Easiest + Fastest way of converting Brawl players?

[OOlowbatteryOO]

A place I know has a healthy group of active brawl players. I'm ranked at the top when it comes to wins with my falco, mario, and diddy kong so my opinion there is kinda valued. I would like to introduce melee to the fray without alienating any of the newer members. The thing is, the good players are outnumbered by the nubs. I'm planning on just popping in melee and forcing everyone to play, but little things like turning smash balls off have caused an uproar in the past. Anyone go through this? I need some advice on how to get the ball rolling.

 

[hungrybox]

just let them play brawl

that's the fastest way to convert them

 

[t3h Icy]

Don't force them to play. Melee elitists are the worst type of people to introduce Brawl players to the other Smash game(s).

I played Brawl with a couple guys for awhile, and I brought up if they were interested in playing some Melee (I play this way more than Brawl), and they agreed to try it out.

The thing is, while they were obviously one-sided match-ups, they weren't losing hopelessly since they knew a lot about how the game works (through Brawl), so they could DI, understand about shielding/dodging/attacking/grabbing, etc. What drew them in was how fast-paced the game was and how exciting some of the combos were (fortunately, I was on fire that day).

We still play Brawl, but they've grown a side-interest in Melee and have actually become really good once they got used to the physics, speed and playstyle.

tl;dr: Don't force people to play Melee, show them why they could be interested. I also don't think videos do justice with creating interest; I think showing them the awesomeness live is a lot more impacting, and once they execute their first amazing combo, they get hooked.

 

[/zeke/]

One word: HYPE.

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[Pengie]

I say we do what the Catholics did and create Melee Crusades. Melee players all go to MLG Dallas and raze the place and force them to convert to Melee; we might even plant some Gamecubes into the ground so they know what's up. If that doesn't work we could always try an Inquisition!

 

[BigWenz]

or u could do what i do when im forced to play brawl... play it as gay as humanly possible. For example i pissed off one of my friends by CGing with falco then footstool ftw. (they arent that good yet) or u just pick MK and plank for 8 minutes. Since theirs really nothing they can do about it they'll get pissed and will want to play melee lol.

 

[KirbyKaze]

why are we trying to convert people again?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Don't force them to play. Melee elitists are the worst type of people to introduce Brawl players to the other Smash game(s).

I played Brawl with a couple guys for awhile, and I brought up if they were interested in playing some Melee (I play this way more than Brawl), and they agreed to try it out.

The thing is, while they were obviously one-sided match-ups, they weren't losing hopelessly since they knew a lot about how the game works (through Brawl), so they could DI, understand about shielding/dodging/attacking/grabbing, etc. What drew them in was how fast-paced the game was and how exciting some of the combos were (fortunately, I was on fire that day).

We still play Brawl, but they've grown a side-interest in Melee and have actually become really good once they got used to the physics, speed and playstyle.

tl;dr: Don't force people to play Melee, show them why they could be interested. I also don't think videos do justice with creating interest; I think showing them the awesomeness live is a lot more impacting, and once they execute their first amazing combo, they get hooked.

Best post in this thread. Period.

 

[Pengie]

why are we trying to convert people again?

Because they pray to a different invisible man than we do play a different game.

 

[OOlowbatteryOO]

They pray to the same God. They just don't follow the right path.

 

[Zodiac]

just let them play brawl

that's the fastest way to convert them

Looooool, But if they never taste the good stuff they wont realize their eating crap.

 

[The Star King]

Thumbs up to the satire in Pengie's posts. This is comparable the people who try to convert others to their religion. Let people do what they want.

 

[Zodiac]

Thumbs up to the satire in Pengie's posts. This is comparable the people who try to convert others to their religion. Let people do what they want.

Lulz, its not even close to comparable, its not even on the same planet.

 

[The Star King]

Explain why?

 

[machinegungeek]

Lol, but if we're talking Midwest, we need to convert people. The region actually has a decent Brawl scene but no Melee scene. If people don't convert, the Melee players are going to either have to play Brawl or not play in tourneys. Our region is really kind of screwed....

 

[Melomaniacal]

why are we trying to convert people again?

Larger community = good.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Lol, but if we're talking Midwest, we need to convert people. The region actually has a decent Brawl scene but no Melee scene. If people don't convert, the Melee players are going to either have to play Brawl or not play in tourneys. Our region is really kind of screwed....

This is actually the exact opposite for WI.

Plenty of Melee but not many for Brawl, I usually have to travel OoS for tournaments.

