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Here's a picture! (couldn't find a Cordelia icon)
Thank you for making the pic of my main roster.Here's a picture! (couldn't find a Cordelia icon)
I can never understand why people feel the need to cut any third party character that isn't a cartoony mascot, but to each their own.
Ike and Ryu getting cut is sad. :/
Well, when it comes to the Fire Emblem characters, I wanted to captured a variety of different fight styles. Marth and Robin were fine for me to keep in, Hector comes to battles with his axe, and Anna can bring a variety of weapons to the fight. In the case of Cordelia, she can bring in a focus on using her lance in battle.
Oh, I get wanting a lance user. I was just wondering why Cordelia specifically, is all. All the other ones you added were either some of the main characters of their own games (Marth for Shadow Dragon and New Mystery of the Emblem, Hector for Blazing Blade, Robin for Awakening) or a character who had appeared in all but two games (Anna). Cordelia just seems random in comparison, so I was wondering why her specifically.
Honestly, I confess that I am not as familiar with the Fire Emblem franchise. Cordelia just happened to be a character I came across in my research and I just happened to pick her. I'm sorry if that's a bit of a basic reason.Oh, I get wanting a lance user. I was just wondering why Cordelia specifically, is all. All the other ones you added were either some of the main characters of their own games (Marth for Shadow Dragon and New Mystery of the Emblem, Hector for Blazing Blade, Robin for Awakening) or a character who had appeared in all but two games (Anna). Cordelia just seems random in comparison, so I was wondering why her specifically.
I'm not knocking her or anything. Cordelia's great, and one of my favorites in Awakening. It's just when compared to other potential lancers, she seems less important. Ephraim is a main lord who uses a lance, others like Chrom or a reworked Lucina get one after promotion, and Azura and Caeda are other major characters that use lances. Ephraim and Caeda even have signature named lances with Siegmund and the Wing Spear, respectively.
I rambled a bit, but I was just curious as to why Cordelia over all other lancers, haha.
Nah, it's all good. Like I said, I like Cordelia, so it's fine by me. I just wondered if there was a bigger meaning behind her addition.
I don't think Greninja will be cut. He was the most popular Pokemon in the world when the X/Y season was happening, I think he's solidified his place as a core Pokemon character.This is my Dream Roster, in spite of how uneven some series are and how unlikely many characters are.
Blue characters are playable from the start.
Red characters are unlocked.
Yellow characters are DLC.
Green characters are alternate costumes.
If I were less OCD and more willing to feature additional characters regardless of how it affects the CSS arrangement, I would throw Masked Man, Quote, Starfy and Dillon in there as well.
Base Game: 80 characters
Base Game w/ DLC: 95 characters
Newcomers: 23 characters
Newcomers w/ DLC: 34 characters
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Meanwhile, in terms of my Perceived Realistic Roster, I have the following:
Blue characters are characters I believe are practically guaranteed.
Green characters are veterans I can see a possibly cut from the game for one reason or another, but definitely not for certain. It entirely depends on how the development cycle for a hypothetical Smash 5 turns out. If they don't return in the base game, they will likely appear as DLC.
Yellow characters are characters that weren't in SSB4 that I believe would be safe predictions. Far from shoo-ins, but not by any means a stretch of the imagination. A further lower end to this spectrum would include an Animal Crossing character, Takamaru, Isaac, and Banjo & Kazooie.
Red characters are who I believe will very likely be cut due to their respective series having made them fall out of relevance by that point. In a better case scenario, these characters will be considered bottom priority in development, being the decision between clones making a return or one of them being added last. They are more likely than not DLC if they even return to begin with.
Guaranteed Minimum: 47 characters
Maximum Presented: 67 characters
Predicted Total: 65~72 characters
Clones I get. DLC characters I get. Jr. I can even understand as he was lower priority.
I can understand Corrin even though I think he'd be higher priority for a number of reasons but I really don't think Greninja would be cut any time soon.
What about Pichu?
Unpopularity most likely.
I feel like Pichu was kinda on Doc's level popularity before he came back for Smash 4, but I see your point.
Nah. Doc was a lot more popular (Young Link too).
Explains why you're cutting Ike for Cordelia of all people.
Realistically, yeah. There are probably better choices I could have made for a lance fighter instead of Cordelia.Explains why you're cutting Ike for Cordelia of all people.
Ike is basically the most important character after Marth. So he ain't going anywhere.
