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I wasn't really trying to comment on any character in particular, just wanted an example of a popular character to use as a meme.

Anyways, I plan on spamming that image when Elma gets announced. If it's just a trailer tomorrow, I could see them telling us today. Just one trailer probably doesn't generate as much hype as an entire direct, so it could be a last minute type of thing. Hopefully.
 

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I don't particularly care for Geno either, and I'll be honest: I don't get where the demand for him even comes from. I mean, sure, I can get why people would want something from the first Mario RPG, but, not having played it myself, I doubt that it's the best one out there - and Geno isn't exactly that important of a character, from what I've heard. Would he even be requested this much if Sakurai had never made the statement of having conidered him for Brawl?

Plus from what I could understand his support his either for moveset potential (which is fair) and "muh nostalgia". Nostalgia is great but I will never support Absol because "muh Pokémon Mystery Dungeon nostalgia".
. . .Y'know, you say that, real talk? I'd absolutely love Grovyle from the Explorer games to make it into Smash.

Anyways, I plan on spamming that image when Elma gets announced. If it's just a trailer tomorrow, I could see them telling us today. Just one trailer probably doesn't generate as much hype as an entire direct, so it could be a last minute type of thing. Hopefully.
Tomorrow? Don't you mean the day after tomorrow? This bar thing is slated for Thursday, today is Tuesday, and any reveal event being announced today seems increasingly unlikely. If anything, they're gonna announce anything that might happen on Wednesday.
 

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I don't particularly care for Geno either, and I'll be honest: I don't get where the demand for him even comes from. I mean, sure, I can get why people would want something from the first Mario RPG, but, not having played it myself, I doubt that it's the best one out there - and Geno isn't exactly that important of a character, from what I've heard. Would he even be requested this much if Sakurai had never made the statement of having conidered him for Brawl?



. . .Y'know, you say that, real talk? I'd absolutely love Grovyle from the Explorer games to make it into Smash.



Tomorrow? Don't you mean the day after tomorrow? This bar thing is slated for Thursday, today is Tuesday, and any reveal event being announced today seems increasingly unlikely. If anything, they're gonna announce anything that might happen on Wednesday.
I can't really remember what Grovyle did in the Explorers, I only remembered Absol because I recently played Red Team for a while and he always was an highlight from that game. I should really play Explorers of the Sky again sometime, I remember that game being awesome.

But I'm confused, when exactly is this bar thing supposed to happen? Especially about an hour, since I live in Europe and some times events like Directs and so on are between two days, so just to have an idea about when to expect it lol.
 
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Been thinking

The twitter post for Shulk’s blog says Fiora was added to Shulk’s Chain Attack final smash. However, in the first Xenoblade, Chain Attacks involve 3 party members, not 4.

Xenoblade X, however, has a four party member system. Fiora wields twin swords like Elma.

Shulk’s updated FS is meant to be a subtle nod to X, and Fiora a not so subtle reference to...

gasp

Guys. Elma’s in. She has to be.
 

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I can't really remember what Grovyle did in the Explorers, I only remembered Absol because I recently played Red Team for a while and he always was an highlight from that game. I should really play Explorers of the Sky again sometime, I remember that game being awesome.

But I'm confused, when exactly is this bar thing supposed to happen? Especially about an hour, since I live in Europe and some times events like Directs and so on are between two days, so just to have an idea about when to expect it lol.
Grovyle in the Explorer games was basically Trunks from DBZ. The game itself is a bit repetitive from a gameplay perspective, but in terms of the story, it's probably the best the Pokémon series has ever managed, beating even Black and White or Sun and Moon.

As for the bar thing, I dug through the Gamefaq thread earlier, and it seems like it'll be in the night from Thursday to Friday for us in Europe. The exact time is 0:00 for Germany, which is 11 PM for the UK. Coincidentally, that's the exact same time that the Direct that revealed Isabelle took place.
 

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Grovyle in the Explorer games was basically Trunks from DBZ. The game itself is a bit repetitive from a gameplay perspective, but in terms of the story, it's probably the best the Pokémon series has ever managed, beating even Black and White or Sun and Moon.

