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Edelgard von Hresvelg - Black Eagles House Leader

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I don't have a link, as it's mostly just an image floating around, but I can tell you about it. Sabi's main source, who has a perfect track record, tends to hint at things with images. Some are straightforward, like how they posted a bear and a bird to hint at Banjo in smash. Some are less so like a picture of a blue crab to hint at Link's Awakening (referencing the blue crab enemies in the beginning). A few weeks ago he posted a picture of a bird. Some connected it to Geno, as it is a European Starling (Geno is literally a small star) and others connected it to Edelgard as it is a black bird on top of a house (black eagles house). Others think it is non smash related, and the source clarified after the Hero presentation that it is a hint for something still coming up. Now, according to Fatmanonice, who is in private servers with the source, it appears to be non smash related. So really no news here, but that's the story.
Thank you very much for this.
 

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The third consensus is that it could be related to Starly from Diamond & Pearl, but it's believed that it's far too soon for those games to get remakes...right?
There's no way they announce that before Sw&Sh come out. My guess is Starfox since it's called Starwing in Europe. Plus there aren't many major Nintendo IPs left to debut on the Switch.
 
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There's no way they announce that before Sw&Sh come out. My guess is Starfox since it's called Starwing in Europe. Plus there aren't many major Nintendo IPs left to debut on the Switch.
As great as that would be, my gut feeling still says it'll be something new and outta nowhere like Nintenbirds.

Anyway, to keep this vaguely on topic:

 

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As great as that would be, my gut feeling still says it'll be something new and outta nowhere like Nintenbirds.

Anyway, to keep this vaguely on topic:

What's Nintenbirds? It sounds like Nintendogs but with birds, which would be horrendous. Tell me that's not a real thing.
 

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Going back to colors, it seems that the FE and Pokemon Go fandoms associate the yellow team as a the "meme team" with may be the fault of the games themselves to some extent (Claude being upside down on the box art makes sense in context but looks silly at first glance) but goes further than that.

If I had to guess, it's because we've got really strong imagery of Red vs Blue as the default colors, (red usually being the opponent but can go either way) while Yellow is kinda there. Even the Fire Emblem series uses Green as the color of allied units.
 

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Going back to colors, it seems that the FE and Pokemon Go fandoms associate the yellow team as a the "meme team" with may be the fault of the games themselves to some extent (Claude being upside down on the box art makes sense in context but looks silly at first glance) but goes further than that.

If I had to guess, it's because we've got really strong imagery of Red vs Blue as the default colors, (red usually being the opponent but can go either way) while Yellow is kinda there. Even the Fire Emblem series uses Green as the color of allied units.
In the case of Fire Emblem, Claude constantly thinks of pranks to pull on people and he screws around with people a lot, including making Hilda do signficantly more physical labour than she wants to and his supports with Ingrid are him deliberately pissing her off cause she's racist

Also hey, remembered these threads existed and beat Edelgard's route, good times, add El
 
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What's Nintenbirds? It sounds like Nintendogs but with birds, which would be horrendous. Tell me that's not a real thing.
It doesn't exist yet, it's just my best guess as to what this unrevealed news is about. It's not Smash, not Fire Emblem, not Pokémon, almost certainly not Star Fox, so I don't see what else it could be outside of this.

It's something we'll never see coming, I'm sure of it. like with the Link's Awakening remake.
 
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Going back to colors, it seems that the FE and Pokemon Go fandoms associate the yellow team as a the "meme team" with may be the fault of the games themselves to some extent (Claude being upside down on the box art makes sense in context but looks silly at first glance) but goes further than that.

If I had to guess, it's because we've got really strong imagery of Red vs Blue as the default colors, (red usually being the opponent but can go either way) while Yellow is kinda there. Even the Fire Emblem series uses Green as the color of allied units.
I don't really see the memes having anything to do with color in Golden Deer's case, it's largely due to the antics of Claude and his voice actor, Lysithea being a magic min-maxer wet dream and Marianne being a Disney princess pastiche.