 

[KirbyKaze]

People keep saying "let them taste the goodness that is Melee" but have any of you considered that maybe it's not fun for them to pick up a game with a very stupid learning curve and ridiculous mechanics? I mean, we might not have tripping, but CC and some of the nonsense that makes up this game's high level play can be excruciatingly unappealing for a lot of people. It is possible that they went to Brawl because you can get into it and there's less to learn. It's also possible they like the slower paced game. Maybe they just like Olimar and play it because he's in Brawl and not Melee.

The decision to play a game often boils down to taste, which is really, really subjective.

Melee takes a long time to learn, too. The prospect of spending a year learning the game and getting your tech skills down and learning how to apply them in matches so you can finally "taste the goodness that is Melee" can be a real turn off. A year is a long time. I suppose talent and other nonsense can help alleviate that, but it takes a while to get decent at all at this and a lot of people just don't have that drive.

With all that said, I don't think there's anything wrong with asking people if they want to play some Melee if you think they might be interested. But actively trying to recruit people from the Brawl community seems a little ridiculous to me.

 

[Melomaniacal]

Going around like religious zealots attempting to expand our empire by extracting specimen from other communities is viewed not only as incredibly invasive but irritating to those communities.

I pretty much stopped reading there because that is not at all what I am advocating.

Let me give you a real scenario that happened to me last Wednesday:
I went to a gaming club and brought my Wii and Melee. When I entered, I would say at least 20 or so of the 40 or so people there were playing Brawl. There was a free TV so I hooked up my Wii and Melee. I began to play, and 100% (I am absolutely not exaggerating) of the Brawl players who saw me playing had the same response. "That looks different," "where's Metaknight," etc.

Basically the point I'm getting at is that the vast majority of casual Brawl players are completely ignorant of Melee, it's play-style, and it's metagame. What I am saying is that if we can, we should introduce Brawl players to Melee, because many might like it more but will never find out because they will never see what Melee is really like.

I'm not saying to go to Brawl tournaments and force them to play Melee. I assume that most competitive Brawl players know what competitive Melee is like, and they have decided for themselves that it is not for them. Casual Brawl players are very often a different story, however.


Oh, you edited out the only spot I read. ****. Oh well, I think my post still applies.

 

[CloneHat]

@KK

Who cares if some people don't want to play Melee?

There's a good chance they've just been kept in the dark, and there's nothing wrong with advertising Melee.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@KK

Who cares if some people don't want to play Melee?

There's a good chance they've just been kept in the dark, and there's nothing wrong with advertising Melee.

I doubt this.

If people learn of Brawl and more about the smash community I'm pretty sure they will know the game is there.

They might not know the mechanics well and such but I doubt people are that ignorant of Melee or even smash 64.

Advertising is fine as long as people don't get elitist about it.

 

[Geist]

EDIT: .... edit powers activate

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Really there've been a few brawlers who've said you should play this game you're smart after I ran right past them and f-smashed them and mindraped some sheik and even nearly beat them : (. 1 stock is super close.

but Really be cool and ask people to play and junk. Also for brawl I love the the camping a lot but everything esle turns me off. mostly the movement and lack of any form of solid pressure but maybe falco has spoiled him.

 

[Geist]

lmao

Okay fine non-sarcastic post
If it's really that important to you, just show them melee. Brawl is some people's first smash game, which may be hard to believe (but that's just the truth). No matter what your stance is for the whole "let them play what they want", there's nothing wrong with introducing melee to people that haven't heard of it.
Also, the idea that someone is allowed to enjoy only one of the games is absurd, just because you introduce them to Melee doesn't mean they have to stop playing Brawl.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

To further prove that I just got back into Melee again and I'm not quitting Brawl anytime soon.

I love all the smash games, I just favor some over others.

 

[Life]

Just tell them MK is banned in Melee.

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To be serious, I think if you paint it as "cross-training" that might help. The two communities should not be mutually exclusive with each other.
/obvbrawlplayer

 

[The Star King]

Well, people might not believe that Smash communities shouldn't have to be mutually exclusive if it only comes from Brawl players. So here, let a non-Brawler say it:

Smash communities shouldn't have to be mutually exclusive.

O wait, I play Smash64.

 

[MuraRengan]

or u could do what i do when im forced to play brawl... play it as gay as humanly possible. For example i pissed off one of my friends by CGing with falco then footstool ftw. (they arent that good yet) or u just pick MK and plank for 8 minutes. Since theirs really nothing they can do about it they'll get pissed and will want to play melee lol.

