E3 - Brawl - Make it or Break it...

[Keige]

Well, a lot's NOT been going on recently and people are thinking... "Eh...What's happening at E3? Info or no info? Whats the dealio dammit?"

Well, I don't exactly know myself, but here's an insight on Nintendo's past that may give an idea...

People are wondering what's gonna happen at E3, are we gonna get some Brawl info or not? Anything really - new characters, new stages - items, anything...

Thing is Nintendo's known for holding back info for months just to add hype an continue the suspense, remember Twilight Princess? Delaynig it for over a year... Then finally releasing it for the Wii + Gamecube... Kept that one quiet for a long time.

Thing is, Nintendo like to hold things back an tease us, mean I wouldn't be surprised if they just showed us Yoshi an maybe Donkey Kong - two fighters who we can guarantee WILL appear in the game... It's just how it is, Nintendo like to play about with the public. So there is a extremely small chance we'll see new characters announced (Sonic, Crono, Michael Jackson)...

Sure Nintendo is known to give a huge surprise everytime once in a while for a game... But that surprise was Snake, an we might not see another surprise...

It'd be awesome to see a totally new character confirmed, but tha'd slow down the hype Brawl has, they'll be an uproar for a month, then it'd just die again....

Whatever we may see at E3, it may just be a small trailer of Yoshi pratting about chasing DK on a Donkey Kong stage...

Now, lets take this into a different perspective.

At E3, Nintendo WILL be up against Microsoft and Sony, so they will want to release something big to catch the attention of Journalists an etc, so the Game Magazines new headline will be "____ ANNOUNCED FOR BRAWL" and just leave Micro and Sony in the advert pages...

Just like last year's E3, Nintendo may decide to drop a huge bombshell, announce a few new characters including a 3rd party character (Crono hopefully, although most likely Sonic) - that will certainly turn heads accross the hall.

Furthermore, lets face it, it's been a year now, a yea and only 2 trailers. Both good yes, but it's time for a final trailer to seal the deal. To let Microsoft and Sony know that this so called "kiddy konsole" called the "wii" is here and it's here to compete an rattle Micro+Sony down to the ground.

Look at what Micro's done, to continue the hype of Halo3, they're releasing the Multiplayer in May... That's certainly gonna sell a few thousand more 360's (Just a side note here. I got fed up waiting for Brawl info, my friend gave me his 360 for a week, I turned on Halo2, loved it - and 3 weeks later, here I am, with my 360. I'm not saying Nintendo has lost a gamer, I'm still gonna get the Wii, just not during the summer... I will literally buy it a week before Brawl is out. Till then, my 360 will do me fine)


Back on topic now, Nintendo will not want to lose gamers to the other two companies, so may very well decide to kill the competition by announcing something huge at E3.

Let's face it, with Halo 3 already having a release date and BETA out soon Nintendo are gonna have to do something. (I'm not even gonna comment on Sony, because I did pre-order my PS3, but with the pathetic line up they gave, I asked for my deposit back).

Anyways, thats a view from both sides.

The Sneaky Suspense Nintendo - and the All out Killer Nintendo.

What's going to happen at E3? Don't know, and frankly I think Nintendo may be making a big mistake if they don't release some solid info, as Halo 3's hype is just beginning...

This post contains the word "Crono" more than one time. It's automatically awesome. I really hope Crono is in it because he and Pit are the only people I wanted and I already got one of them.
Please Nintendo! Give me some news!

 

[killbeast301]

FYI, Wii is 1.5 times more powerful than the Xbox 1.

More than enough horsepower.

Wii is 1.5 times as powerful as Gamecube. But again, it's not about disk space, it's about time.

 

[Sensai]

^^^

No, it's two GC's duct-taped together. Get it straight.

And I'm pretty sure it's only slightly more powerful (graphically, which means little) then the original 'box.

40 characters minimum is probably a little high...I wouldn't say it's a max, but to expect significantly more then that is definitely going to get you down.