As for the bar thing, I dug through the Gamefaq thread earlier, and it seems like it'll be in the night from Thursday to Friday for us in Europe. The exact time is 0:00 for Germany, which is 11 PM for the UK. Coincidentally, that's the exact same time that the Direct that revealed Isabelle took place.
Thank you very much!

And yeah, I can confirm that 0:00 CEST is the usual time when they air Direct, not only the Isabelle one. In fact the Smash Direct was kinda of an odd one being at 16:00 over here.

Which also would mean that we will probably hear about this around the 16:00 CEST of tomorrow, or in about 23 hours, if it means anything.
 
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Don't think they'd
I agree if we're talking "importance." Geno isn't important, for the reasons you stated.

However, he's been a highly requested character. Sakurai has acknowledged his popularity and said he wanted to add Geno to Brawl.

Further, Geno had a mii costume in Smash For, of which Sakurai has mentioned he gave certain characters costumes so their fans would have something, as did other popular characters such as KKR, Inkling, and Isabelle, who are all now playable. He's also been requested for as long as KKR and Ridley.

While he's not as important as Elma, like her, it's fair to say he has a good chance of getting in, too, only heightened by the fact Verge said we'd get a Square rep (assuming he's right and Geno is that rep).
Verge did say that he didn't think it was Geno.
 

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Tomorrow? Don't you mean the day after tomorrow? This bar thing is slated for Thursday, today is Tuesday, and any reveal event being announced today seems increasingly unlikely. If anything, they're gonna announce anything that might happen on Wednesday.

Oof. Yeah, that's what happens when I post before I'm essentially conscious. Thought it was Wednesday. send help pls

So, before we all get too hyped, what are the reasons that Nintendo could have for being so secretive? I mean, they're parading around Smash to college football games and Pokemon across the U.S., so what could they have that makes everything so low key?

If it's a new demo of Smash with new characters, I could understand, but it's also strange that it's going to be at a bar. That's not normally Nintendo's area. Unless Coors Light is finally joining Smash

This is an incredibly strange event. I don't really understand the logic of keeping something so secretive. Anyone have some good insight into this whole situation?
 

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I still find it funny that Elma is my second most wanted Smash Bros character, despite my lack of playing a single Xenoblade game... I guess her moveset would be very fun to me...
 

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Been thinking

The twitter post for Shulk’s blog says Fiora was added to Shulk’s Chain Attack final smash. However, in the first Xenoblade, Chain Attacks involve 3 party members, not 4.

Xenoblade X, however, has a four party member system. Fiora wields twin swords like Elma.

Shulk’s updated FS is meant to be a subtle nod to X, and Fiora a not so subtle reference to...

gasp

Guys. Elma’s in. She has to be.
This reminds me of something. We still haven't seen Robins Final Smash right? With Chrom confirmed as playable in the last Smash Direct it would have been a good time to show of Robins FS like "Now that Chrom is playable we changed Robins FS which featured Chrom in the last game." The fact that they still havent talked about it made me think that Chrom could still be a part of Robis FS even if he's now playable. You know who is now a part of a final Smash even though she could be a cool character? Fiora.

(yes i know its unlikely and just a random thought but i want both my Xenoblade-Girls Fiora and Elma in....)
 

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This reminds me of something. We still haven't seen Robins Final Smash right? With Chrom confirmed as playable in the last Smash Direct it would have been a good time to show of Robins FS like "Now that Chrom is playable we changed Robins FS which featured Chrom in the last game." The fact that they still havent talked about it made me think that Chrom could still be a part of Robis FS even if he's now playable. You know who is now a part of a final Smash even though she could be a cool character? Fiora.

(yes i know its unlikely and just a random thought but i want both my Xenoblade-Girls Fiora and Elma in....)
Fiora could technically work as an Elma echo, for what I could tell, but even if Chrom isn't anymore in Robin's FS (I hope he is replaced with either Morgan, Lissa, Olivia, Anna or Frederick TBH) Riki still shows up in both Shulk's FS and as an AT, so who knows.
 