Claude's overall neutral stance, however, certainly fits the yellow. He's only emboldened enough to try his ideas for making things better for everyone when Byleth is at his side, otherwise all he does is bide his time and try not to get destroyed. This is the main point of contention between him and Edelgard, despite having ostensibly similar ultimate goals of reducing the church's grip on Fodlan; Edelgard thinks Claude is too passive to get anything done and vice versa with Claude finding El to be too heavy-handed. Given the way things were and how they ultimately turn out, however, it's difficult to see how Claude's methods truly would have worked if left purely to his devices...

I'm of the mind that a Crimson Flower run where you spare Claude is the closest the game currently gets to a "golden" ending as the corrupt truly get uprooted and dealt with alongside TWSITD, and without the church's isolationism can improve relations with countries outside of Fodlan, eventually reparing ties with Claude in Almyra.
 

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I don't really see the memes having anything to do with color in Golden Deer's case, it's largely due to the antics of Claude and his voice actor, Lysithea being a magic min-maxer wet dream and Marianne being a Disney princess pastiche.

Claude's overall neutral stance, however, certainly fits the yellow. He's only emboldened enough to try his ideas for making things better for everyone when Byleth is at his side, otherwise all he does is bide his time and try not to get destroyed. This is the main point of contention between him and Edelgard, despite having ostensibly similar ultimate goals of reducing the church's grip on Fodlan; Edelgard thinks Claude is too passive to get anything done and vice versa with Claude finding El to be too heavy-handed. Given the way things were and how they ultimately turn out, however, it's difficult to see how Claude's methods truly would have worked if left purely to his devices...

I'm of the mind that a Crimson Flower run where you spare Claude is the closest the game currently gets to a "golden" ending as the corrupt truly get uprooted and dealt with alongside TWSITD, and without the church's isolationism can improve relations with countries outside of Fodlan, eventually reparing ties with Claude in Almyra.
Yeah, that's my opinion as well, and also the reason why I will do Crimson Flower again after all the other routes so that I can recruit everyone with the help of NG+

Also considering that Edel and Petra make a way better deal with Brighid after the war it is very likely that she and Claude would do the same. She also says that Claude is more helpful as an ally outside of Fodland rather than a corpse when you spare him, so she might also be thinking about forming bridges with Almyra.


Also in CF you can also spare Sethet and Flayn, as well as all the Knights who don't join you like Catherine, Gilbert and Cyril, so the only ones who truly have to die are Dedue, Dimitri and Rhea.
Dedue is the saddest of the three since all he did was being loyal to Dimitri.
The other two have already succumbed to darkness before the Time Skip, and had people who could have helped them (Sethet for Rhea and Felix's father for Dimitri). Edel was completely alone besides Hubert who really isn't that skilled in interpersonal relationship (as he eveb admits after Ch 9), and if you leave her alone she will succumb to madness. To me helping her remain on the right path is "better" than trying to bring back those who already have fallen and also could have received help from others besides Byleth.
 
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Yeah, that's my opinion as well, and also the reason why I will do Crimson Flower again after all the other routes so that I can recruit everyone with the help of NG+

Also considering that Edel and Petra make a way better deal with Brighid after the war it is very likely that she and Claude would do the same. She also says that Claude is more helpful as an ally outside of Fodland rather than a corpse when you spare him, so she might also be thinking about forming bridges with Almyra.


Also in CF you can also spare Sethet and Flayn, as well as all the Knights who don't join you like Catherine, Gilbert and Cyril, so the only ones who truly have to die are Dedue, Dimitri and Rhea.
Dedue is the saddest of the three since all he did was being loyal to Dimitri.
The other two have already succumbed to darkness before the Time Skip, and had people who could have helped them (Sethet for Rhea and Felix's father for Dimitri). Edel was completely alone besides Hubert who really isn't that skilled in interpersonal relationship (as he eveb admits after Ch 9), and if you leave her alone she will succumb to madness. To me helping her remain on the right path is "better" than trying to bring back those who already have fallen and also could have received help from others besides Byleth.