And the whole '1 character per x amount of weeks before the game releases' is not official. It's something someone in the Brawl boards said that they would do if they were Sakurai, 'cause everyone (for some reason) thinks that he wants to show all the characters before the game comes out.

 

[GreenMamba]

He did say that he plans on revealing them all like he did for Melee.

 

[Zelda_Fan_]

Nice thread. Don't forget, though, that Microsoft and Sony will want to do something to get hype, too, although I think Sony is as good as gone unless they do something quick like make a ton of stellar games and drop the price on everything. When is E3, anyway? It seems like the last one was just recently to me.

 

[Toologist]

E3 will be on July 11th-13th. IMO, it's not really far away, because for me, time passes by QUICKLY.

 

[h1roshi]

well i was right about E3 always being in May. im surprised its gonna be in july this time around. i wonder why the change. and as far as the max characters, i really dont believe we need to have a max. as long as all the characters are different (read: no clones) and well-developed then i dont mind, but i will say that i most i could possibly imagine nintendo putting in is 45, and hats pushing it...peace

-hiroshi

 

[Keige]

I think it's a lot later in the year now. Instead of next month like it used to be.
EDIT: Sorry, I forgot to read the last page. They already said it's in July.

 

[Kazuya]

Keige, I totally agree with you, Crono should be in Brawl. If Nintendo are stupid enough to forget him then I WILLbe severely disappointed.

Crono, well Square-Enix has produced such a good game that not even Mario can beat it, and if I'm being honest, SONIC never will.

CRONO FOR BRAWL!!

 

[-Wolfy-]

I mean, my guess characterwise, would be right around 32, give or take 4. You've got to remember that there's to be alot of shuffling of characters, some may make it, some may not return, and that would leave alot of characters to supplement the ones that will not return.i think 32 is realistic, I'm hoping for mid 30 to 40 though.

 

[Icetrash]

Wow I cant wait. Hopefully they confirm K.Rool for Brawl cause then I can stop having nightmares of me playing DK for another 6 years(or whenever next SSB comes out).

 

[Chidosengan]

There's something everyone seem to forget here......

THERE IS NO MORE E3!!!
*dum dum duuuuummmmm*

It's called E for All now (I know, ***). It won't be as big as E3 was and it won't be in May anymore but sometime during the summer. Just wanted to get that out.

EDIT: oops i guess E3's still there. E for All is somthing else... or so they say......

 

[Sensai]

E for All is something else. E3 has been changed to 'E3 Expo.'

Not many people in this room seem to have noticed it's changed. That's why the date's later in the year. It's also a much more closed session; press will be allowed in (some of it), but random people can't go in anymore.

 

[Sculelos]

E for All is something else. E3 has been changed to 'E3 Expo.'

Not many people in this room seem to have noticed it's changed. That's why the date's later in the year. It's also a much more closed session; press will be allowed in (some of it), but random people can't go in anymore.

Yea, it really is a bummer that we will have to wait for July for all the gaming goodness though, I guess it's probably for the better though, I would like for them to reveal another newcomer and at least 3 more returning chars, I really would like to see the new incarnations of Bowser, Ganondorf and Mewtwo, since all 3 of those charactures are probably going to get major overhauls, as far as new chars I would be happy if Samuri Gorah, Wolf, Ridley, Diddy, Krystal, Sonic or Bomberman are in it, I'm not picky just hoping that all those chars get in, but I would probably be most excited about Bomberman as I have very low expectations that he will make it.

 

[Chepe]

Id say 40 characters is the most believable max actually. Take it like this: 26 characters, minus 3-5, add the 5 newcomers, then add 10-15 new characters that are likely already being developed. That makes 36-43 characters total. This is reasonable enough. Sakurai said that they struggled to make characters and that they got to 26 unintentionally with Melee, and he also said:

For argument's sake, no matter how much staff there is, with just manpower we can’t just put in everything, and as my own job [read: workload] does not decrease, there is a limit.