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Fiora could technically work as an Elma echo, for what I could tell, but even if Chrom isn't anymore in Robin's FS (I hope he is replaced with either Morgan, Lissa, Olivia, Anna or Frederick TBH) Riki still shows up in both Shulk's FS and as an AT, so who knows.
I saw this multiple times now but i have a hard time seeing Fiora as an echo for Elma. Not only because of Elmas guns (which maybe could be replaced with drones depending on how they would be implemented) but because the way Elma moves and fights in battle looks and feels different from Fiora (but maybe that's just me.) Maybe it could work. I would need to see that in actual gameplay to judge that. I wasn't to thrilled about the Duckhunt-Dog as a possible character pre-Smash 4 and now i love the little guy. For me it would depent on Elmas final moveset and how it would look on Fiora.
 
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Eh, I don't think Fiora will really be playable (something I've thought even before she got into Shulk's final Smash). If we are getting anyone, I'd imagine it'd be Elma or Assless Chaps McGee/Boobie Blade
 
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I could see Fiora working as an Elma echo, she'd probably just have a different Final Smash (a clone of Shulk's I guess?)

I mean, sure, they'd have to take some liberties to adapt Fiora into Elma's mold, but seeing Chrom, Dark Samus, Daisy and even Lucina also had to fit certain molds, I don't think it's impossible
 

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Am I the only one missing something with the Fiora/Elma echo thing? I just don't even see it working.
 

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Am I the only one missing something with the Fiora/Elma echo thing? I just don't even see it working.
It's due to how they both duel wield. I honestly don't see it either, really.
I just have a problem with it because echoes like Daisy, Lucina, Dark Pit, Dark Samus, and Richter (Not sure about Chrom) have a connection with their respective fighter that gives them reason to echo them. Elma and Fiora have no relation whatsoever, so to me it would be weird to see her as an echo of Elma.
Besides, I'd like to see Fiora as her own character. I think she's earned that.
 

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I wouldn't mind Fiora, but I think it would make way more sense for Cross to be Elma's echo since (please correct me if I'm wrong) Cross could learn a bunch of Elma's moves in XBX anyways so why not? Plus I always love gender optional fighters like Robin and now Pokemon Trainer, so having both guy and girl Cross would be awesome.
 
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so uh

Smash Ultimate went gold

chance of an ESRB Leak 2 soon? I hope it has Elma in it
 

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Please help, my anxiety and excitement is skyrocketing and all the theorizing in this thread is not helping, and meds aren't effective enough.
 

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I think fiora would work better as a semi-clone than an echo, they could share many sword attacks but I'd replace the gun attacks with kicks and change her specials entirely, not having her use her signature arts would be strange
 

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If I may throw my hat into this 'Fiora as an Elma Echo' spiel...

Why not replace Elma's gun attacks with Fiora's Drones? They could be a good enough replacement, despite their differences, right?

EDIT: Whoops! Jocario beat me to it!
 
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Personally, I don't actually think Fiora would work as an Elma echo. I mean it ALMOST could work, but Elma uses dual guns and Fiora's drones are nothing like those, they're more like psycho launchers, and that weapon combination is Murderess' thing.
 

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Today's post was Marshadow. Marshadow's Japanese name auto-translated to Mercury. Know what Mercury is? Not even a distant land it's a whole different planet. Elma confirmed. Watch as we get Black Tar tomorrow to confirm it.

I know I say "Maybe we'll get Xeno content this week" every week, but this week it actually happened!
And today's music update was from Mega Man. Mega Man is a robot. And you know else is technically a robot?

I don't remember typing that. Sorry. Also Vergeben hasn't got a single thing wrong yet.
The guy claimed that Simon would be revealed alongside a Castlevania compilation coming to Switch, which would be revealed at E3. So far, there has been nothing of the sort of announced.
 
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The guy claimed that Simon would be revealed alongside a Castlevania compilation coming to Switch, which would be revealed at E3. So far, there has been nothing of the sort of announced.
While I can't defend what he has said for other games, Verge's smash sources have been on the mark for what he has claimed will be in the game.

