East Midlands Social Thread

[Anaky]

People say they like to use a high tier character, tbh every char is fun to use, but the most fun is usually the character u like best, aka from a game series, which is why i like Toon Link, cuz Legend of Zelda is too pro. Loads of people like Zelda games, alot more than Kirby games, but ppl still use MK cuz hes top of the rankings, if u have a valid reason why this is true try it, you will just fail.

 

[Jolteon]

I like kirby games about as much as LoZ games lool

except oot TP and windwaker I guess but not that much more

 

[Ixisnaugus]

What auroreon says is true, i didn't take that into account. MK is admittedly a fun character to play as, even i play as him. I don't have as much fun with MK as i do with other characters though, thus i do not main him or wish to pursue the MK game. Before SSBB was released i had wished for MK to be included as i am a longtime fan of Kirby games.

The point i'm trying to get across, and what irritates me the most, is that most people around these parts don't even know who MK actually is, nor do they care. Kirby is a relatively unknown and unpopular franchise here, yet coincidentally, everybody is loving MK and he just happens to be the at the top.

What Trio3 says is correct about LoZ being far more popular than Kirby, yet no one uses LoZ chars. If Link was at the top, over half the MK mains would not be using MK.
I cannot wait for the next SSB ya know, if MK isn't the top of that game, watch everybody jump ship. Actually, i don't need a new SSB right now, my point has already been proven time and again; remember Fox, Falcon, Sheik and such back in Melee? These guys were awesome, but hold on, what's this, looks like they're not as high on the list as they were back then, guess the moral thing to do is to just abandon them as they are no longer worth playing.

 

[Calzorz]

i mained fox for 7 months and won tournys and didnt complain about mks or any other top tier chars and thats when brawl first came out then i switched to snake and havent gone back as i enjoy him more

any low tier is capeable of beating top players who use top tiers its really not that hard if u find a playstyle that works etc chars are mainly lower tier due to there recovary where as on stage they go prety even if you use ur low tier main to a good standard obv higher tiers are a bit better but theres not much of a gap once u learn to fight them

 

[Anaky]

Were not saying its not possible to become as good with a low tier, but its alot harder put it that way, lower tiers have to perform better than a higher tiers. So what ppl tend to do is jsut choose a S rank tier character and they dont have to perform as good.

Also would these be the top 4 players for US, NW and LONDON.
EM - Calzorz, Trio3, Willz, Yeniths.
NW - Aiko, Blinky, Oniboy, Smudge.
LON - Edwin, Kira, Mako, Fuzzy.

Just Curious lolol.

 

[The_Rake]

What Trio3 says is correct about LoZ being far more popular than Kirby, yet no one uses LoZ chars. If Link was at the top, over half the MK mains would not be using MK.
I cannot wait for the next SSB ya know, if MK isn't the top of that game, watch everybody jump ship. Actually, i don't need a new SSB right now, my point has already been proven time and again; remember Fox, Falcon, Sheik and such back in Melee? These guys were awesome, but hold on, what's this, looks like they're not as high on the list as they were back then, guess the moral thing to do is to just abandon them as they are no longer worth playing.

That is so right what you say about people abandoning melee characters. I never really paid attention to the tiers (only found out what they were a few months ago) so i just chose the characters i liked,, Mewtwo, Ganon and Roy.
When it came to brawl though with no roy and mewtwo i had to find new characters. I was going to stay as Ganon too but with various changes to him he felt completely different and I didn't enjoy playing as him so much.
For some people they will abandon characters based on their tier rankings, for others though it will/may happen because of changes to the character themselves.

 

[Jolteon]

I don't blame fox or falcon players for jumping ship, they're so boring to play now compared to their melee counterparts. sheik I'm not sure about.

 

[Anaky]

What Tc, Fox Is Awsome To Play As, And Willz Thinks Falcon Is Fun To Play As.

 

[Ixisnaugus]

I don't blame fox or falcon players for jumping ship, they're so boring to play now compared to their melee counterparts. sheik I'm not sure about.

I disagree. Don't be so morbid. Their styles may have changed a bit, but if you liked the character i can't see why they'd suddenly be not fun to play as for you anymore. Unless of course, you didn't actually like the character, just their tier position.

