk of potentially killing a town member. <3 has just a big a chance of anyone as being town and dying in half the votes yet we went through with it anyway why should it be different for others especially when the logic is founded on the idea that only mafia and independents are susceptible?
Even if <3 was against it <3 is positive the community would have voted for him up to half anyway, lol.
Even if <3 was against it <3 is positive the community would have voted for him up to half anyway, lol.
No, you have a higher than average chance of being Misa because of your third person thing. I, personally, greatly doubt that Misa would be town. In the manga and anime, she showed herself to be even more willing to kill innocents than Kira was, so why would she be town? She might be independent or perhaps even mafia, but almost certainly not town.
Also, I didn't hear anyone claim that only people with the Shinigami eyes (if they're even in the game) would be handicapped by a half-vote lynch or something similar. What "current logic" are you talking about, here?
Okay... If I'm following correctly, you thought it was a bad idea because townies could die just as easily as mafia or indies, but since we did it, you went with it? That makes sense.
Okay, we got <3 up to 8 votes, and nothing happened. We need to stick to our word and do this to everyone. Seeing as how nobody did anything until I started it earlier, I guess I'll keep us going.
unvote: <3
vote: Tom
Okay, we got <3 up to 8 votes, and nothing happened. We need to stick to our word and do this to everyone. Seeing as how nobody did anything until I started it earlier, I guess I'll keep us going.
unvote: <3
vote: Tom
vote: Tom
I supported half-voting <3. I did not support half-voting anyone else, and I still don't. I'm certainly not going to cast a vote in a half-vote on anyone unless I think there's some kind of evidence suggesting that they're either Misa or Kira.
I've already explained my reasons behind my posistion over the last couple of pages.
Ah, what the hell you guys. The deal probably hasn't even been made yet. Just promise me that if you go through with this today, you won't all be burnt out on the plan by the time it is actually likely to work.
How would we know when the deal takes place? Whenever we decide Kira has probably done something?
Right now I'm following through with the plan because I don't think it would be right for me to do it to <3 without doing it to myself. After I'm out, I'll vote for others as long as the movement continues, but I am starting to agree with you, Medi & redcell.
And don't worry. I'd be willing to do this at any time, in a few days or tomorrow or whenever.
Right now I'm following through with the plan because I don't think it would be right for me to do it to <3 without doing it to myself. After I'm out, I'll vote for others as long as the movement continues, but I am starting to agree with you, Medi & redcell.
And don't worry. I'd be willing to do this at any time, in a few days or tomorrow or whenever.
Hmm.. how should this be said.
Character has nothing to do with alignment we shouldn't assume it so.
Character has nothing to do with alignment we shouldn't assume it so.
<3 still thinks we should do it to everyone, <3 speaks in third person like countless fiction and nonfictional characters a like. By vote for him simply because of this it proves that you were willing to risk his potentially being town off of very very little evidence. What if <3 is a pokemon or something and no one likes him so he dies in half votes? who knows...
The point is you were taking just as much risk voting <3 as you'd be doing with any other member.
The point is you were taking just as much risk voting <3 as you'd be doing with any other member.
Thats true, we were basing a lot of our suspicions off your possibly being Misa and therefore counterproductive to the town... somewhat due to the level of suspicion of us on you and (personally) partially because of the threat of Kira.
Its a tough situation, and both sides are right. We have every right to be afraid of Misa or shinigami eyes, but at the same time, the odds of your being a complete 'nother role is very large. You could be a pokemon or Bob Dole or The Rock or anything that sometimes speaks in the third person.
And you're right: character has nothing to do with alignment and we shouldn't assume such. Maybe you guys were right on day one, maybe I should have backed off of this whole 'Death Note Mafia' ideal.
note: if you guys are paying attention, the votes are still moving from <3 to me.
Its a tough situation, and both sides are right. We have every right to be afraid of Misa or shinigami eyes, but at the same time, the odds of your being a complete 'nother role is very large. You could be a pokemon or Bob Dole or The Rock or anything that sometimes speaks in the third person.
And you're right: character has nothing to do with alignment and we shouldn't assume such. Maybe you guys were right on day one, maybe I should have backed off of this whole 'Death Note Mafia' ideal.
note: if you guys are paying attention, the votes are still moving from <3 to me.
This is simply false.
In the vast majority of mafia games where characters are taken from fiction and history, the nominally "good" characters are made town. The "bad" or "evil" characters are made mafia. It's not absolute, but it's impossible to deny a strong correlation here.
The character of Misa definitely falls on the "evil" end of the spectrum, so it's a good bet that she's either mafia or independent.