And with it being clear he doesn't know the full roster--Verge implying this himself--it's fair to expect more characters than what he has leaked so far.
 
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While I can't defend what he has said for other games, Verge's smash sources have been on the mark for what he has claimed will be in the game.

And with it being clear he doesn't know the full roster--Verge implying this himself--it's fair to expect more characters than what he has leaked so far.
Maybe a few more Echoes but Im expecting Incineroar, SE rep 2 and Steve to be it as far as uniques go. Though there's no reason why Elma can't be the new K Rool (Though that's beginning to look like Skull Kid).
 
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Maybe a few more Echoes but Im expecting Incineroar, SE rep 2 and Steve to be it as far as uniques go. Though there's no reason why Elma can't be the new K Tool (Though that's beginning to look like Skull Kid).
Skull Kid fans would crucify me (again) for this, but I think there's a chance he's a boss.

I'm doubtful on Steve, despite Verge and others saying there will be some kind of Minecraft content in the game, so we'll see.

That said, there's more than enough reasons to be hopeful for Elma.
 

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Huh. I'm feeling a bit of anxiety right now. Really hoping our Overdrive gal is in there somewhere...
Well At least we will know why the game is called "special" in japan and not "ultimate" with the way the roster could end it could very be "special" but not in a good way. So I hope for this time the localization title has the true meaning of this game.
 
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Well, guess the bar thing's a bust, then. If there really was a major thing happening tomorrow, they'd definitely have announced it by now, unless they're doing this on an extremely short notice.
. . .Which however still leaves me wondering just what the heck that was supposed to be.
 

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So, I found this video in the general thread...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=etqHGI2SmIo

Thoughts on the Elma segment? The article was released just today it seems
Meh. I don't see that as having any impact. To begin with, of course the developer wouldn't make any statements outright confirming or denying an upcoming game. This kind of statement doesn't even put a port of X out of the running for the near future, considering how vague it is.
And even if an X port isn't coming. . . so what? That doesn't change anything about the things pointing towards Elma.
 
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Well, guess the bar thing's a bust, then. If there really was a major thing happening tomorrow, they'd definitely have announced it by now, unless they're doing this on an extremely short notice.
. . .Which however still leaves me wondering just what the heck that was supposed to be.
It's demo booths for Ultimate, but that's all we (the public) know.
 

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So, I found this video in the general thread...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=etqHGI2SmIo

Thoughts on the Elma segment? The article was released just today it seems
Just a KOS-MOS supporter re-posting something she wrote up for the general thread... in perhaps the more relevant location... but...

The interview in question.

As for specifically the bit relevant to Xenoblade Chronicles X...

As the sun set on our conversation, I ask Takahashi a question that's admittedly predictable, but burns my soul nevertheless: "Is there a chance we'll see a port of the Wii U's Xenoblade Chronicles X on the Switch?" Like many excellent games on the failed console, Xenoblade Chronicles X faded into relative obscurity and is deserving of new life on the Switch.​

"Well, the future at present is unclear," Takahashi says, which is the same answer I received when I ask about the possibility of a Xenoblade Chronicles 3. "Personally speaking, I'd love to play the game on the Switch, but it would be really difficult to make it."​
When it comes to roadblocks that stand in the way of Xenoblade Chronicles X on the Switch, Takahashi's answer is simple.​
"Money," he laughs. "It's a massive game. Re-creating it would be really difficult."​


As you'll note, Takahashi is not really answering the question, but rather prevaricates when asked. This is the expected response when dealing with these sorts of matters, but I feel it worth pointing out regardless.

The information presented

A: Takahashi would personally like to see it happen.
Subjective opinion, asserts a personal approval of the notion, but evades providing a proper answer.
B: Xenoblade X would be difficult to port.
Fact. Stating the obvious. Porting a game of that size requires many man-hours and a great deal of work.

C: Xenoblade X would be expensive to port.
Fact. Stating the obvious.
Nothing Takahashi says here is false, but nothing he says here confirms or denies such a project. That is to say, much like the maker of the video interpreted it to mean, "Such a project is not currently planned" one could take the same words to mean, "It is currently planned, but Takahashi isn't willing to talk about it yet" and both would be equally valid. There simply is not enough information being provided on the matter to reach a proper conclusion.