Not all change is bad, Smash Bros. would be a pretty stale game if if every character stayed exactly the same in every iteration.

 

[Willz]

I play Falcon to show that he isn't bottom. Because he isn't, and he's **** fun to play.
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF TC.

 

[Blinky]

In answer to trio3s question, the top 4 of each region would be the same. You could argue they they wouldn't perform as well, which in theory is true, but the top 4 in each region is significantly higher than the rest of their region.
Also, if somebody used a high tier, won, but then lost using a low tier, would you say the other person won the second match because they were using a high tier? consider that.

Also, TC has it correct. In these kind of games, most players don't choose a character based on their "fanboyism". If I had, I would use too many characters. The point is, people play what they enjoy the PLAYSTYLE of. Most high ranking low tier users understand this, and so do not complain about the other persons choice of character.
Anyone saying people should remain loyal to their character from melee to brawl need to learn alot about melee. The reason most people in the UK didn't make the switch between melee and brawl is because the games are that significantly different. You can not blame somebody for not enjoying playing a character in brawl after playing them in melee. They enjoy them in melee, so when they get to brawl, it's completely different and quite often not as enjoyable.

Anyone who complains about the use of characters in relation to tiers still has alot to learn.

 

[Anaky]

LMFAO, ppl dont play metaknight cuz hes fun to use, i admit hes fun to use, but ppl just use him in tournies to WIN obv. All the chars are fun to use for me, i suck with a majority of em but they are all fun, and this fitting in with your playstyle shiz is a load of bull ****.

If MK is fun to use, use him, but when it comes to a tourney match and some1 is using a low tier, u use an even lower tier and see how u like to get ur arse kicked by odds that are very hard to win, for example, Tlink's cant hardly do **** against MK, and Bowser cant do **** against Falco or D3, as we have already witnessed.

 

[Willz]

Andy your a tard lol.

If Snake was top of the tier list you would be hating on Snake mainers. Stop moaning about MK and any other top tier for that matter. Like Cal said a Low/Mid tier can beat a High if the person using him is skilled enough. Go train moar.

 

[Anaky]

I just said its possible, just makes it harder for low/mid tiers to win, and i dont have a problem with high tiers, just MK cuz he takes no skill and they just use him to win, NOT FOR FUN!!! Thats just a john for scrubs.

And even cal said he uses Snake to win, his Fox was **** as well, but he knew he was at too many disadvantages with him, like me with Link to Tlink.

Edit: Willz ur a tard too u MK kid, Make that banner now.

 

[Ixisnaugus]

Also, if somebody used a high tier, won, but then lost using a low tier, would you say the other person won the second match because they were using a high tier? consider that.

I believe the results of the match is simply down to how both players played. If they played extremely well with the low tier character but still lost, i wouldn't think any less of them if they had won with a high tier character. I think we should be watching how people play more than who beat who. But i wont take this argument further as it's not a big part of the point i'm trying to make.

Also, TC has it correct.

What TC says varies from player to player. He's not necessarily wrong, but he's not flat out correct.

In these kind of games, most players don't choose a character based on their "fanboyism". If I had, I would use too many characters.

It's not overall loyalty i have so much of a problem with, if you liked the playstyle of a character in one game, but not so much in another, then that cant be helped.

The point is, people play what they enjoy the PLAYSTYLE of. Most low tier users understand this, and so do not complain about the other persons choice of character.

The bold area is what i have most of a problem with most people. Most of those who main MK do so not because the playstyle suits them or anything, but because it is considered the best. What they enjoy about the playstyle is the fact that it towers above all others, and of course winning is a good feeling. So they can get away with saying they "enjoy MK's playstyle" more than others, when really wanting to win plays more of a role in their decision to choose him.

Anyone saying people should remain loyal to their character from melee to brawl need to learn alot about melee.

For the most part, most returned characters feel similar to how they played before so sticking with them is something to be expected. But again, if you didn't happen to like the changes made then it can't be helped.

The reason most people in the UK didn't make the switch is because the games are that significantly different. You can not blame somebody for not enjoying playing a character in brawl after playing them in melee. They enjoy them in melee, so when they get to brawl, it's completely different and quite often not as enjoyable.