Yes, the risk is exactly the same as it would be if we were to half-vote anyone.
The difference is, the possibility of reward is a bit higher, and that was enough for me to support half-voting you even though I don't support it in general.
You should understand my reasoning here. In these games, there aren't usually any clear answers. It's about weighing the possible benefit against the possible detriment, and seeing which way the scales tip.
And then this makes more sense than what <3 said. =/
I think I'm too tired right now, and being too easily influenced by everyone. I'll come back after school tomorrow and read up.
From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!
Medi, doesn't what you just said go against what you said way earlier, how Eor might make Jesus mafia because of his religious beliefs, or just for fun or whatever?
Plus, I would pin Hiemie as a good guy, but he was Mafia likely because of the way he would seem intimidating to new smashboards members, with his unique black name, he was pretty strict when he was big on modding the PRoom, and he's one of the gatekeepers of the Back Room, the promised land.
Medi, doesn't what you just said go against what you said way earlier, how Eor might make Jesus mafia because of his religious beliefs, or just for fun or whatever?
Plus, I would pin Hiemie as a good guy, but he was Mafia likely because of the way he would seem intimidating to new smashboards members, with his unique black name, he was pretty strict when he was big on modding the PRoom, and he's one of the gatekeepers of the Back Room, the promised land.
in the smash brothers mafia game jiggilypuff was the godfather nana was also a member as well as zelda. The whole model of this game is chaos, one way to quickly and easily create that is to make the bad guys good and the good guys bad.
Complete chaos. Especially with a mindset focused on good = good, bad = bad
From what <3 hears of this fast food mafia you guys literally sat down with a list of names and could reliably guess who was good and who was evil why would Eor want a situation so easy to play and simple like this to arise. Saying "Oh my role is 'Bob the Builder', I must be town" is a horrible defense proven or like in Lombardi's case not.
This game is not cannon to the series where it pulls it's completely random characters from, there is no reason to assume each character falls where they land, correct <3 if that is undeniably false.
For a person that assumes <3 can kill people if they say "I am town." you sure are making a very baseless assumption.
and yes, 'love bringing that up.
Complete chaos. Especially with a mindset focused on good = good, bad = bad
From what <3 hears of this fast food mafia you guys literally sat down with a list of names and could reliably guess who was good and who was evil why would Eor want a situation so easy to play and simple like this to arise. Saying "Oh my role is 'Bob the Builder', I must be town" is a horrible defense proven or like in Lombardi's case not.
This game is not cannon to the series where it pulls it's completely random characters from, there is no reason to assume each character falls where they land, correct <3 if that is undeniably false.
For a person that assumes <3 can kill people if they say "I am town." you sure are making a very baseless assumption.
and yes, 'love bringing that up.
I brought it up as a possibility, yeah.
Notice how, when Jesus was roleclaimed, I didn't pursue that angle. That's because even thought it was possible that the role was mafia, I didn't think it was likely.
Also, from what I know of Eor's personal beliefs, I don't see any reason why he would make Misa town. I had a reason for bringing up the possibility with the role of Jesus. I don't see any such reason to even suspect that Misa is town.
That said, I think this is a fairly minor issue.
Alright, that makes some sense.
Give me some similarly plausible reasoning for Misa being town, and I might agree with you.
Okay, fine.
But we've got Leonidas, who's the hero of his particular tale. What side is he on? Town.
Then we've got Hiemie and the Anime Nerd, who I doesn't fall into the typical "good and evil" archetypes.
Essentially, I'm basing my assumption on one piece of evidence, because that's all I have to base anything on. I'm not saying it's infallible, or that there couldn't be a nominally "evil" character who winds up town. I'm saying that with the evidence we have, this is the most sensible conclusion to draw.
No, it's not a horrible defense, not when that role is almost definitely going to be in the game. If somebody fakes a roleclaim on Jesus in this game, the real Jesus should call him on it, unless he's got an amazing role. He didn't.
That means the roleclaim is probably true.
You know why I assume it? Because most of the time it's true, and you know it as well as I do.
There are exceptions, absolutely. But you look at the majority of the character-based mafia games on these forums, and the majority of them have the bad characters as mafia and the good characters as town. You look at the roles of the players who've been killed in this game, and all the roles you'd label as "evil" are mafia.
I think that's a pretty solid base to make this assumption on. If you don't agree, then I find myself wondering what reason you have for disagreeing.
I don't understand why you find it necessary to mischaracterize my actions.
I never assumed anything about your role. I merely recognized that as a possibility, and determined that now the risks outweighed the rewards. I explained that at the time, and I've explained it again and again as you keep bringing it up.