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Though with that out of the way, I probably should have stopped by here awhile ago to show some Xeno solidarity. I haven't actually played any of the Xenoblade games as of yet (a fact I am not remotely proud of), but even still, I am rather fond of Elma's character. KOS-MOS remains my #1, but if that is acceptable, I'd be happy to lend my support.
 
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Just a KOS-MOS supporter re-posting something she wrote up for the general thread... in perhaps the more relevant location... but...

The interview in question.

As for specifically the bit relevant to Xenoblade Chronicles X...

As the sun set on our conversation, I ask Takahashi a question that's admittedly predictable, but burns my soul nevertheless: "Is there a chance we'll see a port of the Wii U's Xenoblade Chronicles X on the Switch?" Like many excellent games on the failed console, Xenoblade Chronicles X faded into relative obscurity and is deserving of new life on the Switch.​

"Well, the future at present is unclear," Takahashi says, which is the same answer I received when I ask about the possibility of a Xenoblade Chronicles 3. "Personally speaking, I'd love to play the game on the Switch, but it would be really difficult to make it."​
When it comes to roadblocks that stand in the way of Xenoblade Chronicles X on the Switch, Takahashi's answer is simple.​
"Money," he laughs. "It's a massive game. Re-creating it would be really difficult."​


As you'll note, Takahashi is not really answering the question, but rather prevaricates when asked. This is the expected response when dealing with these sorts of matters, but I feel it worth pointing out regardless.

The information presented

A: Takahashi would personally like to see it happen.
Subjective opinion, asserts a personal approval of the notion, but evades providing a proper answer.
B: Xenoblade X would be difficult to port.
Fact. Stating the obvious. Porting a game of that size requires many man-hours and a great deal of work.

C: Xenoblade X would be expensive to port.
Fact. Stating the obvious.
Nothing Takahashi says here is false, but nothing he says here confirms or denies such a project. That is to say, much like the maker of the video interpreted it to mean, "Such a project is not currently planned" one could take the same words to mean, "It is currently planned, but Takahashi isn't willing to talk about it yet" and both would be equally valid. There simply is not enough information being provided on the matter to reach a proper conclusion.



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Though with that out of the way, I probably should have stopped by here awhile ago to show some Xeno solidarity. I haven't actually played any of the Xenoblade games as of yet (a fact I am not remotely proud of), but even still, I am still rather fond of Elma's character. KOS-MOS remains my #1, but if that is acceptable, I'd be happy to lend my support.
X is probably the closest to feeling like a true "Xeno" game in my eyes - the original -blade wasn't originally going to be under the Xeno name at all (but I'm not disparaging it) - so as a fellow -saga fan I'd definitely recommend X. Also Elma looks like chaos who was my fave in Xenosaga and it turns out she's my fave in XCX so...that's a fun little fact! Also X has a few tiny -saga references in the character dynamics.

(I'm a super hardcore KOS-MOS supporter as well, if only because my friend who adores Xenosaga has been wanting KOS-MOS since she was in middle school and I want my friends to be happy so it's nice to see some Xeno solidarity!)
 

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Meh. I don't see that as having any impact. To begin with, of course the developer wouldn't make any statements outright confirming or denying an upcoming game. This kind of statement doesn't even put a port of X out of the running for the near future, considering how vague it is.
And even if an X port isn't coming. . . so what? That doesn't change anything about the things pointing towards Elma.
Exactly. The roster was chosen when XCX just came out, so a future port wasn't even considered at the time (especially not woth XC2 being in early development) for relevance.

And what Takahashi has stated is the truth, porting X would be more difficult than most Wii U games we have seen so far like New Super Mario Bros U or Donkey Kong TF. It surely isn't impossible, but it would require more effort and money than usual, which is something that Monolith Soft can't really do when having 2 other projects in the work. On the other hand Nintendo has several smaller studios that specialises in porting games like Grezzo or Tantalus, and they might even give it to Panic Button considering their experience with high profile games on the Switch.
 
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