At the end of the day, Robin is only part of one game in a huge series. I have zero doubts that Robin would be the first FE character included after Marth and Ike, but I don't think it's altogether impossible that he would be cut down the line if a newer Fire Emblem with another avatar appears right around Smash's development early on. Again, Fire Emblem is very flavor of the month and it's why I don't view Robin as an automatic lock. Given, Awakening seems to get a lot of special treatment as seen in TMS#FE, Heroes, and Fire Emblem Warriors, so I don't think Robin will be cut. I just think he'll be a lower priority next time is all. There's a reason I have him as green and not red, after all.
I really love Resetti as a character in Animal Crossing and got upset when they made him only optional in New Leaf. I think having a fighter that goes into battle in a constant fit of rage would be very fun. Gameplay-wise, a lot of the support I've seen for Muddy Mole could easily be applied to Mr. Resetti himself in terms of being an underground-mobile character capable of setting up pitfalls. Between the fun mechanics and Animal Crossing easily deserving more characters than it has, Mr. Resetti would be my favorite possible addition from that series and a character I would easily support if I didn't have to worry about the actual likelihood to begin with.
My own response was simply in justifying why I have my characters marked red, yellow and green in one of my rosters. My goal was to defend the layout of my rosters as they stood, nothing more or less. I believe that puts it under fair grounds for being acceptable to post in this thread. Either way, I think we're all done with that discussion.
Maybe not all characters are for Glory... maybe Pichu is for Fun.
To avoid getting off topic again, I'll just leave it at ''Muddy is infinitely better than some reset-hater who isn't anywhere near close to Tom Nook or Isabelle in terms of potential''. To each their own, though..
I want em' all, but i'm afraid none of the three have any reason to come back with well over 800 pokemon to choose from.Maybe not all characters are for Glory... maybe Pichu is for Fun.
Sometimes I miss Pichu. But I'd rather have Squirtle and Ivysaur back first before Pichu.
If there's a SSB4 Switch, I would be ecstatic if it had Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Pichu... but I would be content with just Squirtle and Ivysaur.
A new update with a bunch of changes:Today I decided to reskin this roster with one particular condition: to fill the black space the current Smash Wii U roster has with all DLC characters, which lead to 13 new cases:
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- Sylux and Black Shadow are removed, as this roster has 2 cases less, and are honestly the 2 most unlikely 1st-party characters of the previous roster.
- The "FE rep" case is the iffiest one, as it matches to either:
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• Or a FE newcomer who comes from a new FE or an old one, like Lyn, and relegates
- "G7+ Pokémon" from my previous roster has become Decidueye.
- Elma is replaced by "Xenoblade rep", which likely leads to the Xenoblade 2 protagonist, presumably called Rex.
- The number of unlockable characters went from 20 to 18: Bowser Jr., Rosalina, Paper Mario, King K. Rool, Mr. Game & Watch, Duck Hunt, R.O.B., Ganondorf, Toon Link, Lucas,Black Shadow, Roy,Lucina, Falco, Wolf, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Greninja, Chibi-Robo, Wii Fit Trainer.
), King K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Takamaru, a new Pokémon rep (either a Gen 7 or a Gen 8 Pokémon), Isaac, Inkling, a new Xenoblade rep (likely from Xenoblade 2), Spring Man, Ribbon Girl (both sharing mostly the same moveset) and Rayman (added due to his trophies and to the Mario + Rabbids game).
), King K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Takamaru, Dark Samus (as a semi-clone), Bandana Dee, Isaac, Black Shadow (as a semi-clone), a new Pokémon rep (either a Gen 7 or a Gen 8 Pokémon), Chibi-Robo, a new Xenoblade rep (likely from Xenoblade 2), Inkling, Spring Man, Ribbon Girl (both sharing mostly the same moveset), Bomberman (added mostly thanks to Bomberman R) and Rayman (added due to his trophies and to the Mario + Rabbids game).
Not gonna delve too far into this for fear of going off topic, but since it relates to rosters in general, I'll just say this.
+++Elma! Or whoever.A new update with a bunch of changes:
First, I decided to make 3 versions of my roster:
- An honest version, which corresponds to what the roster would look like if the next Smash game is a Smash 4 port.
- A standard version, which corresponds to either how my honest roster would look like with DLCs or what it would like if the next Smash is an all-new game.