Well we have to keep in mind that in BE Path the buisness with TWSITD is never really closed. The ending only mentions that Edel and her crew continue to fight them but it is not clear how bloody that fight becomes or if Edel even wins it. For all we know TWSITD could just meddle in imperial politics for centuries doing their usual dark magic stuff to countless innocents....

Thats why I believe Claudes Path is the most golden one.

Until we (hopefully) get a true golden path where not half of your beloved students get murdered.
 

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I don't really see the memes having anything to do with color in Golden Deer's case, it's largely due to the antics of Claude and his voice actor, Lysithea being a magic min-maxer wet dream and Marianne being a Disney princess pastiche.

Claude's overall neutral stance, however, certainly fits the yellow. He's only emboldened enough to try his ideas for making things better for everyone when Byleth is at his side, otherwise all he does is bide his time and try not to get destroyed. This is the main point of contention between him and Edelgard, despite having ostensibly similar ultimate goals of reducing the church's grip on Fodlan; Edelgard thinks Claude is too passive to get anything done and vice versa with Claude finding El to be too heavy-handed. Given the way things were and how they ultimately turn out, however, it's difficult to see how Claude's methods truly would have worked if left purely to his devices...

I'm of the mind that a Crimson Flower run where you spare Claude is the closest the game currently gets to a "golden" ending as the corrupt truly get uprooted and dealt with alongside TWSITD, and without the church's isolationism can improve relations with countries outside of Fodlan, eventually reparing ties with Claude in Almyra.
I would have liked that...

Fire Emblem Three Houses had a proper Epilogue like most of the games in the series had; to explore many of the short term kind of things people would have done after the War; and it would give a bit more context to the stuff that happens in several endings; like the conflict that is mentioned in the Crimsom Flower's last cutscene.

And of course that cutscene would have extra dialogue depending which playable characters survived and which important characters were spared in battle.
 
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Well we have to keep in mind that in BE Path the buisness with TWSITD is never really closed. The ending only mentions that Edel and her crew continue to fight them but it is not clear how bloody that fight becomes or if Edel even wins it. For all we know TWSITD could just meddle in imperial politics for centuries doing their usual dark magic stuff to countless innocents....

Thats why I believe Claudes Path is the most golden one.

Until we (hopefully) get a true golden path where not half of your beloved students get murdered.
What part of "Fodlan enters a golden age" implies a bloody, difficult struggle? I may not find Blue Lions or Golden Deer's ending to be as good for Fodlan as Black Eagles, but I don't go refuting the narration's assertion that those endings were in fact happy.
 
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What part of "Fodlan enters a golden age" implies a bloody, difficult struggle? I may not find Blue Lions or Golden Deer's ending to be as good for Fodlan as Black Eagles, but I don't go refuting the narration's assertion that those endings were in fact happy.
All of them have an aftermath to meet in the ending with all the potential moles still living (specially in BE-E where is mentioned it most of the Byleth's and Edelgard's Endings, and other ones as well. And pretty much all the Edelgard's ending comment about how in the end of the conflict she managed to finally have a happy life in someway or another).
 

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Realistically, what are the chances that Edelgard would be picked over Byleth? History certainly does not support our cause.
 

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Realistically, what are the chances that Edelgard would be picked over Byleth? History certainly does not support our cause.
Eh...

Byleth is indisputably the main character of Three Houses, similar to Corrin in Fates, and that'd probably give them the edge. Having a whip-sword brings some possibilities to the table to help keep the "anime swordsman" trope a little fresh, too.

That said, Edelgard definitely seems to be the most heavily pushed of the three House leaders, she's a central character regardless of the path you take (for better or for worse), and she brings an as-of-yet unseen weapon type to Smash in her Axe.

