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Yeah, to be fair, Samus is low key deep into it.
To be fair, Fire Emblem was innovative when it first came out. It's not the first tactical RPG, but it had it's fair share of ideas (sometimes reusing thing from Famicom Wars) and established standards for the genre.
As a side note, Wario is in need of a bit more stuff himself.
Well, while I want more Wario (Ashley was my number one pick, tied with Medusa), I think the amount of Wario content is reasonable, especially if Kat&Ana also return as assist.
Wario Land 4 stage or riot!
I can see why he isn't one. All echoes, even Dark Pit, have different personalities from the original character. Alph does not, he is quite literally just blue olimar in terms of personality. The echo fighter for olimar was probably shifted to being Louie, since he has an extremely different personality than olimar that could be translated well into some funny taunts and other animations. Louie also has the most possible new pikmin to use, being Rocks, Bulbmin AND Winged, since you could replace the winged ones in his recovery with insects for Louie only, given his affinity for them.The biggest question is, why isn't Alph an Echo Fighter? It makes no sense that these literal clones get to be their own thing while the original protagonist remains an alt; Pikmin is the most disrespected series in Smash.
Alph and Olimar are drastically different characters in their home series; in Smash they just seem like mindless drones. While I appreciate the Pikmin are the main selling point of the playstyle, it's ridiculous that the playable protagonists are ripped of personality while the side characters get represented honourably; bull****, even.
Maybe that's because the Pikmin are as much main characters as the spacefarers are.
Rosalina and Luma are of different importance, yet they're still given personality.
evidently youve been playing a very different very of pikmin 3
What makes you say that? They're both optimistic, nice characters who take the lead on things, while also being the straight man of the bunch. The taunts and other animations for Olimar in smash work perfectly for Alph as well, there isn't any kind of way to differentiate Alph from Olimar in smash. Even the minor differences that they DO have aren't notable enough to make an entire character out of.
captain olimar's is a veteran leader who knows about space travel an all round family man an self proclaimed patron of the arts and quite brave
! Anyway, all this talk about her has got me thinking that while I'm ecstatic to see her as a playable fighter to begin with, in an ideal world she should have a fighting style based on her battles in the Prime Trilogy. is brutal, psychotic, ridiculously overpowered and it would've been a blast to see how she could be implemented with her moves intact. But considering what Ultimate is already giving us, I can't ask for too much more.
Peach is taller than Daisy. So there is flexibility for height. Plus B. Shadow would probably not be as hunched over as Falcon (think Wolf and Fox). Of course, none of that matters if B. Shadow is an Echo of Ganondorf.
There's quite a difference in size and height between Daisy and Peach and Captain Falcon and Black Shadow. Daisy is exactly as tall as Peach hence why she works as an Echo. Especially being Black Shadow is bulkier then Captain Falcon and even Ganondorf.
Daisy isn’t as tall as Peach. Not in the original games. Not in Smash.
Still ignoring Black Shadow is bulkier and bigger.
I have to disagree. Each link is not an echo, and has major differences with them that transcend needing a different personality, such as differing items and extremely different heights. not to mention each link holds that era's moveset for link, such as Yink with melee's version of link and so on.
I am not, but being bulkier and bigger doesn’t save you from being an Echo. Hell, Ike has a costume that makes him bulkier and bigger.
Fair point.
a lot of your argument is based on presumed rules of echoes, personality is not the main thing the separates them from the main character most of them do have something different, lucina not having the sweet spot in her sword, chrom having ike's recovery, dark pit having zelda's final smash, dark samus having electric effects instead of fire personality is not what separates the echoes from the main fighters differences are negligible true but rule out any fighter because you cant see the differences in their "personality" frankly doesnt make any sense
Never did I imply that differing personality is the only factor in deciding an echo fighter, just pointing out that Echoes having a different personality is a factor in chosing one. Simply having different abilities isn't the only reason. If you're saying that having different abilities is what is focused on the most, then Alph still shouldn't be added anymore, as Louie renders him obsolete in every way. He has more pikmin, more opportunity for differing animations and taunts that would actually feel extremely different from Olimar, instead of making more taunts for Alph that would still feel interchangeable with Olimar. Louie even has the ability to switch up moves that aren't related to Pikmin, like changing his recovery to Shearwigs and making its movement similar to it instead of winged pikmin. Not to mention he's by far the most liked and requested character out of all the Pikmin characters.
you kept arguing personality so you can see why id think that, louie does not have more pikmin than alph, alph has 7 louie has 6 and your arguments are still based on your own perceptions of the characters and your just giving me the same arguments over and over again different animations are still different animation regardless of weather they would work for another character thats enough for smash bros and has always been enough for smash bros
Louie has more to choose than Alph, what are you talking about with Louie 6 Alph 7? Louie has access to all pikmin, Alph has only encountered the original three, and Winged and Rock. Here's a fan poll, and Louie is actually on it.
louie: blue, red, yellow, purple, white, bulbminLouie has more to choose than Alph, what are you talking about with Louie 6 Alph 7? Louie has access to all pikmin, Alph has only encountered the original three, and Winged and Rock. Here's a fan poll, and Louie is actually on it.
If we go on games alone, Louie in Pikmin 3 would imply he has access to Rocks and Winged, since he is in the same area as the Pikmin 3 crew. We have nothing to go on that Alph has Purple or Whites, since they weren't in Pikmin 3's story.
the mulitiplayer mode where you play as olimar and alph and have access to all 7
Wasn't Louie also in the multiplayer mode? I know for sure with the bingo, but this is besides the point. If Sakurai wanted to give Louie rocks and winged, he would. I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but here's a compiled list of why Louie has a pretty great chance.
we're not debating who should getting to smash we're debating their playablity, you cant just write alph off especially as all anyone has done here is prove they both have plenty to offerWasn't Louie also in the multiplayer mode? I know for sure with the bingo, but this is besides the point. If Sakurai wanted to give Louie rocks and winged, he would. I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but here's a compiled list of why Louie has a pretty great chance.
Playablity? It's obviously Louie then, he can do everything Alph can but being very different from Olimar personality wise. Plus, if it was Louie and not Alph, he could have Brittany as an alt skin, since it's the same model.
ok im done im sick of going in circles when the only thing keeping alph out of smash in your eyes is something that doesnt seem to matter in smash. all 5 of the other pikmin characters could work equally well but if you cant see past what few similarities olimar and alph have thats your business
How? Alph only has the original 5, plus Rocks. Louie has the original 5, plus Rocks, Bulbmin AND Winged, since his recovery allows for only him to replace the winged pikmin with bugs. Alph has 6, Louie has 8.
But Louie DOES have more to offer? As stated before plenty of times, He has the most Pikmin to choose from, and has ways to implement insect enemies into his moveset while still keeping him an echo.
MrElectroG64
you dont understand the meaning of "im done" do you? btw i love how you ignore some of the info and give you while agreeing whole heartily with someone who has suspiciously similar reasoning to you
It was always about Louie. My original point was that Louie would be a much better echo than Alph. Not sure why you're taking such offense toward this.
p.s. it was never about louie it was about alph
That does seem to be what separates Semi Clones from Echoes. Semi Clones have moves unique to themselves wheareas Echoes would have moves borrowed from others with differing properties.