- And a deluxe version, which corresponds to either how my standard roster would look like with DLCs or if the next Smash game is very generous in terms of content.
Here they are with reasons included for each one:
- ICs, Wolf and Snake are back.![]()
- 5 newcomers: Dixie Kong, Takamaru, a new Pokémon rep (either a Gen 7 or a Gen 8 Pokémon), Inkling and Rayman (added due to his trophies and to the Mario + Rabbids game).- ICs, Wolf and Snake are back.![]()
- 11 newcomers: Paper Mario (replacing- ICs, Wolf and Snake are back.![]()
- 16 newcomers: Paper Mario (replacing
All of these rosters would be a different story if they were wishful rosters.
My answer? It simply is. As I said, this is a Nintendo fighting game, not a Fire Emblem fighting game. Not withstanding the fact that such a niche franchise holds more roster spaces than Zelda, Fire Emblem characters on the whole are also far too similar gameplay-wise. If we added even more of them, it would doubtlessly be more of the same. Robin is the only one who truly stands out among the 6 FE characters in SSB4, so they need to be culled to reduce the homogeneity of the roster.
I never found FE number too much for Smash until Roy decided to pop into relevance again. I dont think the issue is with the games or the characters. Just that the themeatic/mood/vibes balance has been distorted too much into the FE humanoid medieval fighters path. Its a bit too likely to face them playing on random.
But once again, is what amounts to about a tenth of the roster really "hogging" it, especially when every addition has been major character in the franchise? It's not like they added someone like Vaike or Gordin or Raigh.
Yes... my answer is yes. You're not getting another answer out of me, they ARE hogging it. It's as simple as that. I wouldn't have a problem with it if they were Pokemon, since there is huge enough variety among pokemon for them to easily be able to pick standout characters, but instead nearly all the FE characters are homogenous and boring swordsmen.
Is it really though? I'm not continuing it for reasons basically everyone else said, but is a discussion of roster size really off topic in a roster thread?
In regards to individual rosters sure, but I'm more concerned of the usual happening when it comes to stuff like this. I just don't want the thread to get locked twice in the same week.
+ves:
Sounds fun! Here's how I'd do mine.Based on this Source Gaming article, assuming that Smash gets up to a hundred characters at some point, who would you want to see?
This would be my list; I'll put the explanations under a spoiler tag to save space.
No Cuts: with a hundred characters, there's no reason for it. I brought back every previously cut character, aside from Young Link (seeing as Toon Link's a replacement for him - they cover the exact same concept, with the only difference being appearance)
Limit of Two Characters per Third Party Company: as much as I wanted to include Eggman or Dante from Devil May Cry, I couldn't justify it to myself.
Mario characters: Toad seems to be the only core Mario character remaining, and Captain Toad gives him a more consistent identity and moveset to work with. (plus, it means Peach's moves won't have to change) I wanted to include an RPG character, and while I debated including Geno, Fawful is extremely popular, fully owned by Nintendo, and still left out of spin-offs for whatever reason.
Donkey Kong characters: Dixie and K. Rool are both clear choices for a future Donkey Kong character, and with 100 spots on the roster, there's no reason not to include both of them
Wario characters: while I could have gone with a Wario Ware microgame host, I felt like Captain Syrup would have more to work with. Plus, I find it odd that there are no pirates in the game, unless you stretch it to include Toon Link, and she's had at least four boss fights across the Wario Land games, which should be enough to work with.
Metroid characters: Ridley is long overdue, while Sylux was playable in Metroid Prime Hunters and is being set up to have a role in future Metroid Prime games
Zelda characters: even with a Majora's Mask themed moveset, I couldn't justify having half of the Zelda roster consist of Link variations. Midna and Skull Kid are both characters whose popularity has endured even if they only had a major role in a single game, and both could have very interesting movesets going by Majora's Mask/Twilight Princess and Hyrule Warriors.
Earthbound characters: I wanted a character who didn't use psychic powers, to guarantee that we'd get something unique. Between Masked Man and Porky, I felt like Porky worked better since he bridges Ness and Lucas's games.
Pokemon characters: bringing back Pichu might be controversial, but I figure if the rage mechanic becomes a mainstay, that would help him out a lot, though ideally his moves would be changed (to make him less of a clone, and to make it so he has more non-electric attacks). Squirtle and Ivysaur were completely unique; I get why they were cut in Smash 4 (they removed transformations and didn't want to risk putting too much emphasis on Pokemon in general or Gen. 1 in particular), but with a hundred characters, that isn't as big of a concern. Then there's Decidueye, who seems to be the new fan favourite.