I think it really comes down to whether or not Sakurai would see Byleth as a potentially compelling addition to Smash on their own. Byleth would be the most logical choice for a Three Houses rep, so the only reason they'd get passed up for a different character is if Sakurai looks at them and isn't taken with them and/or Sakurai is already aware of Edelgard and finds her super interesting as a concept.

Ultimately, it's an issue of which one lights up Sakurai's imagination, and it's hard to predict how he'll interpret characters. That said, Byleth would almost certainly be the go-to choice by default, so Edelgard's chances likely hinge on unusual circumstances.
 

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Realistically, what are the chances that Edelgard would be picked over Byleth? History certainly does not support our cause.
While Byleth is the most likely, I feel that Edelgard has a decent shot. Mostly if Sakurai doesn't feel that Byleth isn't that compelling (mostly due to their weapon being another sword and his rewind feature would translate to yet another counter, and also being the third FE avatar in a row added).

Edelgard is surely the biggest of the three Lord, playing a big role in each route, she is a female which would bring more variety to the Fighter Pass, and also she having an axe (as well as basically being a heavy armor unit) as her weapon might already be a fresher start for a moveset.
She could also be used as the "antagonist" for the series, much like how Mewtwo or Meta Knight are perceived as more "villany" in Smash than in their actual series.

So far the only case where Sakurai chose someone for their moveset potentially rather than the protagonist was with Robin over Chrom in Smash For, so who knows.
 
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Realistically, what are the chances that Edelgard would be picked over Byleth? History certainly does not support our cause.
Honestly I think there's a decent chance of her being chosen over Byleth. When talking about Piranha Plant, Sakurai talked about how many heroes used swords and cheekily responded that he wished more used axes. Incineroar was chosen over Decidueye because Sakurai really wanted to make a wrestler, so the same could happen here with an axe moveset.

This next point is more minor, but Sakurai is always about having a character's personality shine through. That's harder to do for Byleth because Byleth was intended to be emotionless. Meanwhile, Edelgard has a very strong personality that's easy to translate into Smash.

And then there's the promotion stuff, with Edelgard (somewhat ironically for a Black Eagle) getting the lion's share of the promotion even early on, which can even be seen today with the figma.

So I think it very well could happen.
 

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Eh...

Byleth is indisputably the main character of Three Houses, similar to Corrin in Fates, and that'd probably give them the edge. Having a whip-sword brings some possibilities to the table to help keep the "anime swordsman" trope a little fresh, too.

That said, Edelgard definitely seems to be the most heavily pushed of the three House leaders, she's a central character regardless of the path you take (for better or for worse), and she brings an as-of-yet unseen weapon type to Smash in her Axe.

I think it really comes down to whether or not Sakurai would see Byleth as a potentially compelling addition to Smash on their own. Byleth would be the most logical choice for a Three Houses rep, so the only reason they'd get passed up for a different character is if Sakurai looks at them and isn't taken with them and/or Sakurai is already aware of Edelgard and finds her super interesting as a concept.

Ultimately, it's an issue of which one lights up Sakurai's imagination, and it's hard to predict how he'll interpret characters. That said, Byleth would almost certainly be the go-to choice by default, so Edelgard's chances likely hinge on unusual circumstances.
I'd get behind the whip-sword more if we didn't have the Belmonts, who can supplement their whips with a diverse projectile game. Byleth's light magic proficiency doesn't even come close to that, offensively it doesn't have many options and is primmarily based on supporting others, which doesn't translate well to Smash as we can see with the PK kids. Then there's the gauntlets, which... face it, why would you punch when you have a disjointed sword to use? They would be probably be limited to jabs.

So what we're left with is a swordfighter with a couple of really long disjoints, a single offensive spell and maybe a gambit which is hardly unique to him. I doubt you could even do tether things with that sword.
 

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In addition, it's possible that some main FE characters can take priority over others if they have enough material to offer. :ultrobin: was not only in 4's base game, but :ultlucina: also was chosen as a hidden character over :ultchrom:, who didn't get in until the following game. Only one of the three was treated as unique, to boot.
 