Yes, this is what I do.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll Rising Pound somewhere you can't hit me or do the IC freeze glitch. :/

 

[Pengie]

I'll Rising Pound somewhere you can't hit me or do the IC freeze glitch. :/

Both of those are actually pretty hard to pull off.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Both of those are actually pretty hard to pull off.

Difficulty means nothing.

 

[Lovage]

i still don't understand why ppl play that game

it's slow and boring and everyone plays like a ****** and melees way funner

i don't get it

 

[1048576]

If you rising ponud below the stage, you die eventually. You can't do it frame perfect every time.

If you do it above the stage, most characters can still hit you. Jiggs has low jumps.

 

[Rubyiris]

i still don't understand why ppl play that game

it's slow and boring and everyone plays like a ****** and melees way funner

i don't get it

Opinion is purely subjective.

If you really want to know why people genuinely enjoy the game, I'd HIGHLY consider talking to Forward. He focuses mostly on Brawl now and has several very thought-out reasons why he prefers Brawl over Melee at the moment.

 

[Zodiac]

Look the bottom line is MOST people will like melee because its smash. They may not like the idea of having it shoved down there throats though. Just ask if they want to, its not like we are showing them the answer to life here. Its just a couple games and if they prefer brawl or even smash64 over melee than more power to them. Some people like just one, some like all three and some like two of them. But most people will like both melee and brawl. Even someone like me who enjoys melee worlds more than brawl.

 

[Esper]

Don't force them to play. Melee elitists are the worst type of people to introduce Brawl players to the other Smash game(s).

I played Brawl with a couple guys for awhile, and I brought up if they were interested in playing some Melee (I play this way more than Brawl), and they agreed to try it out.

The thing is, while they were obviously one-sided match-ups, they weren't losing hopelessly since they knew a lot about how the game works (through Brawl), so they could DI, understand about shielding/dodging/attacking/grabbing, etc. What drew them in was how fast-paced the game was and how exciting some of the combos were (fortunately, I was on fire that day).

We still play Brawl, but they've grown a side-interest in Melee and have actually become really good once they got used to the physics, speed and playstyle.

tl;dr: Don't force people to play Melee, show them why they could be interested. I also don't think videos do justice with creating interest; I think showing them the awesomeness live is a lot more impacting, and once they execute their first amazing combo, they get hooked.

This is so true!

I know quite a few players who'd tried out melee and about half a year later they played either both games on a high level or even quit brawl altogether.

Don't force them to play Melee. Just ask them if they want to try it out and if they agree show them cool stuff. Sometimes you just need to combo the **** out of them and they will ask themselves "omg how did this even happen?!? that's amazing! I want to do stuff like that myself!"
Just don't play super safe, it should be as much fun as possible.

Videos with hype-commentary are fine, but they won't realize what's going on until they get to play melee-players themselves...

 

[Savon]

I played a bit of melee. I played a bit of brawl. Brawl is more fun in my opinion, so I play brawl over melee. Simply as that. We ARE playing these games for fun right?

 

[satowolf]

So...coming from a Brawl player....

I just bought Melee since I haven't played it in awhile and back in the day I couldn't afford it so I was stuck with Smash 64 and casual melee friendlies at friend's houses. So a few years later after getting Brawl you can say it's the first smash game that I play competitively.

I go back and forth between all games and so far i'm enjoying Melee since it's fast pace and the music is better. But since I came in late in the game I don't have time to re-learn/learn everything although all the information is right in front of me. I do know the basics and I know some great techniques didn't make it into brawl so I screw up forgetting that it's a totally different game.

I love all the Smash games though.
-Smash 64 because of less characters and it's simple.
-Melee because it's memorable, face pace and you can combo better.
-Brawl because I find it great as a casual game and it's easier to pick up techniques. Also for the wifi even though it's crap but it's better than nothing since you can connect with friends online.

Tl;Dr: Personally, I prefer Smash 64. But that's just me.

 

[Ace55]

Lovage makes some good points...

No but really, a lot of brawlers don't know much if anything about melee so introducing them to it is always a good idea. Unfortunately that doesn't mean they'll switch though.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If you rising ponud below the stage, you die eventually. You can't do it frame perfect every time.

If you do it above the stage, most characters can still hit you. Jiggs has low jumps.

No, but I can surely waste 4-5 minutes of your time for me to screw up before I do it again.

Being a jerk to make people hate either game works both ways was my point, it doesn't do anyone any good nor does it actually get people into understanding what the game actually is instead of the exaggerated ones people come up with.

Let people play what they want, introduce the games to them fairly and let them decide what they want to play.

Don't be a **** just to get people to hate a game, pretty childish to do so.