A lot of reasons play a role in why UK players "didn't make the switch". I'd list the ones i feel are the biggest reasons but this discussion would just steer off course and I'd come off as very insulting. I do agree though that the biggest reason would be how different both games are. Of course, they are more similar than some people may think.

Anyone who complains about the use of characters in relation to tiers still has alot to learn.

This could go either way. Many people do choose characters in direct relation to tier lists. Forgive me (and correct me if i'm wrong), but being a MK main yourself... i don't think you're at liberty to state something so black and white.

If Snake was top of the tier list you would be hating on Snake mainers. Stop moaning about MK and any other top tier for that matter. Like Cal said a Low/Mid tier can beat a High if the person using him is skilled enough. Go train moar.

NO! We are not attacking the character known as "Meta Knight" (Trio3 might be, but i'm not) , it's the players who have chosen to main MK as a result of his tier position that we have the biggest problem with. If any character was in MK's position i would be saying the same things, and i'd be saying them because people would be maining them and using the exact same "playstyle" excuses. Ganondorf is a slow, sturdy character, Meta Knight is a quick, not-so-sturdy character; however, if Ganondorf was at the top and MK was at the bottom, people would instead be using Ganondorf and still throwing around the same reasons they have for maining MK right now. The core of the problem is not with the character, it's people's attitude that i find outrageous.

Ugh, why am i even bothering to disect posts and explain. As much as i hate to admit it, we are not the japanese, we do not have the kind of integrity or respect that they do. Priority #1 over here is winning, how this is accomplished matters not to most UK gamers, nor does diversity or trying to accomplish other tasks at the same time.

EDIT: Willz, how goes the uploading?

 

[Calzorz]

the amount of metaknight mainers in england is geting stupid for the amount of smashers yes .. some use him because they like him (few but some do) others use him because they want to be at no disadvanategs and have the best char on there side so they will do better .. best thing about mk is he has the sexy spacing fast ariels and 60% combos + with the nado and v good recovary i dont think hes over powered at all but he is better than every other char in brawl .. but at end of day i dont see why people using low tiers r complaining about mk its ur choice to use a low tier i did it for 6-7 months and didnt complain just work on your matchup vs mk and ul find its not as broken as u think

+ when watching u can see the diffrence of level people use high tiers too .. u get people who use them and are not good then u get people where u can tell theres a big diffrence so even then high tiers have diffrence in skill same with every char

 

[Willz]

andy stop moaning lol

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cba to make the banner uploading videos make it yourself

 

[Anaky]

I like Calzorz's Response, but i have nothing against high tier users, just mk's. cuz some high tiers take skill, well most do, but like Ixis has jsut said to me, u pick him up and play, ur already pro lolol.

 

[Willz]

I like how Kira actually won a tournament in London with MK and no one cared about him using MK to win but when I use him and place 2nd people like you Andy get all annoyed about it and moan about his 'brokeness'. I would like to know what makes MK 'broken'?

Fair enough if I beat Cal with MK after 4 weeks of maining him, but I don't really see your points. This discussion is more of a rant on MK lol.

 

[Calzorz]

Fair enough if I beat Cal with MK after 4 weeks of maining him, but I don't really see your points.

try not to brag u won like 2 games am i not aloud to loosea game without someone making a big deal of it no wonder i sandbag alot drives me crazy... hes not complaining cos u won a game hes complaining about lagless ariels and nado etc and how he can gimp players so easy and is the best in brawl by quite a bit he has his own tier really but the chars in the 2nd tier are not THAT far behind

mk isnt the easyest to use i belive thats falco all u have to need to do is grab and shorthop and pres b while shorthoping... u get boost pivot grabs and a few more fancy stuf but nothing special i belive some mks have skill

 

[Anaky]

mk is the best in brawl by quite a bit

i belive some mks have skill

True dat

Like 5% though.

 

[Tamoo]

Ill be the first to admit that i didnt pick up metaknight cos of the kirby games. I find them tediously boring actually. Yes, i tried metaknight in a tournament match before without ever having used him cos he was apparantly a good character. It was the phase where brawl was for me without doubt the most boring game ever. Playing metaknight however changed my perspective of brawl. It was suddenly fun again. Being able to move as quickly as i could in melee just brought the fun back.