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One idea I have is having Edelgard's personal skill take part of her moveset as it gives her a Res boost when waiting after the timeskip, the way I see this translating for Smash is that she hits down B, has to wait a few seconds, and then gets granted temporary super armour. Whether it's limited to 1 attack or an arbitrary percentage, I don't know, but considering how axes are typically rather slow, temporary super armour could easily help out, especially with her Aymr combat art being easily translated as a move that could increase her speed when she lands a hit, or lets her cancel the animation to follow up with whatever she wants, or simply just have a lot of hitstun. I also think Assault Troop could be a cool special she's have, working similar to Zelda's Phantom and Ridley's Plasma Breath, if she gets to fully charge the move, a battalion of like 5 soldiers will appear and charge forward, staggering enemies similarly to how characters react when getting hit by all 5 Plasma Breath orbs. I feel it fits Edelgard's inherent knack at strategy as you can use the Assault Troop to force them to jump over the soldiers or get a mixup if they get hit by the troop
 
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Edelgard is everything FE in Smash needs:
-An axe user
-A woman
-An interesting character
-Gay
-Hot

Only Ike fits 3/5 of all the FE characters
 

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The biggest Argument against Byleth would be in my opinion that Edelgard
is a villain. And we certainly need mire villains in Smash. ]
 
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Let's not forget about buff, too. That part's easier to see on her official illustration.
I can only imagine the surprise of anyone going from one route to Crimson Flower, and being utterly gobsmacked by how short Edelgard ends up being compared to Byleth and how her terrifying regal presence is undermined at nearly every turn in the latter's presence. Humanization doesn't even begin to describe. She might even be shorter than Little Mac if we go by his Famicom height.

The biggest Argument against Byleth would be in my opinion that Edelgard
is a villain. And we certainly need mire villains in Smash. ]
You don't need to be evil to be considered a villain in Smash, just antisocial and/or a jerk. Post-skip Dimitri fits the latter two to a tee.
 

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You don't need to be evil to be considered a villain in Smash, just antisocial and/or a jerk. Post-skip Dimitri fits the latter two to a tee.
I dont see what that argument has to do with my statement you quoted. Unless you claim that Byleth is antisocial and/or a jerk.

If Dimitri has chances in Smash is a whole other topic. And judging from marketing it is clear that Edelgard is the mascot of FE3H.
 

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I dont see what that argument has to do with my statement you quoted. Unless you claim that Byleth is antisocial and/or a jerk.

If Dimitri has chances in Smash is a whole other topic. And judging from marketing it is clear that Edelgard is the mascot of FE3H.
Sorry, but the statement "Edelgard is a villain" without context is pretty loaded and implies she is this no matter what, even in her own route.
 

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I can only imagine the surprise of anyone going from one route to Crimson Flower, and being utterly gobsmacked by how short Edelgard ends up being compared to Byleth and how her terrifying regal presence is undermined at nearly every turn in the latter's presence. Humanization doesn't even begin to describe. She might even be shorter than Little Mac if we go by his Famicom height.



You don't need to be evil to be considered a villain in Smash, just antisocial and/or a jerk. Post-skip Dimitri fits the latter two to a tee.
Canonically she's 5'2", so at least she's taller than NES Little Mac. :p
 
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People call Mewtwo, Meta Knight and Dark Pit villains so I'm not surprised people don't know what the word actually means and try to apply it to Edelgard :v
 

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Edelgard is everything FE in Smash needs:
-An axe user
-A woman
-An interesting character
-Gay
-Hot

Only Ike fits 3/5 of all the FE characters
Hmm... Imma map this out:

Ike:
-An interesting character
-Gay
-Hot

M!Robin:
-Gay

F!Robin:
-A woman
-Hot

Lucina:
-A woman
-An interesting character
-Hot

M!Corrin:
-Gay

F!Corrin:
-A woman
-Gay
-Hot

Chrom:
-Gay
-Hot

Marth:

Roy:


don't quote me :happysheep:
 

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I still don't understand why so many people thought Edelgard's post time skip design was ugly at first. That sentiment seems to be gone now.
 