You're really stuck on this issue, and it's not at all constructive.
While I agree that how a character or person really is should have nothing to do with the character in this particular game, I feel that no matter what, assumptions will be made based off of the roles. I've never seen Deathnote, but I automatically think of Kira as an independent because of how everyone has described him. I know this isn't how I should view it, but in this particular character's case I think his (potential) ability just says, "independent".
Personally I think people are putting way too much stock in the Deathnote theories and not focusing enough on the stuff we do know or what has been posted. But then again I'm finding it very difficult at the moment to find anything because the boards are working like crap for me.
While <3's speaking in third person is one of the few things that stands out at this point in the game I don't really think we can get much out of this right now. Until we get more information I think everyone is going to keep questioning <3 and his motives and end up getting nowhere.
I also have to agree with Mediocre on not continuing with the voting on everyone, one because it somewhat distracting, and two because it has just as good of potential to hurt the town as it does do anything else.
Personally I think people are putting way too much stock in the Deathnote theories and not focusing enough on the stuff we do know or what has been posted. But then again I'm finding it very difficult at the moment to find anything because the boards are working like crap for me.
While <3's speaking in third person is one of the few things that stands out at this point in the game I don't really think we can get much out of this right now. Until we get more information I think everyone is going to keep questioning <3 and his motives and end up getting nowhere.
I also have to agree with Mediocre on not continuing with the voting on everyone, one because it somewhat distracting, and two because it has just as good of potential to hurt the town as it does do anything else.
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I came back on sunday and I read what I missed this morning and didnt have much to say but now I think since we went through that whole half-vote experiment we should maybe look more deeply into flipstar's alignment. I think someone else already posted his voting history.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
I'd like to be a replacement.
Mr.Lombardi34
Smash Ace
Lol the all-Powerful eor has posted using only 2 characters.
Well, yeah, the whole expeiriment thing is over now. Either he isn't misa, he didn't make the deal, or that isn't the effect of the deal...or there is no deal. I think we'll need more evidence on <3 until we can truly have any basis to lynch him. On the other hand, KevinM is STILL my FoS.
Well, to get us started on...starting...KevinM, why do you think that <3 was not killed or even bruised last night? Clearly he is intelligent and thourough, and if the mafia/someone bad can target 3 people (Or three people can each target one), why wasn't <3 one of the bruised? Wiki, Mediocre, and Kitty are all reletively intelligent mafia players, so it is unlikely that the attacks were somehow random. Kevin, just for the sake of questioning, why do you think <3 was not targetted?
Well, yeah, the whole expeiriment thing is over now. Either he isn't misa, he didn't make the deal, or that isn't the effect of the deal...or there is no deal. I think we'll need more evidence on <3 until we can truly have any basis to lynch him. On the other hand, KevinM is STILL my FoS.
Well, to get us started on...starting...KevinM, why do you think that <3 was not killed or even bruised last night? Clearly he is intelligent and thourough, and if the mafia/someone bad can target 3 people (Or three people can each target one), why wasn't <3 one of the bruised? Wiki, Mediocre, and Kitty are all reletively intelligent mafia players, so it is unlikely that the attacks were somehow random. Kevin, just for the sake of questioning, why do you think <3 was not targetted?
I know I'm not KevinM, but personally I feel that <3 is most likely town, maybe independent. Flipstar's early problem with <3's plan to say "I am town" plus his vote on <3 lead me to believe that they were not allied.
As to why he wasn't targeted. Would you have targeted him? Of all the people who are talking on a regular basis <3 has caused some of the most confusion and dissent among the town. His "I am town" and his "read, read, read" have caused at least page or two of argument/discussion.
I don't agree with <3's play style in this game, because I think it, along with his talking in the third person (which I know he can't help), has caused confusion among the town. I do feel that he has had some important input and is willing to ask necessary questions.
what if bruising is a mafia ability?
lets expand on that. What if bruising is a mafia ability used simply to create confusion?
Mr.Lombardi34
Smash Ace
If it is then why would they not kill also? I don't think we'll be able to guarantee that we know if it's a mafia ability right now anyway.
Also, matunas, I wanted Kevin to answer for a reason. He's not gonna slip up if he can now say "Yes, matunas is right" now can he?
Also, matunas, I wanted Kevin to answer for a reason. He's not gonna slip up if he can now say "Yes, matunas is right" now can he?
Handorin
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Or it could be they mark those they want to kill, and the next night they can kill one of the three. *shrug*
But if you read Day 2's first post, it said they had bruises, but other than that they were fine. I dont think any deaths or actions will come as a result of the particular attacker or bruises, but mafia might kill one to cause us to believe it was a cause.