Why dont I play marth in brawl like I do in melee? The gameplay just changed too much for me. I loved being able to string combos on ppl which is totally different to the brawl equivalent. The reason people are choosing characters like mk over ganon is not because of the tier list, but its because they play better as mk than as ganon. If ganon was on the top and mk on the bottom, of course there will be more ppl playing ganon, cos that means that there is something about the character that makes him usable, as opposed to the current ganon who has nothing going for him when compared to the rest of the characters.

 

[Willz]

I wasn't bragging I was making a point read before you get angry. I don't recall Trio mentioning Nado & Lagless aerials all I see is him saying MK is broken and everyone plays him just to win which isn't justified at all in the UK. This discussion only came up because I went MK. You really think this would of came up otherwise?

And MK doesn't have his own Tier now he's in the same tier as Snake, Wario, Falco, Diddy and Dedede. If I also remember correctly Snake had his own tier as well in the last tier list yet NO ONE complained.

 

[Ixisnaugus]

Willz. Calz, everybody. Can everybody read this please? For the sake of everybody, i'm going to speak for Trio3 as well.

The problem is not Meta Knight! The problem is not high tier characters! The problem is not tier lists. The problem is THE PEOPLE. It's the people's undying desire to simply win that has all but destroyed our UK Smash community. It is the people who instead of playing a character they like, instead of playing a character with a fitting playstyle or even just the need to be unique and different or prove something, instead of simply trying, deliberately run off to who they see is at the top of the tier list then lie through their teeth about how and why this came to be. More people do this than we'd like to believe and this kind of thing is more rampant here than ever.

*sigh* with that finally out of the way. Willz, how's the uploading coming along?

 

[Willz]

Winners Final uploaded. I got to go out now. Low Tier tomorrow. =]

 

[Jolteon]

I disagree. Don't be so morbid. Their styles may have changed a bit, but if you liked the character i can't see why they'd suddenly be not fun to play as for you anymore. Unless of course, you didn't actually like the character, just their tier position.

Not all change is bad, Smash Bros. would be a pretty stale game if if every character stayed exactly the same in every iteration.

I don't think I'm really being morbid.

People like who they main for more reasons than "I like their game series", for people like myself it's a combination of their playstyle and other factors that does it, it just so hapens that the higher tiers tend to be deeper and have more options in one situation to do things (hence mistaking people for jumping ship to higher tiers). I play MK since I like his speed while still being able to keep safe via spacing, and pressuring the opponent. Obviously this would make him "lame" or top tier boring trash to some, but I see it as versatile, deep and interesting gameplay. I've had several mains ranging from Marth, Game&Watch, Falco, and none of them appeal to me as much as MK, though marth is quite close.

Also, Fox was so versatile in melee, he had many many different options to approach and tons of things to do in one situation, you can't say he's changed "a bit", now he has no solid aproach at all.

Falcon could combo and everyone loved his combos, everyone was entertained with his combos and it's a large part of Falcon's hype. Now he struggles to string 3 hits together.

Why do they have to change every game? Not all change is bad, true, but I think Fox/Falcon are an example of bad change. As long as their GAMEPLAY remains versatile it's much more important than the actual character changing since it's more interesting to actually play and watch.

 

[auroreon]

Chill guys... Fact is that people main high tiers like MK because they enjoy playing them the most, people often describe this as "fitting their playstyle", but personally I see that just as another way of saying they enjoy playing the character most.
Why do people enjoy playing high tiers more? Because they win more and its easier to do well and put up a fight in matches, winning is fun. Its as simple as that, they have the most fun with high tiers because its easier to compete, which is fun. THIS IS A COMPLETELY LOGICAL THING TO DO! Why are we playing this game? because its fun, we play it to have fun. So if people have most fun winning then thats fair enough.
The only real problem with people going for high tier characters is that the diversity in character choice at tournaments is small and so you often end up playing the same characters again and again, which is a real shame as the game has such a diverse roster.