So dont be expecting 20 or more newcomers to join the fray. Its not about the Wii not having power or space, its the time to create characters, stages, items, different modes, online, movesets, balancing, physics tweaks, etc. Those expecting over 45 are setting themselves up for huge disappointment...

 

[GreenMamba]

I'd say even 40 is unrealistically large. Just look back on Melee... there were a total of eight completely new movesets and six clones added, fourteen newcomers total... and that game was made in about two and a half years. If Brawl comes out this year, it will have been in development anywhere from one and a half to roughly two years.

I mean, one could argue that they had to focus a lot of the development time in Melee to the substantially upgraded graphics and such, but Brawl has an online mode which is sure to eat up a lot of development time.

35 characters seems to be the most believable to me.

 

[I.B]

There are 26 characters in Melee. Let's say 6 of them(IC's, G&W, Doc, Pichu, Marth and Roy) won't make it to Brawl.

26 - 6 = 20

Plus Snake, Wario, Zamus, Pit and Metaknight.

20 + 5 = 25

Plus other Nintendo characters, which I would say, 10 of them at maximum.

25 + 10 = 35

Plus 1 or 2 more 3rd party characters.

35 + 2 = 37

So at max., I would say there will be 37 characters.

 

[AthrunZala]

There are 26 characters in Melee. Let's say 6 of them(IC's, G&W, Doc, Pichu, Marth and Roy) won't make it to Brawl.

26 - 6 = 20

Plus Snake, Wario, Zamus, Pit and Metaknight.

20 + 5 = 25

Plus other Nintendo characters, which I would say, 10 of them at maximum.

25 + 10 = 35

Plus 1 or 2 more 3rd party characters.

35 + 2 = 37

So at max., I would say there will be 37 characters.

if they take out marth i would be shocked. one of the most popular fire emblem charas ever and one of the most popular melee characters out there. i would also be surprised if the ice climbers are not in the next one as well. i would also think nintendo would keep g&w in as well. if they get rid of charas i think they will get rid of 4 characters. [pichu, roy (for ike though), young link, and doc.] so that would make it like this.

26 - 4 = 22

Plus Snake, Wario, Zamus, Pit and Metaknight.

22 + 5 = 27

Plus other Nintendo characters, which I would say, 10 of them at maximum.

27 + 10 = 37

Plus 1 or 2 more 3rd party characters.

37 + 2 = 39

So at max., I would say there will be 39 characters.

however you must remember they are putting in 3rd party people and a bunch of new nintendo people. if they have made a formula for how many people there will be who knows how big this game could get with how many characters. if they did what they did from ssb to ssbm we will be looking at around 50 charas. maybe more then one that can turn into a new chara (like zelda/shiek). i am not going to argue how many chars will be in the next one untill i see a picture like i did for melee. (the one that showed basically every chara lined up in a row. then when all charas were unlocked they re released it showing all of the charas in it.) but what we can expect is imo at least 3 3rd party charas, 5 new nintendo charas, and most of the people returning from melee (seeing how everyone returned from the original.) so we are looking at many more new characters to be released and to throw us some more charas at e3 wouldnt be that far out there. maybe show us a new chara but not a 3rd party is what they might do at e3. then at e for all show more charas including a new nintendo char and a new 3rd party chara as well.

so the question is will they show us some new stuff at e3.

new chara that was in melee - yes
new chara from nintendo - yes
new chara from 3rd party - no
new stage - yes
new gameplay footage - yes

thats my 2 cents. feel free to argue it.

 

[Fawriel]

young link

Unless you see WWLink as someone different, that won't happen.
The young Links are technically more important for the whole series anyway.

*argues*


PS: So now that it's called E3 Expo, should the new abbreviation be E4?

 

[AthrunZala]

Unless you see WWLink as someone different, that won't happen.
The young Links are technically more important for the whole series anyway.

*argues*

i would consider ww link as a new char then the one we have now. reason i said young link in the first place is because he is a clone. but i think with ww link would be a new chara.