So, I suggest we move on from the bruises.
And since the expirament is over:
Unvote: <3
**** IT SITE! Made a long post and it deleted it...
basically it said what if the marks do nothing at all and those marks are there just to create confusion. It went on to say what if the mafia intentionally selected their own members (or just 1 or 2) in order to get negative attention off of them and on that cocky <3 guy or TMW. Oh, <3 only says himself because he is the only "smart poster" mentioned directly by Lombardi.
That unposted post also said <3 suspects Lombardi. The logic is fueled by Medi's newfound unyielding faith in the "good character must me town philosophy." that directly conficlits with earlier statements made. This combined with the fact that he demanded Lombardi claim jesus and he immediately followed suit. <3 has hinted at the idea that Lombardi is mafia for a while but he'll just flat out say thats what he believes now.
Some where in there is also mentioned, and this was in response to Lombardi asking "why wasn't <3 night killed?", <3 may not of been night killed because as the mafia sees it the best way to remove him is to have town agree on it, this way it is not they who are at fault but the town itself, this would also help to bring attention away from the list of his suspect made earlier. If <3 was night killed players would immediately suspect those he suspected to be the culprits, if that list is accurate it goes without saying that is bad.
For the record <3 still suspects KevinM and would like to hear his take on the bruises, <3 also now suspects Handorin.
If this doesn't post....
basically it said what if the marks do nothing at all and those marks are there just to create confusion. It went on to say what if the mafia intentionally selected their own members (or just 1 or 2) in order to get negative attention off of them and on that cocky <3 guy or TMW. Oh, <3 only says himself because he is the only "smart poster" mentioned directly by Lombardi.
That unposted post also said <3 suspects Lombardi. The logic is fueled by Medi's newfound unyielding faith in the "good character must me town philosophy." that directly conficlits with earlier statements made. This combined with the fact that he demanded Lombardi claim jesus and he immediately followed suit. <3 has hinted at the idea that Lombardi is mafia for a while but he'll just flat out say thats what he believes now.
Some where in there is also mentioned, and this was in response to Lombardi asking "why wasn't <3 night killed?", <3 may not of been night killed because as the mafia sees it the best way to remove him is to have town agree on it, this way it is not they who are at fault but the town itself, this would also help to bring attention away from the list of his suspect made earlier. If <3 was night killed players would immediately suspect those he suspected to be the culprits, if that list is accurate it goes without saying that is bad.
For the record <3 still suspects KevinM and would like to hear his take on the bruises, <3 also now suspects Handorin.
If this doesn't post....
it did.
unvote: Tom
Seeing as how the eyes experiment seems to be over, <3, would you please remove your vote on me? Thanks. And I find it very interesting that you are now suspecting Handorin -- I've been drawing a lot of connections between your (plural) positions. Plus, when Handorin first joined during the time everyone was voting for you, he sided with you for no apparent reason and voted for Medi, I believe.
Seeing as how the eyes experiment seems to be over, <3, would you please remove your vote on me? Thanks. And I find it very interesting that you are now suspecting Handorin -- I've been drawing a lot of connections between your (plural) positions. Plus, when Handorin first joined during the time everyone was voting for you, he sided with you for no apparent reason and voted for Medi, I believe.
Wikipedia
Smash Lord
I am going to have to agree with <3, which I find myself doing often, I would advise against forming arguments of circumstantiality concerning night activity.
In many games I have found myself in quite a bleak position after the person I had furiously argued with died during the following night.
Of course, it would make me look suspicious because I would be the likely person to want that person dead. In this type of argument the presenter usually fails to summate kill-blocking roles, kill-deflection roles, strategy, luck and unknown variables into the equation. In itself the equation is unfulfillable and therefore the argument is negated if it weren't for the ignorance of the players and persuasion of the party doing the killing.
Basically, you cannot say that <3, Mediocre, I or any other player are or are not town because we were or were not targeted at night. This type of argument is flawed as presented above.
In many games I have found myself in quite a bleak position after the person I had furiously argued with died during the following night.
Of course, it would make me look suspicious because I would be the likely person to want that person dead. In this type of argument the presenter usually fails to summate kill-blocking roles, kill-deflection roles, strategy, luck and unknown variables into the equation. In itself the equation is unfulfillable and therefore the argument is negated if it weren't for the ignorance of the players and persuasion of the party doing the killing.
Basically, you cannot say that <3, Mediocre, I or any other player are or are not town because we were or were not targeted at night. This type of argument is flawed as presented above.