IMO having a character "fit" your playstyle is BS. When I first started on Brawl I was completely adament I would main Yoshi, despite this he was the character that I found most difficult to play as. He has a very unique playstyle and I simply couldn't play him.
So I just forced myself to play as Yoshi, because I will not main another character... Now I cannot play anyone but Yoshi. My playstyle is completely built around my character and now I can't play anyone else very well.

Those of us who play a low tier character KNOW we will never win a major tourney and we know we can never be as successfull with our character, so why do we do it?
Why do you select the hardest difficulty setting on a video game? I will never settle for beating a game on anything other than the highest difficulty setting. Simply put, the sense of accomplishment and the enjoyment you get from winning is far greater when using a character who is at a disadvantage.
An MK main will never know what its like to beat a much better character on their counterpick stage (Don't worry yen, its just character shock because you haven't had much Bowser experience).

In unrelated news, I am going to win the next fest by 2 stocking Calzorz in the finals. GGs Calzorz, better luck next time.

 

[Anaky]

Nice responses guys. I cba anymore, MK is just a *** and ppl who say hes fun to use as a john are a John.

 

[Calzorz]

this is starting to turn into argueboards all over mk every1 has there own opinions EVERY1 KNOWS MK IS THE BEST AND MK MAINERS R GETING PROTECTIVE so end it

mk is fun to use your right tamoo iv used him like 16 hours in total of brawl mybe bit less and i can perform to a high standard with him when needed

too me stating that uv used mk for 4 weeks sounded like bragging and just because u took a game of me blah blah.. u know i had lack of sleep im not going to say it again yet people see that u beat me in 1 game wil make u look good w/e cba with it as iv pointed out iv used him 16 hours or less n can use him atleast the same as ur 4 weeks

the fact u stated snake has had his own tier was made when brawl first came out snake is v good char but the diffrence from some1 maining mk for 4 weeks and snake for 4 weeks is a huge diffrence mainly saying with mk u can become good easy which is the main reason mk is top on tiers as so many people use him and place high in tournys (in america ofc) how can u say mk isnt above all others willz everytime a good mk has been at an american tourny its like 80% of the time its won u cant say snake , falco and wario are close to mk as taking a set of a good mk player has happend like 3 times and u cannot judge by a set from each char when a good mk mainly tryant m2k dojo etc a few others i can name have not hardly lost to the best players of the other chacrters obviously u cant base it on just america but thats the tier list ur reading...

didnt read this post thru for mistakes etc apologies if there is xD it ends here for me

 

[Jolteon]

Nice responses guys. I cba anymore, MK is just a *** and ppl who say hes fun to use as a john are a John.

you know very well what a john actually is lol

 

[Anaky]

Lol i know TC, i john like crazy at Calz and Willz house, when it Me Calz George and Kmac, but its just for jokes lolol, calz was doing good vs my marth as tlink, he used arrow and boomerang a couple of times and i was saying he was spamming, although i spam like crazy loooooool

 

[Calzorz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy2vwZhovII i belive is the winner final for any1 who wanted to see willz posted grand finals so il post this 1 saves him doin it

 

[Brado]

Willz. Calz, everybody. Can everybody read this please? For the sake of everybody, i'm going to speak for Trio3 as well.

The problem is not Meta Knight! The problem is not high tier characters! The problem is not tier lists. The problem is THE PEOPLE. It's the people's undying desire to simply win that has all but destroyed our UK Smash community. It is the people who instead of playing a character they like, instead of playing a character with a fitting playstyle or even just the need to be unique and different or prove something, instead of simply trying, deliberately run off to who they see is at the top of the tier list then lie through their teeth about how and why this came to be. More people do this than we'd like to believe and this kind of thing is more rampant here than ever.

*sigh* with that finally out of the way. Willz, how's the uploading coming along?

This is entirely true, you ask someone why they main MK and they'll come out with something along the lines of "He fits my playstyle"., he fits anyones playstyle, so the majority of players are bs'ing.
I find it great how Ixis plays Bowser and Auro and Kmac play Yoshi, because they like them. This is why i play Pikachu and Olimar, they're good characters who i enjoy playing as. They're not as good as Metaknight, but the matchups arent so unbalanced it's impossible to win, like with the whole of S and A tier, if anyone took some time to learn them, they could easily hold up against MK.
UK scene is slowly gonna deteoriorate into nearly everyone playing MK/Snake, and about 1 in 10 people actually choosing someone they like.