 

[Kazuya]

if they take out marth i would be shocked. one of the most popular fire emblem charas ever and one of the most popular melee characters out there. i would also be surprised if the ice climbers are not in the next one as well. i would also think nintendo would keep g&w in as well. if they get rid of charas i think they will get rid of 4 characters. [pichu, roy (for ike though), young link, and doc.] so that would make it like this.

26 - 4 = 22

Plus Snake, Wario, Zamus, Pit and Metaknight.

22 + 5 = 27

Plus other Nintendo characters, which I would say, 10 of them at maximum.

27 + 10 = 37

Plus 1 or 2 more 3rd party characters.

37 + 2 = 39

So at max., I would say there will be 39 characters.

Thereya go thats 39 characters there, and lets not forget the "WTF" Character.

That should set it upto 40 atleast.

 

[Keige]

I agree. We probably won't get more than 15 characters a game.

 

[Stryks]

I c it this way:

The ones that I c cut are:
Roy: what just an advertisament
Pichu: lame pikachu clone
Y.link: lame link clone
Doc: could be an alt. costume for mario, but not his own character
Sheik: without having a ole in the last 2 zeldas, and with zelda most certainly having her TP look, seeing transform into her 100 year old alter ego wont happen...
Jiggly: She aint as popular as she was when the last 2 smash were released...

20 characters

+ pit, metaknight, zamus, wario, snake

25 characters

+ 15 newcomers

40 characters

+ 2 3rd partys

Total: 42 characterws in brawl


Thats my 2 cents

 

[Green Thunder]

Didn't they stop doing E3?

 

[CStrife187]

isn't E3 expo a little redundant? Electronic Entertainment Expo Expo? I think the world has forgotten what E3 stands for. Also, I think that estimates of 15 newcomers is quite high. I think that all of this speculation is just going to lead to dissapointment. Don't forget that Sakurai has already said that they are rebuilding every char from melee from the ground up.

 

[VA]

Y.link: lame link clone
Doc: could be an alt. costume for mario, but not his own character
=

I love the clones. Personally I hope they keep Y.Link, I would never dream of playing link over him. Doc could do with a small rework but personally I think clones are what make SSBM so great. The tiny character differences that change everything. I mean Y.Link and Link are barely different on paper yet provide such different, varied play styles.

However, clones like Ganondorf deserve their own move set. He does play entirely differently to C.Falcon and is ok how he is in SSBM. It would have been nice for him to have a much different entirely individual play style though where he actually has some attacks that he has used in previous Zelda games.

I guess this is taking things off on a tangent a bit. Sorry

 

[Zodiac]

no idea lmao lmao lmao lmao, I heard it was either may or July =|

Personally, I think Nintendo is going to reveal something big that will capture the headlines of the next month's newspapers.

Have faith in Nintendo, they always deliver right on time. Even if its a little late they'll deliver something that makes up for lost time, they always do.

 

[P.Vanity]

I heard that E3 is going to be July 11th - 13th, which means an even longer wait till new Brawl info! =[

 

[Caael]

Ah dammit!

Now i'm having serious doubts about Brawl this year. Hopefully they will make it to christmas, where it can dominate the market, like the Wii did in 2006. Hopefully all of the Ninty games that have been long awaited are either being built up to the summer, where everybody is on holiday and have more free time, or at christmas, where everybody buys gifts. Good marketing technique, but they must spread out the more important games as to avoid a shortage and people not having enough to buy them.

 

[VA]

I want Brawl news in CoroCoro, come on announce a new Character!

 

[Artistry]

Personally, I would like to see Smash Bros. pan out to have many characters like Mortal Kombat: Armageddon, with over 60 characters. Of course not for brawl -- but eventually. For brawl, I would like to see at least 40 characters.

 

[nuro]

Honestly, a lot of people think Halo is the best game since pong. Only 24 million people had an xbox. A lot of the gamers were ps2 owners last generation. People are still up and arms if they should get a 360 or not Halo 3 may or may not make them consider getting it.