Star Fox characters: bringing back Wolf is a no-brainer, and I added Krystal so that the franchise would have more options as far as unique movesets are concerned.
Kirby characters: Bandanna Dee is quickly becoming part of Kirby's core cast. Meanwhile, Dark Matter is the series' longest-running villain from what I recall (find it hard to consider Dedede a villain after Kirby's Dream Land), and the sword fighter mode seems best suited to a game like this (especially since it recently reappeared in Planet Robobot - the standard Dark Matter form would work as a final smash).
Kid Icarus characters: Medusa is the classic Kid Icarus villain, and she got shafted in Uprising. Besides, her boss fight in Uprising seems to have a lot of elements that could work in Smash, though it's been a while since I've played it so I'm not 100% certain.
Pikmin characters: Alph seems like he could easily become a semi-clone as opposed to an alternate costume
Animal Crossing characters: Isabelle's the breakout star of the AC franchise, making an appearance in Mario Kart of all games. Plus, her klutziness could result in her having a very different moveset from the Villager - think Phoenix Wright in MvC3.
Xenoblade characters: Fiora seems to be really popular, making an appearance in Project X Zone 2 over Shulk (though that could have been due to her similarities with KOS-MOS), and Elma's arguably the most important character in Xenoblade Chronicles X. (Cross, the player created character, seems like a blank slate, and most of the story seems to focus on Elma)
Retro characters: Star Tropics is well-known enough to make it onto the NES Classic - I get that the game never came out in Japan, so the dev team isn't as likely to have heard of Mike Jones, but in this day and age, that shouldn't be much of a factor. Sukapon is the main character of Joy Mech Fight, Nintendo's first fighting game, and it would be fitting to see him make a return in Smash. Takamaru was considered for Smash before, and Amazon's from the NES game Pro Wrestling so having it in Smash seems to work well. (of the wrestlers in that game, it looked the most distinctive)
Other Nintendo characters: the removal of Custom Robo and Golden Sun from Smash was just weird, especially since Isaac and Ray seem like they'd work really well as playable characters. I chose Isa over Saki because Isa's jetpack seems to give him more mobility options, while Saki's generally stuck on the ground. (plus he has a tag team mechanic with Kachi, which could work for some specials) The "Wars" games are a long running Nintendo franchise, with Andy seeming to be the face of it (at least in the West), and Eternal Darkness is a Nintendo-owned property that is very different from anything that Nintendo's done (at the very least, I'd love to see a stage that incorporates the game's sanity effects).
The Wonderful 101 seems like the sort of franchise that the developers would want to give a boost, and Inklings are obvious. Looking over the roster, I realized that I forgot to include Spring Man or Ribbon Girl, but I think I'll wait to see if ARMS is actually a success.
Third Party characters: I kept all of them, because there's no reason not to (assuming that every company cooperates). Bomberman and Ryu Hayabusa have a long history with Nintendo, dating back to the NES (and Koei-Tecmo has been very buddy-buddy with Nintendo lately, with Hyrule Warriors and Fire Emblem Warriors). Heihachi was considered for Smash 4, though there'd be no way that he'd make it in over Pac-Man, and he's quite different from the other characters in that he's the face of his franchise despite being the main villain.
I considered a Dragon Quest character or Crono from Chrono Trigger as a second Square-Enix character, but I wanted to have a wider variety of genres from Square-Enix beyond RPGs, and of those, Tomb Raider is easily the biggest non-RPG franchise that they have. I don't get why Rayman wasn't in Smash 4 to begin with (they clearly talked to Ubisoft to get permission to include his trophy), and Shovel Knight is a huge phenomenon. It even has activity books, which isn't exactly something you can say about 99% of indie games.
For Terry Bogard, SNK has been making a comeback and Terry's moves (much like Ryu's) seem to transfer seamlessly into Smash. As for Travis Touchdown, Suda 51 has been asking Sakurai to include him for years, and he's showing no signs of giving up. Plus, he'd just be a lot of fun.
Might as well do one myself. I'm too lazy to make an image, though.
Jesus, now this roster idea is gonna take some time.
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They left out fawful probably because he died at the end of MLBIS so alphadream want keep it like this.