EDIT: Yes i realise Snake takes skill, but theres no point denying his broken tilts and aerials.

 

[Willz]

Pikachu and Olimar are high tier BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Me & Calzorz will make Falcon top tier.

Calzum is a disgrace to Falcon.

 

[auroreon]

Calzum always seems to get the short end of the stick... nothing seems to go well for him and everyone is always so harsh to him. lol.

 

[K.Mac]

Chill guys... Fact is that people main high tiers like MK because they enjoy playing them the most, people often describe this as "fitting their playstyle", but personally I see that just as another way of saying they enjoy playing the character most.
Why do people enjoy playing high tiers more? Because they win more and its easier to do well and put up a fight in matches, winning is fun. Its as simple as that, they have the most fun with high tiers because its easier to compete, which is fun. THIS IS A COMPLETELY LOGICAL THING TO DO! Why are we playing this game? because its fun, we play it to have fun. So if people have most fun winning then thats fair enough.
The only real problem with people going for high tier characters is that the diversity in character choice at tournaments is small and so you often end up playing the same characters again and again, which is a real shame as the game has such a diverse roster.

IMO having a character "fit" your playstyle is BS. When I first started on Brawl I was completely adament I would main Yoshi, despite this he was the character that I found most difficult to play as. He has a very unique playstyle and I simply couldn't play him.
So I just forced myself to play as Yoshi, because I will not main another character... Now I cannot play anyone but Yoshi. My playstyle is completely built around my character and now I can't play anyone else very well.

Those of us who play a low tier character KNOW we will never win a major tourney and we know we can never be as successfull with our character, so why do we do it?
Why do you select the hardest difficulty setting on a video game? I will never settle for beating a game on anything other than the highest difficulty setting. Simply put, the sense of accomplishment and the enjoyment you get from winning is far greater when using a character who is at a disadvantage.
An MK main will never know what its like to beat a much better character on their counterpick stage (Don't worry yen, its just character shock because you haven't had much Bowser experience).

In unrelated news, I am going to win the next fest by 2 stocking Calzorz in the finals. GGs Calzorz, better luck next time.

That's entirely the case why I use Yoshi - because he fits my playstyle, and my playstyle has evolved to work with his capabilities.
:3

Fact: On Melee and Brawl I main Yoshi, but on Smash64 I mained Fox. lol.
I just couldn't use Fox on Melee... he was too fast for me to learn to use efficiently compared to smash64... imo Fox on Smash64 is more like Yoshi than Yoshi is on it. xD

And I will be a john and say I use MK because he's fun to use. I think that. Yoshi is a very fun character to use and imo so is MK; he has a lot of potential for combos and also you can be quite aggressive with him - everyone who knows me will know that I'm overly aggressive in character play.. which doesn't quite work so well with Yoshi, but with MK it doesn't put me at such a disadvantage.

That's all I'm gonna say on the matter of tiers, as I still think tiers are for queers. People should use who they like and who -they- are good with, not the "best character in the game". I think Ixis has proved that even low-tier characters have the potential with the right use to take on the highest-tiered characters.
I've also beat Willz' MK (although he claims it was because he johned lol.)

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Calzorz' sig made me LOL.

Btw - I can do that combo I did on Andy in Melee on Brawl+ - Ftilt, Ftilt, Ftilt, Ftilt, Utilt, USmash, Fsmash is a combo lol.
Epic.

 

[Willz]

I've also beat Willz' MK (although he claims it was because he johned lol.)

You didn't beat it lol.

 

[K.Mac]

You didn't beat it lol.

Yes I have, just not during the smashfest. ;]

 

[Willz]

I beat your MK with Ganon. =]

..... 3stock *COUGHCOUGHCOUGH*

 

[K.Mac]

I beat your MK with Ganon. =]

..... 3stock *COUGHCOUGHCOUGH*

Yes, that was embarrassing xD

Ganon is too pro online.

I beat it with Yoshi though ;]