Personally, I think Halo is a terrible game. Halo is a very team based game, if your team doesn't function good you will lose, because of this I have come to hate Halo. To me, shooters don't offer as much in depth experience and fast paced action as a game such as ssbb does.

Sony has sold more than 101 mln PS2 units, compared with 24 mln Microsoft Xbox units and 21 mln Nintendo GameCube units. In the US, the PlayStation 2 holds a 55% market share, according to NPD Group.

This means that there are a considerable number of people that will switch from playstation to either xbox360 or wii. http://nexgenwars.com/ tells us that the 360 has so far only sold 10million units out of the two+ years it has been out, the wii has sold 6 million(wii is the only console currently sold out) and ps3 sold merely 2.8 million units with plenty on the shelves.

Right now, people are uncertain about what console they should buy. A lot of people still have not bought any of the 3 consoles and are waiting to see which one has the best to offer. If Halo can attract the majority people who are outside of its current fan base then the 360 will indeed sell. However, I believe Halo does not offer anything vastly new or intriguing that will allow it to sell like pancakes.

On the other hand, the wii is something very innovative and fun something that gamers have never seen before. The wii may have killer ape games that are not just shooters. Ssbb is something that many people loved but never got to experience online. If people had the option to either make Halo or ssbb online I am sure many more people would want ssbb.


All of this is just my speculation on the wars, I'm not very smart, but I think that Nintendo has the majority of the gaming market in their hands.

 

[Pokemaster]

I hope they put WW Link because he would really have some smooth and fast moves due to it's light weight and appearance. Also Baby Bowser would be good.
I sure do hope they keep Falco.
BTW, E3 was cancelled and a new expo takes place at June or September, I don't remember well.


I'm not hoping for any 3rd Party except for Sonic(15% Chance just because all the fans want it and Sakurai too)because for Snake they actually begged when Melee was still in development.

 

[nuro]

I hope they put WW Link because he would really have some smooth and fast moves due to it's light weight and appearance. Also Baby Bowser would be good.
I sure do hope they keep Falco.
BTW, E3 was cancelled and a new expo takes place at June or September, I don't remember well.


I'm not hoping for any 3rd Party except for Sonic(15% Chance just because all the fans want it and Sakurai too)because for Snake they actually begged when Melee was still in development.

It is in July

 

[-Wolfy-]

I think 15 percent is a little south of decent. You have heard that Sonic and Mario will be starring in a game together right? I'd say that boosts Sonics chances alot. Shows that Sega and Nintendo are growing closer. And it wasn't the fans pulling for Snake in Melee, Hideo Kojima was actually pulling for Snake's berth in melee, but by the time he had suggested it, the game was much too far into developement to add him in.

 

[-Wolfy-]

isn't E3 expo a little redundant? Electronic Entertainment Expo Expo? I think the world has forgotten what E3 stands for. Also, I think that estimates of 15 newcomers is quite high. I think that all of this speculation is just going to lead to dissapointment. Don't forget that Sakurai has already said that they are rebuilding every char from melee from the ground up.

I know that Sakurai says this, but look at the trailer, not the world trailer but the one that originally displayed some of the new characters. They show Mario, Kirby, Link, and Pikachu basically as tehy looked in melee. They then have transformations, yet, Link and Mario are the only ones that looked any different. Despite being pretty simple characters, I think this can either say that some less popular characters aren't going to get as much attention as the big boys of smash, or that essentially the focus will be on newer characters appearance in newer games.

 

[CHUK]

Well E3 isn't until July 11-13, so I hope we get atleast a little news before then. Maybe the year aniversary of the first trailer?

 

[Sensai]

There was a list posted today about how Famitsu got a hand on some release list of Nintendo. Bad news fellas, Brawl's not on there. Nor is MP3. Galaxy, however, is.

No, it doesn't really guarentee anything, but...

 

[GreenMamba]

I've seen another report of the list that says Brawl is coming December.

 

[Sensai]

But from Famitsu?

Famitsu's usually an incredibly reliable source. If you show me another source that's equally respected (or even not as much so), I'd be willing to discredit it completely.