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I still don't understand why so many people thought Edelgard's post time skip design was ugly at first. That sentiment seems to be gone now.
Maybe it's just me not being super receptive to the FE community at that point, but I don't remember a lot of people thinking post-skip Edelgard was flat-out ugly. Most they said against it was just not liking it as much as pre-skip, and as much as I admire the Armoured Lord garb on a conceptual level with all the little details that encapsulate Edelgard's character, even I still can't help but feel pre-skip El is easier on the eyes. Just not that much of a fan of bun hair.

The timing of it's reveal was the first official hints of Edelgard's less-than savoury aspects though, so maybe some people ended up intimidated by her.

Remember when most people freaked out about how IS would apparently go too far by having Byleth romance any of his/her students? Fun times...
But... you can, with a small handful of non-gender locked exceptions. The only difference is no children in the game, which makes it less obvious.
 

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But... you can, with a small handful of non-gender locked exceptions. The only difference is no children in the game, which makes it less obvious.
Yes, I'm just pointing out how people thought the possibility of that happening would be "too much pandering over quality of gameplay", yet it got accepted after launch like it's no big deal. :seuss:
 

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Maybe it's just me not being super receptive to the FE community at that point, but I don't remember a lot of people thinking post-skip Edelgard was flat-out ugly. Most they said against it was just not liking it as much as pre-skip, and as much as I admire the Armoured Lord garb on a conceptual level with all the little details that encapsulate Edelgard's character, even I still can't help but feel pre-skip El is easier on the eyes. Just not that much of a fan of bun hair.

The timing of it's reveal was the first official hints of Edelgard's less-than savoury aspects though, so maybe some people ended up intimidated by her.



But... you can, with a small handful of non-gender locked exceptions. The only difference is no children in the game, which makes it less obvious.
I think they were referring to when people didn't want Byleth to be able to romance students because we didn't know about the timeskip yet. Everyone was all up in arms about how it.
 

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Realistically, what are the chances that Edelgard would be picked over Byleth? History certainly does not support our cause.
While I get that history isn't on Edelgard's side in the sense that they've picked the avatar character the previous two times, I also think that's something that might actually work against Byleth. Sakurai is always interested in doing something new, if he gets the chance he'll pick the character who brings the most to the table, and there's little denying that Byleth is a similar archetype to what we already have (blue-haired sword wielder, avatar), even his whip sword isn't as unique an idea as it might have been previously because of the Belmonts.

Let's not forget that pre-Smash 4 things were the opposite of how we see them now, Chrom was considered a borderline shoe-in because he was our blue-haired sword lord, like Marth and Ike before him, while Robin was barely discussed, yet the latter won out because he brought more to the table. You can even draw the same main character parallel that we see being discussed between Byleth and Edelgard now, sure Robin was one of the main characters of Awakening, but if anyone was the main character, it was Chrom.

My point is that the perceived norm constantly changes because Sakurai so often goes for the more unique picks, which can often be the more unexpected ones, that's why that in the speculation community it's usually at the point that we think we've figured out a pattern that it gets broken. I think Edelgard is the more unique character archetype when compared to the rest of the roster, so while I obviously can't say anything for certain, I'm pretty confident she'd be the Three Houses pick, that is if we even get a Three Houses character of course.
 
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The main reason I can think of the Armor Lord design isn't as easy on the eyes is because of the colpr scheme.
Preskip Edelgard has mostly black with some red and white from details and her hair.
Postskip Edelgard is full on red and gold, with no black and the golden crown takes some prominence from the white hair, and with only some blue details on the collar and legs and the interior of the cape in white to break the red. Overall, I think some black could have helped, especially as it pairs with the white and red so well and I'm a big fan of red/black combinations so it's a shame they didn't keep that from her academy uniform like Dimitri keeping the blue and black
 
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